OAD Flops
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MKG is a solid player. Not even close to a flop.
"3/4 of Kentucky OAD's are flops"
Not even close. Most of our guys all get second contracts. We also have top stars in today's game (Davis, Towns, Cousins, Wall)
Get real.
look up all your early entries since Cal took over the cartel. Equally as many end up in the D league or buried on an NBA bench in comparison to the "stars" you've produced.
He said 3/4th of our OAD players end up flops. I don't have to look up anything. The OAD approach doesn't take into account what the player does when he leaves campus. It takes into account his life, his families lives, and taking the safe route and leaving when his finiancial gain is appropriate and necessary. Eric Bledsoe was living out a car in high school. You really want to make a case he shouldn't have gone when he did? or that he's a "flop" because he's only really good and not AD?
UK has Produced 4 NBA all stars in the last 7 years. That's unheard of completely. Then guys like Jones, Knight, Bledsoe, Kanter, Booker, Lyles, MKG, Randle all are dynamic players who in some cases are a season away from being another star to the list. So start naming all of those OAD flops that UK has produced?
Calling "3/4"of our OAD's bust is completely laughable. I'd suggest watching the NBA sometime.
You might be thinking of Kansas.
Bledsoe is def not a flop. Anybody who think so doesn't watch the NBA. Orton is probably the only OAD flop that comes to mind and James young
We're talking about Flops. MKG in retrospect would still be a top 10 pick more than likely.
Kentucky has 2 or 3 OAD flops that really come mind. Off the top of of my head anyway. Lots of solid 12-15 year guys and 4 super stars, about to be 5 or 6.
There should be a Kansas fan come along at some point to discuss OAD flops. Cala record on producing great NBA OAD's really cannot even be debated.
First, you do NOT get to claim Kantor, he did not play a single second for Ky so cut him from your list.
Bless yall's heart, but are you a Ky fan or a NBA fan? Wonderful that there are so many Ky players in the NBA, it is kinda hard for there not to be considering how you have multiple 1&done guys every single season. It is an amazing list of talent that has been passed thru your 1&done shuffle but where are all the natty's that a program with that kind of talent, that kind of recruiting domination should result in? Ya got one and even that one was fortunate that Creighton took Kendal out before we could get to a re-match.
Ky does play in the weakest major conference for basketball so they get to fluff their record for great NCAAT seeding every year and they dominate nationally recruiting. Kinda reminds you of the advantages UCLA had way back in the day with one exception, UCLA had John Wooden and they were not running a pass thru NBA developmental program, they were focused on playing college basketball.
Orton and James young. However, Kansas had has a lot of flops. I don't understand why 5 stars can't wait to go to Kansas, especially big men.
Lol. Are you serious?
Wooden was using Sam Gilbert's payroll to keep players at UCLA. Pass through NBA development program? They WERE an NBA Organization on the collegiate level. My God they've had players admit leaving UCLA for the pros would have been a pay CUT. might want to do some research.
UNC has pumped Their pros for YEARS. and you pumped ones that left early in a day when people said YOU were ruining the game. You're really salty about recruiting right now. I've had some good conversations about this topic on this board, but you always fly in and spout hypocrisy.
2012 Kentucky had the most dynamic player of the last decade. We had a complete team who also beat UNC earlier in the year when we were still finding ourselves. UNC wouldn't have beat that team in march. They were really clicking. Doesn't matter now anyway. UNC was the second best team of 12 imo though.
And why are you always expecting UK to win the title every single year because we've got talented 18 year olds across the board? We've been to 4 final fours, two title games, and a natty in the last 7. We could easily win it this year or next year, or even the next year. If cal has two titles, 5/6final fours in his first 10 years at UK, would you really try and justify it being failure? I mean you're trying somehow discredit his success now, so I assume you would in that scenario too?If so there's really no reason to reply further to you. You praise Dean, and rightfully so imo, but if you think cal is underachieving, what do you Cal Dean? Serious question.
The SEC has been down this decade and still has as many titles as the ACC, and more than any other power 5 conference. Not saying it's great and hasn't underperformed of late. Some of the bashing is media driven though. Not "as bad" as made out to be. Historically it's a fairly good conference.
And for the record, speaking of padding our wins due to schedule, UK has played an incredible OOC schedule every year and wins. Just for clarification.
Cal Vs. Self: 3-1
Cal Vs. Roy: 5-2
Cal Vs. Pitino: 8-2
Cal vs. K: 1-1
17-6 against those four is impressive. College basketball is about recruiting and always has been. So save that excuse. You have to be able to be an excellent college basketball coach in most areas to be that successful against those HOFers
I agree with much of what you said, but this part is purely opinion (an opinion I disagree with). I think that title game would have been great, and there's no reason to think UNC if fully healthy wouldn't have had a chance in that game.
The SEC is UK. Florida chipped in a little bit awhile ago, but that conference is UK and a bunch of "also-rans". The negative perception in the media, IMO, is deserved. If anything, it's a counterbalance to the continuous slurping of that conference in football, which was shown to be overblown this year.
UNC would have absolutely had a chance in that game. Don't get me wrong. But I believe Kentucky would have been favored.
The SEC has been down a while, somewhat due to football. But when I travel to SEC road games, its brutal for UK. Add the officiating into it and man. It's tough sometimes. But I agree some of the media bashing is warranted, I just think when you look at the BIG12 and how they pump it, the SEC shouldn't be seen in such a bad light. We've had far more success as a conference than the BIG12.
Don't quote my post and then use other people's words!
I was countering the argument that Big Marv shouldn't have been picked #2 and your sensitive Kentuck side came out! (Maybe you are finally taking off the reasonable mask)
I never said any of the #2 picks were flops, I said: "Of the 10 since Big Marv was picked I would only take 3 before him: LaMarcus, Jabari, and Brandon & Jabari is arguable!"
I also NEVER mentioned Kentuck at all!
AND MKG should never have been a #2 pick, the dude can't shoot a lick. He is a good NBA player, but not even close to #2!
Get Real!
I was countering the argument that Big Marv shouldn't have been picked #2 and your sensitive Kentuck side came out! (Maybe you are finally taking off the reasonable mask)
I never said any of the #2 picks were flops, I said: "Of the 10 since Big Marv was picked I would only take 3 before him: LaMarcus, Jabari, and Brandon & Jabari is arguable!"
I also NEVER mentioned Kentuck at all!
AND MKG should never have been a #2 pick, the dude can't shoot a lick. He is a good NBA player, but not even close to #2!
Get Real!
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