Luke as a starter?

[gary-7]

Here is a wild thought. Would it be a shock if Luke led the team in scoring?

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Well... I said this before, it is entirely possible that Luke could be second on the team. I'm not saying he will
(note: for those annoying few who like to argue with everything, don't come around here claiming I'm predicting this or that, or throw around meaningless past statistics ), but don't be surprised if he is.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

If not Bird, then who are our top 3 scorers next year?

JB, TP, .......?

(CJ, JF, KW?)

 

[pln2013]

If not Bird, then who are our top 3 scorers next year?

JB, TP, .......?

(CJ, JF, KW?)

Berry, Johnson, Maye.

I'm fairly confident in those. Felton is possible. Robinson is a darkhorse.

 

[Archer2]

Bird for 3

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still get choked up watching that.

 

[gary-7]

If not Bird, then who are our top 3 scorers next year?

JB, TP, .......?

(CJ, JF, KW?)

If not Luke, Johnson will be best positioned to be second, since he will play a lot of minutes in JJ's old role and as a Hybrid. You can pretty much count on JB leading.

 

[Steat]

I would like to see Cam, Berry and Bird average 14-18 points a game. I'm not a stat guy, but there has not been many teams that have won a title with the point guard as the leading scorer. I think it is critical that Berry let the game come to him and not that try to do too much. He will get his points. I will tell you this, if Bird lights it up for 20+ points in one of the early games I'm going to be one happy camper. I just hope one of our bigs separate from the other two and give us 20 solid minutes a night. Duke has 5 players at least 6'9" and taller...ouch!

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Only 2 of the pukies will play more than garbage minutes so why worry? If they were 2Gs, I might be worried!

 

[Steat]

Only 2 of the pukies will play more than garbage minutes so why worry? If they were 2Gs, I might be worried!

I hear ya, but I keep thinking of the year Duke won the title with Zoubek at center. All he did was tip the ball back and set screens. Bolden is huge and can probably be just as good as Zoubek. Then they have the 2 skilled bigs. They ae going to be tough inside.

 

[Archer2]

I hear ya, but I keep thinking of the year Duke won the title with Zoubek at center. All he did was tip the ball back and set screens. Bolden is huge and can probably be just as good as Zoubek. Then they have the 2 skilled bigs. They ae going to be tough inside.

Yes they are. If they get good PG play, they should be considered heavy title favorites. They are absolutely loaded.

 

[dadika13]

I'm not a stat guy, but there has not been many teams that have won a title with the point guard as the leading scorer.

Teams w/ PG as 1st or 2nd leading scorer (but has to be within 2ppg of leader)...Last 10 champs.

2015 - Duke
2014 - Uconn
2013 - Louisville
2011 - UConn
2010 - Duke
2008 - Kansas

60% = Not many? You guys are funny sometimes.

 

[gary-7]

Teams w/ PG as 1st or 2nd leading scorer (but has to be within 2ppg of leader)...Last 10 champs.

2015 - Duke
2014 - Uconn
2013 - Louisville
2011 - UConn
2010 - Duke
2008 - Kansas

60% = Not many? You guys are funny sometimes.

...and Phil Ford in '77 was leading us to a Natty before multiple injuries etc. derailed it.

As I said before, that is the best reference point for this seasons's team --- a dominant PG w/ a lotta talented, versatile perimeter guys w/ Center-by-committee.

 

[DSouthr]

If not Bird, then who are our top 3 scorers next year?

JB, TP, .......?

(CJ, JF, KW?)

Mt dark horse candidate is Brooks, yeah I know, but think about it. WE love to get the ball inside to our bigs for easier scores, a big with a mid range game can rack up some points for us, I believe Brooks may be able to provide that. And maybe Manley can if Brooks doesn't, I have not yet seen that in him but do see the potential for it, just depends on his fitness and being able to crank that motor up to a bit higher rev than I have so far seen.

FYI, I am not saying I expect this, I am saying they IMO could be dark horse candidates.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

It would be awesome if our third scorer was a Big! I could see Brooks or Manley, but Huff will most likely contribute the most on D and rebounding.

 

[Steat]

Teams w/ PG as 1st or 2nd leading scorer (but has to be within 2ppg of leader)...Last 10 champs.

2015 - Duke
2014 - Uconn
2013 - Louisville
2011 - UConn
2010 - Duke
2008 - Kansas

60% = Not many? You guys are funny sometimes.

You added a factor. I said the "point guard" as the leading scorer and not to include the second leader scorer, regardless of how close they are in scoring. Go back and do your home work correctly and report back. Only include the "point quard". of the team. Since I brought it up, I get to set the rules. When Paige switched over and played the 2 with Berry as the 1, that's an example that does not count. Berry was clearly the 1 and Paige the 2.

I figured you could not back up your stats so I did it for you. I went back 16 years and found the following:

There were 5 years out of 16 were the point guard led the team in scoring. That works out to 31%. Thus, my statement was correct.


2017—Justin Jackson--UNC

2016—Josh Hart--Louisville

2015—Okafor--Duke

2014—Napier--Connecticut

2013- Russ Smith--Louisville

2012- Anthony Davis--Kentucky

2011— Kemba Walker--Connecticut

2010—Jon Scheyer--Duke

2009—Hansbrough--UNC

2008- Brandon Rush--Kansas

2007- Taureen Green--Florida

2006--Jokem Noah--Florida

2005-Sean May--UNC

2004---Ben Gordon--Connecticut

2003-Carmelo Anthony--Syracuse

2002- Juan Dixon--Maryland

 

[chapelhillbill67]

It would be awesome if our third scorer was a Big! I could see Brooks or Manley, but Huff will most likely contribute the most on D and rebounding.

I got into this conversation late. The first post by DSouther really got to me but I see later that on cooler and mor logical heads have prevailed-especially Gary-and maybe my post is not even necessary. I was going to say that Luke reminds me of #44 Larry Miller who was a 2 guard and 4 inches shorter than Luke. I've been around a long time and the thing about Miller was he would not be stopped. His desire to win got him 2 time 1st team AA and 2 time ACC player of the year. Luke has the highest Bball IQ of anyone returning to the team IMHOP. He also has that desire to win that won't be denied. He has battled and won his chance to be a starter and I don't see anyone who should be considered ahead of him. I personally would be offended if anyone started ahead of him. He is a winner and time will prove that despite his apparent lack of athleticism and the fact that he may have to play out of position. There is no-one besides Theo and Joel who I would be more concerned about not taking the floor and the start of our games the up-coming season. Go Heels and go get'em Luke.

 

[gary-7]

I got into this conversation late. The first post by DSouther really got to me but I see later that on cooler and mor logical heads have prevailed-especially Gary-and maybe my post is not even necessary. I was going to say that Luke reminds me of #44 Larry Miller who was a 2 guard and 4 inches shorter than Luke. I've been around a long time and the thing about Miller was he would not be stopped. His desire to win got him 2 time 1st team AA and 2 time ACC player of the year. Luke has the highest Bball IQ of anyone returning to the team IMHOP. He also has that desire to win that won't be denied. He has battled and won his chance to be a starter and I don't see anyone who should be considered ahead of him. I personally would be offended if anyone started ahead of him. He is a winner and time will prove that despite his apparent lack of athleticism and the fact that he may have to play out of position. There is no-one besides Theo and Joel who I would be more concerned about not taking the floor and the start of our games the up-coming season. Go Heels and go get'em Luke.

Bill, I don't think you hafta worry. Luke will start and he should. He has the respect of his teammates and will be a go-to guy this season.

 

[tarheel0910]

I personally would be offended if anyone started ahead of him.

So if Roy doesn't start him are you going to let Roy know you are offended?

 

[chapelhillbill67]

So if Roy doesn't start him are you going to let Roy know you are offended?

I don't know the head coach that well-asI'm sure the majority of posters don't either. I trust his judjement in all matters concerning the theam he puts on the floor. At this point (prior to the start of the new season) I can't see any reason Luke wouldn't start and I'm sure that if he doesn't start then there will be an apparent reason why he is not a starter. I'm not too worried however, I'm sure Luke will start and most likely remain a starter through out the season. I was put off by the initial post that questioed whether or not Luke should staret. I think that point of contention has been covered sufficiently and the team that takes the floor will include Luke. If not we will certany understand why not in a matter or weeks.

 

[CanuckChuck]

You added a factor. I said the "point guard" as the leading scorer and not to include the second leader scorer, regardless of how close they are in scoring. Go back and do your home work correctly and report back. Only include the "point quard". of the team. Since I brought it up, I get to set the rules. When Paige switched over and played the 2 with Berry as the 1, that's an example that does not count. Berry was clearly the 1 and Paige the 2.

I figured you could not back up your stats so I did it for you. I went back 16 years and found the following:

There were 5 years out of 16 were the point guard led the team in scoring. That works out to 31%. Thus, my statement was correct.


2017—Justin Jackson--UNC

2016—Josh Hart--Louisville

2015—Okafor--Duke

2014—Napier--Connecticut

2013- Russ Smith--Louisville

2012- Anthony Davis--Kentucky

2011— Kemba Walker--Connecticut

2010—Jon Scheyer--Duke

2009—Hansbrough--UNC

2008- Brandon Rush--Kansas

2007- Taureen Green--Florida

2006--Jokem Noah--Florida

2005-Sean May--UNC

2004---Ben Gordon--Connecticut

2003-Carmelo Anthony--Syracuse

2002- Juan Dixon--Maryland

While technically correct it's a BS statement. Based on your list it applies to every position.

PG - 5
SG - 4
F - 2
C - 5


CC

 

[mikeirbyusa]

This crowd can argue about everything and nothing!

 

[CTTarHeels23]

It's funny I have read this post and everyone wants a true tough PF, which I would love as well!
But and its a big but, I think Luke's game reminds me a lot of Kyle Singler from Duke which can work well for this team this season!

Think about it Both are 6 foot 8 both can hit the Mid range shoot, both can shoot around 35-40% from 3, both are good foul shooters, and both are not great rebounders and not great defender.

Now I am not saying Kyle Singler from his Junior year. Yes that was the Year he helped lead that team to a title, but I am saying Kyle from his FR. and SO. years...... look at his numbers:

Year Team GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG BPG PPG
2007–08 Duke 34 34 28.6 .457 .340 .774 5.8 1.4 .7 13.3
2008–09 Duke 37 36 32.2 .441 .383 .713 7.7 2.4 1.0 16.5

So when you consider were going to play Golden State/That teams type offense at times this season, that is why I think Luke will be a starter and a solid starter at that avg: 13 - 15 points a game 6 - 8 rebounds a game, and playing a role like Kyle did for that team! This will be very different for a PF at UNC but the role will still help us win a lot of games this season.

I just think a lot of us fans were spoiled with the likes of Hansbrough, Zeller, Henson, McAdoo, Johnson, Hicks, Bradley, Micks at the 4 and 5 for so many years and I think we can't compare Luke game to them.

But if you compare Luke game and role this season to Singler's game and role for Duke in 08 and 09 you can see how Luke can help UNC win a lot of games.

I don't know just my 2 cents!

 

[TPFKAPFS]

No matter how well argued or how well supported with stats, I just can't stomach one of our beloved Family being compared to anyone attached to that cesspool 8 miles down the road!

Singler is a pukie, therefore he sux!

 

[imajericho]

Just wanna toss in that saying not many do with a PG leading in scoring while also saying it happened 33% of the time in the past whatever years is defeating your own argument.

With 5 position players, a PG would be expected to be the leading scorer 20% of the time just by a simple baseline average. 33% dictates that a PG leading in scoring is more indicative of a PG leading in scorer being more likely to have national championship success.

Granted the within 2 ppg thing was dumb also.

And my god how bad was college basketball that year for scheyer of all people to make that cut.