lol, like you would know what would pass for reasoning.
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dude. You're seriously questioning that the left is obsessed with Trump? Try to not start off an argument with immediately trashing any credibility you might need to establish.
obama definitely made such a reference. Not only that, I'm not so sure he wasn't the de facto president pulling Biden's strings...or at least some of them. Somebody sure as hell was.
And again man, if you want to be taken seriously, don't even try to suggest that you dimwits wouldn't have backed a third term attempt by either Clinton or obama.
somebody said no one on this side is deranged? I must have missed that. Do you know who it was?
no, I have to admit I missed any reports on tan suits. Damn, I miss all the important stuff. Maybe I should just obsess on Trump like the left does. Oh wait, that's right...you say you don't do that. Alrighty then. I believe you, har har.
I also see that you fall right into the mentality of calling criticism of a black man racism, and that said racism seems to be pervasive on the right. But for actual examples, you choose to provide what some few extreme numbskulls did to display their displeasure with obama.
So, why would anyone be displeased with a president so bent on being the man to usher in the leftist goal of universal healthcare that he had a huge, purposely deceptive proposal crafted in order to sell it to the gullible? We want our president to lie like that don't we? No wait, you are the one complaining about a president lying. I guess you missed obama's big lie. It was a lie that actually made a huge difference and affected us all, and not just a shit talker talking shit. Oh, OK I see. Lies with consequences are OK, if they come from the left.... it's the meaningless shit talking on the right that's what we need to get hysterical over because our democracy can't hold up to a little shit talking, but huge deceptions can be taken in stride. See my comments on keeping up with lefty logic..
Back to the racism thing. We are told to treat everyone equally except that when we do, it's racism just because you decide to say it is. It isn't treating people equally when people are treated equally I guess. In order to treat people equally, we need to treat them UNequally, right? It sure isn't easy making sense of the leftist right and wrong of things. I'm starting to think, as crazy as it might seem, that that's because leftists just don't make sense. It's almost like they are just rank hypocrites.
So was there an obsession with obama? Well, yes and no. The media was obsessed with promoting him and presenting him only in a good light, while the right was obsessed with the media's refusal to report anything negative about him. So if that's what you mean, you are correct.
here you are again comparing a few conspiracy people and individuals to the undeniable wholesale leftist obsession with Trump. Get a better angle of attack so I can stop laughing.
But I have to admit, I did obsess on Clinton there for a while. I obsessed on how a government official could do what she did and get completely away with it while dirt had to be manufactured in order to make a different government official pay for what he wasn't guilty of.
I'll tell you exactly what could be more deranged. It was more TDS derangement to try to make it seem that Trump had practically called for the riots at the Capitol when he actually called for a peaceful gathering of protest over what he believed was a stolen election. He was far from being alone in believing that the election was hokey. A protest was not out of order. That it became something more serious was not Trump's doing but the lying-ass dems never let truth get in the way of an agenda.
And it was even more deranged to put on a politically-motivated and contrived telethon to try to sell the idea on a grander scale. That's what we pay our elected officials for, to put on a huge farce that you apparently have no objection to. A huge farce instead of looking after our interests. Those responsible should get their proper comeuppance.
I missed the tan suit crisis as well. The reference, however, did remind me of something that annoyed me personally. Obama constantly would wear a suit or take off the coat of a suit, and regularly would not wear a tie. And he would do so in situations that had traditionally called for formality or appropriate attire. Constantly. It drove me bananas as it just didn't fit my eye, so to speak. It would be like putting on pants and not pulling up the zipper or something. He was the first president I could ever remember doing so and it was something that always jumped out to me. An oddity I know and it could have been a personal quirk. I have no idea or even care if it meant anything or was reflective of something in his background. Just always caught my eye, tan suit or not.
“And it was even more deranged to put on a politically-motivated and contrived telethon to try to sell the idea on a grander scale. That's what we pay our elected officials for, to put on a huge farce that you apparently have no objection to. A huge farce instead of looking after our interests. Those responsible should get their proper comeuppance.”
And to have more than 20 undercover CIA operatives actively inciting the demonstrators to enter the Capitol building. Ergo why Trump’s repeated offers of additional security were declined. Dims orchestrated the entire operation. Clever but dastardly behavior. But they got the “insurrection” for their propaganda arms(MSM) to rail about for untold years.
And to have more than 20 undercover CIA operatives actively inciting the demonstrators to enter the Capitol building. Ergo why Trump’s repeated offers of additional security were declined. Dims orchestrated the entire operation. Clever but dastardly behavior. But they got the “insurrection” for their propaganda arms(MSM) to rail about for untold years.
Slow down GymRat. We have to believe only and exactly what the orange Atilla the Hun said to us. There will be no voting of individual areas and we won't be having the silliness of multiple states. Absolutely not - that's not what he said. We will be taking the whole of Canada by force and the entirety of the second largest country in the world will become the 51st state. Screw Alaska, Texas, and California. They better get ready to move down the list a notch.
I know what you mean and I know it can be meaningful to dress according to the occasion, but it doesn't bother me to see anyone be more relaxed in day-in, day-out mode. I'm laughing a little, I guess you don't remember Jimmy Carter. He wore blue jeans and a sweater in the WH. That was the part of him I was simpatico with, the part that wasn't taking himself too seriously (but was taking the job seriously) and wasn't putting on a show for nothing but the appearance of it like a typical politician tends to do. I hate empty suits..
“I also see that you fall right into the mentality of calling criticism of a black man racism, and that said racism seems to be pervasive on the right. But for actual examples, you choose to provide what some few extreme numbskulls did to display their displeasure with obama.”
That’s what Dims do. If you criticize Obama giving 1.7 billion dollars to Iran, you’re a racist. If you criticize any of Hillary’s shenanigans, you’re a misogynist. If you criticize Biden welcoming in tens of millions of illegals, you’re a xenophobe. In their world, everyone is a victim that Dims are trying to rescue even though they are responsible for trying to make people feel victimized. Really twisted people.
That’s what Dims do. If you criticize Obama giving 1.7 billion dollars to Iran, you’re a racist. If you criticize any of Hillary’s shenanigans, you’re a misogynist. If you criticize Biden welcoming in tens of millions of illegals, you’re a xenophobe. In their world, everyone is a victim that Dims are trying to rescue even though they are responsible for trying to make people feel victimized. Really twisted people.
Don't misunderstand. I've got no issue with dressing casually when appropriate and I remember Jimmy very well. In fact, although I rarely agreed with his politics, I vividly remember the day I shook his hand in my little town before he became our president. Blue jeans in the WH are fine by me, but not at a State dinner. What I'm talking about is the absence of something that was appropriate. For example, if someone was driving a convertible in rain with the top down, you'd assume that it simply was broken. But if you saw them regularly with the top up and then saw them drive around in the rain with the top down, it just wouldn't sit right. It was as if Obama was trying to play both sides of the fence (shocker). He wore a suit or dress clothes, but was still cool because he had no tie.
I had to laugh when @uncboy10 said Obama prevented Iran from getting a nuclear weapon for 8 years and that Iran gave us oversight of their nuclear capabilities. What a crock. Not only did Iran refuse to let monitors in to look at their facilities after they got the $1.7 billion, but they used that money to move much closer to having the bomb and further fund global terrorism. Talk about denial.
"They" are unmatched when it comes to revision of historical events. It's truly impressive from a sick point of view. It's why I didn't even respond. Actual events as they happened will never get in the way of a narrative and current agenda.
Anyone notice all the media coverage that the final report, two years later, on the transgender Nashville shooter was finally released?
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Yeah, don't break your fingers looking for it. If you find something, let us know if they report the part that she actually wanted to shoot up a different school but picked a different target because that school was predominately black and she didn't want to be accused of being a racist.
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Yeah, don't break your fingers looking for it. If you find something, let us know if they report the part that she actually wanted to shoot up a different school but picked a different target because that school was predominately black and she didn't want to be accused of being a racist.
wait, you aren't saying that obama was a phony are you? Neve4r took you for a racist.
Word is Trump is making Walz the Major General in charge of the Minnysota National Guard to lead the invasion up into Manitoba. He carried weapons of war per Walz himself, so he is the Rambo for the job. Take Manitoba and split the country in half. The left-wing Maine NG and Washington state NG can clear up both ends of Canada for us, while they show us what tough things she-males in the military can better than the Navy SEALs. Macho Man by the Village People will be their battlecry.
hilarious that a lib would sanctify the words of the man who they vilified for torching a good part of a million Japanese citizens with just two bombas. Those crazy libs, they go this way or that way and almost meet themselves going back the other way so fast..
But it should be pointed out that these words are really not the negatives they are intended to seem to be, unless one seeks to see them that way. And of course, there are those among us.
Never let truth derail a good narrative.
Let’s see. Foreign countries assess tariffs ranging from 10%-90% on goods imported from the USA. When we propose tariffs on their goods that are 50% what their tariffs are, we’re being unreasonable and cold hearted?
Can one of you Dims explain that pretzel logic?
Can one of you Dims explain that pretzel logic?
As a card carrying member of the Squad here, care to address the question I posed right above your post?
Tariffs working well so far. If the goal is tanking the market
Dow plummets 1,400 points, Nasdaq down 5%, S&P 4% as Trump tariffs trigger recession fears - The Economic Times
U.S. stock indexes fell sharply on Thursday as President Trump's tariffs on major trade partners sparked fears of a trade war and economic recession. Key technology stocks like Apple and Microsoft experienced significant declines, highlighting investor concerns. Traders anticipate multiple...
m.economictimes.com
All you'll get are lame answers from them. They are used to taking it in the ass so it doesn't bother them. They're hopeless bottoms so when Trump says enough of this crap let's at least spoon a little they pitch a hissy fit. I don't mind some short term pain if it accomplishes the goal. We should have learned something during the pandemic when we found out we were dependent on other countries for meds and basic PPE.
Some people think the rich are hurt worse by the market tanking - because they hold most of the stocks. And, sure, their assets are taking a hit. But they are still rich. Meaning they are now well-positioned to profit from the coming bankruptcies and fire sales.Tariffs working well so far. If the goal is tanking the market
Dow plummets 1,400 points, Nasdaq down 5%, S&P 4% as Trump tariffs trigger recession fears - The Economic Times
U.S. stock indexes fell sharply on Thursday as President Trump's tariffs on major trade partners sparked fears of a trade war and economic recession. Key technology stocks like Apple and Microsoft experienced significant declines, highlighting investor concerns. Traders anticipate multiple...m.economictimes.com
They won't be losing their homes . . . they'll be buying yours for a pittance.
Carefully-targeted tariffs can be OK.
We raised tariffs on China by 54%. According to Trump, his tariffs are half what other countries impose on us.
China just announced tariffs of 34% on us. Which I guess means that China now tariffs all US goods at 142%.
Do you honestly believe that?
To address your question more directly, the US drove the world order that liberalized trade around the world. It was our plan. And we became the most prosperous, most powerful nation in the history of the world.
Some of the decisions Democrats and Republicans have made in recent decades - mainly starting with Reagan - have been unwise. Turning the US from a creditor nation into a debtor nation. But have other nations' tariffs caused that? Pretty sure the answer to that question is "no."
Would you care to address that?
So, your criteria for conducting long term economic policy and measuring whether something is a good idea is how the market reacts to it after one day? If that's your thinking about a long time, I feel sorry for your wife. Maybe you're just a day trader and speculated incorrectly yesterday.Tariffs working well so far. If the goal is tanking the market
Dow plummets 1,400 points, Nasdaq down 5%, S&P 4% as Trump tariffs trigger recession fears - The Economic Times
U.S. stock indexes fell sharply on Thursday as President Trump's tariffs on major trade partners sparked fears of a trade war and economic recession. Key technology stocks like Apple and Microsoft experienced significant declines, highlighting investor concerns. Traders anticipate multiple...m.economictimes.com
I will fully admit that this is not my wheelhouse and that I am truthfully concerned about tariffs and whether this will work the way it is intended. For the sake of all of us, I surely hope it does.
However, this is the thing that I never hear anyone explain. Why is it perfectly fine that other countries get to block our products or impose huge tariffs upon them and we don't respond in kind? More specific, and these are numbers out of my ass, why would it be ok for Germany to charge a tariff to Ford or GM of 25% to sell their vehicles in Germany, but it's not perfectly appropriate to have the US charge BMW the same 25% tariff to sell here? Why is it ok for any given country to pour their products into our country, tariffs or not, but not allow our companies the same access to their markets? If tariffs aren't part of that equation, how does our country address these inequities?
You can't seriously believe that all of that is ok and it should just be ignored like the last several decades? Unless, you are only worried about this week's Dow.
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Very interesting. 1996 and Pelosi is passionately supporting tariffs. Of course, Slick Willy was the pres then.
Complaining about the "rich" is just stupid. They are always positioned to profit versus the rest of us. First, there's a reason they are rich and second, their teams of advisors make sure that they are able to take advantage of whatever the economy presents.
As to the "market tanking", let's talk again when it's been more than a day. Maybe a week, a month, a quarter, a half a year, a year? If one is concerned about the market because of a single day's performance, they should be getting CD's or something else that's locked in and not ever utter the word "market". Otherwise, you're just hyperventilating.
The market tanked because of people selling off their positions. They sold off their positions because of what they are expecting the future to look like. This isn’t some knee jerk reaction from people who don’t know what they’re doing. Economists have been warning us about this for months now.
We are a net importer, we don’t have leverage to be trying to push tariffs on other countries. We buy more of their shit so this ends up hurting American consumers in the long run, by far. You think tariffs are the reason why Germans aren’t buying Fords? Lol who in their right mind would buy an American car over a German car when they build the best cars in the world? And Europeans already tax their own cars damn near out of the market. We already have access to their markets, they just aren’t buying what we’re selling. And in many cases, their consumer protection laws won’t let them because we don’t hold industry to the same standards they do. Oh and just as a side note, those German automakers are creating more jobs in the US than most domestic companies…
This notion that other countries are taking advantage of us is ridiculous. We’re addicted to cheap shit. If we weren’t buying it, they wouldn’t be exporting to us. Our own companies take advantage of us by not compensating workers for the increases in productivity and profitability we’ve seen over the last several decades. Our economy produces plenty of profit, but only a tiny share of it is captured by labor. Hence the constantly ballooning wealth inequality, which is totally unsustainable.
Surely you didn’t seriously believe that stupid poster board claiming all those ridiculous numbers from Trump’s press conference? I’m assuming you’re not happy about them fabricating some bullshit formula to lie to people?
I acknowledge the possibility of those numbers being inaccurate. With that said, why would I believe you over him?
And, of course, there are plenty of things that could adjust or makeup what they are calling tariffs. Numbers get fudged by the government all the time, sadly.
it's the same old story. Dimwits by the millions react just as the lib media goads them into reacting. The ruination of our country will lay at the feet of a media that seeks to influence rather than merely inform, and masses of tards resentful of nothing more than the fact that their side didn't win.
When we hear of countries clamping down on their media due to negativity being circulated, we think 'third world' in action. Any move here to make the media responsible for the way they report the 'news' will draw similar comparisons. Yet that is exactly what needs to happen...the commercial media needs to be made responsible for a product sold as news but intended to create perceptions, to the detriment of us all. That will never happen because the media has the wherewithal to prevent it through the fear felt by legislators to challenge it.
The commercial news media sells a product...the news. Just as with any other seller of a product, it should be required through our legal system to provide what they say they are providing. In overzealously protecting freedom of the press, we are promoting irresponsibility of the press.
what dimwits can't seem to comprehend is, tariffs could be working well AND disrupting the markets. Disruption of the markets is sort of the goal...disruption of the unfair markets taking advantage of our economy, an economy that the dems are only too happy to continue to allow the world-at-large to leech on.Tariffs working well so far. If the goal is tanking the market
Dow plummets 1,400 points, Nasdaq down 5%, S&P 4% as Trump tariffs trigger recession fears - The Economic Times
U.S. stock indexes fell sharply on Thursday as President Trump's tariffs on major trade partners sparked fears of a trade war and economic recession. Key technology stocks like Apple and Microsoft experienced significant declines, highlighting investor concerns. Traders anticipate multiple...m.economictimes.com
The question shouldn't be if disruption should occur, but what will be the long term result. But that might be positive, and the dimwitted among us can't think that through, and the leftists want only to highlight any immediate negativity rather than for thoughtful consideration to be applied.
I have no idea how this will play out, but I am grateful for a president who, for a change, has the balls to try to set things right.
And they waited an entire day. What are you complaining about?
Good thing day 2 is looking so much better.
Just curious, how far does the market have to fall before you're going to admit this was a stupid idea?
there's obviously no set amount, because for one thing the duration matters. But since you're asking, how high will it have to rebound before you admit you're just a libtard with full-blown TDS?
Well let's see, Trump has wiped out a year worth of gains in about 48 hours... So you've already got a lot of ground to cover just to get back to even.
Obviously anyone who doesn't want Trump jeopardizing their retirement accounts for his idiotic vanity project is just a "libtard with full-blown TDS."
