NCAA Denies Walker's Latest Appeal

[andrew jones]

it’s coming

They won't because it would be reforming exactly what they are escaping. The NCAA is the member schools, so the new overseeing organization would be that as well. But the difference is the power schools that left would then have to pay for everything, there wouldn't be a $billion NCAA Tournament golden egg to fund everything.

The schools already run the NCAA, they just do an awful job of it. And because of that, we have cases like Tez's.

 

[tarheel0910]

I am not sure he can play, because that would protect his status, but his status has always been that he's ineligible. If the was eligible and then ruled ineligible yesterday, you'd be on to something. But as it is, he would need a full clearance by the NCAA in order to play.

I'm not claiming to be a legal expert, but I believe the idea behind the TRO is to say that the rule is wrong and should never have applied. And the only way to stop the damage would be to stop the NCAA from enforcing the rule until a trial is over. The issue would be what happens if he ultimately doesn't win. Would the NCAA then say we committed a violation.

 

[tarheel0910]

They won't because it would be reforming exactly what they are escaping. The NCAA is the member schools, so the new overseeing organization would be that as well. But the difference is the power schools that left would then have to pay for everything, there wouldn't be a $billion NCAA Tournament golden egg to fund everything.

The schools already run the NCAA, they just do an awful job of it. And because of that, we have cases like Tez's.

Regarding the money, I think the easy way to do that is by setting up TV contracts similar to the NFL. Have the networks pay for the right to air the games they want. Not just a specific conference. That money would be split equally. Then have a separate contract for playoff games that are split between the participants.

These P4 teams don't want to be held back by the smaller schools and that's happening now. You could probably have something like 64 teams make up a new organization for football. Have a 32 team East/West league then split that into four divisions of eight based on geography. Division winners play in playoffs, then East West for championship.

Just to clarify, this would only be for football. All the other sports would stay the same. I guess you could do it for basketball as well, but Olympic sports wouldn't work since they aren't profitable.

 

[TVJ]

I am not sure he can play, because that would protect his status, but his status has always been that he's ineligible. If the was eligible and then ruled ineligible yesterday, you'd be on to something. But as it is, he would need a full clearance by the NCAA in order to play.

I'm still not clear on how he was "ineligible" when the rule he supposedly violated didn't exist at the time he made his move.

 

[RHFD]

If he went to Bama he would be playing.

 

[gteeitup]

 

[tarheel0910]

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I watch his show sometimes. Pretty fun watch. He's spot on here.

 

[andrew jones]

I'm still not clear on how he was "ineligible" when the rule he supposedly violated didn't exist at the time he made his move.

Becuase as of Jan. 11 he became ineligible because the NCAA applied the rule to him and a lot of other players in his situation.

 

[gteeitup]

Becuase as of Jan. 11 he became ineligible because the NCAA applied the rule to him and a lot of other players in his situation.

that would be in my interrogatories during discovery…😉

 

[2DDIMOND]

I watch his show sometimes. Pretty fun watch. He's spot on here.

McAfee is great. A little like Dakitch but not nearly as abrasive as Dakitch. More vulgar, but I’m ok with that.

 

[JimmyinVA]

sue them for the estimated NIL he would have earned plus one year's delayed salary in the NFL and of course emotional and punitive damages. sue the individuals on the committee, not just the NCAA. i'm dammed sick of people not being held accountable for hurting others.

 

[CarolinaBlue5]

Going to need the other TE’s to step up with Copenhaver having a hand injury.

Is he out today?

 

[tarheels0015]

Get judge Judy like person to overturn the ncaa decision like Monday

 

[39 Feet Above Sea Level]

Tez is ineligible to play for the Heels.
Brad Rozner (NCSU) caught a touchdown pass for the Pack vs ND yesterday.
He began playing college football in 2016.
He played two seasons at Cisco, four seasons at Rice, now he is a grad student at NCSU.
THIS IS HIS EIGHTH SEASON OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL. 🤫🤨

 

[tarheelbybirth]

They won't because it would be reforming exactly what they are escaping. The NCAA is the member schools, so the new overseeing organization would be that as well. But the difference is the power schools that left would then have to pay for everything, there wouldn't be a $billion NCAA Tournament golden egg to fund everything.

The schools already run the NCAA, they just do an awful job of it. And because of that, we have cases like Tez's.

Of the nine voting members on the Board of Governors we have:

the president of Div III Springfield College, a VP from the Boston Celtics, the president of Div II Minot State University, a graduated Division III student-athlete and the Surgeon-General of the US Army. Of the four from Div I...one is the commissioner of the OVC and another is the president of the University of Central Arkansas.

I recognize the importance of bringing in outside voices but on the 9-member BOG...two come from schools that pay the bills. Nobody is paying a billion dollars to watch Minot St.

 

[tarheel0910]

Board of Trustees is meeting today about Tez. Not sure what they could do about it, but I hope they at least advise him to sue.

 

[NBBears20124ACHAMPS]

 

[bluetoe]

They won't because it would be reforming exactly what they are escaping. The NCAA is the member schools, so the new overseeing organization would be that as well. But the difference is the power schools that left would then have to pay for everything, there wouldn't be a $billion NCAA Tournament golden egg to fund everything.

The schools already run the NCAA, they just do an awful job of it. And because of that, we have cases like Tez's.

I honestly think that the average college football fan doesn't understand this. I used to try to get this across to people on the Main Board, because their postings indicated that they thought that the NCAA was some independent agency with power of discipline over all schools as a group. Some even thought it had or should have had legal authority to charge crimes.

The problem is that they do have the authority and power given to them by the member schools. There is no way such a large number of members could rule over their athletics without the creation of a representative body. And the structure is such that if a school has thoughts of divorcing from the NCAA, it would have to get a reasonable body of other schools to go with it. But other schools are not going to stick their necks out that way unless they too are currently under the gun or feel historically picked on.

You can believe that the NCAA is political and self-serving. They make their rulings mostly judiciously but always craftily. They also don't want to rock the boat enough to cause more than a few ripples at a time, largely because of the reason above..

Take Miami's fiasco NCAA investigation of their football program. They dropped everything because some evidence was collected improperly from a LEGAL standpoint. And unless you were sleeping in a cave somewhere, you know that they (Miami) were as dirty as dirty comes at that time.

There was no reason for that to have caused them to not complete their investigation and ensuing actions, because, as I said, they are not a law enforcement agency and are not bound to follow the rules that a LEA does. I imagine they used that as an excuse because Miami let them know that they would blow the lid off the whole dirty mess, just as I think we did with our little run-in with them.

 

[Roady]

Also I believe there a factions that don’t want this player on the field for UNC. If it was another program I believe the outcome would be different.

FSU's Darrel Jackson was also denied a waiver....

Jackson transferred to Florida State this past offseason to be closer to his mother, who has a medical condition. Jackson grew up in Havana, Florida, about 20 minutes outside the Florida State campus in Tallahassee.

The two "no votes"...coincidence ?

 

[tarheel0910]

I honestly think that the average college football fan doesn't understand this. I used to try to get this across to people on the Main Board, because their postings indicated that they thought that the NCAA was some independent agency with power of discipline over all schools as a group. Some even thought it had or should have had legal authority to charge crimes.

The problem is that they do have the authority and power given to them by the member schools. There is no way such a large number of members could rule over their athletics without the creation of a representative body. And the structure is such that if a school has thoughts of divorcing from the NCAA, it would have to get a reasonable body of other schools to go with it. But other schools are not going to stick their necks out that way unless they too are currently under the gun or feel historically picked on.

You can believe that the NCAA is political and self-serving. They make their rulings mostly judiciously but always craftily. They also don't want to rock the boat enough to cause more than a few ripples at a time, largely because of the reason above..

Take Miami's fiasco NCAA investigation of their football program. They dropped everything because some evidence was collected improperly from a LEGAL standpoint. And unless you were sleeping in a cave somewhere, you know that they (Miami) were as dirty as dirty comes at that time.

There was no reason for that to have caused them to not complete their investigation and ensuing actions, because, as I said, they are not a law enforcement agency and are not bound to follow the rules that a LEA does. I imagine they used that as an excuse because Miami let them know that they would blow the lid off the whole dirty mess, just as I think we did with our little run-in with them.

The problem is a school like Alabama doesn't want the same rules as Northwest College of University State. But the way it's currently set up schools like Alabama has to have those rules. That's why the P4 has been pushing for autonomy. I think my example I gave in a previous post would be easy to do.

 

[bluetoe]

I think my example I gave in a previous post would be easy to do.

except you're talking more about the monies, I think, and I'm talking more about getting out from under the NCAA's wayward management. Even with your setup, you need a governing body like the NCAA. Of course, I may have misunderstood.

What will help (and hurt) is when the pretense of the student-athlete becomes completely discredited, and an organization like the NCAA won't spend most of its energy trying to maintain the pretense.

 

[tarheel0910]

except you're talking more about the monies, I think, and I'm talking more about getting out from under the NCAA's wayward management. Even with your setup, you need a governing body like the NCAA. Of course, I may have misunderstood.

What will help (and hurt) is when the pretense of the student-athlete becomes completely discredited, and an organization like the NCAA won't spend most of its energy trying to maintain the pretense.

While it wouldn't be something that could be done overnight a small, relatively speaking, group of teams can come up with something like the NCAA. Especially since they would only be concentrating on one sport. These teams basically want to be able to do whatever they want, with very little rules. All they would need to do is rip out the pages of the current rules they don't like.

 

[bluetoe]

While it wouldn't be something that could be done overnight a small, relatively speaking, group of teams can come up with something like the NCAA. Especially since they would only be concentrating on one sport. These teams basically want to be able to do whatever they want, with very little rules. All they would need to do is rip out the pages of the current rules they don't like.

except for the fact that the NCAA rules that are the most objectionable are the ones that serve to maintain the 'amateurism' aspect of college sports. Those would have to be created all over again if the facade of amateurism was to still be propped up.

The problem with the NCAA now is that it has come to serve more as a funnel for the universities, serving mostly to help them avoid losing the revenue these athletes produce. I doubt they spend half their energy on making and maintaining a level playing field between schools. To have them pick up on recruiting cheating, a recruit might have to walk up to Baker in public and slap him in the face with a stack of fifties. Even then they would slow-roll the investigation until it mostly went away.

 

[tarheel0910]

except for the fact that the NCAA rules that are the most objectionable are the ones that serve to maintain the 'amateurism' aspect of college sports. Those would have to be created all over again if the facade of amateurism was to still be propped up.

The problem with the NCAA now is that it has come to serve more as a funnel for the universities, serving mostly to help them avoid losing the revenue these athletes produce. I doubt they spend half their energy on making and maintaining a level playing field between schools. To have them pick up on recruiting cheating, a recruit might have to walk up to Baker in public and slap him in the face with a stack of fifties. Even then they would slow-roll the investigation until it mostly went away.

One, no one actually believes in the "amateurism" label. That facade was broken decades ago. Two, the powerful schools don't care about how it looks. All they care about is winning and control. Most, if not all, would have no problem paying these players a salary. The reason they aren't paid now is because of the smaller schools they want to get away from.

 

[bluetoe]

One, no one actually believes in the "amateurism" label. That facade was broken decades ago. Two, the powerful schools don't care about how it looks. All they care about is winning and control. Most, if not all, would have no problem paying these players a salary. The reason they aren't paid now is because of the smaller schools they want to get away from.

you're wrong. Most fans would tell you these players are amateurs, simply because the schools by way of the NCAA feeds them that bullshit. And if your simple criteria for being an amateur is that you aren't making a salary, they are right. But they are providing a service for which they are being compensated, and they are recruited to provide that service and not to be a student.

But even Congress has decided that they are amateurs, at least for the time being. As well as the courts...so far.

And actually, the more powerful schools...if by powerful you mean they field the better football programs...care a great deal about being seen as dealing with amateurs. Because their continuing to be powerful depends on it. ALL the schools want the facade to be propped up, especially those that are REALLY making bank on it. If they didn't they'd simply drop out of the NCAA.

What you're somehow missing is that whereas those schools would be perfectly willing to pay the players a salary, there would be no reason to...because college football as it exists now would no longer be. There's a word for athletes who get paid...'professional'.

At some point it will be necessary to figure out how college ball might continue once they are paid and workmen's comp, etc., is in the picture. Some schools would be perfectly willing to continue as 'club' ball with a school affiliation, but most schools just wouldn't see the benefit in doing so.

I don't mean to say that no one else sees it for what it is. Of course, many do. But even many of those who do, give it a wink and a nod because they don't want it to end. I don't want it to end either, but the hypocrisy is revolting to me.

 

[tarheel0910]

you're wrong. Most fans would tell you these players are amateurs, simply because the schools by way of the NCAA feeds them that bullshit. And if your simple criteria for being an amateur is that you aren't making a salary, they are right. But they are providing a service for which they are being compensated, and they are recruited to provide that service and not to be a student.

But even Congress has decided that they are amateurs, at least for the time being. As well as the courts...so far.

And actually, the more powerful schools...if by powerful you mean they field the better football programs...care a great deal about being seen as dealing with amateurs. Because their continuing to be powerful depends on it. ALL the schools want the facade to be propped up, especially those that are REALLY making bank on it. If they didn't they'd simply drop out of the NCAA.

What you're somehow missing is that whereas those schools would be perfectly willing to pay the players a salary, there would be no reason to...because college football as it exists now would no longer be. There's a word for athletes who get paid...'professional'.

At some point it will be necessary to figure out how college ball might continue once they are paid and workmen's comp, etc., is in the picture. Some schools would be perfectly willing to continue as 'club' ball with a school affiliation, but most schools just wouldn't see the benefit in doing so.

I don't mean to say that no one else sees it for what it is. Of course, many do. But even many of those who do, give it a wink and a nod because they don't want it to end. I don't want it to end either, but the hypocrisy is revolting to me.

I think you've got your head in the sand if you think most people believe in the whole "student athlete" thing. You're stuck in the past either because you refuse to recognize what is happening or you (collectively, not you specifically) think you could actually do something to stop it.

 

[bluetoe]

I think you've got your head in the sand if you think most people believe in the whole "student athlete" thing. You're stuck in the past either because you refuse to recognize what is happening or you (collectively, not you specifically) think you could actually do something to stop it.

you're confused AND wrong. People are in general becoming aware that the student-athlete handle is an NCAA-created sham, but they still feel that the players performing for their schools are amateurs.

Your last sentence makes no sense. What caused you to comment that I think anything about stopping whatever? And I have a perfect handle on what is happening, but I have an open mind. How about you educate me as to 'what is happening'. At least then I'll possibly know WTF you're even talking about in your post.

 

[tarheel0910]

you're confused AND wrong. People are in general becoming aware that the student-athlete handle is an NCAA-created sham, but they still feel that the players performing for their schools are amateurs.

Your last sentence makes no sense. What caused you to comment that I think anything about stopping whatever? And I have a perfect handle on what is happening, but I have an open mind. How about you educate me as to 'what is happening'. At least then I'll possibly know WTF you're even talking about in your post.

I don't think you and I are ever going to agree on this, so at this point the argument isn't going anywhere. I think we can at least agree that something needs to change because the current trajectory isn't going to be sustainable.

 

[Tom79]

UNC's Board of Trustees have announced an emergency meeting for Monday at noon "to receive a legal update regarding an athletics matter." Per a source close to the situation, that athletics matter is UNC wide receiver Devontez Walker. The meeting is to begin to explore -- and exhaust -- all possible avenues for Walker to gain eligibility, the source said.

 

[tarheel0910]

UNC's Board of Trustees have announced an emergency meeting for Monday at noon "to receive a legal update regarding an athletics matter." Per a source close to the situation, that athletics matter is UNC wide receiver Devontez Walker. The meeting is to begin to explore -- and exhaust -- all possible avenues for Walker to gain eligibility, the source said.

The meeting was yesterday. This is an old article.