Platek at Peach
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Ah the guy he reminds me of...without all the doochbaggery and obvious dirty ballplayer nature that is adored in Derm...is Gumby Mcflopper. He can shoot it, savvy, smart, decent passer.... handles??? Hell he isn't a PG and lacks a certain degree of quickness But he will light it up and be the kind of player America loves as opposed to the despicable ahole that plays in Derm
Not bad at all. I like that his upper body shooting form looks consistent even when his lower body isn't in position.
As usual with guys like this, the question is whether they can still nail the shots against the next level of defender.
We'll find out.
We'll have 3 of these guys on the team next year. Kenny, Brandon and Andrew. It's probably reasonable to expect 1 or 2 of them to actually deliver. Even if they aren't good enough to start - and I'm not saying they won't be - if they can come off the bench and shoot arrows, they can help us win.
As usual with guys like this, the question is whether they can still nail the shots against the next level of defender.
We'll find out.
We'll have 3 of these guys on the team next year. Kenny, Brandon and Andrew. It's probably reasonable to expect 1 or 2 of them to actually deliver. Even if they aren't good enough to start - and I'm not saying they won't be - if they can come off the bench and shoot arrows, they can help us win.
His handle is fine, as is his court vision, and in fact is perfectly capable of sliding over to PG if needed, which he did very effectively when I saw him.
We shall see if that's true. High School and the ACC different. So after his freshman year he should know what to really work on.
OK, this is a kid IMO that is not a 4 star, he isn't an amazing athletic guy, he isn't going to blow you away with ball handles or amazing passes. I doubt he becomes a lock down defender because not sure he has the quickness but defending many times is as much about want to as it is ability. I don't consider him particularly ball strong but does seem to have solid court vision, he is certainly not a size mismatch. There is a lot of stuff this kid ain't...but there is stuff this kid is to...
First off, what got him the offer, kid is a knock down jump shooter that pulls the trigger quickly and solid well past the trey. Kid is a gym rat, we seem to be getting a lot of those, I love gym rats to by the way! Joel, 7th, BRob, Kenny are back court gym rats we already have, this Platek kid is another one. If Platek had committed to duke, we would hate this kid for 4yrs because all the stuff he ain't, the stuff he is can be a huge weapon. Kid can become a dagger dealer from the 3pt arch, quick high release without hesitation, deals daggers, and hustles, will challenge for the lead in hustle stats.
When we can surround the 3pt arch with guys like Platek, Kenny, BRob, Jalek, and 7th...Some one better tell Katie to see if that door is barred cause it is about to rain treys in buckets!
First off, what got him the offer, kid is a knock down jump shooter that pulls the trigger quickly and solid well past the trey. Kid is a gym rat, we seem to be getting a lot of those, I love gym rats to by the way! Joel, 7th, BRob, Kenny are back court gym rats we already have, this Platek kid is another one. If Platek had committed to duke, we would hate this kid for 4yrs because all the stuff he ain't, the stuff he is can be a huge weapon. Kid can become a dagger dealer from the 3pt arch, quick high release without hesitation, deals daggers, and hustles, will challenge for the lead in hustle stats.
When we can surround the 3pt arch with guys like Platek, Kenny, BRob, Jalek, and 7th...Some one better tell Katie to see if that door is barred cause it is about to rain treys in buckets!
No offense Jericho, but how in the world did you get questionable ball handling out of that video? He put the ball on the floor and drove to the hoop successfully at least four times, one of which was a 360 move. What part of his handle was questionable to you? He also had a couple of very nice assists.
No, he isn't über athletic. But he has a solid handle, a good basketball IQ, great size and a very sweet stroke with a quick release. I love this kid. He reminds me a lot of Frasor and that's a very good thing.
No, he isn't über athletic. But he has a solid handle, a good basketball IQ, great size and a very sweet stroke with a quick release. I love this kid. He reminds me a lot of Frasor and that's a very good thing.
I think we should lower those expectations there. Grayson is a million times more athletic and was doing it against the highest competition. Platek will be a nice role player/shooter his first few seasons, Allen was a star last year.
Very much so, with a more consistent stroke, and that's a very good thing.
For the life of me I can't figure out why some Carolina people want to throw cold water on that. I saw him play in EYBL and I know talent when I see it. He's not some last-minute class-filler. There's a very good reason our coaching staff went after him.
He will surprise a lot of our fans, especially those who base their opinions on the number of stars by a guy's name. He possesses a well rounded game, he's not just a bomber.
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I love his addition to the team! Last year we didn't have one single shooter you had to game plan for. MP was in an extended slump, JJ was inconsistent, and JB never got the credit he deserved. Adding Platek means opponents have to account for him, especially off that curl at the top and that corner baseline! Someone has to get WAY out on him and that will be a real problem for those that have to D up our bigs! It will open up the slash move for JJ and make JB's drives even more problematic.
Great get by Roy!
Great get by Roy!
Duh... of course it is. Is there a purpose to this post?
I can say the same about some of yours.
It seems some of you think some of us are trashing him because we think he is mainly a shooter. We need some guys who can shoot the ball. That's great. Many people have often said why don't we just have a guy who can shoot the ball. Nothing else, just shoot it. Hopefully he can do that. If he can do more, great. If not, whatever. Just make some threes. Nothing wrong with that.
I think a lot of the lack of enthusiasm for Platek is just ranking related. Folks can watch a clip on a kid that is lower ranked and may like what they see but wonder why the experts don't love him, what have they seen or didn't see that didn't show in that clip, he must not be that good. People tend to trust acknowledged experts and discredit those that are not credentialed.
So you let a gary watch a kid and like what he watches but the experts don't tag a lot of star rating to the kid and 2 things occur. First the gary (not picking on gary, could as easy said any coach that understands the game and that could fit several posters) but the gary in this example is discredited over his opinion because it conflicts with the accepted experts. before you groan at that statement it is nothing but human nature to trust acknowledged experts over laymen in most things. Second thing that happens is a kid's potential is assumed to be less just by counting the number of stars beside his name, how well the kid will actually fit in to a teams area of need isn't looked at as hard as how many stars he has, unfortunate IMO.
Me, I trust what I see, I will consider what experts say and have to trust them for things I can not see but for those things I can see, only eyes I trust are my own. Once we have a kid I no longer care what his star rating is, how it impacts over all recruiting class rankings, all that to me is BS once we have a kid. Cause once we have a kid all I care about from that point forward is how he fits in to what we do and can he help us and especially in our areas of need.
So you let a gary watch a kid and like what he watches but the experts don't tag a lot of star rating to the kid and 2 things occur. First the gary (not picking on gary, could as easy said any coach that understands the game and that could fit several posters) but the gary in this example is discredited over his opinion because it conflicts with the accepted experts. before you groan at that statement it is nothing but human nature to trust acknowledged experts over laymen in most things. Second thing that happens is a kid's potential is assumed to be less just by counting the number of stars beside his name, how well the kid will actually fit in to a teams area of need isn't looked at as hard as how many stars he has, unfortunate IMO.
Me, I trust what I see, I will consider what experts say and have to trust them for things I can not see but for those things I can see, only eyes I trust are my own. Once we have a kid I no longer care what his star rating is, how it impacts over all recruiting class rankings, all that to me is BS once we have a kid. Cause once we have a kid all I care about from that point forward is how he fits in to what we do and can he help us and especially in our areas of need.
I sometimes wonder how much the ratings are related to pro potential versus college potential. I have no hard facts on this but watching some of the players rated really high, they don't do a ton to effectively help their team before they announce for the draft.
I believe that is why quite a few posters don't mind that 20 - 60 range player. Might be as good or very close without the perceived threat of them leaving after one year and really missing out on the effective play to an NBA team.
I believe that is why quite a few posters don't mind that 20 - 60 range player. Might be as good or very close without the perceived threat of them leaving after one year and really missing out on the effective play to an NBA team.
So Tripson is athletic? Hmm, play defense/trip players...he was pathetic at times as a freshman...oh, and he shoots pretty well at times, IMO, on a matchup if a kid hung with him on every drive just to disrupt, Tripson wouldn't shoot very well at all. He is well schooled in the spastic flailing they love over there...
No, Tripson wasn't a "star" so much as media/dook shoved him forward into that position. A "star", no not really, a pretty good player, sure.
wow I think Allen could definitely be categorized as a star college player. He's also very athletic. I don't have his stats available but I'm pretty sure he averaged close to 20 pts last season. That gets you in "star" category in college. He also will most likely be a mid first rd pick in the draft soooo yeah.
You just can't help yourself, can you?Duh... of course it is. Is there a purpose to this post?
At least you're humble though.
Ratings are just as subjective as our comments on here are. These players are rated by people and each of the experts has his own interior criteria for what makes one player better than others (heck, some don't even watch the kids ,they just parrot what others say). If I consider pro potential paramount I rate peeps higher who have it. Conversely, if I rate potential to excel in college as paramount then I would rate different peeps higher. Maybe I change my opinion based on which school the kid commits to-does the commitment suddenly make a kid better?
If ratings were in any way objective there would not be such a wide range of ratings for individuals across the various sites.
Platek fills a need so on our team he is the perfect recruit!
If ratings were in any way objective there would not be such a wide range of ratings for individuals across the various sites.
Platek fills a need so on our team he is the perfect recruit!
Ratings may indeed be subjective however they are scarily accurate as far as a predictor for a recruits potential and future success in college. Typically Roy does his best work with guys who are rated subjectively in the top 30-40 in a class and the higher the better.
Having said that I like what platek could bring. As long as he's surrounded by the right talent he could be a deadly weapon to have available.
You're nuts. Allen is one of the more athletic 6'4'' white guys we've had in college bball. He's the preseason Player of the Year choice on many ballots after averaging over 20ppg as a soph. He's a star.
Stop making me defend him.
I concur that Roy does do better with higher ranked players. I bet every coach does, but I also know that Roy excels with developing lower ranked players and can get the best out of any recruit that is willing to work. He can find ways to put them in position to maximize their potential and help our team better than almost anyone. I think Izzo comes the closest to matching Roy in this respect.
As for Platek....I don't know what he is ranked (and don't really care). I like his shot but don't love it. I like Kenny's better tbh. From what I've seen he looks like an ok player who can shoot. That's great. He will at the least do the other things well enough not to hurt us if he can make shots. Then if he can do more that will be awesome.
As for Allen...he is a huge douchebag but is very athletic and very good. No idea why anyone would think differently.
As for Roy...he does do a great job with developing his guys for his system. Part of that is his willingness to play them and let them learn and I think part if just the way they practice. I want 4 and 5 stars just like everyone else but am confident Roy will get the best out of guys. He pretty clearly does that better than almost anyone considering how his guys succeed so much at this level compared to the next.
As for Allen...he is a huge douchebag but is very athletic and very good. No idea why anyone would think differently.
As for Roy...he does do a great job with developing his guys for his system. Part of that is his willingness to play them and let them learn and I think part if just the way they practice. I want 4 and 5 stars just like everyone else but am confident Roy will get the best out of guys. He pretty clearly does that better than almost anyone considering how his guys succeed so much at this level compared to the next.
I agree, and I'm not sure why we're even talking about Allen ITT. There is not much real comparison with Platek.
Anyway, yes, Allen is absolutely athletic, and he can absolutely shoot... but it's also true he'a a star largely because K has given him license to be a ball-hog and fire and drive at will (whether well-advised or not). He's also doesn't play a lot of legitimate defense.
Still yes, he has become a star. But if that's their star, then IMO they are welcome to him.
