I haven't been around in a while and see a bunch of new handles. Just curious where OOTB stands on the election with about 2 months to go.
I'm in the Johnson camp.
I'm in the Johnson camp.
OOTB Presidential Poll : September
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Johnson/Weld. Fiscally conservative, indifferent to pointless social issues. Weld was an excellent governor of my state.
Just so you know, I voted Johnson, so don't accuse me of it. I bet it was HeelFan58.... He hates on her way too much that I think he's secretly got a big ol crush on Miss Hillary LOL
*being facetious
What we need is a poll for "who would you vote for IF you were voting for the candidate you actually prefer, rather than a candidate you think can win or can beat another one?" Most ding-a-lings on OOTB are voting to keep Hillary from winning.
How many times do you need this explained?
I'm voting for Trump because of the 4 candidates, a vote for Trump is the best option if because I want to change the direction of the country for the better.
So you are in effect voting for Hillary.
I understand voting with your pocketbook tho
I get voting for the 3rd party when there is no tangible difference between the 2 main candidates. That is not the case this year.
It's either vote Johnson or not voting at all. Explain what you mean voting my pocketbook.
Yes they are very different but both are bad for the country. I will not vote for someone who I think will hurt the country.
71 and those that think like him are the main reason we've ended up in this mess....cant fix stubborn and _______ (You can fill in the blank lol)
Actually it is the case this time. Bad + bad = bad. They both suck, both will be disastrous to the economy and both lie.
We don't know that Trump will be bad , but we already know Hillary will be a disaster ...see Iran nuclear deal , Benghazi , Egypt , Syria and hear her ads about raising corporate taxes and making the banks lend money to anybody (if you dream it , you should be able to build it ....never mind affording it). Now tell me who is the worse choice.
Trump has been trying, for months now, to show you how bad he will be. Clinton as well.
Until Trump begins to lay some detailed plans on how he will be taking care of the many, many things the president must do as well as the promises he has made to get all of these angry, fearful people to support him, I see a man that is a lot of talk and won't be much action. I think he is in over his head and he knows it.
If any of you see someone more than a business savvy individual, by all means show me how he will be this great change you all believe he will be. If you answer anything about the witch, Hillary, then I'll know you have no damn idea and you're just blowing smoke up your own ass because you only care about him because he is not her. I already know how bad she is, so convince me that he is not just this clueless narcissistic real estate mogul who simply thinks he is invincible and can do anything. He could never do my job, that I'm sure of.
Sure- here's his economic platform. Which parts concern you?
ECONOMIC VISION: WINNING THE GLOBAL COMPETITION
Last week’s GDP report showed that the economy grew a mere 1.2% in the second quarter and 1.2% over the last year. It’s the weakest recovery since the Great Depression – the predictable consequence of massive taxation, regulation, one-side trade deals and onerous energy restrictions.
This slow-growth low-jobs future doesn’t have to be. While Hillary Clinton promises more of the same failed economy agenda that have pushed another 14 million out of the workforce in the last 7 years – and that has placed forty percent of Detroit in poverty – Donald Trump is outlining a new economic vision based on a simple premise: all economic policy must be geared towards making it easier to hire, invest, build, grow and produce in America – creating a level playing field for our workers and businesses in global competition, and creating jobs here, not overseas.
High taxes and excessive regulation push jobs overseas, reduce wages, and create a smaller economy for everyone. Obama-Clinton have created a built-in advantage for our foreign competitors.
Reducing the burdens on the American economy, and creating fair trade deals, will lead to an explosion of new jobs, wealth and opportunity. That’s what America First economics is all about – making America the best place in the world to do business, and the best place in the world to get a job, raise and rising standard of living.
...continued:
Here is how we can accomplish that goal, and win the global competition for America:
1. Tax reform—
President Obama has already increased taxes by $1.7 trillion during his administration. Hillary Clinton would raise taxes by an additional $1.3 trillion over the next 10 years. According to the Tax Policy Center’s analysis of Hillary Clinton’s tax plan: “Marginal tax rates would increase, reducing incentives to work, save, and invest, and the tax code would become more complex.” In addition, Hillary would tax some small businesses by as much as nearly fifty percent; the Trump plan would limit taxes on all businesses to 15 percent of business income.
The child care exclusion will be an above-the-line deduction. Capped at the amount of average care costs in state of residence for age of child. Low-income taxpayers able to take deduction against payroll tax. The plan is structured to benefit working and middle class families, and more detail will be rolled out soon after the plans other elements.
2. Regulatory reform—
3. Trade reform—
Hillary Clinton has supported every major trade deal responsible for job losses in the United States, and will enact the TPP if given the chance.
TPP will hammer the car industry because it does not resolve, among other things, the substantial non-tariff barriers to U.S. cars being sold in Japan and other countries — including currency manipulation, excess supply and closed dealerships. According to the Peterson Institute, TPP would increase the automobile trading deficit by $23 billion by 2025.
4. Energy reform—
Energy costs the average American households $5,000 per year. As a percentage of income, the cost is greater for lower-income families. An America First Energy Plan will bring down residential and transportation energy costs, leaving more money in for American families as they pay less each month on power bills and gasoline for cars. This will also make electricity more affordable for U.S. manufacturers, which will help our companies create jobs and compete on the world stage.
President Obama sought to raise the price of energy for America’s families and businesses. He’s put much of Alaska’s reserves off limits, decreased production on federal lands by 10 percent, put 87 percent of Outer Continental Shelf reserves out of service, and shut down Atlantic lease sales costing nearly 300,00 jobs. Hillary Clinton has pledged to protect and expand these job-killing policies.
Donald Trump is committed to clean air and water, without increasing the cost of electricity. Hillary Clinton will continue President Obama’s goals of reducing methane emissions by 40-45 percent through standards for both new and existing sources, which will drastically increase the cost of natural gas; Donald Trump is committed to an “all of the above” energy plan that would encourage, not discourage, the use of natural gas and other American energy resources that will both reduce emissions but also reduce the price of energy and increase our economic output.
5. Other reforms, to be rolled out in the near future —
Contrast with Hillary Clinton:
Summary:
Trump is the candidate of the future. Hillary Clinton is the candidate of the past.
Here is how we can accomplish that goal, and win the global competition for America:
1. Tax reform—
- Simplify taxes for everyone and streamline deductions. Biggest tax reform since Reagan.
- Lower taxes for everyone, making raising a family more affordable for working families.
- Reduce dramatically the income tax.
- We will simplify the income tax from 7 brackets to 3 brackets.
- Exclude childcare expenses from taxation.
- Limit taxation of business income to 15% for every business.
- Make our corporate tax globally competitive and the United States the most attractive place to invest in the world.
- End the death tax.
President Obama has already increased taxes by $1.7 trillion during his administration. Hillary Clinton would raise taxes by an additional $1.3 trillion over the next 10 years. According to the Tax Policy Center’s analysis of Hillary Clinton’s tax plan: “Marginal tax rates would increase, reducing incentives to work, save, and invest, and the tax code would become more complex.” In addition, Hillary would tax some small businesses by as much as nearly fifty percent; the Trump plan would limit taxes on all businesses to 15 percent of business income.
The child care exclusion will be an above-the-line deduction. Capped at the amount of average care costs in state of residence for age of child. Low-income taxpayers able to take deduction against payroll tax. The plan is structured to benefit working and middle class families, and more detail will be rolled out soon after the plans other elements.
2. Regulatory reform—
- A temporary pause on new regulations and a review of previous regulations to see which need to be scrapped.
- Require each federal agency to prepare a list of all of the regulations they impose on American business, and rank them from most critical to health and safety to least critical. Least critical regulations will receive priority consideration for repeal.
- Remove bureaucrats who only know how to kill jobs; replace them with experts who know how to create jobs.
- Targeted review for regulations that inhibit hiring. These include:
- The Environmental Protection Agency’s Clean Power Plan, which forces investment in renewable energy at the expense of coal and natural gas, raising electricity rates;
- The EPA’s Waters of the United States rule, which gives the EPA the ability to regulate the smallest streams on private land, limiting land use; and
- The Department of Interior’s moratorium on coal mining permits, which put tens of thousands of coal miners out of work.
- Excessive regulation is costing our country as much as 2 trillion dollars a year, and we will end it.
3. Trade reform—
- Appoint trade negotiators whose goal will be to win for America: narrowing our trade deficit, increasing domestic production, and getting a fair deal for our workers.
- Renegotiate NAFTA.
- Withdraw from the TPP.
- Bring trade relief cases to the world trade organization.
- Label China a currency manipulator.
- Apply tariffs and duties to countries that cheat.
- Direct the Commerce Department to use all legal tools to respond to trade violations.
Hillary Clinton has supported every major trade deal responsible for job losses in the United States, and will enact the TPP if given the chance.
TPP will hammer the car industry because it does not resolve, among other things, the substantial non-tariff barriers to U.S. cars being sold in Japan and other countries — including currency manipulation, excess supply and closed dealerships. According to the Peterson Institute, TPP would increase the automobile trading deficit by $23 billion by 2025.
4. Energy reform—
- Rescind all the job-destroying Obama executive actions including the Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule.
- Save the coal industry and other industries threatened by Hillary Clinton’s extremist agenda.
- Ask Trans Canada to renew its permit application for the Keystone Pipeline.
- Make land in the Outer Continental Shelf available to produce oil and natural gas.
- Cancel the Paris Climate Agreement (limit global warming to 2 degrees Celsius) and stop all payments of U.S. tax dollars to U.N. global warming programs.
- Lift restrictions on American energy to increase:
- Economic output by $700 billion annually over the next 30 years,
- Wages by $30 billion annually over the next 7 years,
- GDP by more than $20 trillion over the next four decades, and
- Tax revenues by an additional $6 trillion over 40 years.
Energy costs the average American households $5,000 per year. As a percentage of income, the cost is greater for lower-income families. An America First Energy Plan will bring down residential and transportation energy costs, leaving more money in for American families as they pay less each month on power bills and gasoline for cars. This will also make electricity more affordable for U.S. manufacturers, which will help our companies create jobs and compete on the world stage.
President Obama sought to raise the price of energy for America’s families and businesses. He’s put much of Alaska’s reserves off limits, decreased production on federal lands by 10 percent, put 87 percent of Outer Continental Shelf reserves out of service, and shut down Atlantic lease sales costing nearly 300,00 jobs. Hillary Clinton has pledged to protect and expand these job-killing policies.
Donald Trump is committed to clean air and water, without increasing the cost of electricity. Hillary Clinton will continue President Obama’s goals of reducing methane emissions by 40-45 percent through standards for both new and existing sources, which will drastically increase the cost of natural gas; Donald Trump is committed to an “all of the above” energy plan that would encourage, not discourage, the use of natural gas and other American energy resources that will both reduce emissions but also reduce the price of energy and increase our economic output.
5. Other reforms, to be rolled out in the near future —
- Obamacare repeal and replacement—Obamacare will cost the economy 2 million full time jobs over the next decade. Hillary Clinton would expand Obamacare and create fully government-run socialized medicine.
- Infrastructure—28 percent of our roads are in substandard condition and 24 percent of bridges are structurally deficient or worse. Trump’s plan will provide the growth to boost our infrastructure, Hillary Clinton’s will not.
- Childcare— Childcare is now the single greatest expense for most American families — even exceeding the cost of housing in much of the country. Trump will allow families to exclude childcare costs from income, benefitting every family. Hillary will not.
- Crime— Homicides last year increased by 17 percent in America’s fifty largest cities. That’s the largest increase in 25 years. More than 2,000 have been shot in Chicago since January of this year alone. Donald Trump is the law and order candidate in this Presidential race.
Contrast with Hillary Clinton:
- Hillary Clinton accepts the CBO and Fed projections that the U.S. will grow only 2 percent per year. She doesn’t believe in a better future for America – only Venezuela-style redistribution of a stagnant economy.
- Hillary Clinton will raise taxes by $1.3 trillion, leading to 300,000 lost jobs and lower wages.
- Hillary Clinton will increase spending by a minimum of $3.5 trillion.
- Hillary Clinton wants to increase regulations.
- Hillary Clinton is a globalist, supporting almost every major job-killing trade deal.
- Hillary Clinton wants to shut down American energy production, a tax on the poor.
Summary:
Trump is the candidate of the future. Hillary Clinton is the candidate of the past.
Healthcare is right in your wheelhouse, right Chick- what is he missing?
HEALTHCARE REFORM TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Since March of 2010, the American people have had to suffer under the incredible economic burden of the Affordable Care Act—Obamacare. This legislation, passed by totally partisan votes in the House and Senate and signed into law by the most divisive and partisan President in American history, has tragically but predictably resulted in runaway costs, websites that don’t work, greater rationing of care, higher premiums, less competition and fewer choices. Obamacare has raised the economic uncertainty of every single person residing in this country. As it appears Obamacare is certain to collapse of its own weight, the damage done by the Democrats and President Obama, and abetted by the Supreme Court, will be difficult to repair unless the next President and a Republican congress lead the effort to bring much-needed free market reforms to the healthcare industry.
But none of these positive reforms can be accomplished without Obamacare repeal. On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
However, it is not enough to simply repeal this terrible legislation. We will work with Congress to make sure we have a series of reforms ready for implementation that follow free market principles and that will restore economic freedom and certainty to everyone in this country. By following free market principles and working together to create sound public policy that will broaden healthcare access, make healthcare more affordable and improve the quality of the care available to all Americans.
Any reform effort must begin with Congress. Since Obamacare became law, conservative Republicans have been offering reforms that can be delivered individually or as part of more comprehensive reform efforts. In the remaining sections of this policy paper, several reforms will be offered that should be considered by Congress so that on the first day of the Trump Administration, we can start the process of restoring faith in government and economic liberty to the people.
Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must:
The reforms outlined above will lower healthcare costs for all Americans. They are simply a place to start. There are other reforms that might be considered if they serve to lower costs, remove uncertainty and provide financial security for all Americans. And we must also take actions in other policy areas to lower healthcare costs and burdens. Enforcing immigration laws, eliminating fraud and waste and energizing our economy will relieve the economic pressures felt by every American. It is the moral responsibility of a nation’s government to do what is best for the people and what is in the interest of securing the future of the nation.
Providing healthcare to illegal immigrants costs us some $11 billion annually. If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve healthcare cost pressures on state and local governments.
To reduce the number of individuals needing access to programs like Medicaid and Children’s Health Insurance Program we will need to install programs that grow the economy and bring capital and jobs back to America. The best social program has always been a job – and taking care of our economy will go a long way towards reducing our dependence on public health programs.
Finally, we need to reform our mental health programs and institutions in this country. Families, without the ability to get the information needed to help those who are ailing, are too often not given the tools to help their loved ones. There are promising reforms being developed in Congress that should receive bi-partisan support.
To reform healthcare in America, we need a President who has the leadership skills, will and courage to engage the American people and convince Congress to do what is best for the country. These straightforward reforms, along with many others I have proposed throughout my campaign, will ensure that together we will Make America Great Again.
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HEALTHCARE REFORM TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Since March of 2010, the American people have had to suffer under the incredible economic burden of the Affordable Care Act—Obamacare. This legislation, passed by totally partisan votes in the House and Senate and signed into law by the most divisive and partisan President in American history, has tragically but predictably resulted in runaway costs, websites that don’t work, greater rationing of care, higher premiums, less competition and fewer choices. Obamacare has raised the economic uncertainty of every single person residing in this country. As it appears Obamacare is certain to collapse of its own weight, the damage done by the Democrats and President Obama, and abetted by the Supreme Court, will be difficult to repair unless the next President and a Republican congress lead the effort to bring much-needed free market reforms to the healthcare industry.
But none of these positive reforms can be accomplished without Obamacare repeal. On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
However, it is not enough to simply repeal this terrible legislation. We will work with Congress to make sure we have a series of reforms ready for implementation that follow free market principles and that will restore economic freedom and certainty to everyone in this country. By following free market principles and working together to create sound public policy that will broaden healthcare access, make healthcare more affordable and improve the quality of the care available to all Americans.
Any reform effort must begin with Congress. Since Obamacare became law, conservative Republicans have been offering reforms that can be delivered individually or as part of more comprehensive reform efforts. In the remaining sections of this policy paper, several reforms will be offered that should be considered by Congress so that on the first day of the Trump Administration, we can start the process of restoring faith in government and economic liberty to the people.
Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must:
- Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
- Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
- Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
- Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
- Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
- Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
- Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.
The reforms outlined above will lower healthcare costs for all Americans. They are simply a place to start. There are other reforms that might be considered if they serve to lower costs, remove uncertainty and provide financial security for all Americans. And we must also take actions in other policy areas to lower healthcare costs and burdens. Enforcing immigration laws, eliminating fraud and waste and energizing our economy will relieve the economic pressures felt by every American. It is the moral responsibility of a nation’s government to do what is best for the people and what is in the interest of securing the future of the nation.
Providing healthcare to illegal immigrants costs us some $11 billion annually. If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve healthcare cost pressures on state and local governments.
To reduce the number of individuals needing access to programs like Medicaid and Children’s Health Insurance Program we will need to install programs that grow the economy and bring capital and jobs back to America. The best social program has always been a job – and taking care of our economy will go a long way towards reducing our dependence on public health programs.
Finally, we need to reform our mental health programs and institutions in this country. Families, without the ability to get the information needed to help those who are ailing, are too often not given the tools to help their loved ones. There are promising reforms being developed in Congress that should receive bi-partisan support.
To reform healthcare in America, we need a President who has the leadership skills, will and courage to engage the American people and convince Congress to do what is best for the country. These straightforward reforms, along with many others I have proposed throughout my campaign, will ensure that together we will Make America Great Again.
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That sounds great so why does he spend most of his time insulting people. If he is actually saying these things at his rally then he needs to stop in insults that the media shows us and then they will have to show everyone his plans.
If he'd focus on this others might take him seriously. I've never heard him say any of this. I want to hear these things instead seeing a man acting like a 12 yr old.
Thanks, 71
I never bought into the panic from her growing a supposed double digit lead in the polls. We live in a very fickle, short-memoried society, and I have felt that Trump's campaign has actually been smart to basically hold back until now. Let her prematurely do her little schtick, let the media drool...and then come out both barrels loaded in crunch time. You're seeing it in action right now, and there's really nothing HRC can do about it. She hit the "turbo button" too soon...flaming out down the stretch.
Chess, not checkers.
That sounds great so why does he spend most of his time insulting people. If he is actually saying these things at his rally then he needs to stop in insults that the media shows us and then they will have to show everyone his plans.
If he'd focus on this others might take him seriously. I've never heard him say any of this. I want to hear these things instead seeing a man acting like a 12 yr old.
Thanks, 71
Trump's job is to win votes. For those who are policy wonks, he has policy positions out there. For those who want someone to show to the PC culture, he does that. For someone who wants a candidate who stands up to establishment, he does that.
But he has said these things that I poasted.
Have you watched one of his speeches recently? Trump rarely insults people, but the media will spin him into a negative light at any opportunity.
Seriously though- do you have issues with a candidate with these stated positions?
What someone posted on his website has nothing to do with the man himself. The man is unfit, in every sense of the word, to be president. To a slightly lesser degree so is Clinton. I am going to try not to post anything else about these two clowns until after the election. Wish me luck....lol
So you are voting on your gut feeling, not actually anything that either of them have said or done.
Hillary told the FBI that she couldn't remember all sorts of stuff after her concussion. Your choices are:
A) Hillary has brain damage
b) Hillary lied to the FBI.
And regardless, you still think she is a better candidate (and I could give multiple examples of similar type things has done in different scenarios. She is a horrible human being who lies, takes bribes, steals, promotes war and does it all only to further her own interests, yet because Trump says mean things you are voting for Hillary.
The stuff you posted from his website, I have no problem with. Do I think he can do all of that? No, but I don't think even Johnson or anyone for that matter can do all they promise. I have yet to see a president who can. It would be impossible especially since most of those things have to be run through congress.
I believe my biggest issue with him aside from the behavioral/personality issues, would be his ideas on how to control the illegal immigration. I absolutely believe it needs to be addressed and "fixed" as best we can fix it, but a HUGE wall will not do it. We need to go to the root of the problem and that is the one's hiring them in the first place. If there were NO jobs and NO welfare to come over for, then they would not come over, so a very HUGE invisible wall will work. I do not think deporting and separating families is a good idea either. If there are people here who have legal children, then the adults MUST become legal or they all have to go until they can do so.
I just don't believe illegals are taking our jobs, I believe employers are the problem, they are taking the jobs when they give them to illegals at a lower wage because THEY love their money more than they love their country.
I think the wall would be a waste of money that could spent elsewhere and I absolutely have NO doubt that Mexico WILL NOT pay for it. That just, to me, sounds like an incredibly ill-thought out plan and I am for saving that money and using it in areas where Americans need it. If he wants to use his own money, fine, but don't use mine on a stupid idea. Walls won't stop them if they have a reason to come over, so stop those reasons!
In all fairness though, 71, concussions DO cause those things, I know for a fact BUT if she cannot remember things she is definitely not qualified. Her lies, yep, another reason she is not fit. We have had enough liars in office, her own husband, Bush and Obama, for example. The only thing Trump cannot be judged on is war and from his comments in the past, he has flip flopped on that subject a few times.
Trump is actually being investigated for a few bribary things, one being the Jennifer Bondi thing in Florida with his foundation funds essentially "paying her off" to keep her quiet. I have heard a few other things from former business partners and contractors he has had issues with so I don't think he is on the up and up on everything either and would most definitely lie if it is to his advantage. I honestly think the man could do a fabulous job with the budget and trade policies, etc. the business stuff, but on foreign policy, he would actually be much worse than Hillary, in my opinion, simply because of his lack of experience and his hot headed "I am never wrong" mentality. She would be horrible as well, so I get it.
It bothers me to know that we really don't have two leading candidates who are truly going to be good for the job. I do believe more in Johnson, but I know because of the way America thinks about third party and how they vote, that probably will not happen, it would take a miracle, but even he could not do it all either but in my opinion, he is actually our best option out there, no doubt in my mind. I just wish others could think outside of the cult-like mentality of these two parties who are essentially brain-washing this country. BOTH parties are owned, and I don't care what you say about Trump not being owned... he just isn't owned YET, you will see if he wins.
I do appreciate this civil conversation with you though. I think I have learned something from you and I do thank you kindly for it.
His behavioral problems are a drop in the bucket compared to Hillary's. For every one thing someone can say about Trump, there are 10 about Hillary. Trump's character is closer to Gandhi than Hillary is to Trump.
No, a huge wall in and of itself won't do it. But it significantly helps in that it shows illegals that we are serious and they better not try sneaking in. Fences and guard towers don't keep all inmates from trying to escape jail, but it serves as a deterrent to most. Right now illegals can just walk across the border- something needs to be done, and a wall is much more humane than a mine field. But a minefield would be cheaper and probably be a great deterrent- would that be better for you?
Do you really think employers know when they are hiring illegals? What happens if an illegal presents a social security number? Do you know? I'm being serious. Cause here's what happens- the business pays payroll taxes and the government never tells the business that the SSN is invalid. No one is hiring illegals because it is cheaper- that is simply not true. Think about it- if a business pays an illegal in cash, then the business is paying in after tax dollars because those wages can't be deducted as an expense. It costs about 25-35% more to pay under the table cash as salary than it does to pay it and issue a W2 or 1099.
It's easy to make Mexico pay for the wall- put a tax on all monetary transfers from USA to Mexico. In other words, tax the illegals when they transfer money back home- that will pay for the wall 10 times over and cause major problems for the Mexican government because they depend on this money to serve as welfare payments, which the state does not otherwise provide. If Mexico were faced with a tax on monetary transfers, they would pay for the wall in a heartbeat.
You don't understand how Trump negotiates- how all successful businessmen negotiate. If you want something, then ask for much more than you actually want. Then, when you give in, the other party feels they are winning even though you are getting what you wanted all along.
Trump will never be owned by special interests. People who have run their own show for years do not kneel down before anyone for money. Hillary on the other hand, has been asking for donations for years and promising the moon in return.
A vote for Johnson or Stein is a vote for idealism, which is great in the classroom. However in the real world, you have 2 options from which to choose. Which one gives the country a better shot- Hillary or Trump?
Think about this. Imagine if you asked to see your wife or husband's cell phones and Ipads and he said sure, hold on. Then he goes into the bathroom, destroys all but one with a hammer and then does a hard reset with a new sim card and battery on the only remaining device and hands it to you and says he has nothing to hide.
How does anyone buy this bullshit?
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