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Mack restored the talent and enthusiasm to UNC fball, now it is time to find a young buck to do something with all this talent.

The CEO approach has limits no matter how good the CEO is. I'm not saying we should fire Mack over performance, but he probably isn't bringing enough X & O's, he's gonna retire soon anyway, and he's gotta boot the offensive staff.

Lots of OL leaves this yr, maybe Sam, but just 4 D starters.
 
While we are replacing the offensive folks, it might be time for Batemans time in Chapel Hill to come to an end. Been reading for the last two years about the great recruits and all the depth on the defensive side of the ball, and then the get physically whipped by a GT team that lost to NIU.
 
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IMO we need another 2 years of Mack's recruiting. And the coach that comes after him will likely be the one that fully capitalizes on that talent, but you need to stack up the classes for more than 2-3 years to really build out an experienced 2 deep of top level talent.

But the next head coach needs to be GREAT, not good. It needs to be someone who can end up having a statue put outside of Kenan.
 
uncboy10 said:
IMO we need another 2 years of Mack's recruiting. And the coach that comes after him will likely be the one that fully capitalizes on that talent, but you need to stack up the classes for more than 2-3 years to really build out an experienced 2 deep of top level talent.

But the next head coach needs to be GREAT, not good. It needs to be someone who can end up having a statue put outside of Kenan.
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Get to work building that guy in your laboratory. lol
 
strummingram said:
Get to work building that guy in your laboratory. lol
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I feel like it’s got to be a Dean Smith type of thing. We’re not going to beat out the elite programs for hiring a proven top level coach. But if we find that unproven diamond in the rough, and Mack hands him a ridiculously talented roster, then maybe... just maybe.

Carolina needs to go all in on the NIL deals, especially for football. Bama built a dynasty by paying recruits. Dook basketball did the same thing. NIL can level the playing field. We need to be able to tell top level recruits that they will be getting $$$ before they even step on the field. Mack needs to go to every local business in the damn state and start working his magic.
 
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Most programs never find their Dean Smith. Much less a Roy Williams to follow him up.
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And, I don't see it happening at UNC in football. Mack is too old, his staff sucks and these players are wasting-away, if they're supposedly high-ranked, or good recruits. Every season we can expect at least 2 total ass-whippings, or losses that should never happen... EVERY SEASON. That's not including the games that they're never going to win (Notre Dame, for example).
 
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And, I don't see it happening at UNC in football. Mack is too old, his staff sucks and these players are wasting-away, if they're supposedly high-ranked, or good recruits. Every season we can expect at least 2 total ass-whippings, or losses that should never happen... EVERY SEASON. That's not including the games that they're never going to win (Notre Dame, for example).
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Mack probably was the guy. They should’ve never let him get away the first time.

If we continue to see these types of results over the next few years then I’ll agree that players are being wasted. For now I am willing to concede that a lot of that talent is young and inexperienced. Why they aren’t playing over the older guys who can get the job done? Hell if I know. I guess that’s wasteful enough in and of itself.

Some guys have been a bit of a let down too though. For the life of me I still can’t think of a single instance where I thought Tony Grimes was living up to the hype. Not saying he’s terrible or anything, but he was supposed to be the second coming of Dre Bly...
 
uncboy10 said:
Mack probably was the guy. They should’ve never let him get away the first time.

If we continue to see these types of results over the next few years then I’ll agree that players are being wasted. For now I am willing to concede that a lot of that talent is young and inexperienced. Why they aren’t playing over the older guys who can get the job done? Hell if I know. I guess that’s wasteful enough in and of itself.

Some guys have been a bit of a let down too though. For the life of me I still can’t think of a single instance where I thought Tony Grimes was living up to the hype. Not saying he’s terrible or anything, but he was supposed to be the second coming of Dre Bly...
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Well, they did let him get away before. His time has long-passed. He's not Mack Brown 1997, and college football is not like it was in 1997, or even 2006, by a long shot.
 
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While we ate replacing the offensive folks, it might be time for Batemans time in Chapel Hill to come to an end. Been reading for the last two years about the great recruits and all the depth on the defensive side of the ball, and then the get physically whipped by a GT team that lost to NIU.
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I agree. I like the idea of a 3-4, and seeing the confusion at SCar his first gm was a thing of beauty, but his results are just average at best. Can't stop running qbs at all.
 
uncboy10 said:
IMO we need another 2 years of Mack's recruiting. And the coach that comes after him will likely be the one that fully capitalizes on that talent, but you need to stack up the classes for more than 2-3 years to really build out an experienced 2 deep of top level talent.
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Can mack keep it up? This yr has potential to be bad w/l record, easily .500

I feel defenses need a stacked 2-deep of stud recruits (were close DL-wise and secondary), but Offense just needs a really good QB and really good coaching (development, x&o's, etc).
 
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Seems like these players have been reading about how great they are and feel like they don’t have to prove….just show up. Maybe it’s bad coaching or just teenagers being teenagers but someone needs to figure it out so what ya gonna do mack? Very frustrating!!
 
I'll be pleasantly surprised if UNC manages to beat any team on the schedule from here on out. I'm not expecting any wins, except for the Wofford game.
 
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Going to be interesting to see how much enthusiasm is left this week. If there isn't a large crowd for the duke game, then I would say the enthusiasm is on life support. Right now, I don't think it will be that good of a crowd.
 
tarheel0910 said:
Going to be interesting to see how much enthusiasm is left this week. If there isn't a large crowd for the duke game, then I would say the enthusiasm is on life support. Right now, I don't think it will be that good of a crowd.
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Which would indicate that Brown hasn't repaired much, except maybe recruiting.
 
strummingram said:
Which would indicate that Brown hasn't repaired much, except maybe recruiting.
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Recruiting, relationships and fundraising has been repaired. Those were our biggest problems. Although, if there isn't some indication of some improvement on the field, recruiting and fundraising could dry up again.
 
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Which would indicate that Brown hasn't repaired much, except maybe recruiting.
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Well, he repaired the program, no? The two years before him, 5 wins. Two full years into his second stint, 15 wins. All home games in 2019 were sell outs and all but a few this year are sold out while still dealing with COVID. All that in addition to the new facilities which will also help in recruiting. Dyami and Williams leaving early put them in a bind for this season in addition to Beau missing another season. Hopefully they start trusting the young talent on the roster on both sides of the ball.
 
NBBears20124ACHAMPS said:
Well, he repaired the program, no? The two years before him, 5 wins. Two full years into his second stint, 15 wins. All home games in 2019 were sell outs and all but a few this year are sold out while still dealing with COVID. All that in addition to the new facilities which will also help in recruiting. Dyami and Williams leaving early put them in a bind for this season in addition to Beau missing another season. Hopefully they start trusting the young talent on the roster on both sides of the ball.
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I'm not convinced that anything has been repaired. I don't know the intricacies of the process or program. I just know that the team on the field looks like garbage at least half of the time.

If the coaches don't trust the talent they've recruited, then I have even less trust in the coaches, and that trust is already on life support.
 
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tarheel0910 said:
Recruiting, relationships and fundraising has been repaired. Those were our biggest problems. Although, if there isn't some indication of some improvement on the field, recruiting and fundraising could dry up again.
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Exactly... Not really a good repairman.
 
strummingram said:
I'm not convinced that anything has been repaired. I don't know the intricacies of the process or program. I just know that the team on the field looks like garbage at least half of the time.

If the coaches don't trust the talent they've recruited, then I have even less trust in the coaches, and that trust is already on life support.
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@NBBears20124ACHAMPS , you can laugh all you want. I dunno just how good Ga Tech really is, but they beat the absolute crap out of UNC last night... in EVERY facet of the game. It was never close except when Sam scored the first TD. Be prepared for more L's this season, and more laughing and looking for excuses.
 
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@NBBears20124ACHAMPS , you can laugh all you want. I dunno just how good Ga Tech really is, but they beat the absolute crap out of UNC last night... in EVERY facet of the game. It was never close except when Sam scored the first TD. Be prepared for more L's this season, and more laughing and looking for excuses.
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I will, don't worry, bro! If you don't see the difference between bowl games, sell out crowds etc and 2-3 win seasons, not sure what to tell you. Looking for excuses? Or facts? Is the program better off now than before Mack? Absolutely. Does it have a higher ceiling than what has been been shown? Absolutely, both can be true. When the younger guys have been on the field, they've done well, that is also a fact. :)
 
NBBears20124ACHAMPS said:
Well, he repaired the program, no? The two years before him, 5 wins. Two full years into his second stint, 15 wins. All home games in 2019 were sell outs and all but a few this year are sold out while still dealing with COVID. All that in addition to the new facilities which will also help in recruiting. Dyami and Williams leaving early put them in a bind for this season in addition to Beau missing another season. Hopefully they start trusting the young talent on the roster on both sides of the ball.
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Sellouts are nice to brag about, but what really matters is attendance. I'd honestly be surprised if we hit 80% attendance this Saturday. That's horrible considering it's a rivalry game. The enthusiasm for this year is gone.
 
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NBBears20124ACHAMPS said:
I will, don't worry, bro! If you don't see the difference between bowl games, sell out crowds etc and 2-3 win seasons, not sure what to tell you. Looking for excuses? Or facts? Is the program better off now than before Mack? Absolutely. Does it have a higher ceiling than what has been been shown? Absolutely, both can be true. When the younger guys have been on the field, they've done well, that is also a fact. :)
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And, if you believe that people will show up to games, and good recruits want to come, to teams that lose like they lost in week 1 and last night, then you're delusional.

We've already determined that Fedora's last two seasons are abysmal. No one is saying otherwise. It wouldn't take much to get better than a 2/3 win season. After 3 years of "repair", they are still getting 30+ points scored on them and losing games that they cannot afford to lose. Losing important games, division games, high profile/televised games. Losing doesn't get fans enthused, and doesn't get the purse strings to open, and definitely doesn't get up-and-coming recruits to play for the team.
 
tarheel0910 said:
Sellouts are nice to brag about, but what really matters is attendance. I'd honestly be surprised if we hit 80% attendance this Saturday. That's horrible considering it's a rivalry game. The enthusiasm for this year is gone.
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Going to do my part and will be there. Rolling Stones on Thursday and the game on Saturday, not a bad week. Enthusiasm is for sure gone, now is a great time to play some of the younger guys and get some excitement back for the future of the program.
 
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And, if you believe that people will show up to games, and good recruits want to come, to teams that lose like they lost in week 1 and last night, then you're delusional.

We've already determined that Fedora's last two seasons are abysmal. No one is saying otherwise. It wouldn't take much to get better than a 2/3 win season. After 3 years of "repair", they are still getting 30+ points scored on them and losing games that they cannot afford to lose. Losing important games, division games, high profile/televised games. Losing doesn't get fans enthused, and doesn't get the purse strings to open, and definitely doesn't get up-and-coming recruits to play for the team.
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Like I just said seconds ago, no doubt that enthusiasm is gone for the rest of the year, which will effect attendance. However, I don't think we'll see a mass of kids decommitting because of it. Still plan on them getting another top player in Rice here in the next few weeks. Didn't say that losing games didn't have a effect on the program, merely pointed out that the program has seen a massive rebuild from where it was just a few years ago. Again, the ceiling is much higher than what is being shown.
 
NBBears20124ACHAMPS said:
Going to do my part and will be there. Rolling Stones on Thursday and the game on Saturday, not a bad week. Enthusiasm is for sure gone, now is a great time to play some of the younger guys and get some excitement back for the future of the program.
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If you're paying hundreds to see the 80 year old Rolling Stones, then you've lost all credibility, and you had very little. You sound like you'd show up to board the Titanic in a time machine.

If they'd play the younger guys, that might make a difference. But... they DON'T play them! That's another head-scratcher with this alleged repair plan.
 
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If you're paying hundreds to see the 80 year old Rolling Stones, then you've lost all credibility, and you had very little.

If they'd play the younger guys, that might make a difference. But... they DON'T play them! That's another head-scratcher with this alleged repair plan.
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LOL. Dude, I don't need to make a name for myself on a forum nor do I care what you think of me. Tickets are actually a gift for my birthday, but thanks for the concern. Love the Stones and I'll no doubt enjoy myself.

We'll see if they play them now that the goals are out the window.

Go Heels, and Stones!
 
NBBears20124ACHAMPS said:
LOL. Dude, I don't need to make a name for myself on a forum nor do I care what you think of me. Tickets are actually a gift for my birthday, but thanks for the concern. Love the Stones and I'll no doubt enjoy myself.

We'll see if they play them now that the goals are out the window.

Go Heels, and Stones!
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I love the Stones, too... the real Rolling Stones. Not this geriatric group of legacy-killers.
 
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If you're paying hundreds to see the 80 year old Rolling Stones, then you've lost all credibility, and you had very little. You sound like you'd show up to board the Titanic in a time machine.

If they'd play the younger guys, that might make a difference. But... they DON'T play them! That's another head-scratcher with this alleged repair plan.
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Yeah, I don't get not playing the young guys more. I get not playing them the first game, but after that, there is no reason they shouldn't be the main players. That's not a sign of good coaching.
 
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If we're losing then we're going to have more nooners and our crowd will absolutely fold too -- even more challenging to recruit players if you are losing AND your GameDay crowd is lame.

Even more the reason for Mack to move on knowing that Bubba can laud the facilities, recruiting that Mack repaired before he loses the latter.

Keep what little momo we have.
 
google mack brown coaching tree.

there is no “carolina guy” here or anywhere…for me, i’d like to keep mack for two more classes(his first full class are just sophomores), find an o-coordinator that isn’t hell bent on throwing deep every other play, and keep bateman through those two years.

think about where the program was under bunting, then under withers, then after fedora went to the acccg, it was f’n bleak…they aren’t there now and this can be fixed with some adjustments…longo can adjust, he has before…a 9 or 10 win season is still there.

i’m usually not this rosy, so don’t get used to it.😳
 
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