Pray for Brussels

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

It's not zero IMO, but it's not infinity either. If we're going to allow immigrants from Muslim nations, they should be subjected to a more rigorous screening process than that of other nations.

Agreed that the screening process should be more rigorous for those individuals. And I can also somewhat get behind the idea that the ratio doesn't necessarily have to be infinity either. From where we stand now, saying 100million lives benefited to 1 American life lost due to invited terrorism seems like a pretty decent ratio and tradeoff. Until that 1 life lost is yours or a friend/family member of yours. Then, it doesn't seem like as good of a deal.

 

[strummingram]

If you have to abandon the traits, values, and standards that you think "make you great," in some attempt to save them? Then you never had them, or greatness, to begin with.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

If you have to abandon the traits, values, and standards that you think "make you great," in some attempt to save them? Then you never had them, or greatness, to begin with.

Completely agree. The traits and values that I think have made the USA great in the past are the ability to protect its citizens and not be a pushover to foreign powers. I too hope we don't have to abandon those in order to save them.

 

[duckfook]

I look at it this way.

A Nation that can't (or won't) control it's own borders, isn't really a country. It belongs to whoever decides to come here and take it.

A Nation that does not control who is, and more importantly who is not, allowed to immigrate here, again, is not a country. It belongs to whoever wishes to come here and take it.

 

[Raising Heel]

^^^ Meh. Nobody is trying to take our country. They're just trying to kill us.

Homeland Security has upped security measures at major airports today. They claim there's no specific, credible threat but something must've tipped them off. Be vigilant and safe if you're flying today (my brother is).

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

There are some people who have their heads stuck firmly in the sand. They refuse to see the threat and act effectively against it... Unfortunately for Americans, one of them is the POTUS.

 

[gteeitup]

There are some people who have their heads stuck firmly in the sand. They refuse to see the threat and act effectively against it... Unfortunately for Americans, one of them is the POTUS.

i don't know what this potus has done any different than the last one...this could be a trick question so be careful how you answer.

unless you want to discuss high value target kills.

 

[UNC71-00]

If the policies are so bad, maybe the Republican-led Congress should have voted against Paul Ryan's omnibus bill that continued to fund them.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is example A when explaining why Trump is doing so well.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

i don't know what this potus has done any different than the last one...this could be a trick question so be careful how you answer.

unless you want to discuss high value target kills.

What's the question...?

 

[gteeitup]

What's the question...?

ahh...

what has this potus done differently than the last one?

 

[tarheel0910]

ahh...

what has this potus done differently than the last one?

The Iran deal was a complete 180 from Bush. Bush was willing to go after terrorist with boots on the ground. He also kept Putin in check. One can debate if all of that was right or wrong, but it's not what Obama has done.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

ahh...

what has this potus done differently than the last one?

Bush aggressively prosecuted the global war on terror. Obama retreated in the face of the enemy and allowed it to grow into what is it today. Obama watches baseball with Communists and tangos in Argentina immediately after a terror attack on a NATO ally instead of doing what real POTUS's do in a crisis. The guy is and has been all along nothing more than an empty suit that is way in over his head.

 

[Raising Heel]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is example A when explaining why Trump is doing so well.

Example E, maybe. Examples A through D are probably something else entirely, if we're being honest.

 

[UNC71-00]

Example E, maybe. Examples A through D are probably something else entirely, if we're being honest.

I believe that if the establishment GOP had not capitulated to Obama for the past 4-6 years, there would be no call for anti-establishment GOP candidate.

The Trump movement, first and foremost, is a giant middle finger by Trump's supporters to the establishment GOP.

 

[strummingram]

Example E, maybe. Examples A through D are probably something else entirely, if we're being honest.

Here's a real contribution to substance by the billionaire genius.
ETA: Sorry this wound up on the Belgium thread. I didn't feel like digging up a Drumpf fred.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...d-trump-posted-photo-ted-heidi-cruz/82210692/

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Here's a real contribution to substance by the billionaire genius.
ETA: Sorry this wound up on the Belgium thread. I didn't feel like digging up a Drumpf fred.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...d-trump-posted-photo-ted-heidi-cruz/82210692/

That article draws an interesting connection. Lincoln - Roosevelt - Reagan - Trump

 

[strummingram]

That article draws an interesting connection. Lincoln - Roosevelt - Reagan - Trump

Yay... Not that I was ever a fan of any of those either.

 

[UNC71-00]

Yay... Not that I was ever a fan of any of those either.

Name one president in the past 150 years that you would grade "acceptable"

 

[strummingram]

Name one president in the past 150 years that you would grade "acceptable"

That's tough. The standards for acceptable are tricky.

I like ALL of them in a sense. I mean, they all had some endearing factors. Donald Trump has them, too. There's just no WAY in hell I would want that man to be the President of the country. Sometimes, I still catch myself saying "Donald Trump as PRESIDENT?"

But, you want specifics, I know. Well, I like Jimmy Carter for the simple fact that he is one of the VERY few US Presidents where troops were not deployed somewhere and some kind of military action took place somewhere, somehow. I think there's only been like 2 or 3 administrations that can say that... if that many. So, he has that going for him. He kinda got screwed on the Iranian Hostage outcome, but, oh well. Carter was/is a really good human being. He had no business being president. He was too much of a humanitarian. If we were a bit more of a highly evolved society, he'd be ideal. We're not very highly evolved at all. Example; We're all on a Tar Heels fan board and all of us can't even get along... Radarians and OOTB'ers? Puh-leeze.

Andrew Jackson was actually able to get the USA out of debt the one and only time it ever was.

I like to think JFK would have never gone full-tilt into Vietnam like Johnson and Nixon. That would have helped a lot, if America had stayed the hell out of there. Korea, too!

Wars are so destructive to human society and it's evolution that you can barely measure all of the damage. Sometimes you find out it's still doing it. The Civil War, for example... still being fought on smaller scales every day. Veterans of any wars that are still alive are still carrying the memories. I'm a peace advocate above all. Peace makes everything work better.

Not to mention, wars are such obvious giveaways for masculine insecurity. a bunch of prick-waving.

 

[UNC71-00]

That's tough. The standards for acceptable are tricky.

I like ALL of them in a sense. I mean, they all had some endearing factors. Donald Trump has them, too. There's just no WAY in hell I would want that man to be the President of the country. Sometimes, I still catch myself saying "Donald Trump as PRESIDENT?"

But, you want specifics, I know. Well, I like Jimmy Carter for the simple fact that he is one of the VERY few US Presidents where troops were not deployed somewhere and some kind of military action took place somewhere, somehow. I think there's only been like 2 or 3 administrations that can say that... if that many. So, he has that going for him. He kinda got screwed on the Iranian Hostage outcome, but, oh well. Carter was/is a really good human being. He had no business being president. He was too much of a humanitarian. If we were a bit more of a highly evolved society, he'd be ideal. We're not very highly evolved at all. Example; We're all on a Tar Heels fan board and all of us can't even get along... Radarians and OOTB'ers? Puh-leeze.

Andrew Jackson was actually able to get the USA out of debt the one and only time it ever was.

I like to think JFK would have never gone full-tilt into Vietnam like Johnson and Nixon. That would have helped a lot, if America had stayed the hell out of there. Korea, too!

Wars are so destructive to human society and it's evolution that you can barely measure all of the damage. Sometimes you find out it's still doing it. The Civil War, for example... still being fought on smaller scales every day. Veterans of any wars that are still alive are still carrying the memories. I'm a peace advocate above all. Peace makes everything work better.

Not to mention, wars are such obvious giveaways for masculine insecurity. a bunch of prick-waving.

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tl;dr.

Let me ask again in a different way: can you use one word to provide the name of a President in the last 150 years about whom you would say "he did ok by me"?

 

[strummingram]

tl;dr.

Let me ask again in a different way: can you use one word to provide the name of a President in the last 150 years about whom you would say "he did ok by me"?

I did.

If you're not willing to read... don't ask.

 

[gteeitup]

Bush aggressively prosecuted the global war on terror. Obama retreated in the face of the enemy and allowed it to grow into what is it today. Obama watches baseball with Communists and tangos in Argentina immediately after a terror attack on a NATO ally instead of doing what real POTUS's do in a crisis. The guy is and has been all along nothing more than an empty suit that is way in over his head.

oh please...this is insane and i cannot believe i got sucked in again.

 

[UNC71-00]

I did.

If you're not willing to read... don't ask.

I wasn't counting on you channeling your inner Cory.

 

[strummingram]

oh please...this is insane and i cannot believe i got sucked in again.

 

[UNC71-00]

Oh the irony!

 

[tarheel0910]

That's tough. The standards for acceptable are tricky.

I like ALL of them in a sense. I mean, they all had some endearing factors. Donald Trump has them, too. There's just no WAY in hell I would want that man to be the President of the country. Sometimes, I still catch myself saying "Donald Trump as PRESIDENT?"

But, you want specifics, I know. Well, I like Jimmy Carter for the simple fact that he is one of the VERY few US Presidents where troops were not deployed somewhere and some kind of military action took place somewhere, somehow. I think there's only been like 2 or 3 administrations that can say that... if that many. So, he has that going for him. He kinda got screwed on the Iranian Hostage outcome, but, oh well. Carter was/is a really good human being. He had no business being president. He was too much of a humanitarian. If we were a bit more of a highly evolved society, he'd be ideal. We're not very highly evolved at all. Example; We're all on a Tar Heels fan board and all of us can't even get along... Radarians and OOTB'ers? Puh-leeze.

Andrew Jackson was actually able to get the USA out of debt the one and only time it ever was.

I like to think JFK would have never gone full-tilt into Vietnam like Johnson and Nixon. That would have helped a lot, if America had stayed the hell out of there. Korea, too!

Wars are so destructive to human society and it's evolution that you can barely measure all of the damage. Sometimes you find out it's still doing it. The Civil War, for example... still being fought on smaller scales every day. Veterans of any wars that are still alive are still carrying the memories. I'm a peace advocate above all. Peace makes everything work better.

Not to mention, wars are such obvious giveaways for masculine insecurity. a bunch of prick-waving.

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He gave you a 150 year time frame and one of the presidents you mention is Carter? We're going to have to get you some help.

 

[Raising Heel]

He gave you a 150 year time frame and one of the presidents you mention is Carter? We're going to have to get you some help.

@strummingram acknowledges Carter was a real humanitarian but also says he had no business being president. I think that's a pretty fair assessment.

And yes, I saw the winky.

 

[UNC71-00]

He gave you a 150 year time frame and one of the presidents you mention is Carter? We're going to have to get you some help.

Strum said Carter was his choice to get an acceptable rating? I gotta go read that for myself.

 

[strummingram]

He gave you a 150 year time frame and one of the presidents you mention is Carter? We're going to have to get you some help.

I told you what i based it on. If you don't like the explanation, then I'm sorry. I don't measure "success" based on how much ass they allegedly kicked, or how much blow-back they were responsible for- directly and indirectly. Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Obama are responsible for more blowback than we can measure. That will be generations worth of pissed-off Muslims... decades and decades. Imagine how pissed off Southerners who survived the Civil War were... then add to that the resolve to keep on killing people even after the war was over. In that sense, middle eastern Muslims are more volatile, or at least potentially. If your friends and family are now in the ground, and your whole world is smoldering, you might be looking for some payback.

Politicians are hypocrites and liars, almost instinctively. It's ALMOST like asking : "Which famous criminal actually did the most for society outside of their criminal activity?"

I don't like going back too far because the times and circumstances are completely beyond my comprehension. They lived in totally different conditions. A few things still apply..."You know, that Millard Fillmore was a helluva soprano!"

 

[strummingram]

Strum said Carter was his choice to get an acceptable rating? I gotta go read that for myself.

I mentioned Carter, Andrew Jackson and JFK.

 

[UNC71-00]

Ok, I just read Strums soliloquy and he did not give one name that was acceptable. He listed a bunch, but could not give us one that was acceptable as a whole.

I'm just going to leave it at that.

 

[strummingram]

Ok, I just read Strums soliloquy and he did not give one name that was acceptable. He listed a bunch, but could not give us one that was acceptable as a whole.

I'm just going to leave it at that.

I will say that Jimmy Carter was acceptable. Humanitarian, wise, a statesman. The Allman Brothers Band campaigned for him, too.

 

[tarheel0910]

Jesus, did I accidentally post my comment on radar? I'll further explain my last post,,,

 

[gteeitup]

i think maybe i'll just see what's down here...bye

 

[gteeitup]

another high value target killed despite this potus and his global terrorist plans.

and before the responses come cascading down about "it's not him directing the attacks", the point is that another terrorist is dead.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Yikes. Iraqi soccer stadium attacked by a suicide bomber. 29 confirmed dead, 60 wounded, per AP.

 

[Raising Heel]

Yikes. Iraqi soccer stadium attacked by a suicide bomber. 29 confirmed dead, 60 wounded, per AP.

Cripes. I fully expect something like this to eventually happen in the U.S.

Also saw today that the Brussels suicide bombers had been staking out a nuclear power plant employee and were planning on using him to get in and blow it up. There's really no end to all the possible tragedies these sumbitches can unleash on the world. Not sure there's any way to stop them all.

 

[strummingram]

Cripes. I fully expect something like this to eventually happen in the U.S.

Also saw today that the Brussels suicide bombers had been staking out a nuclear power plant employee and were planning on using him to get in and blow it up. There's really no end to all the possible tragedies these sumbitches can unleash on the world. Not sure there's any way to stop them all.

These folks aren't like the Vietnamese, are they? I think the big dogs finally f*cked with the wrong demographic, one too many times. I think that war in Afghanistan and Iraq is going to cost us, and the world, immeasurably.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

These folks aren't like the Vietnamese, are they? I think the big dogs finally f*cked with the wrong demographic, one too many times. I think that war in Afghanistan and Iraq is going to cost us, and the world, immeasurably.

Belgium has jackshit to do with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. These jihadist just hate the West and Christendom, period. There's no logic behind their attacks except to kill innocent people.

 

[strummingram]

Belgium has jackshit to do with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. These jihadist just hate the West and Christendom, period. There's no logic behind their attacks except to kill innocent people.

I never said there were/was logic behind it. THEY have their own logic. And, continuing to deny culpability helps them immensely. It has plenty of jackshit to do with it.