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"It would have been much smarter to have simply done something like Trump is trying to do now with the minerals deal."
You mean extorting an ally for our personal gain? Spoken like a true Trump sycophant.
this is so typical of libthink and @Heels Noir's twisted take in particular when he's trying too hard to win, outpacing his ability to actually think about what he's saying.

We have given Ukraine a gazillion dollars of aid, previously and more recently in support of their war effort....but trying to arrange some well-deserved, financially responsible, and thoughtfully strategic (for Ukraine's benefit) tit-for-tat is now considered morally objectionable extortion. WHAT???

And to simply realize how completely idiotic his take is, it doesn't mean you have a normal grasp of the obvious...it means you must be a Trump sycophant.

You have to believe that someone has to help Heels get dressed every morning. You have to wonder if someone isn't helping ALL the libtards function at least minimally. Oh wait, that's right...it's US. WE help them overcome their own lack of common sense.
 
Ceasefire announced between Ukraine and Russia, Damn Trump.
but it didn't happen his first day back in office like the goobs keep saying it should have just because he made an offhand comment. DOUBLE damn him I guess.

Never mind that Biden STILL hasn't arranged a stop to the fighting. If he/Harris had gotten elected, they'd still be throwing tankerloads of our gasoline on their fire.
 
He takes stuff like this "controversy", misinterprets it and claims it as fact.


"...and it's beautiful to see the American people picking up on that...' Well sure it is, but my question is why did it take so long for SOME Americans to finally see the blindingly bright light? Obviously, there are still many millions who hate Trump but couldn't specifically give a clear reason why. They were told they should and that's good enough for them. 'It's because he's Hitler, a racist xenophobe out to make his rich friends richer by robbing people of color.'.


eta...yeah, I know that isn't the point. I totally agree with your point; numbnuts has no interest in honest, straightforward discussion. He has no interest in honest anything.
 
It matters by whom and how polls are conducted. Results can be skewed before the "poll" is even taken. And that assumes that one should define policy and make decisions based upon the direction of the wind blowing. How the most important job in the world ever got reduced to focus groups and polling is a wonder. Because that's how they did it, the Noirs of the world find it difficult to understand that doing what's right isn't always "popular" in the polls, particularly when the end result takes more than 30 seconds to produce results.
this is why statistics, including polls, are for idiots. Even from the start, the sampling can be misrepresentative. It all has to be carefully scrutinized and analyzed in order to approach being meaningful, but raw statistical data gets tossed around like it tells the story. And of course it often gets purposely manipulated to sell a story that the teller wants to sell.

As for the expectations of an @Heels Noir, all I need to know about him is the disparity in his expectations regarding Trump and regarding someone like Biden. Heels wants to make a huge deal of a judge ruling against Trump in his endeavor to cleanse us of Biden's treason while failing to comment at all about the horrendous failings of his own chosen idols.
 
this is why statistics, including polls, are for idiots. Even from the start, the sampling can be misrepresentative. It all has to be carefully scrutinized and analyzed in order to approach being meaningful, but raw statistical data gets tossed around like it tells the story. And of course it often gets purposely manipulated to sell a story that the teller wants to sell.

As for the expectations of an @Heels Noir, all I need to know about him is the disparity in his expectations regarding Trump and regarding someone like Biden. Heels wants to make a huge deal of a judge ruling against Trump in his endeavor to cleanse us of Biden's treason while failing to comment at all about the horrendous failings of his own chosen idols.
Well, he takes so much out of context and misinterprets everything related to Trump that I simply don't have the time to even attempt to point out to him all his errors. He wanted to argue endlessly with me that Pete Hegseth had made the mistake of adding Goldberg to the Signal chat fiasco when his own explanation for how it happened clearly set out that it was someone else. Then, he does things like list the many cases that have been filed against the administration and claims them as "loses" for Orange. What he doesn't say, or even realize, is that they were filed where they were, intentionally, to get that initial result and once they are appealed, the supremes will decide the actual end result. But all these activist judges are doing things like issuing nationwide injunctions when they shouldn't and have no authority to do so. He won't care when something is overturned on appeal (much like all the convict felon bs that will eventually be set aside).

Noir wants to complain about the activist judge who got arrested for blocking ICE and hindering them in their arrest. He cites the notion that judges have complete control over their courtrooms. While that is largely true, such power extends to things like procedure, timing, etc. It doesn't empower them to break the law. Further, that power ends at the door of their courtroom. LEO's routinely serve summons, arrest warrants and so forth in the hallways of courthouses or at the courthouse door (just not in the actual courtroom). They simply wait for the defendant to exit the actual room and do their jobs. But Noir would have no clue about such things when his vast experience about such things amounts to making tv shows or movies (or watching Law & Order reruns).

But, he's wiz at posting pics and other crap. I'll give him that.
 
Well, he takes so much out of context and misinterprets everything related to Trump that I simply don't have the time to even attempt to point out to him all his errors. He wanted to argue endlessly with me that Pete Hegseth had made the mistake of adding Goldberg to the Signal chat fiasco when his own explanation for how it happened clearly set out that it was someone else. Then, he does things like list the many cases that have been filed against the administration and claims them as "loses" for Orange. What he doesn't say, or even realize, is that they were filed where they were, intentionally, to get that initial result and once they are appealed, the supremes will decide the actual end result. But all these activist judges are doing things like issuing nationwide injunctions when they shouldn't and have no authority to do so. He won't care when something is overturned on appeal (much like all the convict felon bs that will eventually be set aside).

Noir wants to complain about the activist judge who got arrested for blocking ICE and hindering them in their arrest. He cites the notion that judges have complete control over their courtrooms. While that is largely true, such power extends to things like procedure, timing, etc. It doesn't empower them to break the law. Further, that power ends at the door of their courtroom. LEO's routinely serve summons, arrest warrants and so forth in the hallways of courthouses or at the courthouse door (just not in the actual courtroom). They simply wait for the defendant to exit the actual room and do their jobs. But Noir would have no clue about such things when his vast experience about such things amounts to making tv shows or movies (or watching Law & Order reruns).

But, he's wiz at posting pics and other crap. I'll give him that.
ICE showed up at the court house with a Federal warrant for the POS and that fatass judge told the criminal and his lawyer to use a side door to escape. That is obstruction of justice and harboring a fugitive. The POS judge got so used to lawlessness during the Sessions/Barr fiascos and the biden crime years that she thought it was business as usual letting criminals do as they please. She has no case of defense, a Federal agency showed up to pick up a criminal and she helped him escape the court house until he was caught in the parking lot. She should be disbarred and put in Federal prison for 5 years.
 
The DEA raid in my city this past weekend caught like 100-200 illegals and other criminals at an illegal bar with prostitution and drugs. There were military members working as door guards and some as patrons, so this shocked people.

Gangs have been sneaking in their members going back to 9/11 when the Army cut admissions standards for bodies. They join the military to get arms training, VA benefits and sometimes steal weapons from the military. There was an Army unit that went around Iraq identifying and cleaning up spray paint on walls by the bloods and crips. This was covered up by the big media since that would be "racist" to point out black street gangs were in the US military.

I'm interested in the race of those military members working with the TdA and MS-13 at this illegal bar. Possibly hispanic gangs infiltrated the US military. I remember when obama's evil DHS created an intel report claiming white males returning from OIF and OEF were a national security threat as domestic terrorists. The whole time it was black and hispanic gangs in the US military....
 
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This is a classic example of how out of touch FOX News is with the man they love, promote, and tirelessly follow.



Pay attention @bluetoe and you might learn something about your own thoughtless habits.

Your sphincter pain still hasnt subsided 5 months later. You and your boyfriend still sulking (or sucking)?
 
Well, he takes so much out of context and misinterprets everything related to Trump that I simply don't have the time to even attempt to point out to him all his errors. He wanted to argue endlessly with me that Pete Hegseth had made the mistake of adding Goldberg to the Signal chat fiasco when his own explanation for how it happened clearly set out that it was someone else. Then, he does things like list the many cases that have been filed against the administration and claims them as "loses" for Orange. What he doesn't say, or even realize, is that they were filed where they were, intentionally, to get that initial result and once they are appealed, the supremes will decide the actual end result. But all these activist judges are doing things like issuing nationwide injunctions when they shouldn't and have no authority to do so. He won't care when something is overturned on appeal (much like all the convict felon bs that will eventually be set aside).

Noir wants to complain about the activist judge who got arrested for blocking ICE and hindering them in their arrest. He cites the notion that judges have complete control over their courtrooms. While that is largely true, such power extends to things like procedure, timing, etc. It doesn't empower them to break the law. Further, that power ends at the door of their courtroom. LEO's routinely serve summons, arrest warrants and so forth in the hallways of courthouses or at the courthouse door (just not in the actual courtroom). They simply wait for the defendant to exit the actual room and do their jobs. But Noir would have no clue about such things when his vast experience about such things amounts to making tv shows or movies (or watching Law & Order reruns).

But, he's wiz at posting pics and other crap. I'll give him that.
@Heels Noir is an open book. I don't know what his chronological age is, but behaviorally he's a juvenile. All he cares about is thumbing his nose at the opposition.

And he's a liar. I've caught him lying way too many times to soften that description of him. And when he takes something out of context, don't be fooled into thinking it was an oversight on his part. It would almost certainly be purposeful. I've caught him too many times using that tactic as well. He has no shame in those regards, just as he has no shame in hitting below the belt when someone is besting him in some back-and-forth.

My signature is in response to him developing a signature he started displaying based on his taking something I said out of context which completely changed my intended meaning. He then whined about my signature, at that time and again just recently You saw me point out to him that I quoted directly from a post of his, after he insisted that I had merely changed the names and MISquoted him. I even gave the post number of his post and quoted the post itself. Two days later, he was telling the same lie again.

He bolsters the hypothesis that whatever a lib is accusing others of is almost certainly what they themselves are guilty of.

He is, in a nutshell, the most unscrupulous poster I've ever seen. I have zero respect for him, and I couldn't care less if he has any for me. As a matter of fact, I hope he doesn't because what does it say about someone to be well-thought of by a turd?

You probably don't remember but I've told you before that I used to chuckle at your patience and tolerance in dealing with him and @blazers, etc., taking the time to politely elucidate your opinions and positions with them. I would say to myself, you'll learn. And I would have to say you have. But you're still much nicer than I am, and that's a good thing. Much respect.

Regarding the judge, I don't take the time much anymore to go point by point with him because of the tactics he employs in argument. But what I started to ask him was what if the judge pulled out a .357 and started shooting up the spectators. Would that be permissible since she holds sway in the courtroom? But I didn't because he would have just slithered his way into some strawman or red herring to keep from admitting the obvious. You of course are exactly right, it is her courtroom...but only as regards legal conduct and order, and procedures. Otherwise, as I pointed out to him and which he played dumb over, she is no more above the law than anyone else., in the courtroom or anywhere else.

So now we wait until his wounds have healed and he crawls back in with another boatload of his anti-orange, leftist propaganda.


OK my friend, let me see you top this word count. Har har.
 
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you never hit a woman. But like Bill Burr says, that doesn't mean that there's no reason to. The MSD&C twat needs to have the hypocrite slapped out of her, talking about responsible reporting, as if that shitpile of a leftwing propaganda network invented the concept of 'fair and balanced'.. It's impossible to not despise these two-faced fools, unless you're of the ilk of an @Heels Noir.
 
The left wing kooks will protest anything, today they protested the DEA, ICE and local LE arrested over 100 illegals in an illegal bar/brothel last week.

WTF do these scum stand for??? Do they not have any decency to not support illegals and these illegals are drug dealers/gangbangers.
Dims don't care about anything other than hating Trump and anything he does. That's what a cult does. It trains them to think in abnormal ways. They really dont support illegals, they dont really hate Elon, they really dont agree with pride month, they dont really believe children should be able to have their bodies mutilated, they just hate Trump. An absolute mental disorder.
 
It's gotten worse. I know it seems impossible to believe, but according to a new analysis from MRC, the coverage of Trump during his first 100 days this time around was even more biased than the first term. In 2016, Orange's coverage by the big three was 89% negative. This time, that's increased to 92% negative coverage. Think about that for a moment: 92 versus 8. They've changed your mother's old saying into, "If you don't have something bad to say, don't say anything."

So when our resident talking point, idiot boy tries to cite his polls about Orange the Hun, what does he think helps shape those snapshot opinions? (and none of that addresses methodology of things like who they are asking, how they are asking, specific wording, etc.).

92 v. 8. And before someone tries to pull out some journalistic standard of it's their job/responsibility to always be negative about our leaders to keep them on the straight and narrow: that same coverage of a certain former sleepy president during the same period of time??? 59% positive.

The hatred and unified effort is just crazy. For example, anyone take a look at the DJIA or Nasdaq lately? We'll see how they close out the month today, but they are back to the same levels or above how they closed out March. But, would anyone know that unless they paid attention to alternate "news" sources versus depending on the big three to be anything close to fair, honest, and neutral?

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...assaults-2nd-trump-admin-92-negative-coverage
 
Was listening to Tyrus yesterday and he made a great point. When Biden opened the doors to our country, illegals were given a court date to hear their cases 10-20 years from that date. Let's deport them all and give them a court date for 20-30 years later and hear them out then.
 
Was listening to Tyrus yesterday and he made a great point. When Biden opened the doors to our country, illegals were given a court date to hear their cases 10-20 years from that date. Let's deport them all and give them a court date for 20-30 years later and hear them out then.
I saw that as well and thought it was brilliant. Admittedly, I have not read up on all of the specifics of things, and I surely don't trust the media or politicians to give me the actual correct answers, but this entire "due process" schtick that's being pushed is just a catch all for each and every non-citizen, regardless of the level of crime they have committed at home or here, gets to stay and get an individualized hearing - all well knowing that due to the actual numbers it means 15 years before they can physically accomplish all of this for the colossal numbers that Joe welcomed into our country. Tyrus' point is fantastic. Fine, give them their "due process" (which I believe is mostly administrative, not a full blown judicial trial), but until that happens and they get their "court date", why do they get to wait here and live among us for all that time? Much like the policy of "Remain in Mexico", why can't it be "Return to Home" and only then come back for your hearing, whenever that may be?
 
It's gotten worse. I know it seems impossible to believe, but according to a new analysis from MRC, the coverage of Trump during his first 100 days this time around was even more biased than the first term. In 2016, Orange's coverage by the big three was 89% negative. This time, that's increased to 92% negative coverage. Think about that for a moment: 92 versus 8. They've changed your mother's old saying into, "If you don't have something bad to say, don't say anything."

So when our resident talking point, idiot boy tries to cite his polls about Orange the Hun, what does he think helps shape those snapshot opinions? (and none of that addresses methodology of things like who they are asking, how they are asking, specific wording, etc.).

92 v. 8. And before someone tries to pull out some journalistic standard of it's their job/responsibility to always be negative about our leaders to keep them on the straight and narrow: that same coverage of a certain former sleepy president during the same period of time??? 59% positive.

The hatred and unified effort is just crazy. For example, anyone take a look at the DJIA or Nasdaq lately? We'll see how they close out the month today, but they are back to the same levels or above how they closed out March. But, would anyone know that unless they paid attention to alternate "news" sources versus depending on the big three to be anything close to fair, honest, and neutral?

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...assaults-2nd-trump-admin-92-negative-coverage
I don't follow any particular news source and I don't very much catch any particular source even haphazardly...but I knew that there was an increase in negativity, and a sizable increase at that.. Before Trump actually took office, I wondered aloud here whether levels of negativity would match that of his first 'presence'. I say 'presence' because of course the campaign to discredit him has covered more than just his first term as president.

They have doubled down on it.

This hurts the country, and it's because the 'fair and balanced' component of news reporting is sneered at, not just by the social media but by the commercial media as well. Something needs to change. The commercial news media is selling a product, and that product should be required to produce what they promise it to be, which is 'fair and balanced' news, as well as accurate news. They should have to live by the same standard a witness at a trial takes an oath to uphold and present....the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

I want them to report negativity. But they should also report the rest of the story, and without giving it that biased twist that tends to deliver a message more impactfully than the bare facts do.

It's beyond time to discontinue allowing commercial media to hide behind 'freedom of the press' to try to...successfully...influence the outlook and character of our society. We are hardly even America anymore, and that is a, or maybe even is THE, major reason for that.

I'm sick of our society being manipulated and shaped by a relative handful of jackasses. We have enough elected jackasses doing that already.
 
I love that guy, he's what a bureaucrat should be....determined to do a great job according to the Constitution and to the benefit of the country as a whole and not just as a political lackey.

I have maintained all along that what Biden/Harris were doing amounted to treason. They should pay for their purposeful disregard of the legal requirements and intent of immigration law.
 
It's even worse. . . . his wife claims on her podcast that such policies (now that they are used by Trump) keep her up at night.
LOL! I heard her say that. What a stupid trick. Hooker is worth MILLIONS and says she stays awake at night worrying. GTFOOH! She is a disgusting whore, still pandering to the buffoons following her lead.

And what the fucc happened to her? She used to look 1/2 way decent, now she looks like a worm with the shit shaken out of her.
 
I think he's got a point but it isn't a completely solid one. I don't think extremism goes full circle. I think right wing extremism is greatly exaggerated and even in part made up by the left, in their quest to create the demon that they can rally against. It isn't like that's an unusual circumstance. In virtually any major conflict, the other side must be portrayed as so evil that they must be counteracted. That enables the 'soldier' in the trenches to become effectively engaged in the struggle.

On the other hand, the wack faction on the left is a real thing and although it might be the creation of a relatively few people, those people are on the left and are not an exaggeration...AND the left in general not only fails to separate from those wack notions, they support them by failing to do just that.

If this is in doubt, just consider what should be obvious....we are in the grip of an ongoing slide toward the extreme left that we wouldn't be in if the left wasn't allowing it. We are NOT in the grip of any such move to the right, just the occasional digging in of the heels against moving so wrongly left.
 
I started to comment on this the other day, yet another note on the hypocrisy of the left. On one hand try to make a mountain out of the molehill of 'deporting' a child. On the other hand, fail to mention that other mountain/molehill, the crying of pinko tears over the separating of children from their parents when they are apprehended immigrating illegally. Well, which way will you have it? Oh that's right right, BOTH ways...and neither way...depending on what misrepresentaion you're pushing at the time.
 
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