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Mueller Indicts 13 Russian Nationals for Interfering in 2016 US Elections

You've made it obvious that you have no capacity for reasonable, objective discussion about the matter at hand (check the thread title). I've learned not to waste my time with partisan hacks like you. You're welcome to review my poasts in this thread, which have been nothing more than an attempt to clarify the details of the press release. Your poasts, on the other hand, read more like a tantrum.
Thank you again for no real rebuttal."Tantrum" is really a weak effort. I would expect better from you. My poasts are nothing but truth. I know a liberal like you cannot handle the truth. That is OK. I still consider you a a reasonable poaster in everything other than political poasts. I know your time is better spent driving an RV rather than losing a political debate with Louigi.
 
Thank you again for no real rebuttal."Tantrum" is really a weak effort. I would expect better from you. My poasts are nothing but truth. I know a liberal like you cannot handle the truth. That is OK. I still consider you a a reasonable poaster in everything other than political poasts. I know your time is better spent driving an RV rather than losing a political debate with Louigi.

Did you hire the dotard to write this poast for you?
 
Thank you again for no real rebuttal."Tantrum" is really a weak effort. I would expect better from you. My poasts are nothing but truth. I know a liberal like you cannot handle the truth. That is OK. I still consider you a a reasonable poaster in everything other than political poasts. I know your time is better spent driving an RV rather than losing a political debate with Louigi.
Things I have learned in this thread:

1) Louigi's opinions are actually facts (now where I have I heard that before?).
2) I'm a reasonable poaster except when Louigi disagrees with me.
3) Danth's Law is alive and kicking.
 
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[Scene: A courtroom somewhere in the South]

Louigi: Your honor, members of the jury.... Yes, there is overwhelming DNA evidence and eyewitness testimony that the defendant, Nukie, murdered a Hillary Clinton supporter in cold blood. But as my esteemed colleagues at Louigi, Louigi, & Louigi have shown throughout this trial, it could have been much worse. Did you know Craig James killed five hookers when he was in college at SMU? That's like, ten times worse. Therefore, something something something you must acquit.

Lead Juror: Your honor, we don't need any time to discuss. The jury finds Nukie guilty.

Judge: I hereby sentence you to 80 years without parole.

[/Scene]
 
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[Scene: A courtroom somewhere in the South]

Louigi: Your honor, members of the jury.... Yes, there is overwhelming DNA evidence and eyewitness testimony that my client, Nukie, murdered a Hillary Clinton supporter in cold blood. But as my esteemed colleagues at Louigi, Louigi, & Louigi have shown throughout this trail, it could have been much worse. Did you know Craig James murdered five hookers when he was in college at SMU? That's like, ten times worse. Therefore, something something something you must acquit.

Lead Juror: Your honor, we don't need any time to discuss. The jury finds Nukie guilty.

Judge: I hereby sentence you to 80 years without parole.

[/Scene]
Your satire is quite creative, but not funny . Yet here I still wait for you to rebut or address any of the points at hand.

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Your satire is quite creative, but not funny .
Is this an opinion or a fact?
Yet here I still wait for you to rebut or address any of the points at hand.
The points at hand? You mean about the indicted Russian nationals?



(Psst: In case you haven't noticed, I haven't offered an opinion about any of it. That's because I don't know enough about any of it to offer an opinion. Pretty simple, really.)
 
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Is this an opinion or a fact?

The points at hand? You mean about the indicted Russian nationals?



(Psst: In case you haven't noticed, I haven't offered an opinion about any of it. That's because I don't know enough about any of it to offer an opinion. Pretty simple, really.)
Yes, and that was all you had to say to start with instead of being obtuse.
 
Obtuse is my jam. It's fun watching you angrily insist we have the conversation you want to have instead of the one we're actually having.
Likewise. It is fun for me making you think I am angry.
 
Your satire is quite creative, but not funny .
That mock courtroom poast was hilarious. I realize it was at your expense, but it was funny as hell. You've never struck me as having much of a sense of humor.
 
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You aren't making anyone think you're angry.

You might be making a few people think you're stupid though.
Impressive, you found another word in your vocabulary other than moron. It always gives me peace when a millennial liberal resororts to name calling becuase it is admission of defeat. Thanks for playing .
 
Impressive, you found another word in your vocabulary other than moron. It always gives me peace when a millennial liberal resororts to name calling becuase it is admission of defeat. Thanks for playing .
He wasn't playing. He was seriousous.
 
Impressive, you found another word in your vocabulary other than moron. It always gives me peace when a millennial liberal resororts to name calling becuase it is admission of defeat. Thanks for playing .

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Would be nice if they had committed a few less resources to this witch hunt and used their time to stop that Cruz maniac from killing innocent kids.
It would be nice if our president wasn't a corrupt jackass in the first place and never gave the FBI a reason to tie up those resources. That's what you meant to say, right?
 
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It would be nice if our president wasn't a corrupt jackass in the first place and never gave the FBI a reason to tie up those resources. That's what you meant to say, right?
I guess the FBI has about 4 guys on the payroll now?



"The Basics"...

Stop trying to prove that our government is corrupt as hell, and stick to crazy people with guns!
 
A former top aide to Donald Trump's presidential campaign will plead guilty to fraud-related charges within days – and has made clear to prosecutors that he would testify against Paul J. Manafort Jr., the lawyer-lobbyist who once managed the campaign.

The change of heart by Trump's former deputy campaign manager, Richard W. Gates III, who had pleaded not guilty after being indicted in October on charges similar to Manafort's, was described in interviews by people familiar with the case.

"Rick Gates is going to change his plea to guilty,'' said a person with direct knowledge of the new developments, adding that the revised plea will be presented in federal court in Washington "within the next few days.''


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-rick-gates-plea-deal-20180218-story.html


Just thought you'd wanna know . .
 
A former top aide to Donald Trump's presidential campaign will plead guilty to fraud-related charges within days – and has made clear to prosecutors that he would testify against Paul J. Manafort Jr., the lawyer-lobbyist who once managed the campaign.

The change of heart by Trump's former deputy campaign manager, Richard W. Gates III, who had pleaded not guilty after being indicted in October on charges similar to Manafort's, was described in interviews by people familiar with the case.

"Rick Gates is going to change his plea to guilty,'' said a person with direct knowledge of the new developments, adding that the revised plea will be presented in federal court in Washington "within the next few days.''


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-rick-gates-plea-deal-20180218-story.html


Just thought you'd wanna know . .


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It would be nice if our president wasn't a corrupt jackass in the first place and never gave the FBI a reason to tie up those resources. That's what you meant to say, right?

Sure, however you want to swing it, it’d be nice if they had their priorities in a different order.
 
Not allowing our government to be run/influenced by a foreign power seems like an obvious priority...
So our government is run by a bunch of Facebook ads? And we are learning the 56% of Russia placed ads were AFTER the election. No, it is not an obvious priority on tracking who pays for Facebook and social media ads. I can think of 1000 more priorities than this.

What is an obvious priority is investigating illegal police state tactics used by Obama administration to wiretap and surveil Trump Campaign. Lying to FISA court with fake Dossier information for political reasons against your rival. Lying to a FISA court Judge is illegal. Running Facebook ads are not.

By the way, where are all the liberal anti police state activists? They are eerily silent.

It is just funny as hell watching all you liberals spin this Russia thing to absurdity. Keep going on the road to nowhere because it is a loser. As long is liberals are focused on losers, that is a good thing.
 
And we are learning the 56% of Russia placed ads were AFTER the election.
True, but that's a gross oversimplification of their operations. Only about 10 million Americans saw the ads, but about 126 million Americans saw other social media content created by the Russian nationals.

I read the indictment this morning and it's fascinating. The Russian nationals allegedly created hundreds of fictitious social media accounts portraying U.S. personas and groups that garnered millions of followers. The accounts focused on a number of hot-button issues:

- Immigration ("Secure Borders")
- Black Lives Matter ("Blactivist")
- Religion ("United Muslims of America", "Army of Jesus")

From the indictment: "They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump." There's more detail in the indictment, like how they encouraged black voters to not vote for Hillary, how they promulgated stories about Democrats committing voter fraud, etc.

As the old joke goes, think of somebody you know of average intelligence. Now consider that half the country is made up of people less intelligent than that. Does anyone think an unsuspecting viewer might be swayed by these tactics? I certainly do.

It's impossible to measure the impact so I'll leave it to the rest of you to argue about. I do think we all should be more conscientious about how we consume information, though.
 
Does anyone think an unsuspecting viewer might be swayed by these tactics? I certainly do.
I don't think it really made much of a difference for a couple of reasons. The most obvious reason is that Hilary won the popular vote and she also won the younger vote. The younger voters are more likely to use social media as their source for news. Also, if I understand it correctly, what you see in your Facebook feed is based on an algorithm calculated by your past actions. Trump supporters were already likely to have been involved with Trump type issues even before he was running. That means, at least in theory, that the people seeing these ads were going to vote for Trump already. I'm not saying that it didn't influence anyone. I just think it's an extremely small number that didn't really make a difference.

ETA: You also have to assume that everyone that saw the ads actually voted, which is doubtful.
 
and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.

Interesting that the Ruskies thought Bernie would be a detrimental Prez as well, considering he and Trump were on opposite ends of the candidate pool. I’m curious to know if he had won, if this investigation would be taking place.
 
Interesting that the Ruskies thought Bernie would be a detrimental Prez as well, considering he and Trump were on opposite ends of the candidate pool. I’m curious to know if he had won, if this investigation would be taking place.
I'm guessing it had more to do with wanting Hilary to lose than it did wanting Bernie to win.
 
Not arguing, just clarifying a couple things:
The most obvious reason is that Hilary won the popular vote....
The Russians' alleged activity was specifically focused on purple states. The rallies they helped organize were located in swing states like Florida. They understood the importance of the Electoral College.

...and she also won the younger vote. The younger voters are more likely to use social media as their source for news.
The socials media accounts weren't set up as news organizations. They were set up as special interest groups or individuals with specific areas of political focus.

Also, if I understand it correctly, what you see in your Facebook feed is based on an algorithm calculated by your past actions. Trump supporters were already likely to have been involved with Trump type issues even before he was running. That means, at least in theory, that the people seeing these ads were going to vote for Trump already.
Right, but the activities weren't aimed at them. They were aimed at undecided voters. So in theory, a black voter who was considering voting for Hillary might have been dissuaded by repeated posts about how Bernie or Jill Stein would better represent BLM and related interests.

ETA: You also have to assume that everyone that saw the ads actually voted, which is doubtful.
True, but you also have to wonder if it discouraged viewers from voting at all. Turnout for the base that propelled Obama to victory was relatively low in 2016.
 
The socials media accounts weren't set up as news organizations. They were set up as special interest groups or individuals with specific areas of political focus.
Ok. I would think those were still seen by more younger people though just based off the average age of a Facebook user.

Right, but the activities weren't aimed at them. They were aimed at undecided voters. So in theory, a black voter who was considering voting for Hillary might have been dissuaded by repeated posts about how Bernie or Jill Stein would better represent BLM and related interests.
That's a good point, but I'm not so sure the undecided voters would have seen most of it. From what I understand, most of these weren't really seen as moderate and were pretty far to the right. I would think that would limit the exposure to mostly Trump supporters based on the algorithm. Although one could argue targeting the Trump supporter could possibly help increase his turnout.

True, but you also have to wonder if it discouraged viewers from voting at all. Turnout for the base that propelled Obama to victory was relatively low in 2016.
Another good point. That being said I think that had more to do with her being almost as unpopular as Trump. And if we are being honest about it, Obama being black inflated the black vote.
 
Ok. I would think those were still seen by more younger people though just based off the average age of a Facebook user.
I thought Facebook users' ages skewed a lot older? Keep in mind they were also using Twitter, Instagram, and other social media platforms. I really only use Twitter, and I was seeing so much trash (liberal and conservative) that I had to unfollow tons of people who kept retweeting it into my feed.

That's a good point, but I'm not so sure the undecided voters would have seen most of it. From what I understand, most of these weren't really seen as moderate and were pretty far to the right. I would think that would limit the exposure to mostly Trump supporters based on the algorithm. Although one could argue targeting the Trump supporter could possibly help increase his turnout.
I don't really know but agree on the point about turnout. The indictment didn't specify the activities that were designed to harm Cruz and Rubio. It would be interesting to know more about that side of the operation.

Another good point. That being said I think that had more to do with her being almost as unpopular as Trump. And if we are being honest about it, Obama being black inflated the black vote.
Absolutely on both points. I've been pretty clear about my disdain of Clinton. If the Democrats had nominated a better candidate this story might never have received nearly the amount of attention it has. Good luck to history books authors, lol.
 
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More indictments coming down on both Manafort & Gates today . . allegedly, more than $75 million were laundered in offshore accounts.

Mueller isn't playing around . . and former Trump campaign Manager Manafort may die in prison.

This is why State charges are important, 45 cannot pardon them.

"Special counsel Robert Mueller’s office has told a federal judge it has found evidence that Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman, committed bank fraud not addressed by the indictment last October in which he was charged with money laundering and failure to register as a foreign agent."


https://crooksandliars.com/2018/02/mueller-manafort-committed-bank-fraud
 
More indictments coming down on both Manafort & Gates today . . allegedly, more than $75 million were laundered in offshore accounts.

Mueller isn't playing around . . and former Trump campaign Manager Manafort may die in prison.

This is why State charges are important, 45 cannot pardon them.

"Special counsel Robert Mueller’s office has told a federal judge it has found evidence that Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman, committed bank fraud not addressed by the indictment last October in which he was charged with money laundering and failure to register as a foreign agent."


https://crooksandliars.com/2018/02/mueller-manafort-committed-bank-fraud
Thanks Nuk.....Er I mean Billy
 
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