OOTB's Political Thread . ..

[Heels Noir]

It comes to mind that a member of the executive branch once went to Ukraine to deliver a large chunk of aid but threatened right then and there to withhold...nay CANCEL...that duly appropriated money if the prosecutor investigating his son's company wasn't taken off the case. And yes of course I know he was to be fired and taken off ALL cases, but that one in particular bears witness to the ability of the executive branch to execute as it sees fit, for any reason it deems appropriate to its own interests. Please enlighten us as to the difference in what different administrations are properly allowed to do.

Don't bother repeating once more 'but the world wanted that prosecutor fired'. That isn't the point. The question is, what limits/allowances are placed on the executive branch when it comes to releasing or withholding aid, and are those limits consistent through various admins. And the answer is, the executive branch can withhold money if there is benefit to our country in doing so. That is precisely the executive branch's job.

There is nothing in this world sadder than a gullible moron who spends his hours promoting debunked conspiracy theories:

Trump Revives False Narrative on Biden and Ukraine - FactCheck.org

At a campaign rally in Iowa, President Trump cited an unsubstantiated news report to revive a widely debunked false narrative about Joe Biden's work in Ukraine on behalf of the Obama administration.

www.factcheck.org

At a campaign rally in Iowa, President Donald Trump cited an unsubstantiated news report to revive a widely debunked false narrative about Joe Biden’s work in Ukraine on behalf of the Obama administration.

As we have reported more than once last year, Biden traveled to Kyiv as vice president and warned Ukraine’s then-president, Petro Poroshenko, that the U.S. would withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees until Ukraine removed its prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, who was widely viewed as corrupt.

At the time, the international community and anti-corruption advocates in Ukraine were also calling for Shokin to be removed from office for his failure to aggressively prosecute corruption.

But Trump has repeatedly distorted the facts about Biden’s work in Ukraine to baselessly accuse his Democratic rival of seeking Shokin’s removal to help his son, Hunter, who at the time was a board member of a Ukraine gas company called Burisma. He left the board in 2019.

In Des Moines, Iowa, on Oct. 14, Trump cited “explosive documents” published earlier that day by the New York Post to revive his widely discredited claim that Biden “went to Ukraine and threatened to withhold $1 billion in aid if they did not fire the prosecutor that was investigating his son and the company that his son worked for.”

As we’ve written, there’s no evidence Hunter Biden was being investigated.

 

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[90sWoollenGymRat]

Do you really need someone to explain this to you? Do you follow anything other than FOX News?

In March 2016, then Vice President Joe Biden threatened to withhold appropriated funding to Ukraine before they heeded his demand and ousted their top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin. Since it was unnecessary for the Obama Administration to followup on these threats, no laws were violated. Furthermore, since Biden was acting in a bipartisan manner, Congress would have likely approved it since these funds would be withheld for a reason in the economic, geopolitical, and general interest of the United States.

Donald Trump, both over the summer of 2019 (which led to his first impeachment) and again with the recent and unapproved cuts to funding without the approved consent of Congress, are clear cases of overreach by the President and illegal.

The prosecutor was investigating the corrupt Burisma company that paid hunter biden, that is blackmail using USG money to protect his son's salary. Retard biden bragged on video he blackmailed Ukraine officials.

Imagine if Trump held back USG money to help his son...you would go ape shit you f-ng hypocrite.

 

[90sWoollenGymRat]

Dumbass, they pay the majority of income taxes. Your jealousy shows you are a failure in life.

 

[bluetoe]

Do you really need someone to explain this to you? Do you follow anything other than FOX News?

In March 2016, then Vice President Joe Biden threatened to withhold appropriated funding to Ukraine before they heeded his demand and ousted their top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin. Since it was unnecessary for the Obama Administration to followup on these threats, no laws were violated. Furthermore, since Biden was acting in a bipartisan manner, Congress would have likely approved it since these funds would be withheld for a reason in the economic, geopolitical, and general interest of the United States.

Donald Trump, both over the summer of 2019 (which led to his first impeachment) and again with the recent and unapproved cuts to funding without the approved consent of Congress, are clear cases of overreach by the President and illegal.

do you honestly not realize that you just capitulated, and agree that there is no essential difference between what Biden did and what Trump is doing, or are you just doing what you do best?

So Biden DID act without the congressional approval that you say Trump needs in order for his actions to be legal, It's just that Ukraine agreed to the extortion that Biden was leveraging on them, so Biden released the funds. Biden held up, i.e. he withheld, funds that Congress said were to be administered. As I pointed out in order to keep you from using the same old tired excuse, what was felt about the prosecutor in question has no bearing on anything. So of course you drag that out of your weak-ass excuse-maker anyway.

Trump, on the other hand, is holding up funds that Congress decreed be spent, but has not used the allotted funding elsewhere or done anything that keeps the funds from ultimately being used as Congress desired. It too can still be spent. But Trump, acting in the interests of our country, is re-evaluating the dispersal of said funding.

And of course because I'm dealing with you, I have to reiterate that Trump is not extorting any entity, particularly not an entity that is involved with a relative's interests.

BTW, bi-partisanship has no bearing on anything, but nice try working in that attempt to obfuscate. And what Congress would likely have done blah blah is just conjecture and as well has no bearing on anything...unless we have started operating with a crystal ball and a ouija board.

So there you go, no difference. But keep squawking, we expect no less from you.

 

[bluetoe]

There is nothing in this world sadder than a gullible moron who spends his hours promoting debunked conspiracy theories:

Trump Revives False Narrative on Biden and Ukraine - FactCheck.org

At a campaign rally in Iowa, President Trump cited an unsubstantiated news report to revive a widely debunked false narrative about Joe Biden's work in Ukraine on behalf of the Obama administration.

www.factcheck.org

At a campaign rally in Iowa, President Donald Trump cited an unsubstantiated news report to revive a widely debunked false narrative about Joe Biden’s work in Ukraine on behalf of the Obama administration.

As we have reported more than once last year, Biden traveled to Kyiv as vice president and warned Ukraine’s then-president, Petro Poroshenko, that the U.S. would withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees until Ukraine removed its prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, who was widely viewed as corrupt.

At the time, the international community and anti-corruption advocates in Ukraine were also calling for Shokin to be removed from office for his failure to aggressively prosecute corruption.

But Trump has repeatedly distorted the facts about Biden’s work in Ukraine to baselessly accuse his Democratic rival of seeking Shokin’s removal to help his son, Hunter, who at the time was a board member of a Ukraine gas company called Burisma. He left the board in 2019.

In Des Moines, Iowa, on Oct. 14, Trump cited “explosive documents” published earlier that day by the New York Post to revive his widely discredited claim that Biden “went to Ukraine and threatened to withhold $1 billion in aid if they did not fire the prosecutor that was investigating his son and the company that his son worked for.”

As we’ve written, there’s no evidence Hunter Biden was being investigated.

I think all of us who aren't willing dupes understand that Biden had ulterior motives. You are the most willing of dupes, and you are an outstanding dupe among the willing, so you haven't surprised anyone here. And of course I already addressed that you would drag this standard dem apologist crock out as expected. Ho hum.

 

[bluetoe]

nice fairy tale, sad that you would actually use it to try to get an unfounded point across.

 

[90sWoollenGymRat]

Nazi propaganda the left wing "national socialist" media pushes their lies about Trump while they covered up biden's terrible economy.

 

[90sWoollenGymRat]

Biden's turd clinton left bush the 9/11 terrorists in the country and biden is leaving various ticking timebombs for Trump.

The thousands of criminals and terrorists lurking in the shadows are biden's fault.

 

[90sWoollenGymRat]

NGOs, political PACs and states are suing the Trump Admin for not giving them tax money promised under biden's evil regime. For example, California is suing over Trump blocking money for the EV infrastructure blackhole promised under biden. The corrupt politicians in CA have been stealing Federal and state tax dollars "promised" for the high speed train that has never been built, so they cannot be trusted anymore with DC handouts.

Elections have consequences, the new Admin should not have to continue BS and criminal activities put in place by the previous criminals. This would be like some employees suing the new CEO because the previous CEO gave out $20,000 Christmas bonuses which put the company in financial problems. New leadership means changes.

Do you scumbag leftists think Belichick should be forced to continue what Mack was doing with our football program?

 

[Heels Noir]

do you honestly not realize that you just capitulated, and agree that there is no essential difference between what Biden did and what Trump is doing, or are you just doing what you do best?

I'm amused that I have to correct you multiple times on the same matter. This happens a lot, and without knowing you in person, I'm always wondering if it is because you are in fact that dense or if you're just so devoted to Donald Trump that you will argue with anyone who says a bad thing about him no matter how foolish it makes you look.

To address your wildly erratic contention that there is no difference: Joe Biden never withheld appropriated funds from our allies or Americans, which is illegal. Donald Trump did and is doing it again.

 

[Heels Noir]

Another stunt by MTG blows up in her face.

 

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[bluetoe]

I'm amused that I have to correct you multiple times on the same matter. This happens a lot, and without knowing you in person, I'm always wondering if it is because you are in fact that dense or if you're just so devoted to Donald Trump that you will argue with anyone who says a bad thing about him no matter how foolish it makes you look.

To address your wildly erratic contention that there is no difference: Joe Biden never withheld appropriated funds from our allies or Americans, which is illegal. Donald Trump did and is doing it again.

except you haven't corrected me on a single thing, you've only SAID you have...and we of course know what that's worth and how often you use that ploy. The only question is whether you're really that dumb or if you're just being as disingenuous as usual. I'm sure you know which way I would vote.

Doesn't matter about that though, the bottom line is that you have failed to show an essential difference between what Biden did and what Trump did; but because you have a TDS-riddled brain, you squeal like a little piggy about Trump. We'd be shocked if you weren't as usual acting out of extreme butthurt.

 

[bluetoe]

Biden's turd clinton left bush the 9/11 terrorists in the country and biden is leaving various ticking timebombs for Trump.

The thousands of criminals and terrorists lurking in the shadows are biden's fault.

This is exactly right. Clinton's Republican-fostered balanced budget trimmed national security rather than entitlements. The result? 9/11 terrorists took their flying lessons here while Clinton was in office, and they were handed off to Bush to deal with. Tragedy more extreme than can be imagined ensued.

Case in point, Clinton had the opportunity to take out Bin Laden but instead decided not to, based on how it might reflect on the legal propriety and how that might reflect on his presidential image. Three guesses what Trump would have done, and the first two don't count. He would have nailed the bastard, and @Heels Noir would stil be sobbing about how he didn't get the approval of Congress.

This is what dems do. They promote soft-headedness and soft-heartedness instead of meeting reality head on and dealing with it effectively, and then blame the right when the shit hits the fan.

 

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[90sWoollenGymRat]

Where do you swine find these asinine memes?

 

[90sWoollenGymRat]

This is exactly right. Clinton's Republican-fostered balanced budget trimmed national security rather than entitlements. The result? 9/11 terrorists took their flying lessons here while Clinton was in office, and they were handed off to Bush to deal with. Tragedy more extreme than can be imagined ensued.

Case in point, Clinton had the opportunity to take out Bin Laden but instead decided not to, based on how it might reflect on the legal propriety and how that might reflect on his presidential image. Three guesses what Trump would have done, and the first two don't count. He would have nailed the bastard, and @Heels Noir would stil be sobbing about how he didn't get the approval of Congress.

This is what dems do. They promote soft-headedness and soft-heartedness instead of meeting reality head on and dealing with it effectively, and then blame the right when the shit hits the fan.

Dick Morris, clinton's CoS, said clinton turned down the CIA 3 times when they gave him chances to kill UBL. Morris said clinton was worried about the little kiddies and women hanging around UBL, especially if CNN caught wind of it. You know it is bad killing the kiddies of terrorists in the minds of left wing trash. I say the relatives and friends hanging out with scum of the Earth are targets too since the main objective is to kill the terrorist, not protect his family.

You know when the SEALs shot and killed some women at the UBL compound during that raid, it pissed off obama, hillary, etc. They likely wanted him arrested for a trial, but the woman in the room was armed with an AK-47, so they both got killed.

When Trump killed the top IRGC General when the was visiting Iraq, the left wing trash went nuts...it's as if they support islamic terrorists. Hmmmm....

 

[90sWoollenGymRat]

Eventually these scum are going to need to be locked in mental wards for being insane trying to pass a Gender Law protecting trannies invading female sports and private spaces. Even the cajun talking penis (Carville) thinks they are insane and destroying the demoncrat party.

male NUTs in female locker rooms

 

[pooponduke]

Oh the vaunted J6 Committee. That bastion of truth and justice that was only seeking to hold those accountable for their deeds. So much so that they had to hide testimony from the public, destroy their "evidence" when they closed their doors, and receive autopen pardons before anyone else had the opportunity to look at their "good" work.

Well, here's one of those alleged Republicans that was hand-picked by Nancy to join the club instead of those actually nominated by the R's. One thing I will give her, she is consistent. Only Liz could make a religiously significant event about her hatred for R's and Trump.

 

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[chickenhunter]

What would you consider 'their fair share'?

What is 'their fair share'? Is there a percentage or just an amount your ilk wants to impose? If its so fuggin important, why arent they left leaning billionaires offering to pay more? WHy doesnt Okrah, Dwayne Johnson, Bezos, Buffett, Jay Z, Dr. Dre, etc offer to pay more? Are you only pissed at the conservative billionaires? Why not millionaires too? At what dollar amount is the cut off for the 'pay your fair share' crying stop?

 

[pooponduke]

What would you consider 'their fair share'?


What is 'their fair share'? Is there a percentage or just an amount your ilk wants to impose? If its so fuggin important, why arent they left leaning billionaires offering to pay more? WHy doesnt Okrah, Dwayne Johnson, Bezos, Buffett, Jay Z, Dr. Dre, etc offer to pay more? Are you only pissed at the conservative billionaires? Why not millionaires too? At what dollar amount is the cut off for the 'pay your fair share' crying stop?

Love this. It's never about what's fair or anyone's fair share, it's about appealing to the masses and making them into victims of the rich. And, of course, there is no rationality or logic to this claim at the outset. First, they pay the bulk of the monies contrary to the implication. Second, they pay exactly what they are supposed to pay under the existing tax codes, regardless of political viewpoint.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Where do you swine find these asinine memes?

Can't refute the meme so you engage in name-calling and foul language. Just like your mama and Jesus taught you, I'm sure. Good boy.

 

[90sWoollenGymRat]

"Those that do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

The stupid leftists that think socialism will work if the US tries it...

 

[90sWoollenGymRat]

Can't refute the meme so you engage in name-calling and foul language. Just like your mama and Jesus taught you, I'm sure. Good boy.

Run along swine, you need to go find more stupid memes.

 

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Run along swine, you need to go find more stupid memes.

You do pose a challenge. I struggle to find a meme stupid enough for you.

Maybe some day.

 

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"Those that do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

The stupid leftists that think socialism will work if the US tries it...

If Sweden and Norway and several others can make it work, why are you so sure America can't?

Then again, you might be right . . . people like you live here, after all.

 

[bluetoe]

Love this. It's never about what's fair or anyone's fair share, it's about appealing to the masses and making them into victims of the rich. And, of course, there is no rationality or logic to this claim at the outset. First, they pay the bulk of the monies contrary to the implication. Second, they pay exactly what they are supposed to pay under the existing tax codes, regardless of political viewpoint.

and if the existing tax codes are unfair, you can't reasonably call them unfair to the less wealthy. You can explain all day long that placing a much bigger tax burden on the super-rich won't solve our economic issues, and it won't matter...it's all about that illusory 'fair share', born of human-natured resentment......like the hippie dippie TYA song says,

Tax the rich, feed the poor
'Til there are no rich no more

I would like to be super rich, but it doesn't bother me that I'm not. I'm not, and I don't resent it because I know that if I had made different choices and done things differently, I very well could be; and I celebrate that reality, because it doesn't exist elsewhere like it does here.

More importantly, I know that the achievement of becoming super rich has benefits for all of us. All our lives are better for the achievements of the super wealthy, at least generally speaking. I do NOT want to 'fair share' wealth out of existence. I don't want to live in the dump that would result.

 

[bluetoe]

Can't refute the meme so you engage in name-calling and foul language. Just like your mama and Jesus taught you, I'm sure. Good boy.

foul language? 'Asinine' isn't foul language. Maybe you think he misspelled 'assinine', a non-existent word. He didn't. I won't argue your point about name-calling, although I think overreactions to name-calling are overrated.

If you'll consider it honestly, that meme and some of your others are kind of asinine, you filthy swine. Har har.

 

[nctransplant]

If Sweden and Norway and several others can make it work, why are you so sure America can't?

Then again, you might be right . . . people like you live here, after all.

Last I knew you could move to Sweden and Norway.

 

[bluetoe]

If Sweden and Norway and several others can make it work, why are you so sure America can't?

Then again, you might be right . . . people like you live here, after all.

a little education for you.

What it is and what it be like

'Making it work' doesn't mean anything. Everything works until it doesn't. Slavery works if you have the tolerance for it. It isn't what works, it's what you are willing to tolerate in order to get the benefit. I am willing to tolerate that some people can wipe their behinds with 1000 dollar bills if they want to, because that means I can too if I can get my hands on one....just maybe not nearly as frequently as others. Or at all. That's not a bad choice either, and we all have the freedom to not wipe our behinds with Grover Cleveland.

America. Non-socialist for the most part but teetering against the clueless, uninformed totterers who couldn't tell a golden egg from a goose turd.

 

[Heels Noir]

Uh-oh, Trump blinked

In another case of the artless deal, Donald Trump succumbed today to the notorious Chinese torture chamber. After initially raising the tariff on goods from China in February to 10%, and later to an astronomical 145%, Trump has agreed to end the stupidity and bring that number down to 30%. That's still quite a bit higher than it was when he came into office but considerably lower than what it was yesterday.

Nevertheless, this 30% tariff -- or let's call it what it is -- this 30% tax on Americans was unnecessary to begin with and it now leaves Trump defeated and wallowing in Xi's shadow. Way to go, Donnie!

 

[Heels Noir]

It's 9:30 in the morning in Beijing and the victory party continues: