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NCSU might be losing a bunch of talent this yr

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They lose their starting front 7 and both starting corners. Offense could return lots of bodies, they only graduate 4 (2 OL, TE and Jaylen Samuels), however Ryan Finley is blowing up as a draft prospect. And he's not getting any younger, next yr would be his 6th due to lots of injuries in his early yrs.

Lots of stuff calls him a top 6 or 7 QB, but this guy actually has him as the 1st QB overall, and #2 pick in the draft:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...th-seahawks-to-be-kam-chancellors-understudy/
 
I guess whoever wrote this is assuming that Darnold is going back to USC next year.
 
This was State’s once in a decade year. Tons of upperclassmen, couple stud defenders, superb grad transfer at QB, and a weakened Atlantic Division.

They drop off huge next year.
 
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State has shown the ability to find a QB for many, many years now. I don't think it's just luck they found Brissett and Finley. We have been on quite a roll with QBs for many years now too until this year. We still might have a QB on the team, just wasn't ready this year. Was supposed to be MT's year.
 
riverswe said:
State has shown the ability to find a QB for many, many years now. I don't think it's just luck they found Brissett and Finley. We have been on quite a roll with QBs for many years now too until this year. We still might have a QB on the team, just wasn't ready this year. Was supposed to be MT's year.
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What's it gotten them? I'll wait.

blazers said:
They lose their starting front 7 and both starting corners. Offense could return lots of bodies, they only graduate 4 (2 OL, TE and Jaylen Samuels), however Ryan Finley is blowing up as a draft prospect. And he's not getting any younger, next yr would be his 6th due to lots of injuries in his early yrs.

Lots of stuff calls him a top 6 or 7 QB, but this guy actually has him as the 1st QB overall, and #2 pick in the draft:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...th-seahawks-to-be-kam-chancellors-understudy/
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No "might be" about it. As @ticket2ride04 correctly states, Moo looses errbody after this season, and I think Finley goes too. It will be back to 6-6 for MooU next year.
 
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State hasn't really capitalized on their string of QBs. Probably won a handful of games they shouldn't have but not much more. Did beat us a time or two because of their QB.

Just responding to tickets post about State not having Brissett or Finley and saying somehow they always find a QB.
 
riverswe said:
State hasn't really capitalized on their string of QBs. Probably won a handful of games they shouldn't have but not much more. Did beat us a time or two because of their QB.

Just responding to tickets post about State not having Brissett or Finley and saying somehow they always find a QB.
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Uh, without Finley, they probably win 3 games this year.

Last two years would have been bad as well. Real bad.
 
Apparently Hines could be a top 10 RB in 2019, so it will be interesting to see if he tries to go this yr.

They've done a decent job with DL recruiting. Roseboro returns, Shug Frazier and some other guys, that will help their D a tiny bit in their opener vs James Madison. JMU's been good lately.
 
The number of wins is hard to guess ticket. If you assume with no Brissett and Finley they would be using QBs as bad as ours have been this year then maybe 3 wins is right. I'm just saying since Philip Rivers was at State they have had a decent QB every year. If they didn't have Brissett or Finley they would probably have had a decent QB. They play a very easy out of conference schedule most years and outside of this year their conference schedule had 3 or 4 fairly easy game.

Don't get me wrong though, I don't want State to win any games.
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
What's it gotten them? I'll wait.


No "might be" about it. As @ticket2ride04 correctly states, Moo looses errbody after this season, and I think Finley goes too. It will be back to 6-6 for MooU next year.
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That is probable. Perhaps worse than 6 Ws is highly possible.

But what will we be? If we are only 6-6, will you still be defending and excusing Fedora? If we lose to Moo and Dook again, will you still be on the Fedora train?
 
WoadBlue said:
That is probable. Perhaps worse than 6 Ws is highly possible.

But what will we be? If we are only 6-6, will you still be defending and excusing Fedora? If we lose to Moo and Dook again, will you still be on the Fedora train?
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If we win 7-8 and beat both will you consider getting on the train?
 
Doreen might be most overpaid coach in the NCAA. Barely an overall winning record and that is mainly due to all the cupcakes year in and year out. Horrible ACC record. Best year in 20 years and with that only beat 2 P5 teams with winning records. He has a great senior class that will be leaving. However, with all that being said, he is out recruiting Fedora and beating on him on the field. So just how bad is Fedora then.
 
ticket2ride04 said:
If we win 7-8 and beat both will you consider getting on the train?
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Like a Bunting supporter, you fail to answer how low Bunting can go before you would give up on him to pose a question that can come only from the assumption that lack of faith in Bunting was totally unfounded.

As to your question: it depends. If we win 7, beating both Dook and Moo, and both Dook and Moo have losing seasons, and we have 0 wins against teams that finish ranked, and we are only 1-5 versus teams that earn bowl bids, then I would say that the season was more mediocre crap.

UNC should not be satisfied with mediocre crap.
 
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However, with all that being said, he is out recruiting Fedora and beating on him on the field. So just how bad is Fedora then.
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Ya. This thought process is actually what got me to start to sour on Fedora. I loved ripping on Doeren and joining in with the other poasters that he sucked, was a joke, etc. Then I realized that he's kicking Fedora's ass, which speaks volumes.
 
WoadBlue said:
Like a Bunting supporter, you fail to answer how low Bunting can go before you would give up on him to pose a question that can come only from the assumption that lack of faith in Bunting was totally unfounded.

As to your question: it depends. If we win 7, beating both Dook and Moo, and both Dook and Moo have losing seasons, and we have 0 wins against teams that finish ranked, and we are only 1-5 versus teams that earn bowl bids, then I would say that the season was more mediocre crap.

UNC should not be satisfied with mediocre crap.
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Every time you compare Bunting and Fed you lose a little credibility. They're not even in the same ballpark. We all know it. I think you even know it too. So what's the point in repeating it?...

You know UNC's football history all too well to be making this comparison. I've been taken aback by that very knowledge many a time on this board, so I'm not just blowing smoke up your ass... but that comparison is absurd.
 
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John Bunting is a good man and loved UNC but something just didn't click when he was coaching us. I am fairly critical of Larry but he's done much better than Bunting. I prefer to compare Fed with expectations and so far in my opinion he's had one exceeds, one does not meet and the rest somewhere between meet meets and needs improvement - but my expectations are high but not unreasonable. I'm sure next year we'll be debating how Larry is doing again...I would love to know more about everyone's expectations going into next season.

I think we need to win 8 games, beat State and Duke, win the games we're supposed to and one game against a decent opponent. Reduce player and coaching mistakes.
 
riverswe said:
John Bunting is a good man and loved UNC but something just didn't click when he was coaching us. I am fairly critical of Larry but he's done much better than Bunting. I prefer to compare Fed with expectations and so far in my opinion he's had one exceeds, one does not meet and the rest somewhere between meet meets and needs improvement - but my expectations are high but not unreasonable. I'm sure next year we'll be debating how Larry is doing again...I would love to know more about everyone's expectations going into next season.

I think we need to win 8 games, beat State and Duke, win the games we're supposed to and one game against a decent opponent. Reduce player and coaching mistakes.
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I'm notoriously optimistic but I expect a shocking turnaround. Nothing like 2015, but some of the defensive efforts we saw this year lead me to believe that we can have a solid defensive unit next year.

The big question is whether or not we can move the ball on offense. And there are many reasons to think we can.
 
uncboy10 said:
Every time you compare Bunting and Fed you lose a little credibility. They're not even in the same ballpark. We all know it. I think you even know it too. So what's the point in repeating it?...

You know UNC's football history all too well to be making this comparison. I've been taken aback by that very knowledge many a time on this board, so I'm not just blowing smoke up your ass... but that comparison is absurd.
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The comparison is not between Bunting and Fedora; it is between the Bunting defenders (who remained rather staunchly pro-Bunting right through that Clemson game and after) and the Fedora defenders.

If next year we finish 7-5 and then lose another bowl and have no wins over a ranked team or a team that won a bowl, almost all of the Fedora defenders we have today will be making excuses and talking about the big improvement that is certain for 2019 under Fedora.
 
riverswe said:
I think we need to ... Reduce player and coaching mistakes.
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We've been saying that since Fedora's first season. Seasons 2 through 6 were the same. I see no reason the 7th will be any different than its predecessors.
 
For those of you who feel that 7-5 next year would be a disappointment, you need to brace yourselves. What did the team show you this year that would make you expect to see a big turnaround in 2018? If we go 6-6 and win a low level bowl game, I’ll be happy. Guys, we won 3 games this year and only beat 1 P5 team! 2019 is the year that we should all be looking forward to. Anything less than 8-4, with a bowl win will be a disappointment for me. Do yourselves a favor and temper your expectations for 2018.
 
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Expectations have been too low for too long. In your 6th and 7th years of a contract it's not acceptable to say 6-6 is all we can expect. Look at the schedule for next year.
 
Our O could easily be bad again next yr, hard to get 8 wins with a bad O.

There is no reason to expect QB play to be very good next yr. Chazz might take a big leap in improvement, but it needs to be huge for him to be "good". Elliot will be a little more wise, but hard to imagine arm strength or accuracy improving much. Rarely is a true frosh qb good.

And OL is going to make youthful mistakes...
 
We are never, ever going to consistently win 10 games a year, unless the fan support and recruiting picks up significantly. It's the ultimate chicken or the egg. There are not enough bigtime recruits who want to play in front of 45,000-50,000 people who sit on their hands each game. If you don't land the bigtime recruits, you are not going to win consistently, at a high level. Yes, we are adding upgraded facilities with an indoor practice field, but we are playing catchup by adding those. Those things will not necessarily be selling points to bigtime recruits, because every other program that is recruiting them will already have that in place. We are a basketball school and we should expect 7-9 regular season wins each year. Every blue moon, we will win 10 games, if the stars align. Fedora is a football coach, not a miracle worker. Our gameday atmosphere sucks and until that changes, what do our coaches have to sell?
 
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our fanbase isn't great, but people were also embittered by a) the firing of butch, b) the embarrassment of all the academic scandal stuff which was sparked by fball members. I suspect their attendance hasn't recovered from some of that. I know people who said "i'm done with football" when Butch was fired, and these same people are probably slow to accept everything unique about Fed (HUNH, shotgun, etc) and are extra turned-off by the bad defenses we've had.

A few 8-win yrs which include good D could help get some fan traction in my opinion, though things will never be the way they were pre-HD tvs.
 
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It took the great Mack Brown 6 years to win 10 games. In his 7th year we won 8 and his 8th year we won 7.

I agree that Mack is a better coach than Larry. Heck, Mack is better than a lot of people coaching today. Even Mack struggled with consistency at Carolina and that was also in a completely different era. Tough to compare to two.
 
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Clearly you don't remember how he started. 2 wins in his first two years and 8 wins in his first 3 years.
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I know that. Coaches don't get fired after their third year when they have a 5 game improvement from the previous year and look like they can continue to build on that improvement.
 
tarheel0910 said:
I know that. Coaches don't get fired after their third year when they have a 5 game improvement from the previous year and look like they can continue to build on that improvement.
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Coaches would get fired for turning in back to back 1 win seasons at a P5 school.
 
riverswe said:
Expectations have been too low for too long. In your 6th and 7th years of a contract it's not acceptable to say 6-6 is all we can expect. Look at the schedule for next year.
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This post marks you, to the Pollyannas, as being annoyingly negative.
 
WoadBlue said:
This post marks you, to the Pollyannas, as being annoyingly negative.
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Probably so but I believe results rarely exceed expectations. Go into 2018 thinking 6 wins is an acceptable total, then have a couple of injuries or something and somehow justify 4 wins. Looking at the schedule I think we should be able to get 8 wins.
 
tarheel0910 said:
Not at unc and not when you consider where the program was at before he got here.
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Dick Crum never had a team worse than 5-6. And that meant a large number of UNC fans hated the fact that he was let go. The Crum firing might have unleashed more fury to defend the fired coach than did the Bunting firing.

So when Mack went 1-10, the Crum defenders went nuts.

Crum had to be fired if you wanted UNC to be more than 6 wins followed by 5 wins. In the 70s, Crum was something of a trend setter at Miami of OH. His problem was that he expected to do in 1985 exactly what he did in 1980 and 1975 and have it work as well. Other coaches had innovated, had moved on after adjustments. Crum intended to get it done as he had before; he would do it over and over and over until it worked.

Crum was extremely popular with his players. When Crum was fired, some players chose not to play for Brown. Many more were reported to have let their lack of support for the new coach be known. Quite literally, it took Brown 2 years to get the pro-Crum players out the door. And then there were 8 consecutive winning teams, five of which finished the season ranked.

Fedora is as stubbornly set in his ways as was Crum. Over time, that allows opposing coaches to get your number, to know what you will do and thus be able counteract it.
 
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