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What Would Jesus Do?

What Would Jesus Do?

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Here's what it looks like to me at this point:

Woods
Felton
Williams
Robinson
Maye
Bradley

Plus the invited walk-on whose name I am blanking on. Am I forgetting anyone else?

Yes, Berry and Pinson might be back as seniors, but I'd put the odds at much less than 50-50 that both return, and still under 50-50 that one of them returns. Especially if Justin leaves this year - because that means Theo starts at SF and gets to showcase his skills.

No seniors on that roster.

Glancing at 247, they show offers to 6 guys (including Felton). One SF and 4 PFs - with us being "warm" for the SF (Kevin Knox) and for 1 of the PFs (Jeremiah Tilmon).

We obviously need at least 1 SF and several bigs, so it's good to see Roy already has offers out for those positions. But we need a lot more than that.

We don't yet know whether 7th or Jalek will be able to thrive at point at this level. So we should be aiming for a true PG in addition to an SF and several bigs.

With up to 7 roster slots to fill, Roy definitely has his work cut out. Ideally we land 4 more great players early (in addition to Jalek) and then wait to see what happens with Joel and Theo.

The good news is that recruits will be seeing plenty of playing time at most positions. And the @%#@# NCAA nonsense is bound to be well behind us by the time most of these kids will be committing.

That said, I see that 10 of the top-50 players in the 2017 class are already off the board.
 
What Would Jesus Do? said:
Here's what it looks like to me at this point:

Woods
Felton
Williams
Robinson
Maye
Bradley

Plus the invited walk-on whose name I am blanking on. Am I forgetting anyone else?

Yes, Berry and Pinson might be back as seniors, but I'd put the odds at much less than 50-50 that both return, and still under 50-50 that one of them returns. Especially if Justin leaves this year - because that means Theo starts at SF and gets to showcase his skills.

No seniors on that roster.

Glancing at 247, they show offers to 6 guys (including Felton). One SF and 4 PFs - with us being "warm" for the SF (Kevin Knox) and for 1 of the PFs (Jeremiah Tilmon).

We obviously need at least 1 SF and several bigs, so it's good to see Roy already has offers out for those positions. But we need a lot more than that.

We don't yet know whether 7th or Jalek will be able to thrive at point at this level. So we should be aiming for a true PG in addition to an SF and several bigs.

With up to 7 roster slots to fill, Roy definitely has his work cut out. Ideally we land 4 more great players early (in addition to Jalek) and then wait to see what happens with Joel and Theo.

The good news is that recruits will be seeing plenty of playing time at most positions. And the @%#@# NCAA nonsense is bound to be well behind us by the time most of these kids will be committing.

That said, I see that 10 of the top-50 players in the 2017 class are already off the board.
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I think we will have a surprising 2017 class and I think other than jalek it will be front court guys. We will absolutely not have Meeks nor Hicks, listen to me when I say THAT is what big time big men are looking for, wide open available playing time. I think we are in great shape for Carter, Bamba, or Kevin Knox. The ONLY thing that could muddy that up is if those guys bring in street agents looking for back room deals and I worry Bamba may end up down that road, hope not. Roy has gone on record saying if he does not get Bamba that it will not be because he was out worked for the kid, ya may want to really listen to him about that. By the way, IMO that kid is by far the #1 player in that class, by FARRRRRRRRRR!

You can listen to those folks already saying Knox and Carter are dukes for the having but that is way over stated right now, could end up that way but I am not thinking it will. We have a featured spotlight position that will be wide open available and it looks like the NCAA stuff will be cleared up by then so remember who told ya that we have a REAL GOOD shot with any of those 3 and potentially 2 of the 3.

I do suspect that Joel plays as a senior for us, the NBA puts such a premuim on size. They just do not love smallish PGs and that does kinda define Joel, no matter how tuff he may be. Look at Yogi as an example of this.

Unless Theo makes the most remarkable transition as a pure jump shooter that I have ever seen, I just don't see him leaving before his senior season. Yeah, I know, JP did but there were other factors involved that resulted in JPs leaving, factors that have been whispered about but but not widely discussed but the word chemistry explains it without going deeper in to things. And I think we all saw the difference this past season, our chemistry was really good, much improved over the prior season.
 
I agree with DSouth, 2017 will be the class for the front court. I think Roy really wants 2 of:
Carter
Tillmon
Bama
PJ Washington

and he really want's Kevin Knox for SF. He was the first call Roy made to the day after the national championship game.
 
Carter is a heavy Duke lean also. Would not get your hopes up for him. Our Premium insider is correct 99% of the time and he says Duke basically has Carter locked up.
 
Steat said:
Carter is a heavy Duke lean also. Would not get your hopes up for him. Our Premium insider is correct 99% of the time and he says Duke basically has Carter locked up.
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Bummer
 
Steat said:
Carter is a heavy Duke lean also. Would not get your hopes up for him. Our Premium insider is correct 99% of the time and he says Duke basically has Carter locked up.
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Locked up more than Barnes ?..my thing is..if he's so much a lock..why haven't he committed?..been hearing this for the last year or so..he knows the scholarship will be there via early departure or transfer!!
 
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Carter is a heavy Duke lean also. Would not get your hopes up for him. Our Premium insider is correct 99% of the time and he says Duke basically has Carter locked up.
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Bamba is also currently a heavy dook lean. Carter is probably a silent commit for dook if truth be known. Most analysts don't see us in the mix for either. All predictions for Knox are dook(62%) or FSU but we are at least listed as warm. Tilmon is our best bet.
 
Bur-Heel said:
Locked up more than Barnes ?..my thing is..if he's so much a lock..why haven't he committed?..been hearing this for the last year or so..he knows the scholarship will be there via early departure or transfer!!
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Barnes visited , Carter hasn't even visited.
 
Steat said:
Carter is a heavy Duke lean also. Would not get your hopes up for him. Our Premium insider is correct 99% of the time and he says Duke basically has Carter locked up.
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That the same insider that had Kenny Williams as a UVa lock? LOL
 
Bur-Heel said:
Tillmon or Tillman..not sure how he spells it..but he's number one on my list!!
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Agree... We would have a great shot at Tilmon if we focused primarily on him. I'd like to see Roy prioritize him because I think he likes UNC but he's feeling more love from Illinois right now.
 
heels05champs said:
Agree... We would have a great shot at Tilmon if we focused primarily on him. I'd like to see Roy prioritize him because I think he likes UNC but he's feeling more love from Illinois right now.
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Pretty sure Roy went to see him just last week
 
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Something tells me once this NCAA mess clears up in the next month or two that these leans will start moving our way.
 
Sk1310 said:
Pretty sure Roy went to see him just last week
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You're right..heard we were the leaders awhile back...even before the run we just had ..man,we're supposed to be reaping the benefits of a deep deep championship run..but that damn NCAA is still kicking our ass!!
 
Sk1310 said:
Didn't Barnes visit his senior year? Carter's senior year hasn't even started. Duke aint getting Carter and Bamba
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I tend to agree...but can't put nothing pass them getting what they want as long as the NCAA is in our way..thank god we got 3-4 year players on our squad that is helping UNC stay relevant and competitive at the same time!!..looking past talent,this class may be our best ever just for those facts alone!!
 
I really wish our fan base would stop referencing Barnes EVERY SINGLE TIME a recruit is suggested that he is leaning towards Duke. Pretty sure that this has been said for both Okafor and Giles at this point on this board. Every Recruit is not going to pull a Barnes just because Barnes, himself, did. And the chances of either of the current guys doing so is even less likely.

With That Said:

If we get a clean ruling from the NCAA, Roy may have a much easier time recruiting vs the past 2 years.

Don't know our chances with Bamba, but I think Carter is headed to Dook. Knox seems to be leaning too. Still holding out for Matt Coleman to get an offer. He has visited UNC more than any recruit in the 2017 class. Can't imagine us not getting on a 5* PG with interest at some point...

I think our best chances are with Tilmon and Washington. Would love to see Harvey or Bowen get an offer.

Felton, Tilmon, Washington, and Harvey/Bowen/Coleman would be the most realistic haul IMO.
 
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I think that recruits (OAD) and negative recruiting plus we were loaded with solid team chemistry and minutes were limited last year..Roy wasn't messing with that unless it was a talent that absolutely would help and not mess with our guys comfort zone too..and it worked..
 
What Would Jesus Do? said:
Here's what it looks like to me at this point:

Woods
Felton
Williams
Robinson
Maye
Bradley

Plus the invited walk-on whose name I am blanking on. Am I forgetting anyone else?

Yes, Berry and Pinson might be back as seniors, but I'd put the odds at much less than 50-50 that both return, and still under 50-50 that one of them returns. Especially if Justin leaves this year - because that means Theo starts at SF and gets to showcase his skills.

No seniors on that roster.

Glancing at 247, they show offers to 6 guys (including Felton). One SF and 4 PFs - with us being "warm" for the SF (Kevin Knox) and for 1 of the PFs (Jeremiah Tilmon).

We obviously need at least 1 SF and several bigs, so it's good to see Roy already has offers out for those positions. But we need a lot more than that.

We don't yet know whether 7th or Jalek will be able to thrive at point at this level. So we should be aiming for a true PG in addition to an SF and several bigs.

With up to 7 roster slots to fill, Roy definitely has his work cut out. Ideally we land 4 more great players early (in addition to Jalek) and then wait to see what happens with Joel and Theo.

The good news is that recruits will be seeing plenty of playing time at most positions. And the @%#@# NCAA nonsense is bound to be well behind us by the time most of these kids will be committing.

That said, I see that 10 of the top-50 players in the 2017 class are already off the board.
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So... Focus...?



Just wondering if you are going to simply forget the upcoming season...? There are some good answers on this thread. However, the Dook angle here is getting a bit old to me. Whatever, I think that UNC will get BACK to the Final Four in 2016-2017...
 
mikeirbyusa said:
In spite of the fact Knox LOOKS like Meeks Brother he is a HEAVY DUKE lean.
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I haven't heard that. And when word gets out that next year will be K's last year, we'll see how duke's recruiting goes. That's right, I said next season will be K's last. I won't guarantee it. But I'd make a small wager on it.
 
ChapelHeeled said:
So... Focus...?



Just wondering if you are going to simply forget the upcoming season...? There are some good answers on this thread. However, the Dook angle here is getting a bit old to me. Whatever, I think that UNC will get BACK to the Final Four in 2016-2017...
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I got criticized last fall when I said I thought we were a lock for the Elite Eight and could go further.

I'm not ready to use the "lock" term just yet - we lose some important talent, after all - but if everybody comes back and we see normal improvement, we certainly should be in the Sweet Sixteen. And if someone blossoms like Brice did, the EE or FF are within reach.

By "focus" do you mean for the team as a whole? I think that may depend on whether we have Justin or not. If he returns, he should be a star. Berry is rock solid. We'll have to see how much our front line guys improve. Either or both could be stars. Both need to show a lot more foul-free aggression - with the emphasis on foul-free for Isaiah and on aggression for Kennedy. But Justin should be our go-to star.

The only problem with that is that Roy isn't big on building his offense around a SF. I can't rememberr him ever doing it at UNC - even when we had Barnes.

Sure, Barnes had the green light, as Justin will, too. But Roy rarely ran plays for Barnes. Not only did the team rarely set screens to help him drive but Kendall rarely made Barnes the beneficiary of his nifty passing. Not that there was any attempt to de-emphasize Barnes, but he was basically considered good enough not to need any special help. Which was mostly true. The "help" he got was mainly that the defenders had to worry about other UNC players.
 
gunslingerdick said:
I haven't heard that. And when word gets out that next year will be K's last year, we'll see how duke's recruiting goes. That's right, I said next season will be K's last. I won't guarantee it. But I'd make a small wager on it.
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Entirely possible, but I think he wants to break 1100 wins. He can probably do that in 2 years.

Why? Because no D1 coach is likely to ever be able to catch that record. Even now there's only a slim chance that anyone will catch him. But it's theoretically possible for one of the younger top coaches to do it if they stay in the business long enough and have close to 30-win seasons year in and year out. So I think K will want to build a cushion. I'm just guessing that 1100 will be enough of a cushion.

He may want to beat the other active coach who has more wins, too. I'm blanking on the name and he isn't a D1 coach, but you can see K not wanting an asterisk next to his record.

OTOH, if he wins another championship next year - and with that much talent it's certainly a possibility - he might decide to go out on that high note.

I looked it up. The current winningest coach in college basketball is Harry Statham with 1101 wins. He's 78 and still active. So that number should grow. If K really wants to be the winningest coach ever, that's the guy he needs to beat. If you click the link, you'll see that there is another lesser known coach with more than 1000 wins who is still active.

It's also worth noting that K is 30 games shy of winning 1000 at Duke. He should hit that next year. But if he falls short, that would be one more reason to return for an additional season.
 
What Would Jesus Do? said:
Entirely possible, but I think he wants to break 1100 wins. He can probably do that in 2 years.

Why? Because no D1 coach is likely to ever be able to catch that record. Even now there's only a slim chance that anyone will catch him. But it's theoretically possible for one of the younger top coaches to do it if they stay in the business long enough and have close to 30-win seasons year in and year out. So I think K will want to build a cushion. I'm just guessing that 1100 will be enough of a cushion.

He may want to beat the other active coach who has more wins, too. I'm blanking on the name and he isn't a D1 coach, but you can see K not wanting an asterisk next to his record.

OTOH, if he wins another championship next year - and with that much talent it's certainly a possibility - he might decide to go out on that high note.

I looked it up. The current winningest coach in college basketball is Harry Statham with 1101 wins. He's 78 and still active. So that number should grow. If K really wants to be the winningest coach ever, that's the guy he needs to beat. If you click the link, you'll see that there is another lesser known coach with more than 1000 wins who is still active.

It's also worth noting that K is 30 games shy of winning 1000 at Duke. He should hit that next year. But if he falls short, that would be one more reason to return for an additional season.
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1100 wins seems like an arbitrary number. It's not like he's shooting for 1000 wins or 1500 wins. I don't know, 1100 just seems kind of ho-hum in the number itself. Don't get me wrong, it's impressive. But I don't see 1100 as some magic number to strive for. The point of him wanting to get 1000 at duke does seem like something to strive for. But as you say, he should get that next year.

A buddy of mine that lives in Durham is a huge duke guy. He told me that he heard from a friend of his that is very "in the know" on all things duke basketball that next year will be the last for K. He admitted that this guy isn't always right (he missed on the Jefferson injury time table) but more times than not, the info has been solid. And my friend is pretty confident in this one. We'll see.
 
gunslingerdick said:
I haven't heard that. And when word gets out that next year will be K's last year, we'll see how duke's recruiting goes. That's right, I said next season will be K's last. I won't guarantee it. But I'd make a small wager on it.
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are you planning on killing him? I think death is the only thing that will end his career in the near future.
 
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1100 wins seems like an arbitrary number. It's not like he's shooting for 1000 wins or 1500 wins. I don't know, 1100 just seems kind of ho-hum in the number itself. Don't get me wrong, it's impressive. But I don't see 1100 as some magic number to strive for. The point of him wanting to get 1000 at duke does seem like something to strive for. But as you say, he should get that next year.

A buddy of mine that lives in Durham is a huge duke guy. He told me that he heard from a friend of his that is very "in the know" on all things duke basketball that next year will be the last for K. He admitted that this guy isn't always right (he missed on the Jefferson injury time table) but more times than not, the info has been solid. And my friend is pretty confident in this one. We'll see.
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Yeah, there's no "magic" in 1100. But the desire to leave a tally that other D1 coaches can't catch up to could be a real motivation. If he feels like continuing to coach, he might bump that to 1200. Not much better on the magic side, but even more out of reach.

After all, he saw Dean break the record and then step down, only to be passed while he was still young enough that he might have felt "I stepped down too soon." Even though Dean probably did not worry about that, I can see K not wanting to let that happen. He can't catch Wooden on championships. But I bet he wants to break every other record in sight - and break them by a big margin.
 
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I just don't see him stepping down his ego is to big,he wants that all time wins record and a few more titles to go with it.The only thing gonna derail K is his health and now that Roy has let it out how
long he wants to coach only gives LOM more motivation also.
 
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What Would Jesus Do? said:
Entirely possible, but I think he wants to break 1100 wins. He can probably do that in 2 years.

Why? Because no D1 coach is likely to ever be able to catch that record. Even now there's only a slim chance that anyone will catch him. But it's theoretically possible for one of the younger top coaches to do it if they stay in the business long enough and have close to 30-win seasons year in and year out. So I think K will want to build a cushion. I'm just guessing that 1100 will be enough of a cushion.

He may want to beat the other active coach who has more wins, too. I'm blanking on the name and he isn't a D1 coach, but you can see K not wanting an asterisk next to his record.

OTOH, if he wins another championship next year - and with that much talent it's certainly a possibility - he might decide to go out on that high note.

I looked it up. The current winningest coach in college basketball is Harry Statham with 1101 wins. He's 78 and still active. So that number should grow. If K really wants to be the winningest coach ever, that's the guy he needs to beat. If you click the link, you'll see that there is another lesser known coach with more than 1000 wins who is still active.

It's also worth noting that K is 30 games shy of winning 1000 at Duke. He should hit that next year. But if he falls short, that would be one more reason to return for an additional season.
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Such Dripping Thoughts...:eek:
 
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