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I heard him on Sportscenter as well, along with some other guy (can't remember his name off hand) but I thought they both made very good points about how we should be in if we beat Clemson. Heather Dinich was voicing the opposition there, but after she brought up the 2 FCS schools (again), the other guy said something along the lines of "Well, if they beat the best team out there, why does it matter? If they beat the 85 Chicago Bears, would it matter that they beat 2 FCS teams?"

I just can't see how a 12-1 ACC champion, that would have won 12 in a row, plus be undefeated in conference play, with a win over the #1 team in the country, who was previously undefeated, could get left out.
 
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Bama beat Louisiana Monroe (1-11 Sun Belt) - they might as well be an FCS team to go along with their Charleston Southern FCS cake walk. Iowa beat North Texas (1-11 C-USA) to go along with their Illinois state FCS cake walk Stanford beat 0-12 UCF. These teams are no better than NC A&T who only had 1 other loss this year beside their loss to UNC.
 
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ACokeForRoy said:
Yes I saw that this morning. Also saw Danny Kenell and Finebaum debating UNC chances yesterday. I get tired of hearing folks bring up the South Carolina loss and saying we lost to the worst team in the SEC. Who knew that South Carolina would have the such a horrible season. It's easy to look back and say that now but...

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Finebaum is an SEC homer. I can't stand him. Everyone is so high on OSU getting in. They sure play their fair share of cupcakes leading up to a not so tough BIG schedule.
 
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I don't get the Ohio State love. I get they have one loss, but how can you justify taking a one loss team that finished 3rd in their conference over a one loss team that wins their conference?

Looking at ESPN's FPI, UNC is 4-0 against teams in the top 40, with a chance for a 5th win on Saturday. OSU is 2-1. OSU is ahead in Strength of Record (9 vs 11) but UNC leads in Game Control (7 vs 9). UNC also has a higher combined efficiency rating than OSU (5 vs 6). Both have a 21 point average margin of victory. They have fairly similar SOS as well. This is all fine and good, to say "They are pretty close." However, if UNC beats Clemson, they are no longer "fairly close," UNC is the objective leader between them with a win over an undefeated #1, a conference championship, an unbeaten conference record, all of which are things that the committee claim to value.

That same guy on ESPN this morning said that if UNC wins and the committee leaves them out, claiming the two FCS wins or whatever, then it just confirms the committee didn't want UNC in there and is just looking for a way to keep them out which is biased and wrong. I'm hoping that we get in with a win on Saturday, but we have to keep taking care of business, just like we have been doing.
 
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heelz2345 said:
I heard him on Sportscenter as well, along with some other guy (can't remember his name off hand) but I thought they both made very good points about how we should be in if we beat Clemson. Heather Dinich was voicing the opposition there, but after she brought up the 2 FCS schools (again), the other guy said something along the lines of "Well, if they beat the best team out there, why does it matter? If they beat the 85 Chicago Bears, would it matter that they beat 2 FCS teams?"

I just can't see how a 12-1 ACC champion, that would have won 12 in a row, plus be undefeated in conference play, with a win over the #1 team in the country, who was previously undefeated, could get left out.
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How? The Big Ten, which is as nasty as Gordon Gekko, calling in all its debts and getting the SEC to do the same and swaying the committee.

If you think the Big Ten will not always act now to harm the ACC as well as ND, you are very naive about the Big Ten.
 
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Finebaum is an SEC homer. I can't stand him. Everyone is so high on OSU getting in. They sure play their fair share of cupcakes leading up to a not so tough BIG schedule.
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Finebaum has no credibility, and is seen as nothing more than an Alabama/SEC homer....Didn't even mention that the South Carolina team that North Carolina played was not even close to the same that ended the season with a different QB and a different Coach....I turn the channel every time I see his face!

Wonder how much weight the committee would give to the FACT that North Carolina has a chance to redeem themselves at the very neutral venue where they lost their only game of the season?....Not to mention, an opportunity to beat the team that the Committee themselves have been saying are the #1 team in the Nation since the first vote was taken in early November?

Who would have a better FBS win if UNC beats Clemson on saturday?....Nobody if you legitimize what the Committee themselves have stated up to now....

Stanford is a 2 loss team whose best win would be over a Notre Dame team that lost to Clemson in much the same fashion as they did the Cardinals?

Ohio State has only lost 1 game, but will not play in the B1g Championship game, and didn't win their division, and will have played 1 less game than UNC....That's the reason that the Buckeyes got into the final 4 last year over TCU/Baylor....If it was good enough for the Committee last year, why wouldn't it be good enough if UNC were to beat Clemson this year?

Again, it's what I personally hate about this whole setup: The Committee gets to decide which Conference Champion or Champions are unworthy of making the playoffs?....It shouldn't be that way, and shouldn't be their decision!

Again, let them debate the teams who should be considered for the 3 Wildcard spots after the 5 Power Conference Champions have automatically qualified for the 8 Team Playoff....

Just my two cents!
 
ACokeForRoy said:
... I get tired of hearing folks bring up the South Carolina loss and saying we lost to the worst team in the SEC. Who knew that South Carolina would have the such a horrible season. It's easy to look back and say that now but... http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14260423
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plus, it's possible that being outplayed by lowly unc (and we DID outplay them) had a negative impact on scar's team morale, therefore carolina contributed to scar's decline.
 
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Tigertown@Rick said:
Finebaum has no credibility, and is seen as nothing more than an Alabama/SEC homer....Didn't even mention that the South Carolina team that North Carolina played was not even close to the same that ended the season with a different QB and a different Coach....I turn the channel every time I see his face!

Wonder how much weight the committee would give to the FACT that North Carolina has a chance to redeem themselves at the very neutral venue where they lost their only game of the season?....Not to mention, an opportunity to beat the team that the Committee themselves have been saying are the #1 team in the Nation since the first vote was taken in early November?

Who would have a better FBS win if UNC beats Clemson on saturday?....Nobody if you legitimize what the Committee themselves have stated up to now....

Stanford is a 2 loss team whose best win would be over a Notre Dame team that lost to Clemson in much the same fashion as they did the Cardinals?

Ohio State has only lost 1 game, but will not play in the B1g Championship game, and didn't win their division, and will have played 1 less game than UNC....That's the reason that the Buckeyes got into the final 4 last year over TCU/Baylor....If it was good enough for the Committee last year, why wouldn't it be good enough if UNC were to beat Clemson this year?

Again, it's what I personally hate about this whole setup: The Committee gets to decide which Conference Champion or Champions are unworthy of making the playoffs?....It shouldn't be that way, and shouldn't be their decision!

Again, let them debate the teams who should be considered for the 3 Wildcard spots after the 5 Power Conference Champions have automatically qualified for the 8 Team Playoff....

Just my two cents!
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Great Post TigerTown!

I totally agree with your comments on Finebaum. and particularly the comments on which conference champions can or can't participate. The subjectivity and bias demonstrated in every preliminary poll published by the CFP committee lead me to believe that a 12-1 UNC team having won the ACC Championship will STILL not be among the Final Four (unless that victory margin would be so overwhelming they simply can't brush it away with the obligatory casual mention of "2 FCS opponents and a 'Bad' 4 pt loss to SCar [who incidentally was a 7 pt favorite to win that opening game] ).

The only member on that committee with a tie to the ACC is Clemson's AD. Whereas several members have B1G ties. PAC12, SEC and Big XII also have multiple membership ties, with the chairman being the AD from Arkansas. They keep talking about "overall body of work" but seem prone to ignore the concept that winning their own conference championship is the most important qualifying aspect of any team's body of work, esp/ if it means that a highly rated B1G or SEC team gets slighted in the process. It's NCAA politics, plain and simple.
 
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Any other team losses there first game and wins the rest and there is no issue. You give Alabama, Notre Dame or Ohio State UNC's exact same schedule and exact same wins and losses and there are in the top 4. Just the way the corrupt committee works.
 
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I get tired of hearing about the SC loss as well. Last year Ohio State lost at HOME to a pretty bad Virginia Tech team and got in over a 1 loss TCU team whose loss was to #5 Baylor. The argument was SOS and the loss was early and how well they were playing at the end of the year, blah, blah, blah. Well, UNC should get the benefit of that same argument this year. Seems to me that UNC this year has a stronger case than OSU last year.
 
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6666Heel said:
Great Post TigerTown!

I totally agree with your comments on Finebaum. and particularly the comments on which conference champions can or can't participate. The subjectivity and bias demonstrated in every preliminary poll published by the CFP committee lead me to believe that a 12-1 UNC team having won the ACC Championship will STILL not be among the Final Four (unless that victory margin would be so overwhelming they simply can't brush it away with the obligatory casual mention of "2 FCS opponents and a 'Bad' 4 pt loss to SCar [who incidentally was a 7 pt favorite to win that opening game] ).

The only member on that committee with a tie to the ACC is Clemson's AD. Whereas several members have B1G ties. PAC12, SEC and Big XII also have multiple membership ties, with the chairman being the AD from Arkansas. They keep talking about "overall body of work" but seem prone to ignore the concept that winning their own conference championship is the most important qualifying aspect of any team's body of work, esp/ if it means that a highly rated B1G or SEC team gets slighted in the process. It's NCAA politics, plain and simple.
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And keep in mind that for years, The NCAA actually shared office space with the Big Ten in Chicago.

The Big Ten has always had more control over the NCAA than any league. And today, the BT hates and fears the ACC more than anybody because of ND.

The Big 12 fears the ACC because it knows that in every way but TV money per member, it is a much weaker conference than the ACC. So the Big 12 people will invariably act to harm the ACC, especially if the BT is leading the charge.

The Pac has been doing the will of the BT since the BT conned it into closing the Rose Bowl.

The SEC knows the BT is deceptive, hypocritical feces, but it also knows how much a threat ACC football can be. Not a threat to replace SEC football, not close, but enough to become equal in every way but average attendance. So the SEC also cannot be counted on.

My guess is that if Clemson's AD were not on the committee, Clemson would not be #1 now. And if we beat Clemson, the committee will drop Clemson and replace with a 2nd BT team.
 
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None of this is even relevant if we don't beat the Tigs. Like I said earlier, I can't feel slighted until we actually are. Beat Clemson and then see what shakes out. I've dreamed about this season since '97...not going to let some knuckleheads that get paid to postulate ruin even a teeny tiny bit of it. GO HEELS!
 
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SlyOldDevil said:
I get tired of hearing about the SC loss as well. Last year Ohio State lost at HOME to a pretty bad Virginia Tech team and got in over a 1 loss TCU team whose loss was to #5 Baylor. The argument was SOS and the loss was early and how well they were playing at the end of the year, blah, blah, blah. Well, UNC should get the benefit of that same argument this year. Seems to me that UNC this year has a stronger case than OSU last year.
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the bottom line is this: there are so many variables to consider and different weights to put on each criterion that human bias, economic bias, and behind the scenes influence are given free reign in the selection process.
 
heelbent said:
None of this is even relevant if we don't beat the Tigs. Like I said earlier, I can't feel slighted until we actually are. Beat Clemson and then see what shakes out. I've dreamed about this season since '97...not going to let some knuckleheads that get paid to postulate ruin even a teeny tiny bit of it. GO HEELS!
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I really think the did us a favor and it could work to our advantage. We shouldn't need any extra motivation but going is with a chip on our shoulders and playing the no respect card could add a little extra charge. Clemson may be a little tight, as they are expected to win. I am with you. It has been a long time since 1997. I would love to make them squirm as they explain why after beating the number 1 team in the country a 1 loss UNC team is not included in the playoffs.
 
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I really think the did us a favor and it could work to our advantage. We shouldn't need any extra motivation but going is with a chip on our shoulders and playing the no respect card could add a little extra charge. Clemson may be a little tight, as they are expected to win. I am with you. It has been a long time since 1997. I would love to make them squirm as they explain why after beating the number 1 team in the country a 1 loss UNC team is not included in the playoffs.
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excellent points my friend.
 
If UNC wins ACC, they should be in playoff, no ifs ands or butts, Okalhoma lost to Texas, that's a worse loss than UNC's to SC. Heck if UNC wins they will have beat #1 team in country. 12-1 with win over #1 should be automatic playoff spot. I am beginning to think the selection committee has very little or no integrity.
 
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Hampton Roads 6 said:
If UNC wins ACC, they should be in playoff, no ifs ands or butts, Okalhoma lost to Texas, that's a worse loss than UNC's to SC. Heck if UNC wins they will have beat #1 team in country. 12-1 with win over #1 should be automatic playoff spot. I am beginning to think the selection committee has very little or no integrity.
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No offense, but you're a bit late to the party if you're just now realizing that the CFP Committee ranks below even Hillary Clinton in the integrity/credibility aspect.

Good point on OU though...a chitty 4-8 Tejas team dominated them from the opening kickoff; we controlled our game w/ SCar, but lost on Fedora brain farts in the redzone (no RZ carries for Hood). That's what is so wrong w/ the committee and that congenital liar, Jeff Long. They aren't consistent in criteria used; what kills one team is no big deal for another, and vice versa.
 
Hampton Roads 6 said:
If UNC wins ACC, they should be in playoff, no ifs ands or butts, Okalhoma lost to Texas, that's a worse loss than UNC's to SC. Heck if UNC wins they will have beat #1 team in country. 12-1 with win over #1 should be automatic playoff spot. I am beginning to think the selection committee has very little or no integrity.
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Haha! Preach it HR6! You know we have always been a favorite of yours. But you better be careful, the girls back at home may get upset.
 
Big 12 was going to get a team in CFP this season. No way they were gonna get shut out twice in a row. Committee will talk about quality wins this year with less emphasis on conf championships since OU will not have one. Even if UNC beats Clemson, UF beats Bama and USC beats Stanford the Heels will not make the cut. Crappy part is that UNC can play Clemson down to the wire but if they lose FSU will get a better bowl. Committee is gonna hang their hat on the fact UNC played 2 FCS schools, avoided FSU and Louisville in conf play and lost to a pitiful sc team. I really hope I am wrong but after seeing how we have been treated in rankings all year I do not see us getting a break. If UNC were to make the CFP and have a respectable showing and then a few months later the NCAA come out with essentially no penalty for football or basketball all hell will break loose among the abc crowd. As long as that shadow is over us we will be left sitting at the kid's table.
 
Hampton Roads 6 said:
If UNC wins ACC, they should be in playoff, no ifs ands or butts, Okalhoma lost to Texas, that's a worse loss than UNC's to SC. Heck if UNC wins they will have beat #1 team in country. 12-1 with win over #1 should be automatic playoff spot. I am beginning to think the selection committee has very little or no integrity.
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I ain't fallin' for it...what have you done with HR6? Where's all that warm and fuzzy Carolina hatin' vitriol we've all come to know and love?

Hmmmmmmmmm...

Wait a minute...OTIS IS THAT YOU?
 
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Who would have ever thought an ACC school would get penalized for scheduling South Carolina ? Anytime an ACC school plays a SEC school, it strengthens their schedule (other than Vanderbilt or Kentucky).

I still have yet to figure out why committee is giving all the love to the Okies, when they screwed Baylor and TCU last year.

(I knew committee was bad, but I had no idea they ranked below Hllary Clinton. Hard to get any lower than that).

I think when season starts the committee secretly puts Notre Dame, Ohio State, Okalhoma and Southern Cal at top of their list, and reluctantly adjusts it as season goes on.
 
^^^ it's a beauty contest, man. Everyone knows it, but the right guys in the media refuse to say it out loud. Unfortunately in baskets (for us), it doesn't matter sans Dook and the brackets they get placed in time and time again.
 
I have followed college football for 51 years and I have never seen any beauty in Big 10 or PAC 10, Notre Dame and most years Big 12. Notre Dame should join Big 10 or be thrown out of NCAA.
 
Some hancock guy was on the radio yesterday. Hes the exec director of the cfp i think. He restored my faith a bit after hearing jeff long pretty much guarantee unc wouldnt make it.

Some notable points

He says there is no "eye test" for teams and that has been innacurately portrayed re osu

There is no credit for victory margin but for "game control". For example u can control a game and lead the whole way and win 17-7 and have a better win than a close game where a team picks up two late scores and wins 48-30

He said that they realize teams have wins over fbs schools that may not be as good as the fcs schools unc beat

He said unc was "definitely still in the hunt" for a playoff spot. So there IS A WAY
 
He also said earlier in the week (not the DG Show u r referring to) that he does talk to tv execs.
 
I know Jeff Long is probably speaking for committee rather than himself most of the time, but I find it hard to put faith in anything he says.
 
heelz2345 said:
I heard him on Sportscenter as well, along with some other guy (can't remember his name off hand) but I thought they both made very good points about how we should be in if we beat Clemson. Heather Dinich was voicing the opposition there, but after she brought up the 2 FCS schools (again), the other guy said something along the lines of "Well, if they beat the best team out there, why does it matter? If they beat the 85 Chicago Bears, would it matter that they beat 2 FCS teams?"

I just can't see how a 12-1 ACC champion, that would have won 12 in a row, plus be undefeated in conference play, with a win over the #1 team in the country, who was previously undefeated, could get left out.
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I agree with your logic but I could still see us winning and getting shut out. BTW, happy 66th to your avatar.
 
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If cupcake wins were really a huge concern to the committee, Bama should have dropped last week for playing Charleston Southern. The committee is sending mixed signals.
 
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