Mack Extended Thru 2027- What do you think?
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Optics. They've done this like every year mainly for recruiting purposes, IMO. He's not coaching another 4-5 years.
I don’t even like the optics of it. The schedule indicates to me that we will struggle mightily. If so, he 100% should be fired.
You can't have a coach on a short contract in college football. It hurts recruiting. Nothing has changed except the number next to the years.
True, and that is why you should not be hiring people like Brown - he's too old to keep on long term contract. Every year added means another year's pay out if he does not agree to step aside when finally they see he must go.
Everybody should notice that in his statement, Bubba names Sally as someone doing great things for the program.
Sally is beloved by both the Chapel Hill society people and UNC administrators and their wives. And also by UNC basketball boosters. None of them get red hot against football coaches who can go 7-6, even 6-7. They are all fine with football mediocrity. And they love Sally and really like Mack.
Sally is beloved by both the Chapel Hill society people and UNC administrators and their wives. And also by UNC basketball boosters. None of them get red hot against football coaches who can go 7-6, even 6-7. They are all fine with football mediocrity. And they love Sally and really like Mack.
Everything you just said applies to every coach in college football. Doesn't matter the age. If you want to recruit, you extend contracts. A couple of years isn't going to make or break a buyout.
Please show me one press release where an AD and/or school president doesn't mention the family when releasing this type of press release. This is standard issue cut and paste.
Yes. Those calling for him to be fired don't know what they are talking about. There are weaknesses to Mack, particularly in-game decisions and adjustments. There always have been, but there are positives which we cannot likely replace with another coach.
You think we can do better?
Let's see how things play out. Mack isn't a quick turn-around artist. Never has been but with some adjustments, better fundamentals and attitude, we can be a pretty decent team and program.
We have a really good QB. Need two things to maximize a QB's potential and that's defense and a run game. Struggle in those two areas and we'll underachieve. Does not matter who the coach is.
There are no longer any gangbuster recruiters on staff. Maybe Thig and/or Galloway. It's mostly about development now. If we can't develop and win games, the talent level will dissipate until we start over.
ESPN has up its list of Hot Seats and possible retirements. Mack is on the latter for the ACC.
If Mack had a jisotyr as a coach of building better fundamentals, the we'd all be able to take comfort in that. But his entire history is out recruiting opponents in order to win. His age also means he is going to be losing a bit of recruiting prowess each year.
Mack is not the answer now, and save for a short span up turn in recruiting, he was not the right answer when hired to replace Fedora.
Yes, UNC could do better, and could have done better at each hire for decades. I do think Crum was a good hire, but the grand mistake had been made in not naming Dooley as AD and HC. He could have handled both as his brother did at UGA, and Dooley with AD power could have made UNC football what Clemson very quickly became: true National Champ contenders.
Mack was not ready to be UNC HC the first time, which is why he took a 5-6 team, that easily coold have been 8-3, and turned it into back to back 1-10 teams - worst in UNC history. And that last Crum team's OOC slate was #1 Oklahoma, #6 Auburn, and Illinois. Unlike Mack, Crum played a real OOC schedule.
When the coach is in his 70s, you cannot afford a slow turn around.
If Mack had a jisotyr as a coach of building better fundamentals, the we'd all be able to take comfort in that. But his entire history is out recruiting opponents in order to win. His age also means he is going to be losing a bit of recruiting prowess each year.
Mack is not the answer now, and save for a short span up turn in recruiting, he was not the right answer when hired to replace Fedora.
Yes, UNC could do better, and could have done better at each hire for decades. I do think Crum was a good hire, but the grand mistake had been made in not naming Dooley as AD and HC. He could have handled both as his brother did at UGA, and Dooley with AD power could have made UNC football what Clemson very quickly became: true National Champ contenders.
Mack was not ready to be UNC HC the first time, which is why he took a 5-6 team, that easily coold have been 8-3, and turned it into back to back 1-10 teams - worst in UNC history. And that last Crum team's OOC slate was #1 Oklahoma, #6 Auburn, and Illinois. Unlike Mack, Crum played a real OOC schedule.
Mack is exactly what UNC needed after 5 wins in 2 seasons, low fan support and an all-time low rapport with NC high school coaches. He righted the ship fast with getting Sam, sold out crowds and a bowl birth in his first season. A swan song 2023 season led by a Heisman candidate is the perfect way to go out for Mack and to start the future with a new regime for 2024.
If he had been ushered out after the Orange Bowl, he would have been what was needed. The longer he stays, the more he leaves a mess.
The way that 2022 ended does not exactly shout that 2023 will be a desired swan song.
Not a lot of folks thought UNC would win 9 wins in 2022 coming off a poor 2021, no? UNC lost 3 of their last 4 games by a combined 8 points. Late stop here and a made kick there was the difference in being a 12-win team and becoming media darlings like 2021 again heading into 2023. We'll see if they can take advantage of a mediocre ACC outside of 2 teams.
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I would figure that the extension is for recruiting purposes, and little else. Outside of one good year, Mack has underachieved and UNC has been average at best. The extension aside, I think Mack has to be at least a top 15-20 team this year. If not, all of those big donors who were more than willing to walk down memory lane with Mack when he was hired, may suddenly decide that they really would rather win at a high level and push Bubba to make a change
Wouldn't say he's under achieved as UNC has always been, like you said, average at best. He's averaging right at 8 wins per year. Should he be getting more out of the highly touted kids that he's recruited? Absolutely. Both can be true. Hopefully he can ride off into the sunset with a 10-win season in 2023.
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