Mock Draft....Small Forwards

[FlaTarHeel]

Yeah it's only CBS Sports, but interesting nonetheless.

1. Much love for our JJ.
2. No love for dookboy Tatum.
3. And check out the kid at #7. A former "K'Oh" victim.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...-forwards-do-it-all-jackson-duo-top-the-list/

 

[imajericho]

They obviously are considering him another position than SF or that article is stupid and anyone mentioning it as of note is ridiculous.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Tatum will go top 5.

 

[bfowler991]

Tatum definitely a top 10 pick and with the way he's playing recently I wouldn't be surprised to see him go top three. Right now it seems like most of the mock drafts have Justin mid to late first round which may be good for him so he doesn't end up with a bad franchise. I've also seen Isaiah projected in the mid 2nd round. Looks like our good buddy Grayson would have done himself a service by leaving last year when he was projected first round. I've seen him projected deep second round, if at all for this draft.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

If you look at their big board they have Tatum at 12, so it seems they have him listed as a 4, not a SF. They have JJ at 14, it'd be good for both he and the Heels if he can sneak into the lottery.

If you're looking to knock dook, I wouldn't start with Tatum. They have Giles as a second rounder, which is quite impressive as to how you can take the #1 player in the class and turn him into a second rounder.

 

[Archer2]

Yeah, Tatum is a lottery pick. I certainly don't envision him as a PF or a SG though, so I'm not sure why he wasn't listed among the very best SF's.

 

[DSouthr]

If you look at their big board they have Tatum at 12, so it seems they have him listed as a 4, not a SF. They have JJ at 14, it'd be good for both he and the Heels if he can sneak into the lottery.

If you're looking to knock dook, I wouldn't start with Tatum. They have Giles as a second rounder, which is quite impressive as to how you can take the #1 player in the class and turn him into a second rounder.

And this begs the question of how smart it was for him to come back and play this season, as opposed to sitting out and rehabbing at a place like IMG. Had he sat out he would have dropped from his earlier hype by would have been 1st round with a clean medical report and showing at the combine, things he will still have to do.

But playing and looking so bad just leaves a negative impression that has him now out of round 1. Poor decision that has already cost him millions.

 

[Archer2]

I have to agree re: Giles, Dave. I feel bad for the young man.

 

[HeLooks2MuchLikeDave]

Most mock drafts have Giles going in the lottery. You are kidding yourself if you think he is going to fall to the 2nd round. He will be a top 10 pick if he doesn't have any setbacks. There is too much potential there.

 

[Archer2]

Most mock drafts have Giles going in the lottery. You are kidding yourself if you think he is going to fall to the 2nd round. He will be a top 10 pick if he doesn't have any setbacks. There is too much potential there.

I hope so for his sake. I fear his career will be short lived so I hope he is a lottery pick and invests his money very well.

 

[Sk1310]

They obviously are considering him another position than SF or that article is stupid and anyone mentioning it as of note is ridiculous.

Calm down, it was obviously an honest mistake. Do you see Tatum as a SF or PF in the NBA, even though he plays PF in college? He will be playing SF in the NBA, and anyone who thinks he will be playing PF in the NBA is ridiculous. Not the OP's fault CBS has his future position completely wrong.

 

[DSouthr]

Most mock drafts have Giles going in the lottery. You are kidding yourself if you think he is going to fall to the 2nd round. He will be a top 10 pick if he doesn't have any setbacks. There is too much potential there.

"What ever gets you thru the night,
its alright, its alright.
Be it wrong or be it right,
its alright, its alright. "

 

[gunslingerdick]

Most mock drafts have Giles going in the lottery. You are kidding yourself if you think he is going to fall to the 2nd round. He will be a top 10 pick if he doesn't have any setbacks. There is too much potential there.

I agree that he'll go first round but not top 10.

Draft Express has him at #19
NBAdraft.net has him at #11
Tankathon has him at #17
CBS has him at #30
Bleacher Report has him at #18
MyNBAdraft.com has him at #12
Draftsite.com has him at #12
Gary Parrish has him at #13
The Big Lead has him at #13
Hoopshype has him at #10

No, most mock drafts don't have Giles going top 10.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I agree that he'll go first round but not top 10.

Draft Express has him at #19
NBAdraft.net has him at #11
Tankathon has him at #17
CBS has him at #30
Bleacher Report has him at #18
MyNBAdraft.com has him at #12
Draftsite.com has him at #12
Gary Parrish has him at #13
The Big Lead has him at #13
Hoopshype has him at #10

No, most mock drafts don't have Giles going top 10.

4 of the 10 don't even have him going lottery. And the more game tape he puts out there of not being the dominant player he was pre-injuries - the more those numbers will drop. I think it'd be hard for him to slip out of the first round based on raw talent alone, but based on production it's also hard to see him considered a lock for the lottery.

 

[gunslingerdick]

4 of the 10 don't even have him going lottery. And the more game tape he puts out there of not being the dominant player he was pre-injuries - the more those numbers will drop. I think it'd be hard for him to slip out of the first round based on raw talent alone, but based on production it's also hard to see him considered a lock for the lottery.

Potential, potential, potential! Jesuuus,...I am so ill with the way the NBA drafts players and what the NBA has become. It's jokey.

Giles might one day become the next Chris Webber as he was billed to be. But the more likely outcome is that he doesn't. I'm not saying he'll suck but he won't be a perennial All-Star in the NBA. So taking him in the lottery on a gamble is too much to risk when this draft is as deep as it is with guys who also have potential but have proven more.

 

[Archer2]

Giles tore the ACL, MCL and meniscus in his left knee in 2013 while competing for USA Basketball, then tore the ACL in his right knee last November during a high school game. Those aren't minor injuries. With the knee injuries he's had, I would be hesitant to waste a high lottery pick on him, lest he become another Greg Oden.

 

[gary-7]

If you look at their big board they have Tatum at 12, so it seems they have him listed as a 4, not a SF. They have JJ at 14, it'd be good for both he and the Heels if he can sneak into the lottery.

If you're looking to knock dook, I wouldn't start with Tatum. They have Giles as a second rounder, which is quite impressive as to how you can take the #1 player in the class and turn him into a second rounder.

Well, I'll just say that Giles being #1 in that class was a gross misranking. Tatum, Monk, Fulz and Josh Jackson were all better prospects. Giles got love because of size and if he was in the 17 clas he wouldn't even be the top Big.

 

[FlaTarHeel]

I have to agree re: Giles, Dave. I feel bad for the young man.

I dont, not with the way he treated RW and the program.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I dont, not with the way he treated RW and the program.

His (lack of) production for dook thus far this year is a greater disservice to K and dook than anything he did to RW and the Heels.

 

[Archer2]

I dont, not with the way he treated RW and the program.

I didn't realize he'd treated Roy or the program badly. If a player prefers to go to dook, then that's where he should go. I have nothing against Giles other than he's a dookie.

 

[trestyles]

Tatum will go top 5.

Any GM who draft him top 5 should be fired. That's not my dook hate speaking.

 

[gunslingerdick]

His (lack of) production for dook thus far this year is a greater disservice to K and dook than anything he did to RW and the Heels.

Yeah, that's why it's important that Giles continues to look very average. It's also why Tatum and duke's issues early this season were gold. But none of those issues will be remembered if duke goes on to make a run. It would be great if Giles continues to underwhelm, Tatum goes back to acting like a one man show and for Bolden and Frank Jackson to continue to be undervalued by the duke staff and for duke to get upset before the FF. Then we can start to point out that duke isn't really a place for OADs either.

 

[HeLooks2MuchLikeDave]

I agree that he'll go first round but not top 10.

Draft Express has him at #19
NBAdraft.net has him at #11
Tankathon has him at #17
CBS has him at #30
Bleacher Report has him at #18
MyNBAdraft.com has him at #12
Draftsite.com has him at #12
Gary Parrish has him at #13
The Big Lead has him at #13
Hoopshype has him at #10

No, most mock drafts don't have Giles going top 10.

I said most mock drafts have him going in the lottery. You cited 10 mock drafts with 6 of them placing him in the lottery. Hence, my point. In addition, ESPN has had 5 mock drafts so far with all 5 placing Giles in the lottery. My opinion is that he will go top 10, however.

 

[HeLooks2MuchLikeDave]

Any GM who draft him top 5 should be fired. That's not my dook hate speaking.

When should they fire that GM--- immediately after the draft selection?

 

[Sk1310]

Any GM who draft him top 5 should be fired. That's not my dook hate speaking.

Agreed

 

[Sk1310]

When should they fire that GM--- immediately after the draft selection?

After they draft Greyson Allen in the 2nd

 

[gunslingerdick]

I said most mock drafts have him going in the lottery. You cited 10 mock drafts with 6 of them placing him in the lottery. Hence, my point. In addition, ESPN has had 5 mock drafts so far with all 5 placing Giles in the lottery. My opinion is that he will go top 10, however.

My bad. You did indeed say most mock drafts have him the lottery (not top 10).

I think your opinion is wrong. If the draft were held today, Giles doesn't go lottery. Maybe by the end of the year he shows something (anything!) that would make a GM have hope. But to this point in the season, he's done absolutely nothing to make any GM feel good about taking him in the lottery.

 

[gunslingerdick]

When should they fire that GM--- immediately after the draft selection?

I see what you're getting at. Of course Giles is going to take time. But let me ask you...how much time will Giles need before asking for lottery level production out of him?

 

[HeLooks2MuchLikeDave]

My bad. You did indeed say most mock drafts have him the lottery (not top 10).

I think your opinion is wrong. If the draft were held today, Giles doesn't go lottery. Maybe by the end of the year he shows something (anything!) that would make a GM have hope. But to this point in the season, he's done absolutely nothing to make any GM feel good about taking him in the lottery.

I don't think he goes top 10 if the draft were today. But I've watched every minute he's played this year and he's getting better and better with no setbacks. If he can do that for 4 more months I think he answers a lot of questions. I agree there is a lot of risk. But the only way you can win in the league as a lottery team is to strike gold in the draft. That's why teams draft for upside.

 

[HeLooks2MuchLikeDave]

I see what you're getting at. Of course Giles is going to take time. But let me ask you...how much time will Giles need before asking for lottery level production out of him?

That poast was about Tatum, not Giles. I was just curious if they should fire him right away, or let him play first.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I don't think he goes top 10 if the draft were today. But I've watched every minute he's played this year and he's getting better and better with no setbacks. If he can do that for 4 more months I think he answers a lot of questions. I agree there is a lot of risk. But the only way you can win in the league as a lottery team is to strike gold in the draft. That's why teams draft for upside.

How can a GM rationalize taking a guy in the lottery that has played less than 300 minutes of organized basketball in the last 3 years?

 

[HeLooks2MuchLikeDave]

How can a GM rationalize taking a guy in the lottery that has played less than 300 minutes of organized basketball in the last 3 years?

Beats me. I am not saying what they should do, I am saying what I think they will do. I'm with you on this one, if I am a GM, I don't take him in the lottery. Maybe the end of the first round---maybe. There are too many impact players in this draft to take the risk for me. But that hasn't stopped GMs in the past....

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

And this begs the question of how smart it was for him to come back and play this season, as opposed to sitting out and rehabbing at a place like IMG. Had he sat out he would have dropped from his earlier hype by would have been 1st round with a clean medical report and showing at the combine, things he will still have to do.

But playing and looking so bad just leaves a negative impression that has him now out of round 1. Poor decision that has already cost him millions.

wouldn't say he has looked bad...nervous and unsteady sure...not playing naturally out of fear even....he has shown flashes and moves and also shown some limitations movement wise all not a physical hurdle, but more so a mental hurdle....knees fine, now the brain needs fixing..lol

 

[tw3301]

How can a GM rationalize taking a guy in the lottery that has played less than 300 minutes of organized basketball in the last 3 years?

I agree, but how could a GM rationalize taking him if he didn't play at all this year like many have suggested?

 

[trestyles]

That poast was about Tatum, not Giles. I was just curious if they should fire him right away, or let him play first.

In other words he was being a smart azz

 

[Sk1310]

wouldn't he has looked bad...nervous and unsteady sure...not playing naturally out of fear even....he has shown flashes and moves and also shown some limitations movement wise all not a physical hurdle, but more so a mental hurdle....knees fine, now the brain needs fixing..lol

Yep.. With his run of injuries, it will take some time.