You can have 2 small guards in your back court, you can have Mugsey Bouges as your PG but you need rim protectors in your front court. What made it even harder for us was that if you have less rim protection and 2 small guards in your back court then BOTH those back court guys need to be solid jump shooters and we had a weak jump shooter at the point and our back up for RJ at the 2 was as well a weak jump shooter AND our wing (when Drake played the wing spot later season) and our power forward were not solid jump shooters (JWit did drop some late season and when he did it really did help us).
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I disagree.
I hate duuk but they have the blueprint to win 🏆s; the NBA model. I hope that’s not the case next week but they’re going to be a very tough out as a result. I’m rooting for the Gators! Although not as talented, they are massive as well! Other *major programs* will seek to build their team similarly. If we dont??
Wish for thinking. What would you do?
PG- 6’3 or taller /38%+ 3ball.
C- 6’11 or taller (240lbs +) 78%FT
PF-6’9/6’10 38%3ball
SG-6’6 38%3ball
F 6’7 38%3ball+
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Cmon there are likely poster's in here who were 6'1 in 2005 who are no longer.
Game's changed a shade in 2 decades.... that said Ray Ray wasnt exactly a spindly push over.
I would be shocked if Ian isn't developing for his pro game. 2nd round is fine for him and G league.
Ian should enter the draft and the portal.
He wasn't being developed here, so if he doesn't go pro, he should find another school.
What school would be a good fit?
Well damn tell us how you really feel! 😂
I 1000% disagree though.
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Yelp RF was special special, super elite!!! And then came evolution!
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You don't know that. You weren't at practice nor were you privy to any conversations HD had with Ian. You saw a freshman struggle his first year of college ball. Well I guess that's never happened before in the whole history of the NCAA. I'm not at all happy with the inconsistencies in the program, or the construction of the last year's team. However, I stop short of making definitive statements that can't be proven. If Ian were to come back, which is highly unlikely, we may see the fruit of the teaching he received this year.
I don't think that is the issue. I think it is just the pro route for him, G league time not an issue.
But seriously, doesn't someone in his camp point out that in the g League you make $40,000. At UNC you make a million, all for playing basketball.
I would think he believes he can get a 2 way G league at least. That is 600,000 minimum.
Which is still less than an NIL deal if you have a decent agent.
IMO its all about these young kids being deluded for the last several years as to their ceiling.... All being built up by everyone in their ear (most of these coat tailing) that they are 1st rounders midway through high school if not before.
Now kids have the ability to make more than they really should to stay in school yet some of them still hang onto that delusion and fritter away in the G league for a few years vs taking advantage of development (in a system that allows them to transfer multiple times) then end up nowhere near a basketball career.
The ability to transfer seems good but it only fuels the inevitable. If they really aren't NBA proper material they are now telling themselves "this coach held me back- transfer" or "this player took my minutes, transfer" ultimately "im an NBA caliber player, im not getting my shot here- transfer "
Much diluted is the mentality of grind and make an impact, tireless work and get my shot. There are scores of players who weren't necessarily NBA talents who forged a meaningful career by out working those around them.
Its really sad what this once amazing sport has become.
This is my point exactly.
As for the rest of your post, I agree wholeheartedly in principle, but not specifically to Ian.
Ian strikes me as someone who sincerely wants to get better and is not afraid to put in the work. This is the kid that texted his head coach everyday to hear what he could do to get better. I just think there is a physical and in-game maturity that would help in dramatically rise on the production scale or he to grind out another year at UNC.
If I were him or he were my son, and if there were any question about developments via the coaches, I would take my development into my own hands (I.E shooting coaches, individual drills, utilize S&C coaches etc.).
ALL OF THIS WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE TEAM LOOKS LIKE COMING BACK NEXT YEAR.
Winning makes everyone look better. If we are not going to field a competitive team, which at this point we don't have, I do exactly what he is planning to do and go work on my individual game for less money.
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1. Seth shot 50% from deep early this season. Including 42% against Kansas, Auburn, MSU and Alabama. He averaged 42% all last season but was similarly better early. Figure out how to keep him from fading during the season and give him the ball. Alternatively, maybe one of the frosh will step up.
2. JWash looked like he could make his FTs, but never got to that level. Would more trips to the line have fixed that? Too late now.
3. That's Withers. But he's gone. Can Wilson hit your 3pt% mark? No reason to think any of our current bigs meet your specs.
4. Both Powells satisfy this requirement.
5. Dorn fits this one. Maybe Drake (he looks taller than his listed height to me).
Hubert is unlikely to hand Seth the ball.
I'd think the G-league would be raising it's pay levels to compete with NIL. Are they doing that?
This is why I think he needs to change schools/coaches if he doesn't stay in the draft. If that oft-repeated story reflects his willingness to be coached, his end-of-season performance suggests Hubert squandered that coachability, Go get good NIL from a coach who will make you a pro.
What makes you think Huber squandered that opportunity? None us of were at practice to see what went on. Let’s not forget a couple of things happened toward the end of the season, Ian was fasting from sun up to sun down because of Ramadan which has to be tough on a Division 1 athlete. Could have contributed to why he wasn’t shooting it as well compared to earlier in the season. Also RJ was shooting better late in the year thus taking time from him.. Ian was putting up his best numbers when RJ was in a slump
What you say is certainly correct about not being in the practices, and not knowing the details. But what I've seen is an accumulation of disappointments in player development over several years.
It takes no skill to see Ian's talent. And his energy. And the stories make it abundantly clear that the kid really wants to be coached to get better.
Hubert failed. Not for the first time. Not a fluke. Not a misjudgment of the player's ability during recruiting.
I've stopped making excuses for him. It's on Hubert to prove he CAN develop his players.
Until this year I would have said Hubert is better at recruiting players than he is at using them wisely and was better at using his players wisely, as is, than developing them. This year he wasn't even very good at using them wisely.
As I've said elsewhere, coaches go through learning curves, too. Maybe Hubert will have learned from his developmental failures. I hope so.
The NBA cares much more about potential than college performance as has been stated over and over. Older is worse automatically. And while we’re still pretending these are students-and even after we stop-a kid can work and improve more in pro situations that they can at college, especially one with a poor development record.
Yes. I seriously do think our coaches have done a good job developing players. Ian got loads better at knowing what a good shot is, playing team and on ball D; and helping to distribute the ball. (still gets lost on help side too) Lubin, Seth, EC (maturity is holding him back), JWash (lack of strength and confidence), and even RJ all developed and expanded their games at UNC. Cade looked like he didn't benefit but it might be a him problem or he might be the only one who supports the argument. What our coaches need to get better at is consistent/effective transition O; using more multiple D; and in-game adjustments. I agree with G-7 that they need to get closer to the traditional 2ndary but I disagree that they can't be successful if they don't. I also disagree that it was bad coaching to sit EC when he didn't earn a starting nod and to pull him when he was fouling too much or launching the ball into the stands. If not starting him on Day 1 was so detrimental to EC's psyche, then how strong was he to begin with. I love the kid and I truly wish he was returning , but it is far more important for him to look in the mirror and own his part! Even a blind man could see the learning curve of our coaches and only a true bball novice wouldn't have expected them to need growth!
But why let evidence sway you, continue with the same tired narrative since that is SOP!
I am excited by our approach to the portal; our incoming class; and the changes in our entire system!
Tar Heels are on the rise and I will enjoy watching peeps leap back on the bandwagon nest season!
But why let evidence sway you, continue with the same tired narrative since that is SOP!
I am excited by our approach to the portal; our incoming class; and the changes in our entire system!
Tar Heels are on the rise and I will enjoy watching peeps leap back on the bandwagon nest season!
The minimum for a 2 way is half of the rookie minimum, it can be more. The league is doing very well and salary cap is rising quickly, so th half of minimum will increase with it.
I agree with lot of this TP...LOOK, I waited, as I said I would till the last game was played before I shared my feelings on Hubert and when I did I clearly shared that I would have to move on from Hubert if I was the AD. But that does not mean that I am going to now look for any and every reason, fact or fiction to spin in some way negative toward Hubert.
This question of Hubert's development of players is spin to hammer Hubert, is it fair, who cares, is it accurate, I think everyone should care. I want to remind everyone that the time coaches actually get to spend on the court with their players is very limited, so limited that the staff can give the players some basic outlines but the fine tuning has to come from the players. Coaches can show you on film but the player has to take that and work to correct things. What I saw was a really poor level of team (meaning players not coaches) leadership. I would suggest players tend to really learn the most from other players and it is those lessons learned that result in development, it is the lessons they learn and that players will to put in the EXTRA work needed to get better.
If Ian was missing jump shots was Hubert coaching him to miss shots? When Cadeau was throwing passes to big men at their knees in traffic, was that Hubert saying make sure you pass it to his knees? I may be wrong but I have a hard time believing that Hubert told Ian to drive in to the teeth of 3 waiting defenders or told RJ to break off the break because we don't run secondary breaks at UNC any more? I am pretty sure Hubert didn't tell Cadeau to make sure he picked up his second foul by the 10min mark of the first half or Elliot, we need a couple more TOs this half, 2 ain't enough? Anyone really believe Hubert told Cadeau to not worry about putting up any jump shots this past off season because nothing was wrong with his jump shooting? Really believe that Hubert told JWash, don't waste your time in the weight room son, you don't need to add any weight, is that why JWash came in to this past season at the same weight he went in to the season before at?
No, what the above describes is a severe lack of player leadership rather than a lack of coaching. Former players have tried to say this, pissed off a lot of fans when they did but they are right. The players are not putting in the work. How many days in the last 2 years does anyone here really believe Cadeau put in working on his jump shot, putting up nothing but jump shots for 3 straight hours, how often do you really think he did that for 5 straight days? You want to get better that is what you do, that is what Joel Berry did after his freshman season, you saw the results, that wasn't Roy, that was Joel.
Jackson was a freshman in his first ACC and first NCAA tournament - not getting starter minutes because he was behind a guy that was a POY candidate coming into the year. He struggled down the stretch, but it's not time for panic. Jackson should come back, start all year, and put himself squarely into the 1st round of the 2026 Draft. Hopefully, he does exactly that.
Since this staff appears to have limitations when it comes to in-game adjustments and quite frankly, the season-long constant slow starts against top 50 competition is probably some to do with game plan and coaching too. Not saying both are all on the coaching staff. Like everything in life, there is probably blame a little bit here and a little bit there.
But because of those limitations, I think this staff needs a couple of things on its roster.
First, they need to be a really good offensive rebounding team. They need to be able to manufacture some points off of misses because the offense may not be fluid all the time. So that's something that's essential IMO. Other coaches that win a lot of games don't prioritize offensive rebounding. Which is fine if you can consistently get quality looks.
I'm not all that confident in the staff's development of players but that argument can go either way. It's safer for this staff to have some ready made, day 1 ready guys as opposed to developing kids. Plus, Hubert doesn't have the luxury to wait 2-3 years for a kid to develop. He needs to win now.
The ultimate question is whether we think this coaching staff is the right one at UNC. I applaud you being really optimistic and being confident in them. I'm not so much. But they'll have this season to prove themselves.
Guys like this just fall out of trees do they? I need a sapling from one of those trees, how long before it starts producing a crop of future NBA all stars? What you offered was not a blue print, it was a dream list. Teams like that are very rare, Ky had one a few years back, duke is fortunate enough to have one now.
To really help a NBA team a kid coming in as a rookie has to contribute to that teams wins in a way that keeps them on the NBA roster all season not on a G-league team. Most of the time, the players able to do that as a rookie are top 10 high school players that play their 1 & D season of college before going to the league. It is that or a kid that has played outside of the US in some type of pro league. There are exceptions for sure but they are not all that common.
But all top 10 level players are not the same, Ian nor Drake are guys that could go to a NBA team and be difference makers, they both have a lot of flaws in their game that current NBA players would eat alive. But the NBA is actually dumb enough to draft guys on what they may do rather than what they have done, gamble millions like it is no big deal, they act like the biggest suckers on the block?
Come on, y'all. This whole "small PG" thing is a red herring from hell. Look around. Things haven't changed because of a small sample-space.
The idea that Ray, Ty or Joel couldn't be just as impactful today is absurd.
Moreover, our size at PG was NOT a problem --- having a small 2 with some defensive issues was, however --- especially when our coach refused to utilize our quickness to scramble more on defense.
Portal PG news :
Tre Donaldson from Michigan committed to Miami (FL)
Silas Demary from Georgia committed to UConn
Isaac McKneely (more of a SG) from Virginia committed to Louisville
Tre Donaldson from Michigan committed to Miami (FL)
Silas Demary from Georgia committed to UConn
Isaac McKneely (more of a SG) from Virginia committed to Louisville
in my opinion, Lubin was the only player was the only player who was noticeably better at the end of the season than the beginning. Maybe Powell but I would put a lot his improvement at playing his more natural position the latter part of the season. Ian had a stretch where he was unbelievable but then crashed. Seth just never seemed he same after the injury.
Davis was solid but didn't have as much support and tried to do too many things. Cadeau was up and down, and could be the best player on the court for 15 minutes and then make a couple of wtf plays. Withers was inconsistent the whole year.
A lot of player development comes down to repetition and muscle memory, you do the same thing over and over until you are doing them without mistakes. That is not possible with a coach who does not seem to have a defined style of play that he sticks with. Some tweaking is always needed but by November you should have an idea as to your identity on offense and defense.
I am hearing from more and more people that Hubert's stubbornness is wearing thin. The best managers I have ever worked with not only had people around them who would disagree when needed but also listened to them. This season solidified my opinion that Hubert's first act as hc should have been to retain Steve Robinson or find someone similar if he was intent on leaving.
Davis was solid but didn't have as much support and tried to do too many things. Cadeau was up and down, and could be the best player on the court for 15 minutes and then make a couple of wtf plays. Withers was inconsistent the whole year.
A lot of player development comes down to repetition and muscle memory, you do the same thing over and over until you are doing them without mistakes. That is not possible with a coach who does not seem to have a defined style of play that he sticks with. Some tweaking is always needed but by November you should have an idea as to your identity on offense and defense.
I am hearing from more and more people that Hubert's stubbornness is wearing thin. The best managers I have ever worked with not only had people around them who would disagree when needed but also listened to them. This season solidified my opinion that Hubert's first act as hc should have been to retain Steve Robinson or find someone similar if he was intent on leaving.
Miami is getting busy in their reload. Got Renoiu (spelling?) from IU as well.
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Withers played the best basketball of his career at the end of this season.
Cadeau was hitting 3s and committing less turnovers at the end of the season.
Heck, Cade Tyson had one or two decent games at the end of the season.
RJ Davis spent the whole season in a shooting slump, but started shooting and playing much better at the end of the season.
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