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...and a good time was had by all.

As mentioned yesterday pre-game, playing a grossly overmatched opponent like this ain't gonna tell you much statistically, so this one will be light on numbers, heavier on stuff. Let's just shotgun it:

- approach: Once again, proliferation of set plays is going to be a staple of this different 2018-19 version. During the first half, while the game was still competitive (score-wise at least), we ran them off every pause in flow, and thus set plays accounted for 29 of our first-half points. Again, atypical from what we're used to, but a necessary adjustment Roy has wisely made to accomodate our personnel situation. Once the game quickly got out of hand in the second half we had the luxury to return to our standard predominantly free-lance approach, which was good practice for sure.

- As also mentioned yesterday, I was watching Coby as to giving up the ball sooner, and he was actually better at that this time and thus got himself into fewer bad situations, and accordingly got a lot more good looks off return passes and reversals. Hopefully that will continue. As for 7th, once again he played the more solid floor game of the two. Bless his heart, I can see him thinking thru things in real time, but he's working hard to not resort to bad habits and is facilitating an offense much better than in previous seasons. All that said, Elon put zero stress on pur ball-handlers, so the PGs were able to operate freely. The real tests will come when (inevitably) better teams start pressing/jumping our 1s.

- This was a mix-and-match night for Roy and we ran myriad combos and configurations, starting Hybrid (as usual), then Traditional (with Manley/Brooks together), and Small... and eight different backcourt combos along the way. Speaking of lineups there was one particularly sporty Small group late in the first half as we got our working halftime margin featuring Coby, Platek, Leaky, Cam and Luke.

- We didn't shoot the 3 well, but hell, we got nearly every miss it seemed and easy put-backs padded the shooting pct. Good to see Luke continuing to stroke those FTs, BTW! Also, good to see Nas stroke the 3 with more confidence. He still needs more work defensively in rotations, etc but that will come. And oh, for those fretting about his role, in case I didn't mention it before, Nas already has Roy's coveted Green Light.

- LORDY LORDY, WE PLAYED 40!!! Sorry, but this one made me ecstatic. I've been complaining about Roy defaulting too much to 30 in half-court scrambles. Tonight we ran several series of 42 --- hell, even executed consecutive double-teams down the sideline off the pass! --- and other than a late rotation by Nas, they worked. Look, there's nothing wrong with 30 as a quick shock tactic, but it's a one-and-done deal with the jump-switch/trap, and teams scout hard to look for it and to get ball out pronto. 40 maintains the zone-trap protocol as long as the ball doesn't escape to the middle, and most teams have a really hard time with that second double. Yeah, 40 is harder to teach, but IMO it's Dean's most potent defensive invention. Me likey!

- Some individual notes:
*Big Manley came out of his shell. Again, yeah, it was against an overmatched opponent, but he was active and aggressive on the offensive end. Needs to still work on playing defense with his feet and beating guys to the spot, but hopefully this game will serve as a jump-start.
*Kenny however continues to be cold offensively. I watched him closely last night and I'm seeing two things. 1) He is (as I feared) assuming a lot of responsibility, not only in defense, but in compensating for not having a JB to run the show, i.e., wrangling spacing and motion, and 2) he is thus pressing some on the offensive end when he gets his scoring ops. On that note, once he sees a couple of shots go down I think he'll be fine, and as he adjusts to the differences around him the comfort level should hopefully improve.
*Good to see Baby Jet snag some points in front of his dad! And Caleb took full advantage of his late minutes.
*I know it's tricky given the allocation of our considerable depth (see the last point below), but one way or another, Platek needs to get minutes, and that includes later in the season when the rotation shrinks. One reason is he can flat play. The other is that when he's in it's like having a second PG in the backcourt --- a particularly valuable commodity right now --- and good things happen.

- Additional concerns: Despite scoring 116, we only had 18 Team Assists meanwhile blowing 22 --- not good. And along with that were 17 Blown Transition opportunities despite only 11 TOs. In other words, we mauled them with physical superiority as opposed to execution. On the defensive side they absolutely wore us out with their Hi-Lo post action. Multiple easy "slip" lay-ups evoked Roy's most sour expressions of the night. Again, play D with your feet, stay below the ball, and anticipate the spot! Need to get this cleaned up pronto.

- And finally, personnel: People can talk the "positionless" platitude all they want, but our system sure as hell doesn't work that way. It really is fascinating how certain players are just more suited and natural at certain positions, even compered to those that aren't all that dissimilar. For example, it's obvious already that BRob is a born 3 --- when he plays the 2 he just gets himself in trouble. Leaky is also miles better as a 3 than anywhere else right now. In general, looking at the whole, we have a LOT of really good basketball players --- I mean we are deep. Trouble is, unlike an NBA GM, ya can't always have the optimal allocation of personnel amongst positions, and our aggregate strength (1-thru-5) graphs like a Bell Curve...

So... kudos to our coach for having the sportsmanship (and cajones) to play true road games vs close, hungry opponents ( as opposed to the policies of the fella, ahem, down the road a piece). Fun win for fans and players alike, not to mention exciting boosts in cred for the programs at Elon and Wofford! Next step --- Monday...:cool:
 
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...and a good time was had by all.

As mentioned yesterday pre-game, playing a grossly overmatched opponent like this ain't gonna tell you much statistically, so this one will be light on numbers, heavier on stuff. Let's just shotgun it:

- approach: Once again, proliferation of set plays is going to be a staple of this different 2018-19 version. During the first half, while the game was still competitive (score-wise at least), we ran them off every pause in flow, and thus set plays accounted for 29 of our first-half points. Again, atypical from what we're used to, but a necessary adjustment Roy has wisely made to accomodate our personnel situation. Once the game quickly got out of hand in the second half we had the luxury to return to our standard predominantly free-lance approach, which was good practice for sure.

- As also mentioned yesterday, I was watching Coby as to giving up the ball sooner, and he was actually better at that this time and thus got himself into fewer bad situations, and accordingly got a lot more good looks off return passes and reversals. Hopefully that will continue. As for 7th, once again he played the more solid floor game of the two. Bless his heart, I can see him thinking thru things in real time, but he's working hard to not resort to bad habits and is facilitating an offense much better than in previous seasons. All that said, Elon put zero stress on pur ball-handlers, so the PGs were able to operate freely. The real tests will come when (inevitably) better teams start pressing/jumping our 1s.

- This was a mix-and-match night for Roy and we ran myriad combos and configurations, starting Hybrid (as usual), then Traditional (with Manley/Brooks together), and Small... and eight different backcourt combos along the way. Speaking of lineups there was one particularly sporty Small group late in the first half as we got our working halftime margin featuring Coby, Platek, Leaky, Cam and Luke.

- We didn't shoot the 3 well, but hell, we got nearly every miss it seemed and easy put-backs padded the shooting pct. Good to see Luke continuing to stroke those FTs, BTW! Also, good to see Nas stroke the 3 with more confidence. He still needs more work defensively in rotations, etc but that will come. And oh, for those fretting about his role, in case I didn't mention it before, Nas already has Roy's coveted Green Light.

- LORDY LORDY, WE PLAYED 40!!! Sorry, but this one made me ecstatic. I've been complaining about Roy defaulting too much to 30 in half-court scrambles. Tonight we ran several series of 42 --- hell, even executed consecutive double-teams down the sideline off the pass! --- and other than a late rotation by Nas, they worked. Look, there's nothing wrong with 30 as a quick shock tactic, but it's a one-and-done deal with the jump-switch/trap, and teams scout hard to look for it and to get ball out pronto. 40 maintains the zone-trap protocol as long as the ball doesn't escape to the middle, and most teams have a really hard time with that second double. Yeah, 40 is harder to teach, but IMO it's Dean's most potent defensive invention. Me likey!

- Some individual notes:
*Big Manley came out of his shell. Again, yeah, it was against an overmatched opponent, but he was active and aggressive on the offensive end. Needs to still work on playing defense with his feet and beating guys to the spot, but hopefully this game will serve as a jump-start.
*Kenny however continues to be cold offensively. I watched him closely last night and I'm seeing two things. 1) He is (as I feared) assuming a lot of responsibility, not only in defense, but in compensating for not having a JB to run the show, i.e., wrangling spacing and motion, and 2) he is thus pressing some on the offensive end when he gets his scoring ops. On that note, once he sees a couple of shots go down I think he'll be fine, and as he adjusts to the differences around him the comfort level should hopefully improve.
*Good to see Baby Jet snag some points in front of his dad! And Caleb took full advantage of his late minutes.
*I know it's tricky given the allocation of our considerable depth (see the last point below), but one way or another, Platek needs to get minutes, and that includes later in the season when the rotation shrinks. One reason is he can flat play. The other is that when he's in it's like having a second PG in the backcourt --- a particularly valuable commodity right now --- and good things happen.

- Additional concerns: Despite scoring 116, we only had 18 Team Assists meanwhile blowing 22 --- not good. And along with that were 17 Blown Transition opportunities despite only 11 TOs. In other words, we mauled them with physical superiority as opposed to execution. On the defensive side they absolutely wore us out with their Hi-Lo post action. Multiple easy "slip" lay-ups evoked Roy's most sour expressions of the night. Again, play D with your feet, stay below the ball, and anticipate the spot! Needs to get this ceaned up pronto.

- And finally, personnel: People can talk the "positionless" platitude all they want, but our system sure as hell doesn't work that way. It really is fascinating how certain players are just more suited and natural at certain positions, even compered to those that aren't all that dissimilar. For example, it's obvious already that BRob is a born 3 --- when he plays the 2 he just gets himself in trouble. Leaky is also miles better as a 3 than anywhere else right now. In general, looking at the whole, we have a LOT of really good basketball players --- I mean we are deep. Trouble is, unlike an NBA GM, ya can't always have the optimal allocation of personnel amongst positions, and our aggregate strength graphs like a Bell Curve...

So... kudos to our coach for having the sportsmanship (and cajones) to play true road games vs close, hungry opponents ( as opposed to the policies of the fella, ahem, down the road a piece). Fun win for fans and players alike, not to mention exciting boosts in cred for the programs at Elon and Wofford! Next step --- Monday...:cool:

Geez dude, looking for your stats and stuff thread and wasn't these so I did my view on the existing thread. Pretty much said the same as you have here. You mentioned our playing more 40, Roy is feeling like he can add to the plate now because our inexperienced guys are picking up our base stuff. Fantastic considering that was very much not the case last season so that is great to see.
 
We will get to see the next small learning curve for the newbies Monday.
I will particularly want to see how they react to being guarded by quicker, stronger, and more talented players, followed by watching to see how they themselves will guard same. Wonder what the over/under will be on different line up configurations? I counted 16 verses Elon, and there could have been more than that, that's all I could keep up with.
 
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We will get to see the next small learning curve for the newbies Monday.
I will particularly want to see how they react to being guarded by quicker, stronger, and more talented players, followed by watching to see how they themselves will guard same. Wonder what the over/under will be on different line up configurations? I counted 16 verses Elon, and there could have been more than that, that's all I could keep up with.
Will be quite interested to ses if Hasse brings backcourt pressure. Overall, this is a game we should win but as you said, good time for a step-up in opponent's athleticism as we approach the gauntlet.
 
Geez dude, looking for your stats and stuff thread and wasn't these so I did my view on the existing thread. Pretty much said the same as you have here. You mentioned our playing more 40, Roy is feeling like he can add to the plate now because our inexperienced guys are picking up our base stuff. Fantastic considering that was very much not the case last season so that is great to see.
Hey, had some things to do last night --- turned into a late one...:D:cool:
 
...and a good time was had by all.

- As also mentioned yesterday, I was watching Coby as to giving up the ball sooner, and he was actually better at that this time and thus got himself into fewer bad situations, and accordingly got a lot more good looks off return passes and reversals. Hopefully that will continue. As for 7th, once again he played the more solid floor game of the two. Bless his heart, I can see him thinking thru things in real time, but he's working hard to not resort to bad habits and is facilitating an offense much better than in previous seasons. All that said, Elon put zero stress on pur ball-handlers, so the PGs were able to operate freely. The real tests will come when (inevitably) better teams start pressing/jumping our 1s.

- We didn't shoot the 3 well, but hell, we got nearly every miss it seemed and easy put-backs padded the shooting pct. Good to see Luke continuing to stroke those FTs, BTW! Also, good to see Nas stroke the 3 with more confidence. He still needs more work defensively in rotations, etc but that will come. And oh, for those fretting about his role, in case I didn't mention it before, Nas already has Roy's coveted Green Light.

- LORDY LORDY, WE PLAYED 40!!! Sorry, but this one made me ecstatic. I've been complaining about Roy defaulting too much to 30 in half-court scrambles. Tonight we ran several series of 42 --- hell, even executed consecutive double-teams down the sideline off the pass! --- and other than a late rotation by Nas, they worked. Look, there's nothing wrong with 30 as a quick shock tactic, but it's a one-and-done deal with the jump-switch/trap, and teams scout hard to look for it and to get ball out pronto. 40 maintains the zone-trap protocol as long as the ball doesn't escape to the middle, and most teams have a really hard time with that second double. Yeah, 40 is harder to teach, but IMO it's Dean's most potent defensive invention. Me likey!

- Some individual notes:
*Big Manley came out of his shell. Again, yeah, it was against an overmatched opponent, but he was active and aggressive on the offensive end.
*Good to see Baby Jet snag some points in front of his dad! And Caleb took full advantage of his late minutes.
*I know it's tricky given the allocation of our considerable depth (see the last point below), but one way or another, Platek needs to get minutes, and that includes later in the season when the rotation shrinks.
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- And finally, personnel: Leaky is also miles better as a 3 than anywhere else right now. In general, looking at the whole, we have a LOT of really good basketball players --- I mean we are deep.
Been waiting all night for this g
#Slacker:p

Good job as always.
 
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2-0 on road to open the season. Cam Johnson on a tear. Not worried about Kenny one iota. Still a #1 seed. On to next game.
 
Cam’s play in the 1st two games have been the biggest bright spots for me. He’s really feeling his shot and it’s great to see, it just goes to show you how good of a shooter he can be when he is confident, healthy and gets into a rhythm. I like seeing him also being able to convert from the mid-range and looking to put the ball on the floor. It is also noticeable that he is more fluid moving on both ends of the floor too, doing a better job playing D off the ball. I really think that him being able to be this kind of scoring threat can really benefit our spacing and benefit everyone around him as he also is very willing to give it up and make the extra pass.

Seventh had some very positive minutes again tonight. I thought he played very under control, took care of the ball and did a nice job of looking to find others around him. He once again showed a very strong effort defensively too. It can be really big for us this year to have him come off the bench and be a reliable force that doesn’t make a lot of mistakes, can still keep things flowing, and making a positive impact defeniively.

I thought Nas played really well tonight and looked more comfortable which is encouraging. He was very efficient too going 9-13 from the field, scoring in a variety of ways. I really like how unselfish and under control he plays and how willing he is to play within the team concept. Something that stood out was his work on the offensive glass tonight as he was very active there and was rewarded with 5 boards. It's certainly really exciting to think about how good Nas is going to be when everything comes together for him over the next few months. And I think Coach’s comment about Nas says a lot- “He’s coming quickly.”

And Leaky, he had a nice stat stuffing night with 8pts, 6 reb, 5 assists and 1 steal, making some good decisions with the ball in his hands, looking for his shot some and showing that same composure that we have seen from him, but what impressed me the most was he had no turnovers in those 15 minutes, that right there will earn Leaky minutes and earn him trust in Coach's book. With the makeup of this year’s team and the scorers we have, I really believe that Leaky is a great complimentary piece that will continue to get run. His ability to come in and impact games with his length and defensive versatility is a huge bonus for us because it adds depth to our bench as we know we can rely on him to make an impact.

Also, I am very excited about the depth of our team, I think we have some really good options off the bench and many different lineup combos that can come in and make an impact on both ends of the floor night in and night out. I am really looking forward to watching how Roy uses his bench over these next few weeks as this is exactly the times to test things out, develop the bench and to see what clicks.
 
Pretty great game. Offense looked much cleaner than last time, obviously. How about Luke's FTs, eh? And that Nassir kid is pretty good!

Things I'm hoping to see improve:

- 3 point defense
- shot selection

That's about it at this point.
 
There's a lineup I want to see for a 4-6 min stretch, or as long as Manley could stay on the court at one time.
Coby
Cam at the 2
Nassir
Luke
Sterling.

Not sure that one is ever going to happen but I'd sure like to see it.
 
...and a good time was had by all.

As mentioned yesterday pre-game, playing a grossly overmatched opponent like this ain't gonna tell you much statistically, so this one will be light on numbers, heavier on stuff. Let's just shotgun it:

- approach: Once again, proliferation of set plays is going to be a staple of this different 2018-19 version. During the first half, while the game was still competitive (score-wise at least), we ran them off every pause in flow, and thus set plays accounted for 29 of our first-half points. Again, atypical from what we're used to, but a necessary adjustment Roy has wisely made to accomodate our personnel situation. Once the game quickly got out of hand in the second half we had the luxury to return to our standard predominantly free-lance approach, which was good practice for sure.

- As also mentioned yesterday, I was watching Coby as to giving up the ball sooner, and he was actually better at that this time and thus got himself into fewer bad situations, and accordingly got a lot more good looks off return passes and reversals. Hopefully that will continue. As for 7th, once again he played the more solid floor game of the two. Bless his heart, I can see him thinking thru things in real time, but he's working hard to not resort to bad habits and is facilitating an offense much better than in previous seasons. All that said, Elon put zero stress on pur ball-handlers, so the PGs were able to operate freely. The real tests will come when (inevitably) better teams start pressing/jumping our 1s.

- This was a mix-and-match night for Roy and we ran myriad combos and configurations, starting Hybrid (as usual), then Traditional (with Manley/Brooks together), and Small... and eight different backcourt combos along the way. Speaking of lineups there was one particularly sporty Small group late in the first half as we got our working halftime margin featuring Coby, Platek, Leaky, Cam and Luke.

- We didn't shoot the 3 well, but hell, we got nearly every miss it seemed and easy put-backs padded the shooting pct. Good to see Luke continuing to stroke those FTs, BTW! Also, good to see Nas stroke the 3 with more confidence. He still needs more work defensively in rotations, etc but that will come. And oh, for those fretting about his role, in case I didn't mention it before, Nas already has Roy's coveted Green Light.

- LORDY LORDY, WE PLAYED 40!!! Sorry, but this one made me ecstatic. I've been complaining about Roy defaulting too much to 30 in half-court scrambles. Tonight we ran several series of 42 --- hell, even executed consecutive double-teams down the sideline off the pass! --- and other than a late rotation by Nas, they worked. Look, there's nothing wrong with 30 as a quick shock tactic, but it's a one-and-done deal with the jump-switch/trap, and teams scout hard to look for it and to get ball out pronto. 40 maintains the zone-trap protocol as long as the ball doesn't escape to the middle, and most teams have a really hard time with that second double. Yeah, 40 is harder to teach, but IMO it's Dean's most potent defensive invention. Me likey!

- Some individual notes:
*Big Manley came out of his shell. Again, yeah, it was against an overmatched opponent, but he was active and aggressive on the offensive end. Needs to still work on playing defense with his feet and beating guys to the spot, but hopefully this game will serve as a jump-start.
*Kenny however continues to be cold offensively. I watched him closely last night and I'm seeing two things. 1) He is (as I feared) assuming a lot of responsibility, not only in defense, but in compensating for not having a JB to run the show, i.e., wrangling spacing and motion, and 2) he is thus pressing some on the offensive end when he gets his scoring ops. On that note, once he sees a couple of shots go down I think he'll be fine, and as he adjusts to the differences around him the comfort level should hopefully improve.
*Good to see Baby Jet snag some points in front of his dad! And Caleb took full advantage of his late minutes.
*I know it's tricky given the allocation of our considerable depth (see the last point below), but one way or another, Platek needs to get minutes, and that includes later in the season when the rotation shrinks. One reason is he can flat play. The other is that when he's in it's like having a second PG in the backcourt --- a particularly valuable commodity right now --- and good things happen.

- Additional concerns: Despite scoring 116, we only had 18 Team Assists meanwhile blowing 22 --- not good. And along with that were 17 Blown Transition opportunities despite only 11 TOs. In other words, we mauled them with physical superiority as opposed to execution. On the defensive side they absolutely wore us out with their Hi-Lo post action. Multiple easy "slip" lay-ups evoked Roy's most sour expressions of the night. Again, play D with your feet, stay below the ball, and anticipate the spot! Need to get this cleaned up pronto.

- And finally, personnel: People can talk the "positionless" platitude all they want, but our system sure as hell doesn't work that way. It really is fascinating how certain players are just more suited and natural at certain positions, even compered to those that aren't all that dissimilar. For example, it's obvious already that BRob is a born 3 --- when he plays the 2 he just gets himself in trouble. Leaky is also miles better as a 3 than anywhere else right now. In general, looking at the whole, we have a LOT of really good basketball players --- I mean we are deep. Trouble is, unlike an NBA GM, ya can't always have the optimal allocation of personnel amongst positions, and our aggregate strength (1-thru-5) graphs like a Bell Curve...

So... kudos to our coach for having the sportsmanship (and cajones) to play true road games vs close, hungry opponents ( as opposed to the policies of the fella, ahem, down the road a piece). Fun win for fans and players alike, not to mention exciting boosts in cred for the programs at Elon and Wofford! Next step --- Monday...:cool:
Carrie please excuse my ignorance but I didn't play college basketball and I don't know what you mean when you refer to 40 and 30 in our defense stance could you excuse my ignorance and explain this a little more in detail. By the way I'm glad that Nasir has the green light. Gary please excuse my ignorance but I don't understand the distinction you make between 40 and 30 and I are defensive tactics. Could you expand on your comments. By the way I'm glad that Nasir has the green light. Sometimes it takes a while for a talented player make that super talented player to get the green light from Roy or Dean.
 
Carrie please excuse my ignorance but I didn't play college basketball and I don't know what you mean when you refer to 40 and 30 in our defense stance could you excuse my ignorance and explain this a little more in detail. By the way I'm glad that Nasir has the green light. Gary please excuse my ignorance but I don't understand the distinction you make between 40 and 30 and I are defensive tactics. Could you expand on your comments. By the way I'm glad that Nasir has the green light. Sometimes it takes a while for a talented player make that super talented player to get the green light from Roy or Dean.
In a nutshell, the difference is that 30 in our system is Dean's old-school "Run-and-Jump", which is essentially a jump-switch (or double-team) on a funneled dribbler, typically coming from the next-in-line wing defender, whilst the 2 other closest defenders jump the immediate passing lanes as "interceptors" and the remaining guy serving as "goaltender" dropping to the paint.

40 is a bit more sophisticated in that the entire defense morphs on cue from 20 (Man) into a de facto 2-2-1 Zone Trap, and stays as such as long as the ball is on the sideline (where it has been funneled). That means in 42 you can have a wing trap and/or a corner trap. The "interceptor"/"goaltender" roles are the same as in 30, BUT in 40 they continue to rotate reponsibilities based on proximity as long as passes are made along the sideline.

BTW: The second number indicates the "pick-up point", thus 42 would be a half-court deal, 43 three-quarter-court, and 44 full-court.

As I mentioned in the OP, 30 is sort of a hit-and-run attack on the dribbler, whereas in 40 you keep it on as long as the ball doesn't escape to the middle... plus you can continually retrigger it during the same possession on the next funnel or wing pass. Also of note, (and contrary to what some will tell ya) the 40 trap can alternately come from the top on the first wing pass, OR up from the sideline if the opposing dribbler can be funneled down the sideline (as in 30). If it does come up from the wing you can tell it's 40 if we're willing to "chase" the ball around the perimeter if necessary to get doubles.

So yeah, 40 is more sophisticated and harder to teach, but I've always thought it was worth it. While it was always in his play-book, 40 really became Dean's go-to terror weapon during the last 15 years of his career. I watched a game (the famous FSU comeback) on video from that era just the other day, and in one half alone Dean went 43, 42 and 44! (in addition to Man and Point Zone)

Anyway, sorry for being long-winded but I hope that helps...:cool:
 
In a nutshell, the difference is that 30 in our system is Dean's old-school "Run-and-Jump", which is essentially a jump-switch (or double-team) on a funneled dribbler, typically coming from the next-in-line wing defender, whilst the 2 other closest defenders jump the immediate passing lanes as "interceptors" and the remaining guy serving as "goaltender" dropping to the paint.

40 is a bit more sophisticated in that the entire defense morphs on cue from 20 (Man) into a de facto 2-2-1 Zone Trap, and stays as such as long as the ball is on the sideline (where it has been funneled). That means in 42 you can have a wing trap and/or a corner trap. The "interceptor"/"goaltender" roles are the same as in 30, BUT in 40 they continue to rotate reponsibilities based on proximity as long as passes are made along the sideline.

BTW: The second number indicates the "pick-up point", thus 42 would be a half-court deal, 43 three-quarter-court, and 44 full-court.

As I mentioned in the OP, 30 is sort of a hit-and-run attack on the dribbler, whereas in 40 you keep it on as long as the ball doesn't escape to the middle... plus you can continually retrigger it during the same possession on the next funnel or wing pass. Also of note, (and contrary to what some will tell ya) the 40 trap can alternately come from the top on the first wing pass, OR up from the sideline if the opposing dribbler can be funneled down the sideline (as in 30). If it does come up from the wing you can tell it's 40 if we're willing to "chase" the ball around the perimeter if necessary to get doubles.

So yeah, 40 is more sophisticated and harder to teach, but I've always thought it was worth it. While it was always in his play-book, 40 really became Dean's go-to terror weapon during the last 15 years of his career. I watched a game (the famous FSU comeback) on video from that era just the other day, and in one half alone Dean went 43, 42 and 44! (in addition to Man and Point Zone)

Anyway, sorry for being long-winded but I hope that helps...:cool:

Not 100% sure, but I believe that is what sparked the comeback against Michigan in the '93 title game when we were down 10 early. Correct me if that's wrong.
 
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Thanks for the breakdowns...

Gary, I'm wondering how you see us matching up with dOOk? Is that a particularly bad,or good matchup?

Also, given some of the weaknesses of this team...what do you think our ceiling is...final 4...better, or sweet 16 ish. Thanks, and keep the stats n stuff comin.
 
Agreed with you Gary that Seventh really looks better on offense so far (and like he's put on even a little more muscle?). Platek also played really well yesterday.
 
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Thanks for the breakdowns...

Gary, I'm wondering how you see us matching up with dOOk? Is that a particularly bad,or good matchup?

Also, given some of the weaknesses of this team...what do you think our ceiling is...final 4...better, or sweet 16 ish. Thanks, and keep the stats n stuff comin.
Well... I wanna see a bit more of the dookies before I go there. I can already see some potential advantages and disadvantages.

As for the other question, not ready to go any farther than before, i.e., we're a default Sweet-16 team based on the Core + Nas. How far, if any, we're able to surpass that default depends on some key variables beyond the Core and remains to be seen...

(Howz that for a cop-out?;))
 
Well... I wanna see a bit more of the dookies before I go there. I can already see some potential advantages and disadvantages.

As for the other question, not ready to go any farther than before, i.e., we're a default Sweet-16 team based on the Core + Nas. How far, if any, we're able to surpass that default depends on some key variables beyond the Core and remains to be seen...

(Howz that for a cop-out?;))

We will all know more by end of December - some serious tests coming up and looking forward to seeing how this group handles it
 
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Well... I wanna see a bit more of the dookies before I go there. I can already see some potential advantages and disadvantages.

As for the other question, not ready to go any farther than before, i.e., we're a default Sweet-16 team based on the Core + Nas. How far, if any, we're able to surpass that default depends on some key variables beyond the Core and remains to be seen...

(Howz that for a cop-out?;))

Lol wellw just have to wait and see.
 
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