Panthers, Cam, tiegate!!!!!!

[notashelbyfan]

He was punished because he didn't wear a tie, Cam said teammates offered him to borrow a tie and he said you can't wear a tie with this!

I have a sneaky feeling that this is ALOT more than one time not wearing a tie. Cam is a baby, things was not going his way in the superbowl and he stood there and watched a ball he fumbled lay on the ground. Then he goes to the presser and pouts about losing and walks out! Then he don't get his way over the late hits when he goes the league about it, don't get me wrong he was right about not getting the calls but shut up and play!

Now this!!!!

I now see why they released Steve Smith because by now he would have whipped Cams ass in the lockerroom over this crap because no one works harder than Steve and he wasn't going to put up with his shit!

Cam could be so great but it's just not in his DNA to be a team player it's all about him and the "there is no I in team" does not apply to him!

 

[gunslingerdick]

Here comes @coolwaterunc and @Blue2010 to verbally beat you up for talking smack about their guy.

BTW, I agree with most of what you poasted. I've said before he's just not a guy that other guys want to play hard for and with. I acknowledge that Cam is probably a nice guy and I like the way he treats his fans (especially kids). But he has to change his attitude if he wants to truly be great.

 

[notashelbyfan]

I was the same way with him I defended him to a fault but I'm sick of him, and I'm pretty sure his teammates are also sick of him too!

 

[UNC71-00]

Here comes @coolwaterunc and @Blue2010 to verbally beat you up for talking smack about their guy.

BTW, I agree with most of what you poasted. I've said before he's just not a guy that other guys want to play hard for and with. I acknowledge that Cam is probably a nice guy and I like the way he treats his fans (especially kids). But he has to change his attitude if he wants to truly be great.

Can we agree that Cam is better than RG3 but not as good as Andrew Luck?

 

[TarHeelNation11]

This ain't about wearing a tie or not lol.

 

[notashelbyfan]

This ain't about wearing a tie or not lol.

Cams a spoiled brat and I really think that when he said he was offered a tie to wear and he said "you cant wear a tie with this" he lost any credibility he had left with the team after the fumble watching crap in the super bowl!

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

With the amount of time he spends preparing what he wears to the game - you'd think he would have been able to include a tie. Or take a teammates - so I agree, this has to be deeper than the tie front they're putting up.

Cam's unbelievably talented. He has shown he has the "winner" trait, but unfortunately for him it doesn't always come out. He's more concerned with what he wears post game, and the celebrations he does when he gets first downs, than he is with winning ball games.

He's definitely better than RG3. He's about equally talented as Luck (slightly better runner, slightly worse thrower) - but Luck is the guy I'd go with in a heartbeat cuz he has a better head on his shoulders.

 

[Blue2010]

The more plausible story is that Cam was punished for going to strip clubs during the weeklong trip in California. The "tie" is just a cover-up, although I would have thought they could find a better cover-up than that.

As for Cam not being as good as Andrew Luck.... Dude, Fuuuuuuuck that noise. GTH. (kidding, kinda).

Cam will be fine. People will always be naysayers for this guy b/c he's polarizing and different than what most feel a QB should be. It just is what it is at this point.

The Panthers problems this year are not because of Cam Newton, that's for damn sure.

 

[UNC71-00]

The more plausible story is that Cam was punished for going to strip clubs during the weeklong trip in California. The "tie" is just a cover-up, although I would have thought they could find a better cover-up than that.

As for Cam not being as good as Andrew Luck.... Dude, Fuuuuuuuck that noise. GTH. (kidding, kinda).

Cam will be fine. People will always be naysayers for this guy b/c he's polarizing and different than what most feel a QB should be. It just is what it is at this point.

The Panthers problems this year are not because of Cam Newton, that's for damn sure.

My Fantasy team's problems are because of Cam, that's for damn sure.

And if he were going to strip clubs all week, then that would also be a problem. He's there to practice and win games, not run with strippers.

Cam just doesn't get it- he's all about Cam and that act gets really tired in football, especially from a QB.

 

[Blue2010]

My Fantasy team's problems are because of Cam, that's for damn sure.

And if he were going to strip clubs all week, then that would also be a problem. He's there to practice and win games, not run with strippers.

Cam just doesn't get it- he's all about Cam and that act gets really tired in football, especially from a QB.

Not disagreeing, and Cam was my top pick this year, so I feel the pain there too. But Cam's production has dropped off because his OL is beyond terrible, and when you add in the injuries they have had on top of that, he has zero protection. Kelvin Benjamin, as talented as he is, simply cannot get separation -- he's a tall statue out there. No speed whatsoever. Ted Ginn should not be the top WR on this team, and he is this year -- that's a problem. Greg Olsen is neutralized b/c he's having to block more for Cam than do what he does best.

The offensive issues start with the horrid OL and the fact that the WR corp (outside of Ginn) cannot get open.

As for the strip clubs -- I personally don't like it, but we could say that about a lot of lifestyles. In terms of football and being ready, to me, this is no different than if A.Luck were sitting in his house playing Madden all day. You're still goofing off. But I understand a lot of people want "Peyton Manning" not "Cam Newton" and there's just no winning that argument. Your mind is made up, as is mine. We live with that knowledge and move on.

 

[Blue2010]

I would add to this -- the rest of the NFL has figured out what the Panthers do, and Mike Shula's inability to adjust and modify the offense is extremely concerning. I am a full believer now in looking to replace the OC once the season ends.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

All jokes aside, I'm legitimately worried for Cam's long-term safety if y'all don't get him an OL and teach him to slide. The league is laying the wood on him because defenses don't like him, and the dude is getting obliterated out there.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Luck > Cam. And to me it's not close.

 

[notashelbyfan]

Not disagreeing, and Cam was my top pick this year, so I feel the pain there too. But Cam's production has dropped off because his OL is beyond terrible, and when you add in the injuries they have had on top of that, he has zero protection. Kelvin Benjamin, as talented as he is, simply cannot get separation -- he's a tall statue out there. No speed whatsoever. Ted Ginn should not be the top WR on this team, and he is this year -- that's a problem. Greg Olsen is neutralized b/c he's having to block more for Cam than do what he does best.

The offensive issues start with the horrid OL and the fact that the WR corp (outside of Ginn) cannot get open.

As for the strip clubs -- I personally don't like it, but we could say that about a lot of lifestyles. In terms of football and being ready, to me, this is no different than if A.Luck were sitting in his house playing Madden all day. You're still goofing off. But I understand a lot of people want "Peyton Manning" not "Cam Newton" and there's just no winning that argument. Your mind is made up, as is mine. We live with that knowledge and move on.

Sunday night ZERO sacks with a makeshift O-line and only 7 points!

 

[Raising Heel]

Not disagreeing, and Cam was my top pick this year, so I feel the pain there too. But Cam's production has dropped off because his OL is beyond terrible, and when you add in the injuries they have had on top of that, he has zero protection. Kelvin Benjamin, as talented as he is, simply cannot get separation -- he's a tall statue out there. No speed whatsoever. Ted Ginn should not be the top WR on this team, and he is this year -- that's a problem. Greg Olsen is neutralized b/c he's having to block more for Cam than do what he does best.

The offensive issues start with the horrid OL and the fact that the WR corp (outside of Ginn) cannot get open.

As for the strip clubs -- I personally don't like it, but we could say that about a lot of lifestyles. In terms of football and being ready, to me, this is no different than if A.Luck were sitting in his house playing Madden all day. You're still goofing off. But I understand a lot of people want "Peyton Manning" not "Cam Newton" and there's just no winning that argument. Your mind is made up, as is mine. We live with that knowledge and move on.

I would add to this -- the rest of the NFL has figured out what the Panthers do, and Mike Shula's inability to adjust and modify the offense is extremely concerning. I am a full believer now in looking to replace the OC once the season ends.

You realize you just pointed a finger at everyone except Cam, right?

 

[heelmanwilm]

Power play by coach ron imo. Keeping a strong hold on discipline in the face of adversity. Could go either way. Maybe the team will respond and play better or maybe they revolt and say screw it seasons over.

 

[coolwaterunc]

I don't care. The sooner this season is over the better.

 

[coolwaterunc]

maybe they revolt and say screw it seasons over.

They've already done that. So have I.

 

[Blue2010]

Luck > Cam. And to me it's not close.

100% disagree, but to each his own.

 

[Blue2010]

You realize you just pointed a finger at everyone except Cam, right?

Cam owns some blame, sure. But if you're looking for root causes for this disaster of a season, Cam would not be anywhere near the top of that list of reasons.

 

[UNC71-00]

Cam owns some blame, sure. But if you're looking for root causes for this disaster of a season, Cam would not be anywhere near the top of that list of reasons.

No, but his moping around and acting like a petulant toddler has not been helpful.

Cam has great QB skills but needs to grow up if he ever wants to be a great QB.

 

[Blue2010]

No, but his moping around and acting like a petulant toddler has not been helpful.

Cam has great QB skills but needs to grow up if he ever wants to be a great QB.

Fair enough. The amazing remedy for how he acts and dresses is winning -- last year, no one mentioned the "towel on the head" look.

 

[UNC71-00]

Fair enough. The amazing remedy for how he acts and dresses is winning -- last year, no one mentioned the "towel on the head" look.

I don't think we are talking about the towel on the head or his silly press conference outfits when we talk about "the look". I am referring to his pouting and dour attitude as his "look"

 

[Blue2010]

I don't think we are talking about the towel on the head or his silly press conference outfits when we talk about "the look". I am referring to his pouting and dour attitude as his "look"

Gotcha. I can see that. I'm sure I'm a homer on this one, but in full honesty, I would be hypocritical to judge him based on how he handles a loss, for example. I am the same way. I H-A-T-E to lose, and when I was playing sports, God only knows what would have come out of my mouth of a reporter shoved a microphone in my face after losing a big game. I understand that the stakes are higher when you're a $100+ million face-of-the-franchise QB...but at the end of the day, as a fan, I want someone who cares about winning so badly that losing simply isn't an option. I personally like that, again, just b/c that is how I feel I am as well.

Not saying your way is wrong, but hopefully you can see what I'm getting at.

 

[coolwaterunc]

Gotcha. I can see that. I'm sure I'm a homer on this one, but in full honesty, I would be hypocritical to judge him based on how he handles a loss, for example. I am the same way. I H-A-T-E to lose, and when I was playing sports, God only knows what would have come out of my mouth of a reporter shoved a microphone in my face after losing a big game. I understand that the stakes are higher when you're a $100+ million face-of-the-franchise QB...but at the end of the day, as a fan, I want someone who cares about winning so badly that losing simply isn't an option. I personally like that, again, just b/c that is how I feel I am as well.

Not saying your way is wrong, but hopefully you can see what I'm getting at.

People want a PC QB who "says the right things."

 

[Blue2010]

People want a PC QB who "says the right things."

Basically what this boils down to.

 

[UNC71-00]

Basically what this boils down to.

No, I want a guy who is generally positive with his teammates and carries himself like a winner and a leader. I understand getting pissed about a loss here and there and the occasional tantrum, but those need to be few and far between because they do nothing to further the cause, which is winning.

 

[coolwaterunc]

Maybe I should care about this, but I just don't. I simply cannot see what the big deal is. He doesn't put a fake smile on his face at the podium and talk about how everything is fine and say "we'll get him next time fellas!" I mean, who cares? He's not throwing his teammates under the bus or anything. He hates losing - it's just that he isn't good at hiding it. Non issue.

 

[UNC71-00]

“I feel I wore a similar outfit as this before and nothing was done, but [Rivera] says he has rules in place and we have to abide by them,” Newton said.

Translation- not my fault.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Cam saves his fake smiles for his dabs and when he's giving footballs to kids to try to get in the public's good graces.

I'm not saying the debacle that has been the Panthers season is his fault - but you can definitely tell he has reacted to it differently than someone like Brady would if it were happening on his team.

I think he's every bit as physically talented as Luck right now. Less mentally talented sure, and when his body starts to break down after taking all these huge hits in a few years, he'll be behind Luck - but for right now they're physically comparable talent-wise.

 

[coolwaterunc]

“I feel I wore a similar outfit as this before and nothing was done, but [Rivera] says he has rules in place and we have to abide by them,” Newton said.

Translation- not my fault.

Again, don't care. It's not like what he stated was wrong. lol

 

[notashelbyfan]

People want a PC QB who "says the right things."

No we want a QB that plays hard is a team player and is professional, oh yeah and one that in the biggest most important game of his life will get his ass on the ground to cover a ball he fumbled!

 

[TarHeelMark]

If Cam had the attitude that Jake had, then he'd truly be unstoppable. Delhomme's fight to win and his leadership ability with Cam's size and skills would be phenomenal.

 

[Blue2010]

Lot of prisoners of the moment when it comes to Cam.

 

[TarHeelMark]

at this point, I don't really mind if the Panthers tank it, and get a better draft pick...

 

[TarHeelNation11]

It's really as simple as this when it comes to Cam **and please note, this metaphor actually has nothing to do with the dress code thing. It's about how you carry yourself**

Being a pro QB is like belonging to a really fancy golf country club. You may not understand why you have to dress so nice to use the facilities, why you can't wear a hat indoors, and why you have to act a certain way, but you still abide by these rules because those are the rules and that's how things are done. You don't try to show up for a round of 18 in jorts and an American Eagle one-size-too-small polo. You carry yourself with respect in your actions and your appearance because that's what the situation dictates. You pay respect to the club, the course, and the game. Same thing applies to franchise QBs in football.

@coolwaterunc and @Blue2010, I totally get y'alls positions on this topic. I really do. And I probably side more towards Cam's side than against Cam's side on most things. But Cam simply has to understand that as an NFL QB you have to act a certain way. You just have to do it. You may not like it. It may not jive with your personality. But you've got to do it. Cam has to learn how to carry himself as a franchise QB and face of a franchise. It's completely fine for the star WR, RB, LB, S, or DT to do the things Cam does (on the field, on the sidelines, and in press conferences), but it's not okay for the franchise QB to do it. Unfair? Maybe. But that's how it is.

 

[UNC71-00]

It's really as simple as this when it comes to Cam **and please note, this metaphor actually has nothing to do with the dress code thing. It's about how you carry yourself**

Being a pro QB is like belonging to a really fancy golf country club. You may not understand why you have to dress so nice to use the facilities, why you can't wear a hat indoors, and why you have to act a certain way, but you still abide by these rules because those are the rules and that's how things are done. You don't try to show up for a round of 18 in jorts and an American Eagle one-size-too-small polo. You carry yourself with respect in your actions and your appearance because that's what the situation dictates. You pay respect to the club, the course, and the game. Same thing applies to franchise QBs in football.

@coolwaterunc and @Blue2010, I totally get y'alls positions on this topic. I really do. And I probably side more towards Cam's side than against Cam's side on most things. But Cam simply has to understand that as an NFL QB you have to act a certain way. You just have to do it. You may not like it. It may not jive with your personality. But you've got to do it. Cam has to learn how to carry himself as a franchise QB and face of a franchise. It's completely fine for the star WR, RB, LB, S, or DT to do the things Cam does (on the field, on the sidelines, and in press conferences), but it's not okay for the franchise QB to do it. Unfair? Maybe. But that's how it is.

Good analogy. And if he is to win the club championship, then he gets a little flexibility. But until then, he's just another guy with a scratch handicap who can't get the ball in the hole when the money is on the line. The club is full of that kind of guy, but it's only the jackasses who have that game who want to call attention to themselves.

 

[Blue2010]

It's really as simple as this when it comes to Cam **and please note, this metaphor actually has nothing to do with the dress code thing. It's about how you carry yourself**

Being a pro QB is like belonging to a really fancy golf country club. You may not understand why you have to dress so nice to use the facilities, why you can't wear a hat indoors, and why you have to act a certain way, but you still abide by these rules because those are the rules and that's how things are done. You don't try to show up for a round of 18 in jorts and an American Eagle one-size-too-small polo. You carry yourself with respect in your actions and your appearance because that's what the situation dictates. You pay respect to the club, the course, and the game. Same thing applies to franchise QBs in football.

@coolwaterunc and @Blue2010, I totally get y'alls positions on this topic. I really do. And I probably side more towards Cam's side than against Cam's side on most things. But Cam simply has to understand that as an NFL QB you have to act a certain way. You just have to do it. You may not like it. It may not jive with your personality. But you've got to do it. Cam has to learn how to carry himself as a franchise QB and face of a franchise. It's completely fine for the star WR, RB, LB, S, or DT to do the things Cam does (on the field, on the sidelines, and in press conferences), but it's not okay for the franchise QB to do it. Unfair? Maybe. But that's how it is.

I get the analogy, and I understand completely with this vantage point. FWIW, in my position now, I won't even walk outside the house unless I'm dressed, at minimum, in a way I would be comfortable dressing at work...because you just never know who you will run into. If you dress appropriately, no one will notice...but if you don't, everyone will notice AND remember it. I completely get it -- it's an image thing, it's how you carry yourself, and as a leader, you're held to a higher standard.

Take that mentality and sit it up on the shelf for a minute.

Specifically for this conversation -- I personally want a QB to absolutely despise "losing" to his core, in his soul... I don't want a QB that as soon as the game is over, is smiling, high-fiving the other team, chummy with the media, giving the "Aw shucks, we'll get 'em next time, guys" routine. That just bleeds "this is a business," to me. Spare me the BS (as a fan). I respect the QB who is not PC and you can see how much losing hurts. I actually think that is just as strong for camaraderie as the "Peyton Manning" route. The QB is often the highest paid player on the team -- if you're an underpaid Offensive Lineman, IMO, you WANT to see that your high-paid QB is someone you would go to fight tooth and nail for.

Again, I see both sides here -- I just side with the "less fake" one, personally, with regards to football.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

I get the analogy, and I understand completely with this vantage point. FWIW, in my position now, I won't even walk outside the house unless I'm dressed, at minimum, in a way I would be comfortable dressing at work...because you just never know who you will run into. If you dress appropriately, no one will notice...but if you don't, everyone will notice AND remember it. I completely get it -- it's an image thing, it's how you carry yourself, and as a leader, you're held to a higher standard.

Take that mentality and sit it up on the shelf for a minute.

Specifically for this conversation -- I personally want a QB to absolutely despise "losing" to his core, in his soul... I don't want a QB that as soon as the game is over, is smiling, high-fiving the other team, chummy with the media, giving the "Aw shucks, we'll get 'em next time, guys" routine. That just bleeds "this is a business," to me. Spare me the BS (as a fan). I respect the QB who is not PC and you can see how much losing hurts. I actually think that is just as strong for camaraderie as the "Peyton Manning" route. The QB is often the highest paid player on the team -- if you're an underpaid Offensive Lineman, IMO, you WANT to see that your high-paid QB is someone you would go to fight tooth and nail for.

Again, I see both sides here -- I just side with the "less fake" one, personally, with regards to football.

I definitely get what you're saying. You're talking to someone who hates losing so much that I break things (remotes, figurines, dry wall, etc) when I lose or when my team loses. I hate losing more than I like winning.

It would be fine if Cam visibly and verbally showed his frustration on the field and on the sideline and SOME in his press conferences. The only problem is, he doesn't really come across as "I'm so pissed we lost." He comes across as aloof, undisciplined, and "whatever, I don't give a shit" type of exasperated. You can be professional and still relay how pissed you are that your team lost. Big Ben is a good example of this. You don't have to be Matt Ryan-level fake with it. You can show your disappointment. But you've still got to be professional. You can't sit up there and go "I don't know, man. We just gotta do better. I don't know" over and over. And you certainly can't just walk off the podium after a Super Bowl or whenever you're too upset to answer questions.

On the field, no question Cam should show his passion and his frustration as much as he wants. If he feels aggrieved that he didn't get a call, he should get in the ref's face and do everything shy of physically touching the ref to make his point known. But after the game ends, he's gotta force himself to maintain some level of professionalism. Again, he doesn't have to be Matt Ryan. But he does have to maintain some composure.

 

[coolwaterunc]

For me it's simple, I don't want you to act a certain way because the general public labels QB's this way so act accordingly. Just be yourself. That's exactly what he does, and I respect that about him. I've never been an interview or press conference guy anyway because I know 95% of what they say is BS for the camera, so I don't care. I think that's why I respect Cam. He doesn't fit that mold.