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[What Would Jesus Do?]

"Not Safe for Player-Ranking Haters"

Numbers from 247

Departing Player	T Rank	HS Rank	Incoming Player	T Rank	HS Rank
Caleb Love	.9400	.9955	Harrison Ingram	.9400	.9934
Puff Johnson	.9000	.9764	Cormac Ryan	.9100	.9751
Dontrez Styles	.8900	.9760	Jae'Lyn Withers	.9000	.9392
Tyler Nickel	.8800	.9671	Paxson Wojcik	.8900	.8677
Justin McKoy	.8600	.8848
Will Shaver	.8500	.9249
Leaky Black		.9733	Simeon Wilcher		.9881
Pete Nance		.9654	Zayden High		.9761

 

[DaveChapelle]

And those numbers are calculated how exactly?

Like what exactly about Puff and Withers' college career stats makes them both a .9000 T rank?

 

[ChapelHeeled]

So, same old same old with you (imo).

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

And those numbers are calculated how exactly?

Like what exactly about Puff and Withers' college career stats makes them both a .9000 T rank?

You'll have to ask the 247 folks.

It was actually your comment on the Puff to Penn St thread - about how many folks PSU lost vs what they have landed in the portal - that prompted me to run this comparison.

If you compare HS rankings, it looks like our incoming transfers aren't quite as good as our departing transfers. But if you look at their T rankings, the new transfers are slightly better than the outgoing guys.

The other thing I thought interesting is that most of the transfers - whether incoming or outgoing - dropped a little from HS to T ratings. That's assuming those ratings are comparable. The main exception is Wojcik, who improved a nice chunk from HS to T.

Nice to see our incoming frosh are higher ranked than our departing 5th year guys when they got out of HS. But of course that totally ignores all those years of development and experience.

Simply based on how they seem to fit, I feel like we could be way ahead with the new guys. But time will tell.

 

[al would]

That was then this is now. With the new NCAA "rules" you can almost trash everything NCAA in the past except that chefshitski got his record by playing cream puff's at home early in the season.

 

[Ozheelfan]

"Not Safe for Player-Ranking Haters"

Numbers from 247

Departing Player	T Rank	HS Rank	Incoming Player	T Rank	HS Rank
Caleb Love	.9400	.9955	Harrison Ingram	.9400	.9934
Puff Johnson	.9000	.9764	Cormac Ryan	.9100	.9751
Dontrez Styles	.8900	.9760	Jae'Lyn Withers	.9000	.9392
Tyler Nickel	.8800	.9671	Paxson Wojcik	.8900	.8677
Justin McKoy	.8600	.8848
Will Shaver	.8500	.9249
Leaky Black		.9733	Simeon Wilcher		.9881
Pete Nance		.9654	Zayden High		.9761

Not sure about not safe… but I do see a lot of meaningless numbers

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Not sure about not safe… but I do see a lot of meaningless numbers

That was basically a joke. It's hard to have a thread with ranking numbers around here without the usual suspects saying the same old disparaging things about the value of those rankings. This was my gentle way of suggesting they don't need to feel obligated to rain on every parade that has ranking numbers. We already know how they feel.

 

[DSouthr]

For guys coming from the portal I honestly see no value in what they were ranked prior to college. How they rank vs other college players based on what they actually have done vs college level competition matters, not what they used to do vs high school kids.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

For guys coming from the portal I honestly see no value in what they were ranked prior to college. How they rank vs other college players based on what they actually have done vs college level competition matters, not what they used to do vs high school kids.

I find it interesting to see how the T ratings sync so well with the HS numbers. I suspect many of our rankings haters would have predicted otherwise.

 

[gauchoheel]

I find it interesting to see how the T ratings sync so well with the HS numbers. I suspect many of our rankings haters would have predicted otherwise.

Yep. Plus the HS ranking can point to untapped potential, at least for underclassmen transfers.

Frankly, don't think many would care so much about Dunn/Trimble if not for their HS recruiting rankings. They haven't shown much on the court at UNC yet; there are any number of guys ranked outside the top 100 who've outplayed them in college. But there is probably untapped potential, particularly with Seth since he's only played one year.

 

[ChapelHeeled]

That was basically a joke. It's hard to have a thread with ranking numbers around here without the usual suspects saying the same old disparaging things about the value of those rankings. This was my gentle way of suggesting they don't need to feel obligated to rain on every parade that has ranking numbers. We already know how they feel.

Meaningless numbers (imo)

 

[Ozheelfan]

That was basically a joke. It's hard to have a thread with ranking numbers around here without the usual suspects saying the same old disparaging things about the value of those rankings. This was my gentle way of suggesting they don't need to feel obligated to rain on every parade that has ranking numbers. We already know how they feel.

Probably should count me as one of those usual suspects… sorry to say I don’t see any value in looking at those numbers. That’s fine, I’ll keep clear of these threads and focus on the ones that interest me.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I honestly don't put much stock in very many metrics. I rely on the eye test way more often. Rebounding, assists, blocks, steals, and situational shooting % do interest me, but "advanced" metrics are too easy to manipulate to fit an agenda for my tastes! I don't have the first clue what Mtorg, or QBR or PET etc even measure so they might as well be a foreign language! Efficiency is a joke since it only equates to wins/losses if other more concrete statistics + subjective ones like camaraderie and motivation fall into play !

But I like the impression that we are adding similar talent to what we are losing and might be creating a team that has better chemistry and fits our coach's vision!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Probably should count me as one of those usual suspects… sorry to say I don’t see any value in looking at those numbers. That’s fine, I’ll keep clear of these threads and focus on the ones that interest me.

You're a good contributor, so don't stay away. It's really just the people who only bitch about rankings that I was aiming at.

It's like if there was a thread on "What's Your Favorite Cereal." Some guys will drop in and say "I'm not a cereal fan but when I do eat cereal, I prefer Quaker granola." Whereas other guys will post along the lines of "cereal sucks, and anyone who eats cereal is an idiot who doesn't belong on this board." It's the latter attitude that I don't think fosters good discussions.

In a thread like this, it's entirely possible to talk about whether and where we've improved (or not) without reference to those ranking numbers. But the numbers are there for those who like such things.

Just something to chat about while we're waiting for Cadeau, and anyone else who might come (or leave).

 

[DSouthr]

I find it interesting to see how the T ratings sync so well with the HS numbers. I suspect many of our rankings haters would have predicted otherwise.

I think it is a bit intuitive that talent shows itself, you see it no matter the level, no matter the person watching. I would assume that MOST of the 5 stars look like 5 stars in college but some are not as ready as others. My thing with ratings of a player is in any given class there are 5-10 guys that are clearly above everyone else talent wise, those guys are no brainers. But after that there are maybe 40-50 guys that call all really help a college team but most take more than a single season to really show up. When their talent does start showing up however folks ask, how the heck was that guy not a 5 star.

Kid's simply develop at different times, especially a kid in high school, it takes longer for some kids to grow in to their bodies. I look at that Tyran Stokes kid, he is what 15-16yrs old, has a body that today could compete with most any college big man, that is not normal folks, that is a kid that won the genetic lottery. But other kids may find that level of development as a senior, a kid may be a soph and a 3 star at 6'6" but grows another 3 or 4 inches and all the sudden his game explodes. And yes, in time the rankings do catch up to the current level the kid is at but what if that radical development waits a year and happens as a college freshman or that nagging injury finally leaves.

All I am saying is rankings are a fine place to start but big time talent is everywhere in different stages of showing itself, some blow up early and fizzle and others go on a slow burn until they become 5 alarm fires that can't be put out. Star ratings to me do a poor job of projecting that in my opinion. I just watched a NCAAT final game that did not have a single 5 star player on either team while other programs were loaded with 5 stars, some 5 stars coming off the bench, they watched the natty game on TV.

 

[DSouthr]

You're a good contributor, so don't stay away. It's really just the people who only bitch about rankings that I was aiming at.

It's like if there was a thread on "What's Your Favorite Cereal." Some guys will drop in and say "I'm not a cereal fan but when I do eat cereal, I prefer Quaker granola." Whereas other guys will post along the lines of "cereal sucks, and anyone who eats cereal is an idiot who doesn't belong on this board." It's the latter attitude that I don't think fosters good discussions.

In a thread like this, it's entirely possible to talk about whether and where we've improved (or not) without reference to those ranking numbers. But the numbers are there for those who like such things.

Just something to chat about while we're waiting for Cadeau, and anyone else who might come (or leave).

Absolutely reasonable reply! I can give you my own personal opinion about this but so what, means not a darn thing. For those that enjoy and see more value in rankings more power to ya, go for it, enjoy them. Using the food analogy, there is not a fantastic pizza ever made that does not have anchovies on it in my book! I CRAVE those lil saltly fishes on my pizza but funny thing is, most folks HATE them, can not understand why anyone would want those on a great pizza. We both have taste buds but clearly mine works different than most others but it does not give me the right to demand others eat pizza with anchovies. Whether you love the ranking stuff or not, it is really your decision to make and others should not be trying to force you otherwise. It is like all topics here, I don't care so much if folks agree with me or not, I am just telling you what I think and try best I can to make sure I explain why I see a topic as I do, from there you can see it the same or not because your opinion is just as valuable to you as mine are to me.

 

[bluetoe]

You're a good contributor, so don't stay away. It's really just the people who only bitch about rankings that I was aiming at.

It's like if there was a thread on "What's Your Favorite Cereal." Some guys will drop in and say "I'm not a cereal fan but when I do eat cereal, I prefer Quaker granola." Whereas other guys will post along the lines of "cereal sucks, and anyone who eats cereal is an idiot who doesn't belong on this board." It's the latter attitude that I don't think fosters good discussions.

In a thread like this, it's entirely possible to talk about whether and where we've improved (or not) without reference to those ranking numbers. But the numbers are there for those who like such things.

Just something to chat about while we're waiting for Cadeau, and anyone else who might come (or leave).

I rarely eat cereal, but when I do I usually use a plastic Carolina stadium cup as a bowl. The milk/cereal interaction is greatly enhanced, and you know...Carolina cup..

When I look at rankings, I find them interesting but fairly meaningless. For example, a transfer's rating might be a reflection of his development, and that might reflect the coaching more than the limits of his abilities....or not. So who knows, the rating might be very misleading. Still, keep posting whatever you find because it's all a big puzzle and the more pieces we have, the more we can see the big picture. Or 'a' big picture. Or maybe just something to bitch about, there's value in that too.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

there is not a fantastic pizza ever made that does not have anchovies on it in my book!

Huge anchovy fan. Unfortunately I've recently had to cut back on salt. No bacon. No country ham. Beats dying, but sometimes it's a close call.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Anchovies are cat food! Nobody but a Troll would try to sell us on those vile fish byproducts! If someone gave me a choice between eating those fish and wanting puke to win..............of course I would eat the fish, but you know what I mean! Ya'll seemed like such reasonable peeps too. (Meatballs, sun dried tomatoes, and banana peppers on my pizza)

 

[bluetoe]

Anchovies are cat food! Nobody but a Troll would try to sell us on those vile fish byproducts! If someone gave me a choice between eating those fish and wanting puke to win..............of course I would eat the fish, but you know what I mean! Ya'll seemed like such reasonable peeps too. (Meatballs, sun dried tomatoes, and banana peppers on my pizza)

I'd eat a pizza with buzzard puke on it before I ate one with anchovies.

 

[tarheel0910]

Huge anchovy fan. Unfortunately I've recently had to cut back on salt. No bacon. No country ham. Beats dying, but sometimes it's a close call.

Can you really call it living if you don't eat bacon?

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Bacon is a clear 5* topping! It has a great all around game and can make other toppings better! It has been called a "Chef on the plate" and is a real oven rat! Bacon is versatile and can thrive in a slow down breakfast or a fast paced lunch. Bacon can not be stopped, it can only be contained!

 

[bluetoe]

Bacon is a clear 5* topping! It has a great all around game and can make other toppings better! It has been called a "Chef on the plate" and is a real oven rat! Bacon is versatile and can thrive in a slow down breakfast or a fast paced lunch. Bacon can not be stopped, it can only be contained!

OK, I've been trying to avoid opening this can of worms for a while now, but your post has pushed me over the line. We all agree that bacon is the essence of living. The argument is over what to do with it, and how to cook it. Of course it usually needs to be fried, but HOW MUCH? There are those who like their bacon soft and chewy.

Here's an opening shot. YUK. Bacon should be cooked until it is crisp and crumbly, and almost melts in your mouth.

 

[DSouthr]

Anchovies are cat food! Nobody but a Troll would try to sell us on those vile fish byproducts! If someone gave me a choice between eating those fish and wanting puke to win..............of course I would eat the fish, but you know what I mean! Ya'll seemed like such reasonable peeps too. (Meatballs, sun dried tomatoes, and banana peppers on my pizza)

You sir are Ancho-phobic! You should be shunned from being allowed to enter any fine dining establishment that specializes in da pizza pie! LOL

 

[bluetoe]

You sir are Ancho-phobic! You should be shunned from being allowed to enter any fine dining establishment that specializes in da pizza pie! LOL

So I'm also ancho-phobic. I'm not eating cat shit either. If that makes me cat shit-phobic, so be it. I'll wear that badge proudly.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

The only cure for accidentally ingesting anchovies is an immediate infusion of bacon, stat! Crispy and plentiful!

 

[bluetoe]

The only cure for accidentally ingesting anchovies is an immediate infusion of bacon, stat! Crispy and plentiful!

the only thing worse than an anchovy is an anchovy with blue cheese on it. Better have some cherry or apple wood smoked bacon to overcome that.

 

[DSouthr]

Bacon is a clear 5* topping! It has a great all around game and can make other toppings better! It has been called a "Chef on the plate" and is a real oven rat! Bacon is versatile and can thrive in a slow down breakfast or a fast paced lunch. Bacon can not be stopped, it can only be contained!

Bacon pairs very nicely with anchovies on a pie, and any beer not coming from the Budwieser family. Now the for real debate should be more important matters, like is it NY pizza or that stuff they call pizza out of Chicago? We all know the only pizza that deserves to be called PIZZA is NY style!~

What are you gonna try to sell me next, sauced wings over a great dry rub? LOL Oh, just occurred to me, wonder how good anchovies would be on a nice dry rubbed drumlette, I may have to try that! LOLOLOL

 

[DSouthr]

The only cure for accidentally ingesting anchovies is an immediate infusion of bacon, stat! Crispy and plentiful!

Get the crash cart STAT, hook the patient up to a bacon IV, no time to fumble around with that, just shove the other end of the IV in to a pigs butt and we will figure the rest out later! LOL

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Can you really call it living if you don't eat bacon?

I know, right?!

 

[DSouthr]

the only thing worse than an anchovy is an anchovy with blue cheese on it. Better have some cherry or apple wood smoked bacon to overcome that.

Hmmm, you mean sorta like a grown man smores? Sounds tasty actually (ok, so not really but if we talking ranch we may have it as a thing ;-)! LOL

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Bacon pairs very nicely with anchovies on a pie, and any beer not coming from the Budwieser family. Now the for real debate should be more important matters, like is it NY pizza or that stuff they call pizza out of Chicago? We all know the only pizza that deserves to be called PIZZA is NY style!~

What are you gonna try to sell me next, sauced wings over a great dry rub? LOL Oh, just occurred to me, wonder how good anchovies would be on a nice dry rubbed drumlette, I may have to try that! LOLOLOL

Bacon and anchovies certainly work as a sodium fix - or heart attack trigger, as the case may be. But I'm not sure about those flavors together.

My preferred pizza is Ledo's with bacon and black olives. Second is anchovies and mushrooms.

Sadly, when I actually yield to my pizza craving, I've sunk to onion and green pepper. I like that, but it isn't bacon.

Truth be told, I usually get a half-and-half with bacon and black olive on one side and the "good for me" selection on the other side. But with my blood pressure rising as I age, that splurge will have to end.

Lately I've been getting cauliflower crust pizzas (Kirkland brand from Costco). Surprisingly tasty. I know a little cauliflower in the crust doesn't turn them into a health food, but it crust consistency is quite satisfying.

When I was merely cutting back on bacon, I used to get bacon bits (real bacon, not the artificial crap) and use it as a garnish. You can get a lot of satisfying flavor that way without as much harm. That's another great buy from Costco, for those who like that option.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Hmmm, you mean sorta like a grown man smores? Sounds tasty actually (ok, so not really but if we talking ranch we may have it as a thing ;-)! LOL

Wait! Just when I was admiring your culinary tastes, you choose Ranch over Blue Cheese?

Oh, the humanity!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

the only thing worse than an anchovy is an anchovy with blue cheese on it. Better have some cherry or apple wood smoked bacon to overcome that.

Bacon, anchovies and blue cheese?

Sounds heavenly. And doubtless gets you there in a hurry. But at least you'll die happy.

You should patent that.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Why would anyone ruin perfectly good bacon and blue cheese by exposing it to smelly fish?

You don't fix what ain't broke!

BTW: Maple glazed candy bacon might be the best taste on Earth! AND I agree that NY pizza is the king!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

On the crust question, I go for thin over thick, but not too thin. I want it to be a little chewy. Things advertised as thin crust are often too crunchy, almost like crackers. That's going too far.

 

[DSouthr]

Why would anyone ruin perfectly good bacon and blue cheese by exposing it to smelly fish?

You don't fix what ain't broke!

BTW: Maple glazed candy bacon might be the best taste on Earth! AND I agree that NY pizza is the king!

Well at least you have some degree of pizza sanity! ;-)

 

[bluetoe]

Bacon, anchovies and blue cheese?

Sounds heavenly. And doubtless gets you there in a hurry. But at least you'll die happy.

You should patent that.

you mean to the bathroom?

 

[bluetoe]

Why would anyone ruin perfectly good bacon and blue cheese by exposing it to smelly fish?

You don't fix what ain't broke!

BTW: Maple glazed candy bacon might be the best taste on Earth! AND I agree that NY pizza is the king!

better question, IMO; why would anyone ever put something in their mouth that smelled like it was scraped from under a homeless man's toenail?

ETA....Talking blue cheese, but apply that to anchovies if you care to. Just substitute 'buttcrack' for 'toenail'

 

[DSouthr]

better question, IMO; why would anyone ever put something in their mouth that smelled like it was scraped from under a homeless man's toenail?

ETA....Talking blue cheese, but apply that to anchovies if you care to. Just substitute 'buttcrack' for 'toenail'

OK, so why did I read your reply and then look directly at the graphic above your screen name? LOL