Nate Britt

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by BWill23:

Originally posted by plm:
^^i dont think we necessary recruit kids that cant play D as much as we recruit younger kids that are highly ranked and they don't quite develop as planned. both Nate and JP were 5 star top 10-20 recruits early in their high school careers and maybe they were just overrated or didnt continue to develop. by that time Roy had developed relationships with both them and the families and had made offers. i don't see Roy as the type that backs off of kids once he has made a relationship with the family--as it should be.

If a kid isn't developing and is actually falling in the ranking, you want Roy to stick with them because he has a relationship with them?

Sorry, but I don't agree.

And that's understandable. I'm sure many people think like you. After all, Roy's paid to win games. However, in regards to honoring relationships and offers that have already been extended, by doing so, that can actually pay off in the long run. Families like to see that. If Roy gets a reputation of dropping kids when they have a bad summer, it will be harder for him to get his foot in the door with the next recruit.

 

[HeelFan58]

I just don't see Stillman White pushing for playing time. He just lacks the athleticism and he surely cannot drive into the paint.

 

[GoNtheDistance]

a lot of great points and analysis. I think generally speaking the theme seems to be that Nate Britt is a piece of our puzzle for next year, but I think we all agree that if we want to take the next steps in terms of wins/losses, his role should be minimal or used in spots in which he can be successful.

I also agree with the above poster about Stilman White. I completely disagree with any notion that he will push for playing time next year. Stilman is a good piece of our team and surely works hard to make our guys better in practice but any reliance on him to contribute minutes in game situations isn't a solid train of thought in my opinion.

 

[plm]

Bwill i get where you are coming from but like GSD said i think once Roy makes his offer and has built the relationship he is a man of his word even if it might not be option A at the present time. i do think Roy should not be as loyal once they are on the team-- i personally thought berry should have been playing over britt from day one but Roy does value the upperclass status a little more than i would like.

 

[BWill23]

Originally posted by gunslingerdick:

Originally posted by BWill23:

Originally posted by plm:
^^i dont think we necessary recruit kids that cant play D as much as we recruit younger kids that are highly ranked and they don't quite develop as planned. both Nate and JP were 5 star top 10-20 recruits early in their high school careers and maybe they were just overrated or didnt continue to develop. by that time Roy had developed relationships with both them and the families and had made offers. i don't see Roy as the type that backs off of kids once he has made a relationship with the family--as it should be.

If a kid isn't developing and is actually falling in the ranking, you want Roy to stick with them because he has a relationship with them?

Sorry, but I don't agree.

And that's understandable. I'm sure many people think like you. After all, Roy's paid to win games. However, in regards to honoring relationships and offers that have already been extended, by doing so, that can actually pay off in the long run. Families like to see that. If Roy gets a reputation of dropping kids when they have a bad summer, it will be harder for him to get his foot in the door with the next recruit.

If the offer is already made, then by all means honor it.

I'm saying that if you haven't offered yet and a guy is falling in recruiting rankings and what not, then sometimes it's best to back away.

 

[BillyL]

Roy has had offers out to kids and then something may have taken a twist or turn in the recruitment, holding an offer doesn't make it a commitable offer necessarily.

I think Coach tries very hard to stay out of those situations by taking the extra time to fully evaluate the recruit/family . . sometimes it may seem like he offers later than other coaches may, it's a process with Roy and one that he rarely alters.

I think that when he was recruiting Nate, he was looking to have a PG that could fly down the court with the ball, Nate was a single piece to a puzzle that Roy had envisioned. Nobody is faster than Nate with the ball from end to end . . he pushes the pace on offense.

 

[gary-7]

Originally posted by BillyL:

Roy has had offers out to kids and then something may have taken a twist or turn in the recruitment, holding an offer doesn't make it a commitable offer necessarily.

I think Coach tries very hard to stay out of those situations by taking the extra time to fully evaluate the recruit/family . . sometimes it may seem like he offers later than other coaches may, it's a process with Roy and one that he rarely alters.

I think that when he was recruiting Nate, he was looking to have a PG that could fly down the court with the ball, Nate was a single piece to a puzzle that Roy had envisioned. Nobody is faster than Nate with the ball from end to end . . he pushes the pace on offense.

In the months after Roy offered Nate on two separate occasions I had guys who are heavily involved in AAU ask me (knowing I was a Carolina guy) why I thought Roy was recruiting him. They both were genuinely curious, and the reasons they gave for said curiosity was pretty much identical, of the gist of 'Britt just doesn't seem like a Carolina PG'. The only answer I could come up with was, indeed, his ability to get up and down the floor... plus, I assumed he was likely a good kid.

After checking him out further, that had to be it, because what these guys were referring to was that Nate wasn't the floor general type or cracker-jack passer that UNC is known for, nor was he an adept perimeter shooter at that point. I think, as I posted ITT, that Roy saw raw potential in his speed and handle and hoped he could apprentice into a more complete PG, and yeah, a piece to a puzzle.

The shooting, at least, is coming along. How the other stuff progresses will likely determine how big a piece he will be...

 

[redyns54]

Nate is a good kid. Decent shooter when wide open. But that's about it. Can make little happen as a point. Cannot create his own shot. And even layups in traffic are 50/50 whether they hit the rim. But the biggest problem is on the defensive end. Roy may like his speed, and that is fine as long as the whole game is spent in transition. But his lateral quickness is a huge problem. He often has to play so far off that he gives up a clean look. And I have seen very few at his size that are so way to drive on. He does some good things from time to time, but I would be shocked if Berry didn't get 90% of playing time if a battle for that slot was between them next year.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Originally posted by HeelFan58:

I just don't see Stillman White pushing for playing time. He just lacks the athleticism and he surely cannot drive into the paint.

Did you know that lil rascal can DUNK?

 

[ChapelHeeled]

Dammmed guys...



Some very good points in this thread by some long time posters. However, I do consider Nate Britt to be a very good PG when his role is defined much better. He is very quick and he has a lot of upside at the college level (jmho). Having stated that I will now attempt to finish this post in the next paragraph.




This thread was started by a guy with a grand total of three posts before starting this thread. Ragging on Nate is his stated reason for the thread. Then BWill22 comes along with about 10 total posts and continues the theme having been started when the thread began. Now I feel certain that both of these fine folks love Nate so very, very much! Just wanted to point out the possible "Drive-Bye", as I see it...

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Well we all started with a post count of 1.

Trust us to always take note of new faces and you don't need to point that out to your mod team.

 

[babe7671]

ChapelHeeled, I've been on this site for a long, long time. I just decided to start posting on the message board recently. I don't think any of my posts has ever been degrading or ragging on anyone. Just asked the simple question of how people thought Britt could improve himself in the off-season to see what other Heels fans think. That's the great thing about message boards, everyone has a valuable opinion whether it's their 3rd post, 10th post, or 10,000th post.

 

[BillyL]

Originally posted by babe7671:

ChapelHeeled, I've been on this site for a long, long time. I just decided to start posting on the message board recently. I don't think any of my posts has ever been degrading or ragging on anyone. Just asked the simple question of how people thought Britt could improve himself in the off-season to see what other Heels fans think. That's the great thing about message boards, everyone has a valuable opinion whether it's their 3rd post, 10th post, or 10,000th post.

I'm glad you decided to start posting, 7671 . . we can always use a few more good posters 'round here.

Same for BWill23 . . .

Welcome to the board, guys . .

 

[BWill23]

Originally posted by ChapelHeeled:



Dammmed guys...



Some very good points in this thread by some long time posters. However, I do consider Nate Britt to be a very good PG when his role is defined much better. He is very quick and he has a lot of upside at the college level (jmho). Having stated that I will now attempt to finish this post in the next paragraph.




This thread was started by a guy with a grand total of three posts before starting this thread. Ragging on Nate is his stated reason for the thread. Then BWill22 comes along with about 10 total posts and continues the theme having been started when the thread began. Now I feel certain that both of these fine folks love Nate so very, very much! Just wanted to point out the possible "Drive-Bye", as I see it...

Sorry that just joining isn't sitting well with you, nor do I have time to post on here all day to get to the grand total of 1,240 posts.

That doesn't make my opinion any less valid than yours, or any other poster that is new or doesn't post much.

I'm curious. What bench mark of total number of posts makes my opinion worth considering? After we get done with this NCAA season, I probably won't post much until next season. When the season is over I will generally move on. Not a "fly by" as I will be around more next season. Sorry.

 

[BWill23]

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by babe7671:

ChapelHeeled, I've been on this site for a long, long time. I just decided to start posting on the message board recently. I don't think any of my posts has ever been degrading or ragging on anyone. Just asked the simple question of how people thought Britt could improve himself in the off-season to see what other Heels fans think. That's the great thing about message boards, everyone has a valuable opinion whether it's their 3rd post, 10th post, or 10,000th post.

I'm glad you decided to start posting, 7671 . . we can always use a few more good posters 'round here.

Same for BWill23 . . .

Welcome to the board, guys . .

Thank you!

Been reading for a while too. Decided to post a little. Probably won't be a chronic poster, but will try to contribute a little when next season is rolling along.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by BWill23:

Originally posted by ChapelHeeled:



Dammmed guys...



Some very good points in this thread by some long time posters. However, I do consider Nate Britt to be a very good PG when his role is defined much better. He is very quick and he has a lot of upside at the college level (jmho). Having stated that I will now attempt to finish this post in the next paragraph.




This thread was started by a guy with a grand total of three posts before starting this thread. Ragging on Nate is his stated reason for the thread. Then BWill22 comes along with about 10 total posts and continues the theme having been started when the thread began. Now I feel certain that both of these fine folks love Nate so very, very much! Just wanted to point out the possible "Drive-Bye", as I see it...

Sorry that just joining isn't sitting well with you, nor do I have time to post on here all day to get to the grand total of 1,240 posts.

That doesn't make my opinion any less valid than yours, or any other poster that is new or doesn't post much.

I'm curious. What bench mark of total number of posts makes my opinion worth considering? After we get done with this NCAA season, I probably won't post much until next season. When the season is over I will generally move on. Not a "fly by" as I will be around more next season. Sorry.

There are some that get hung up on the post count thing. I don't really. But I will say that we are a fickle bunch and I do think that to some degree, you have to earn your stripes around here. That doesn't mean that I won't consider your opinion. But I do think that it's hard for newbies to get the benefit of the doubt when touching on certain topics - being critical of our own guys being one of them.

Anyway, you seem like a reasonable and knowledgeable poster. We can always use more of that.

 

[BillyL]

Originally posted by gunslingerdick:

Originally posted by BWill23:

Originally posted by ChapelHeeled:



Dammmed guys...



Some very good points in this thread by some long time posters. However, I do consider Nate Britt to be a very good PG when his role is defined much better. He is very quick and he has a lot of upside at the college level (jmho). Having stated that I will now attempt to finish this post in the next paragraph.




This thread was started by a guy with a grand total of three posts before starting this thread. Ragging on Nate is his stated reason for the thread. Then BWill22 comes along with about 10 total posts and continues the theme having been started when the thread began. Now I feel certain that both of these fine folks love Nate so very, very much! Just wanted to point out the possible "Drive-Bye", as I see it...

Sorry that just joining isn't sitting well with you, nor do I have time to post on here all day to get to the grand total of 1,240 posts.

That doesn't make my opinion any less valid than yours, or any other poster that is new or doesn't post much.

I'm curious. What bench mark of total number of posts makes my opinion worth considering? After we get done with this NCAA season, I probably won't post much until next season. When the season is over I will generally move on. Not a "fly by" as I will be around more next season. Sorry.

There are some that get hung up on the post count thing. I don't really. But I will say that we are a fickle bunch and I do think that to some degree, you have to earn your stripes around here. That doesn't mean that I won't consider your opinion. But I do think that it's hard for newbies to get the benefit of the doubt when touching on certain topics - being critical of our own guys being one of them.

Anyway, you seem like a reasonable and knowledgeable poster. We can always use more of that.

Wait . . . . we actually have to earn stripes here . . ?

 

[BWill23]

Originally posted by gunslingerdick:

Originally posted by BWill23:

Originally posted by ChapelHeeled:



Dammmed guys...



Some very good points in this thread by some long time posters. However, I do consider Nate Britt to be a very good PG when his role is defined much better. He is very quick and he has a lot of upside at the college level (jmho). Having stated that I will now attempt to finish this post in the next paragraph.




This thread was started by a guy with a grand total of three posts before starting this thread. Ragging on Nate is his stated reason for the thread. Then BWill22 comes along with about 10 total posts and continues the theme having been started when the thread began. Now I feel certain that both of these fine folks love Nate so very, very much! Just wanted to point out the possible "Drive-Bye", as I see it...

Sorry that just joining isn't sitting well with you, nor do I have time to post on here all day to get to the grand total of 1,240 posts.

That doesn't make my opinion any less valid than yours, or any other poster that is new or doesn't post much.

I'm curious. What bench mark of total number of posts makes my opinion worth considering? After we get done with this NCAA season, I probably won't post much until next season. When the season is over I will generally move on. Not a "fly by" as I will be around more next season. Sorry.

There are some that get hung up on the post count thing. I don't really. But I will say that we are a fickle bunch and I do think that to some degree, you have to earn your stripes around here. That doesn't mean that I won't consider your opinion. But I do think that it's hard for newbies to get the benefit of the doubt when touching on certain topics - being critical of our own guys being one of them.

Anyway, you seem like a reasonable and knowledgeable poster. We can always use more of that.

Thank you!

Looking forward to some good chatting next season. I don't follow recruiting that much and won't post much when NCAA season is officially over.

 

[DSouthr]

First off I could give 2 hoots over post count, I would be more than happy to see my post count go down to zero. How many times you have posted means very little to me, what ya have to say means everything to me.

Next, I take a thread like this one as my opportunity to evaluate a player and share the way I see it, doesn't mean a single person has to agree with me, agree with me doesn't matter, I would rather argue my point any way, I learn more when I have to defend my argument, I enjoy that. But just because I point out what I see as a weakness in a player doesn't mean anything but just that, it is an area I feel the kid needs to work on and the off season IMO is the better time to talk about those kind of things.

Yeah, I am tuff on Nate and no, I am not sold that he is a kid able to play at the level we need him to in order to really help this team. I really hope I am 100% wrong about that, I REALLY would love to see nate prove me wrong !!! But for now I call it as I see it and considering how drastic a drop off there was for Nate's PT over the second half of the ACC slate, Roy sure seems ot agree with me.

 

[toophly1124]

Originally posted by DSouthr:

First off I could give 2 hoots over post count, I would be more than happy to see my post count go down to zero. How many times you have posted means very little to me, what ya have to say means everything to me.

Next, I take a thread like this one as my opportunity to evaluate a player and share the way I see it, doesn't mean a single person has to agree with me, agree with me doesn't matter, I would rather argue my point any way, I learn more when I have to defend my argument, I enjoy that. But just because I point out what I see as a weakness in a player doesn't mean anything but just that, it is an area I feel the kid needs to work on and the off season IMO is the better time to talk about those kind of things.

Yeah, I am tuff on Nate and no, I am not sold that he is a kid able to play at the level we need him to in order to really help this team. I really hope I am 100% wrong about that, I REALLY would love to see nate prove me wrong !!! But for now I call it as I see it and considering how drastic a drop off there was for Nate's PT over the second half of the ACC slate, Roy sure seems ot agree with me.

DSouthr zero hoots given son .. I like it

 

[RoseHeel]

Originally posted by DSouthr:

First off I could give 2 hoots over post count, I would be more than happy to see my post count go down to zero. How many times you have posted means very little to me, what ya have to say means everything to me.

Next, I take a thread like this one as my opportunity to evaluate a player and share the way I see it, doesn't mean a single person has to agree with me, agree with me doesn't matter, I would rather argue my point any way, I learn more when I have to defend my argument, I enjoy that. But just because I point out what I see as a weakness in a player doesn't mean anything but just that, it is an area I feel the kid needs to work on and the off season IMO is the better time to talk about those kind of things.

Yeah, I am tuff on Nate and no, I am not sold that he is a kid able to play at the level we need him to in order to really help this team. I really hope I am 100% wrong about that, I REALLY would love to see nate prove me wrong !!! But for now I call it as I see it and considering how drastic a drop off there was for Nate's PT over the second half of the ACC slate, Roy sure seems ot agree with me.

Great Post!

 

[ChapelHeeled]

low number of posts that jump one of our guys when some consider transferring from wherever they may be is something that I do watch... Folks, we have a team returning that will compete for the National Championship next season. Just do not want to lose anyone that we need and/or may need. Carry on...