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OK Cowboy fans, who do you want RG3 or Johnny Football?

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Troy Aikman on the radio today saying that the backup to Romo next season will be one or the other???

AS A Redskin fan, I KNOW all about RG3 and somewhat about Johnny M...the question is who do YOU want on them cowpokes???
 
RG3 any day of the week. I think he still has something left if someone would give him a chance.

Johnny Manziel is talented (I guess), but I don't want his baggage anywhere near my team. A QB should be the leader of the team, and if your QB is more concerned about which club he's gonna get hammered in than how to score on his opponent's defense, then you have problems. But then again, I guess he would fit right in with Dallas.
 
Griffin's body has no life-span in the NFL.

After much research about him and Baylor and Snyder, Griffin is incredibly fortunate that he cashed-in on what he did. He got the very most out of the carrot that his college career dangled.
 
If I'm the Cowboys, I take RG3 and never think twice. Manziel, to me, comes across as an elitist suffering from the entitlement syndrome. No way he would quietly sit behind any QB and learn the ropes. I could see RG3 benefitting from a change of scenery, in the same division he was drafted into, and he seems to have the emotional stability to handle the Dallas atmosphere. Things didn't work out for him in Washington, but he always came across (to me anyway) as a pretty grounded and mature individual. Johnny Football is the exact opposite from what I can tell.
 
first, aikman isn't really speaking for the org...he and jason garrett arent consulting each other about filling the roster.

i'd prefer neither, and draft carson wentz in the 2nd round.

if i had to choose, it would be johnny football all day, everyday...he's more talented and he's not a system qb like rg3...right now, manziel is better than cassell, weeden, and kellen moore, all backups to romo this year.
 
Neither and trade Romo and start over but it don't really matter as long as the owner stays the same
 
can't trade romo...besides, why would you start over with a roster good enough to win when healthy?...if romo played this year they win the east with ease.

and the owner isn't the problem, it's the general manager that is also the owner...that being said, he's calmed down a lot the last five years...put it this way, if jerry still controlled the draft and personnel, he would've drafted manziel, not built the best o-line in football the last five years, traded for adrian peterson, and wouldn't have blinked an eye when sean payton was available for about 10 days two years ago.
 
I honestly don't think either will still be in the NFL about 3 - 4 years from now... unless RG3 learns to protect himself and Johnny Football learns how to act like an adult instead of the selfish d-bag that he is.

Dallas should pick up both! Oh what fun that would be...
 
Why don't we just go ahead and add Tebow as an option!!! If the Cowboys are smart, which is really the questions of the day, they will draft a young QB with the intent of him being the heir apparent to Romo!
 
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gteeitup said:
love this dude...hope he's ready for a change, lol!!!
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Dude I'm a huge JF fan haha.

And let's be real for a second. If Manziel wasn't white, he wouldn't be getting all this media scorn and admonishment. The media has no problem ruthlessly assassinating a white player's character ad nauseam (Tebow, e.g.)
 
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@TarHeelNation11 that's an interesting point.

wonder if the same amount are as jammed up about cam doing his stuff.
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The anti-Cam celebrations seems to be a fan-driven thing. The media will only refer to it when couching it as "some people might take exception to it." They never flat-out say "he shouldn't act like that."

Why don't they do this? Because they know the real reason people say they don't like Cam showing off -- it's because he's acting too 'ghetto' or whatever word you want to use. The 'Cam antics' criticism has always been a pretty thinly veiled racial thing. People don't want a starting QB acting that black.
 
gteeitup said:
@TarHeelNation11 that's an interesting point.

wonder if the same amount are as jammed up about cam doing his stuff.
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I think Johnny Football (he doesn't even deserve such a cool nickname, BTW) is a super douche. And I'm on record as saying I don't really like Cam's antics either. But there's a huge difference. Cam is accomplished. He's allowed to act like a bit of a jerkoff if he wants. Manziel hasn't done sh*t. He should save those antics until he's proved he even belongs in the league.

But I agree. If manziel wasn't white, the media would be too scared to criticize his foolish celebrations and douchebagginess.
 
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gunslingerdick said:
I think Johnny Football (he doesn't even deserve such a cool nickname, BTW) is a super douche. And I'm on record as saying I don't really like Cam's antics either. But there's a huge difference. Cam is accomplished. He's allowed to act like a bit of a jerkoff if he wants. Manziel hasn't done sh*t. He should save those antics until he's proved he even belongs in the league.

But I agree. If manziel wasn't white, the media would be too scared to criticize his foolish celebrations and douchebagginess.
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Part of the reason John Football hasn't done anything in the league is because the dumba$$ Browns won't allow him the chance. They freak out if he's "caught" drinking on a Sunday night after a game (when I'm sure at least 25% of his teammates are as well) and then don't let him play the next week.

How the hell is:

1) He supposed to get in a rhythm and better his game if they don't let him play and..
2). How the hell are the Browns supposed to accurately analyze their first-round investment when they keep him off the field so much. Give him a go or don't. Stop caving to media pressure because he -- gasps -- drinks alcohol
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
The anti-Cam celebrations seems to be a fan-driven thing. The media will only refer to it when couching it as "some people might take exception to it." They never flat-out say "he shouldn't act like that."

Why don't they do this? Because they know the real reason people say they don't like Cam showing off -- it's because he's acting too 'ghetto' or whatever word you want to use. The 'Cam antics' criticism has always been a pretty thinly veiled racial thing. People don't want a starting QB acting that black.
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I'd like to get some Panthers fans thoughts on this Cam thing to see if you agree or disagree with my take. (Read like the last 5-6 posts of this thread). @TarHeelMark @coolwaterunc @bleeduncblue @Blue2010 @Raising Heel

ETA: Could've sworn bleed was a regular contributor on the Panthers thread but I guess I made that up. Whoops!
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
Part of the reason John Football hasn't done anything in the league is because the dumba$$ Browns won't allow him the chance. They freak out if he's "caught" drinking on a Sunday night after a game (when I'm sure at least 25% of his teammates are as well) and then don't let him play the next week.

How the hell is:

1) He supposed to get in a rhythm and better his game if they don't let him play and..
2). How the hell are the Browns supposed to accurately analyze their first-round investment when they keep him off the field so much. Give him a go or don't. Stop caving to media pressure because he -- gasps -- drinks alcohol
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Oh stop it. He's allowed to drink alcohol. He's not allowed to be out at the bar acting like a redneck at a honkey tonk. He's a QB in the NFL. He's supposed to be the face of an organization. No one wants that kind of face. I don't blame the Browns. Manziel should accomodate the Browns. Not the other way around. He needs to answer questions with "yes sir" and "no ma'm". He needs to stay out of the clubs and the limelight all together. he needs to hand the ball to the ref when he scores. He needs to be reserved and thoughtful when dealing with the media. He needs to generally stay low key and humble - at least until he has proven he's capable of playing in the NFL. I prefer my professional athletes to never be noticed off the field all together. But I realize that's not for everyone. But I don't think it's unreasonable to expect 21 year old rookies to have some humility and be thankful for their position in life.
 
As for cam, I don't think he has really stepped out of the box with some of the antics. Being older, I wish he would taper it a bit. But he isn't grabbing his jock, teabagging anyone, nor overly talking smack to the opposition. He is also appealing to the crowd under the adulthood age.(18- under) . I have seen the kids at UNC mimicking his 1st down head nod in the stands. Think about the kids who are lucky enough to get a game ball after a TD. He is making everyone who scores do the same thing. Opposing teams hate it cause he made them look like fools. As it is stated in the panthers thread, if they don't like it, stop him.
As for Johnny football, he has stepped out that proverbial box I mentioned earlier. I think they are 2 entirely different personalities
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
I'd like to get some Panthers fans thoughts on this Cam thing to see if you agree or disagree with my take. (Read like the last 5-6 posts of this thread). @TarHeelMark @coolwaterunc @bleeduncblue @Blue2010 @Raising Heel

ETA: Could've sworn bleed was a regular contributor on the Panthers thread but I guess I made that up. Whoops!
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I'm not sure what the question is. Are we talking about why people complain about Cam's antics, or is the question why they're not criticized as much as Manziel's? Or just what we think of them personally?
 
JuleZ '02 HEEL said:
I'm not sure what the question is. Are we talking about why people complain about Cam's antics, or is the question why they're not criticized as much as Manziel's? Or just what we think of them personally?
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My position that people dislike Cam's antics due to racial reasons, though they'll never admit it. He acts too "black" and people don't like that in a starting QB.
 
To illustrate my point, suppose Cam Newton was leading the Panthers to a Super Bowl just like he is now with all the same antics, quirks, off-the-field commercials, etc., but suppose he's doing it as a do-everything running back or wide receiver....

There would be zero talk about his showboating. It's accepted at other skill positions, just not QB.
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
My position that people dislike Cam's antics due to racial reasons, though they'll never admit it. He acts too "black" and people don't like that in a starting QB.
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I don't know about characterizing it as "too black". By doing that you're insinuating that all blacks act like brash, showboating, "look at me" types. Hello Barry Sanders.

And as far as being a QB, I don't like any players to act like that.
 
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I don't know about characterizing it as "too black". By doing that you're insinuating that all blacks act like brash, showboating, "look at me" types. Hello Barry Sanders.
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That's why I put it in quotes. It was the best way I could describe it. Use whatever stereotype term you want, 'ghetto' or what have you. You know the point I'm trying to get across.
 
I don't think it's about skin color. Most of the criticism of Cam's antics this year have been from fans of other teams getting their donuts taken.

As for Panthers fans, I'm sure most are fine with it this year and look at it as Cam enjoying the game, being himself, etc. Probably fewer fans of it when he's showboating after a random first down in a losing effort.
 
JuleZ '02 HEEL said:
I don't think it's about skin color. Most of the criticism of Cam's antics this year have been from fans of other teams getting their donuts taken.

As for Panthers fans, I'm sure most are fine with it this year and look at it as Cam enjoying the game, being himself, etc. Probably fewer fans of it when he's showboating after a random first down in a losing effort.
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Maybe. But I'm not so sure.

Look, I'm definitely not a fan of playing the race card, but in this case I think it's warranted. Yesterday or the day before, Cam just said in the media basically what I'm saying. People don't like his antics because he's black.
 
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As it is stated in the panthers thread, if they don't like it, stop him.
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The old Miami Hurricanes mindset. If you don't like us dancing, stop us. I can somewhat see that point of view, however I don't think the crappier teams in the league, who can't stop Cam should be subjected to 15 minutes of showboating every time he gets in the end zone (or manages a first down, or wipes his own @$$, etc.)

I'll be rooting for the Broncos in the Super Bowl (although I realize they don't have a chance, and the Panthers are the vastly superior team, and I have money on the Panthers). Which is saying something, since I'm a Pats fan - so therefore always want to see Manning lose, as part of the age old Brady vs. Manning debate, and I never thought I'd root for noodle arm to win a game, let alone a super bowl. Which is too bad, cuz I really like Kuechly, Olsen, Rivera, and Jonathan Stewart, have plenty of friends who are Panthers fans, and it's always nice to see a franchise get their first title - but Cam's douchebaggery trumps all and makes me root against them.

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Look, I'm definitely not a fan of playing the race card, but in this case I think it's warranted. Yesterday or the day before, Cam just said in the media basically what I'm saying. People don't like his antics because he's black.
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I'm not a fan of Manziel for the same reasons, and he's white. I have no issue with RG3, loved Michael Vick when he was playing, had a Warren Moon poster in my room growing up - and they're black. It'd be a better debate if Cam was white, that way we could criticize his antics without being afraid of being deemed racist.

The fact the media can't see through his schtick, or are too afraid to say they see through his cheesy smile, is disappointing.
 
The Foreskins, Brownies, and Dal-ass are all dumpster fires. I say let the Dal-ass girls take both Johnnie Football and RG3 and see if they can come up with one-half of a pro QB:p
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
Maybe. But I'm not so sure.

Look, I'm definitely not a fan of playing the race card, but in this case I think it's warranted. Yesterday or the day before, Cam just said in the media basically what I'm saying. People don't like his antics because he's black.
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But just because you and Cam say it doesn't make it true. And frankly, that's what many black athletes do. It's a cop out to act like a jerk and not be called out on it.
 
gunslingerdick said:
But just because you and Cam say it doesn't make it true. And frankly, that's what many black athletes do. It's a cop out to act like a jerk and not be called out on it.
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I don't know how to explain it any better than I have. There's all these cries for Cam Newton to stop "cutting up" and stop "showing off," yet no one says one word about Josh Norman........who is way, way more annoying and does more trash-talking and displays way poorer sportsmanship than Cam.
 
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i couldn't give two shits about his off the field work as long as he isn't breaking the law and endangering others...the problem with johnny football is he could be an alcoholic...i don't believe he is, anymore than i think tiger woods is a sex addict...talk about a joke, the "sex addict" card that high profile people were throwing five years ago was just another sign that they are as inflallable as anyone.

at any rate, the browns have messed this up, royally...he was the first round pick after they signed mccown, a career backup...they should've let the dude play, fall on his face, get up, fall, get up, etc...they have learned absolutely nothing about him, and more importantly, neither has any other org that would be willing to send them a draft pick for his service.
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
I don't know how to explain it any better than I have. There's all these cries for Cam Newton to stop "cutting up" and stop "showing off," yet no one says one word about Josh Norman........who is way, way more annoying and does more trash-talking and displays way poorer sportsmanship than Cam.
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Norman is black as well, so I'd imagine if people liked to hate on Cam cuz he's black, they'd also like to hate on Norman cuz he's black. The difference is, Norman doesn't get as much "face time" to show what a d-bag he is like Cam does. The most he's been in the spotlight was in his battle royale with Beckham, and he and Beckham were both criticized for the poor sportsmanship they displayed in that game. If after every pass breakup, the camera focused on Norman for the next 15 minutes, and showed him dancing and flashing smiles at opposing players and running around doing dabs, supermans, "the swim", etc. He would probably be seen as just as big of a douche. The reason Cam is seen as more of a douche, is because he gets more airtime to show that side of himself off.
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
I don't know how to explain it any better than I have. There's all these cries for Cam Newton to stop "cutting up" and stop "showing off," yet no one says one word about Josh Norman........who is way, way more annoying and does more trash-talking and displays way poorer sportsmanship than Cam.
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Because Norman isn't the face of the organization. No one gives a shit about him. Cam is the most recognizable athlete for the organization and for pro sports in the South. They don't want him acting like a douchebag. And obviously you're not hearing from the right people. Because I'll criticize any player in any position of any race for acting like a brash, showboat. It's undesirable behavior. If you're saying that it's even more undesirable from a QB, I guess I'd agree with that. But it doesn't matter if the QB is black and the DB is white or vice versa. You're creating a racial discussion where there's not one.
 
gteeitup said:
.they have learned absolutely nothing about him,
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Oh, I think they've learned plenty about him. It may not be about his ability to play football. But we've all learned plenty about Johnny Football. And what I've learned and apparently what the Browns learned was that no matter how talented he is (and I don't think he's all that talented anyway), he ain't worth the shenanigans.
 
gteeitup said:
at any rate, the browns have messed this up, royally...he was the first round pick after they signed mccown, a career backup...they should've let the dude play, fall on his face, get up, fall, get up, etc...they have learned absolutely nothing about him, and more importantly, neither has any other org that would be willing to send them a draft pick for his service.
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I said this already! :p
 
Agree to disagree on this one, folks! I maintain that:

  • Fans are comfortable with their favorite team's DB's, WR's, RB's, DT's acting "black" [just using this label for the sake of this discussion....insert 'ghetto' 'thug' 'diva' or whatever you want.]
  • Fans are not comfortable with their QB acting that way.
Seems odd to me.
 
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