OOTB's Political Thread . ..

[pooponduke]

The democrats even conceded within 24 hours! They admitted they lost.

Hey! Let's bitch about the one we still lost 4 years ago!

I'll give you that it's super early to revisit this topic and he should let the shine of the win diminish a bit before the past election gets explored once again, but the irony of this complaint from you is rich.

If Hillary gets to do Memoir Number 4, she'll do interviews to "bitch about the one we still lost [8] years ago!"

He won yesterday... move-the-fvck-on.

And the irony of this is thicker than cement. Again, I'll concede any discussion about the prior election can wait (although there are some very, very interesting observations to be made in comparing some things/trends). But you never stop arguing over an event that ended 159 years ago and you want to tell @bluetoe to move on. That's some funny stuff.

There will be all kinds of observations made about the breakdown of how Trump won this thing. Trends and comparisons to the prior election loss and the win in the one before that are natural and part of that process. Making observations about things like crazy, unusual turnout shouldn't be off the table or verboten to speak of just because one doesn't agree with the idea of some conspiracy or less than appropriate actions. Particularly in the absence of a compelling argument to explain something, there are always going to be theories to fill that void.

 

[pooponduke]

I haven't gone back and looked to be certain, but have we heard at all from @joeydavid ? I'm afraid peewee may have done something in the category of self harm. He's probably just still processing how he could have been so wrong. Talk about being all in.

 

[nctransplant]

I thought today would be a good day for some music to soothe the souls. The first one is for our Libs, the second is for us conservatives.

 

[pooponduke]

That's debatable. What isn't debatable is that Hispanics, as a whole, are more conservative on social issues. That would put them more in line with the GOP.

Agree with this and don't understand why @blazers makes the pitch of Hispanics benefiting more from progressive policies. First, everyone benefits short term from any type of gift from someone else, but long term no one benefits from this when the entity doing the "giving" doesn't have anything to actually give. Hispanics are no different from anyone else and this class/categorical distinction stuff is a big part of the problem. Everyone benefits from policies that allows them to work hard and thrive. And from my perspective on Hispanics, all they want is the opportunity to do just that, like most Americans.

Which also brings up one of my pet peeves with the D's and media. Stop lumping all Hispanics/immigrants into one big basket. Immigrants come from all kinds of places and aren't just Hispanic. Further, there is a big, big, big difference between immigrants and illegals. Or, more accurately immigrants and criminals. They are not the same and should not be spoken of as one group. We desperately need to address the actual topic of immigration in our country, but criminally entering our country and then acting like those individuals are the same as the ones who legitimately applied and/or were processed at a legal port of entry is a false narrative being sold to us.

 

[pooponduke]

This is another parody and funny in its own right, but it contains references to the last election so I thought it appropriate in light of the pissing match above. Also, watch til the end as it continues after the creator appears.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I thought today would be a good day for some music to soothe the souls. The first one is for our Libs, the second is for us conservatives.

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Ooh, I too have one for the libs:

 

[pooponduke]

This is likely the moment that CNN realized she was toast. "HOLY SMOKES, literally nothing? Literally not one county?"

 

[pooponduke]

Is this TRUE? Shocking if it is. At least as it generalizes how people think in particular locales.

 

[blazers]

And the irony of this is thicker than cement. Again, I'll concede any discussion about the prior election can wait (although there are some very, very interesting observations to be made in comparing some things/trends). But you never stop arguing over an event that ended 159 years ago and you want to tell @bluetoe to move on. That's some funny stuff.

Civil war actually happened.

Fraud didn't. Paper recounts (often multiple, and often done by RED SoS) proved there was no mass fraud. It's a fabrication that you fell for.

 

[blazers]

Is this TRUE? Shocking if it is. At least as it generalizes how people think in particular locales.

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It is wrong. Looks a few times. Thanks for the spam.
If you fall for this, then no wonder...

 

[gunslingerdick]

Civil war actually happened.

Fraud didn't. Paper recounts (often multiple, and often done by RED SoS) proved there was no mass fraud. It's a fabrication that you fell for.

“Gawd, you’re gullible.”

🤣

 

[pooponduke]

It is wrong. Looks a few times. Thanks for the spam.
If you fall for this, then no wonder...

I didn't "fall" for anything, it's why I asked, numbnuts. But I don't understand what "Looks a few times" means? (and specific note: as if this space has never been flooded with spam - guess it's not spam if it supports your agenda).

 

[pooponduke]

Civil war actually happened.

Fraud didn't. Paper recounts (often multiple, and often done by RED SoS) proved there was no mass fraud. It's a fabrication that you fell for.

Nice move of the goalposts. The issue was "getting over it" and "moving on" which are a completely different issue. We never even get to those things if something never happened. Whether something happened or didn't would be irrelevant as conceptually we are either allowed to talk about the past or we aren't.

Now, you'll probably tell me this isn't accurate or it's spam, but doesn't this anomaly seem to be just a little out of wack? KH got almost exactly what everyone else gets, except one. Things that make you go "Hmmmmm".

 

[nctransplant]

The Harris campaign had $1B in the bank, Oct. 16 $118M, and now $20M in debt.

 

[tarheel0910]

Kinda disappointed in this thread since the election. Was expecting a lot better from you guys, but both performances have been pretty weak.

 

[pooponduke]

I checked Snopes as I figured they'd paint the best picture possible. They did not disappoint. Basically, the X is somewhat true, just not in absolutes and my point remains about it being an interesting observation of the way people think about the need for photo ID to vote. In those areas not requiring a photo ID, KH did very well.

"Of those 15 states and the District of Columbia, as of Nov. 6, AP projected Harris to win California, the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Vermont and Washington. AP also projected Harris led in Maine. Further, the news organization projected Trump won Pennsylvania — a battleground state only requiring first-time voters to present a photo or non-photo ID.

As for the remaining 35 states, Ballotpedia noted 25 required photo ID to vote while 10 others required non-photo ID. In states generally requiring photo ID to vote, AP projected Harris won New Hampshire and Rhode Island. In states generally requiring non-photo ID, AP projected Harris won Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware and Virginia.

In other words, AP projected Harris won most of the states generally not requiring ID to vote but also projected her as victorious in some other states that required voters to present ID. The statements made in the aforementioned X post was misleading and not true."

https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/06/harris-2024-voter-id/

 

[blazers]

I didn't "fall" for anything, it's why I asked, numbnuts. But I don't understand what "Looks a few times" means? (and specific note: as if this space has never been flooded with spam - guess it's not spam if it supports your agenda).

What agenda, that you don't easily fall for misinfo? That you look at both maps for the two states not supporting the claim?

 

[blazers]

Kinda disappointed in this thread since the election. Was expecting a lot better from you guys, but both performances have been pretty weak.

This thread has been pretty dead over the last yr. I think it could pick back up once Trump makes it to Jan 20.

 

[pooponduke]

Kinda disappointed in this thread since the election. Was expecting a lot better from you guys, but both performances have been pretty weak.

Me too. And I like to argue, but arguing with myself is never a fun endeavor. I always win and lose.

 

[pooponduke]

What agenda

This isn't the terrible joke thread my man.

 

[nctransplant]

This thread has been pretty dead over the last yr. I think it could pick back up once Trump makes it to Jan 20.

True. Lot's of celebrating to do then.

 

[pooponduke]

In light of the Elon game having started the bb season and the big show down with Kansas coming up, I thought I'd post this one since it's got a nice Carolina related twist. Side note, she's got quite the collection of stuffed animals going there. Sound on.

 

[nctransplant]

In light of the Elon game having started the bb season and the big show down with Kansas coming up, I thought I'd post this one since it's got a nice Carolina related twist. Side note, she's got quite the collection of stuffed animals going there. Sound on.

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Is that @joeydavid ?

 

[blazers]

This isn't the terrible joke thread my man.

You said with your own bolding "Is this TRUE? Shocking if it is."

Simply comparing the pics shows 2 states require PHOTO voter ID - NH, Rhode Island. Then 3 others, Virginia, Connecticut, Delaware, require non-photo ID.

Thanks for fact-checking yourself though, maybe try that next time before you post it? The internet is full of BS like this.

 

[nctransplant]

You said with your own bolding "Is this TRUE? Shocking if it is."

Simply comparing the pics shows 2 states require PHOTO voter ID - NH, Rhode Island. Then 3 others, Virginia, Connecticut, Delaware, require non-photo ID.

Thanks for fact-checking yourself though, maybe try that next time before you post it? The internet is full of BS like this.

Better tell @joeydavid !

 

[pooponduke]

Better tell @joeydavid !

But it's not spam if it fits his agenda. Except he doesn't have one according to his question.

 

[pooponduke]

You said with your own bolding "Is this TRUE? Shocking if it is."

Simply comparing the pics shows 2 states require PHOTO voter ID - NH, Rhode Island. Then 3 others, Virginia, Connecticut, Delaware, require non-photo ID.

Thanks for fact-checking yourself though, maybe try that next time before you post it? The internet is full of BS like this.

As an aside, what qualifies as a "non-photo ID"? Seriously. This is 2024. How could an ID be non-photo and actually be considered anything remotely approaching an ID?

 

[nctransplant]

LOL at liberal women. The Kamala women supporters are trying to start a 4B movement. No dating men, no marrying men, no children, no sex with men. Hell I didn't know any men wanted them anyway. And I wholeheartedly support their movement.

 

[blazers]

Now, you'll probably tell me this isn't accurate or it's spam, but doesn't this anomaly seem to be just a little out of wack? KH got almost exactly what everyone else gets, except one. Things that make you go "Hmmmmm".

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The deltas are interesting, but make me only go hmm, not hmmmmm. Kamala only has 84% of the votes Biden got.

a) Total votes are still trickling in (from many blue places), hence the reason we still don't know so many House seats out west, she's up to 68 million. Not as many as the Big Guy, but more than HRC got in 2016.
b) It makes sense to me that Biden was more attractive than HRC and Harris, esp being a white male while the incumbent just presided over covid.
c) Trump is also lower compared to 2020, by 2+ million.

There were lots of "double haters" this summer, many had voted for Biden 2020 , some had voted Trump 2020. Many became never-trumpers. I think many of them simply didn't vote, like our very own tarheel0190. Trump recouped these non-votes via the Latino vote, some black male vote, tons of young white male vote. Obviously those double haters weren't fans of Kamala (or incumbents or establishment or whatever).

 

[blazers]

@pooponduke continuing on the 84% part.

Josh Stein, NC's dem Gov won 350,000 more votes than Harris. His opponent was obviously a nut. She had 88% of his votes. Clearly Americans just weren't jazzed about voting for Kamala the way they were for Biden (or the way purple NC'rs were jazzed for a Josh Stein type of gov [white male] vs Mark Robinson).

 

[strummingram]

Nice move of the goalposts. The issue was "getting over it" and "moving on" which are a completely different issue. We never even get to those things if something never happened. Whether something happened or didn't would be irrelevant as conceptually we are either allowed to talk about the past or we aren't.

Now, you'll probably tell me this isn't accurate or it's spam, but doesn't this anomaly seem to be just a little out of wack? KH got almost exactly what everyone else gets, except one. Things that make you go "Hmmmmm".

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Now show Trump's totals against the other GOP candidates. I don't think Romney or McCain ever got 74 & 71 million votes. I know it must really be a bite in ass that Trump lost to Joe Biden. But, it happened. Ignoring the teeth marks on your fanny is your choice. They're still there.

 

[strummingram]

I'll give you that it's super early to revisit this topic and he should let the shine of the win diminish a bit before the past election gets explored once again, but the irony of this complaint from you is rich.

If Hillary gets to do Memoir Number 4, she'll do interviews to "bitch about the one we still lost [8] years ago!"


And the irony of this is thicker than cement. Again, I'll concede any discussion about the prior election can wait (although there are some very, very interesting observations to be made in comparing some things/trends). But you never stop arguing over an event that ended 159 years ago and you want to tell @bluetoe to move on. That's some funny stuff.

There will be all kinds of observations made about the breakdown of how Trump won this thing. Trends and comparisons to the prior election loss and the win in the one before that are natural and part of that process. Making observations about things like crazy, unusual turnout shouldn't be off the table or verboten to speak of just because one doesn't agree with the idea of some conspiracy or less than appropriate actions. Particularly in the absence of a compelling argument to explain something, there are always going to be theories to fill that void.

The ramifications of the civil war are still being felt to this day. A conspiracy theory of an election being stolen, that wasn't even stolen... that never happened... it's a fiction. Of course that doesn't stop maga cult members, and especially the cult leader, from obsessing over it. Have at it. Stand still in the cement, while it dries.

 

[gunslingerdick]

You said with your own bolding "Is this TRUE? Shocking if it is."

Simply comparing the pics shows 2 states require PHOTO voter ID - NH, Rhode Island. Then 3 others, Virginia, Connecticut, Delaware, require non-photo ID.

Thanks for fact-checking yourself though, maybe try that next time before you post it? The internet is full of BS like this.

You’re the type of guy that can’t see the forest for the trees. I think the pics tell a story if one is willing to read between the lines. Is it exact? No. But the message is clear.

 

[strummingram]

You’re the type of guy that can’t see the forest for the trees. I think the pics tell a story if one is willing to read between the lines. Is it exact? No. But the message is clear.

Gawd, you're gullible.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Gawd, you're gullible.

I must be. My silly ass maintained that Trump was gonna walk the dog on Kamala’s dumb ass. I based that on nothing more than the disinformation polls I was seeing. Look what that got me!

🤣

 

[strummingram]

I must be. My silly ass maintained that Trump was gonna walk the dog on Kamala’s dumb ass. I based that on nothing more than the disinformation polls I was seeing. Look what that got me!

🤣

What did it get you? You picked Trump to win... what a shock. No one saw that coming.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Anyone have any predictions on when Joe issues the pardon for Hunter?

Very unlikely that Joe breaks his promise.

 

[nctransplant]

Very unlikely that Joe breaks his promise.

It will happen or Trump will throw him a bone in the spirit of unity. If Joe doesn't do it you can guarantee he got a promise from Trump to do it. If Biden does it it will be because Trump told him to go fvck himself.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

The deltas are interesting, but make me only go hmm, not hmmmmm. Kamala only has 84% of the votes Biden got.

a) Total votes are still trickling in (from many blue places), hence the reason we still don't know so many House seats out west, she's up to 68 million. Not as many as the Big Guy, but more than HRC got in 2016.
b) It makes sense to me that Biden was more attractive than HRC and Harris, esp being a white male while the incumbent just presided over covid.
c) Trump is also lower compared to 2020, by 2+ million.

There were lots of "double haters" this summer, many had voted for Biden 2020 , some had voted Trump 2020. Many became never-trumpers. I think many of them simply didn't vote, like our very own tarheel0190. Trump recouped these non-votes via the Latino vote, some black male vote, tons of young white male vote. Obviously those double haters weren't fans of Kamala (or incumbents or establishment or whatever).

A minor point but the post is dishonest in the sense that the graph doesn't start at zero, and therefore exaggerates the 2020 difference.

That doesn't change the fact that 2020 is an outlier.

What was different about 2020? Two obvious things:

1. COVID. Most levels of government went out of their way to make it easier to vote. Circumventing some of the traditional suppression tactics.

2. Biden was probably the only sincere pro-labor candidate in the last half century (not counting Bernie).

 

[gunslingerdick]

What did it get you? You picked Trump to win... what a shock. No one saw that coming?

Not only did I pick Trump to win, but I picked him to historically kick her ass. Despite the gullible fools like you and the other losers here screaming that “crypto bros are moving the betting lines”, “fake conservative polls are making it seem like Trump has a chance”, and “Look! Everyone is leaving Trump’s rallies.” 🤣

What did it get me? It got me the opportunity to shove a shit sandwich down your throat. Down @blazers throat. Down @prlyles , @joeydavid and others’ throats. What will it get me? An America I like better. Cry about it.

You’re just muddying the waters in an effort to rain on my parade. What you’re too simple to understand is that you doing what you’re doing is exactly what I was hoping for and expected. I couldn’t be more pleased. I also like how @blazers is here digging into the numbers to try and make some sense out of it all. He really can’t understand how it happened because Kamala HQ and all the other Twitter threads he was following were telling him that Kamala was packing airports and coliseums and there was real enthusiasm behind her campaign! But I’m the gullible one. Sure thing, pal. Cope harder. I’m good.