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Of course, I wanted Fedora gone a long time ago. I'm certain that if he returns, we'll pay a bigger price to try to rebuild than we will if we replace him now. I also truly believe that with the right coach, UNC will win the ACC and be in the running for National Championships.

If I were the AD, and I had even a hint that Bob Stoops would return to coaching, I would do whatever I could to get him to spend time in Chapel Hill and study the entire landscape of ACC football.

My 1A would be Mike Leach. He has been HC at the two most isolated, out of the way places in P5 football, and he has won big at both - in two very different parts of the country. Leach at UNC with all it offers that neither Texas Tech nor Washington can ever hope to offer - Leach could make UNC the Clemson of the Coastal.

Each of those coaches would get the automatic offer: if you want it, the job is yours.

The guy I would most want to talk to without giving him an auto offer is Brent Venables. Everything seems arranged for him to be the next Bob Stoops: the top DC under a National Champion HC who transitions very quickly into an excellent HC. But some great coordinators do not have it in them to be excellent HCs, and some who could be excellent HCs need a few years as HC below the P5 level before becoming a P5 HC. If I felt that Venables had the aura of intelligent leadership (as opposed to just football smarts, which often is self-limiting in anything off the practice/playing field), which would feature his laying out the staff he wanted to assemble and how he would pitch each coach, as well as his plan to make UNC football the nemesis to Clemson and FSU, I would make him the offer.

And that gets us to the Group of 5 HCs. More and more, I think Scott Satterfield has the best possibility to do really well at UNC. The first reason is that he has succeeded a legend and done extremely well. Jerry Moore is THE legend of App State football, and Satterfield has followed the legend with flying colors. That is a huge test. If you doubt it, just look at various coaches who followed THE coaching legend, or even The coaching legend #2, at the school.

Second, Satterfield followed a legend and led App State up from 1AA. Doing the pair of tests at the same time is a task that most coaches would find very difficult, even overwhelming. He has made it look easy. Stepping up in division is akin to rebuilding a Loser, because you start in a hole.

Today, I heard something on TOS that reinforced my feeling that Satterfield may be the next Group of 5 HC ready to make the move up and make it big. One of the longtime writers for TOS said that years ago, when everybody knew that Ap St was preparing for life after Jerry Moore, he asked the App AD how he would decided who would get the job. The App AD replied that he would get all the assistants in a room and tell then that if they all could agree on which one should be the next HC, he would be the guy. If they could not all agree on one of them, then he would open the search.

If the AD made his choice that way, it means Satterfield's leadership skills were readily apparent to his assistant coach peers, most of whom were older - very much like Dabo Swinney. A natural leader.
 
I heard that podcast too, Woad.
Speaks well of Satterfield and how he is viewed by his peers.
 
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Of course, I wanted Fedora gone a long time ago. I'm certain that if he returns, we'll pay a bigger price to try to rebuild than we will if we replace him now. I also truly believe that with the right coach, UNC will win the ACC and be in the running for National Championships.

If I were the AD, and I had even a hint that Bob Stoops would return to coaching, I would do whatever I could to get him to spend time in Chapel Hill and study the entire landscape of ACC football.

My 1A would be Mike Leach. He has been HC at the two most isolated, out of the way places in P5 football, and he has won big at both - in two very different parts of the country. Leach at UNC with all it offers that neither Texas Tech nor Washington can ever hope to offer - Leach could make UNC the Clemson of the Coastal.

Each of those coaches would get the automatic offer: if you want it, the job is yours.

The guy I would most want to talk to without giving him an auto offer is Brent Venables. Everything seems arranged for him to be the next Bob Stoops: the top DC under a National Champion HC who transitions very quickly into an excellent HC. But some great coordinators do not have it in them to be excellent HCs, and some who could be excellent HCs need a few years as HC below the P5 level before becoming a P5 HC. If I felt that Venables had the aura of intelligent leadership (as opposed to just football smarts, which often is self-limiting in anything off the practice/playing field), which would feature his laying out the staff he wanted to assemble and how he would pitch each coach, as well as his plan to make UNC football the nemesis to Clemson and FSU, I would make him the offer.

And that gets us to the Group of 5 HCs. More and more, I think Scott Satterfield has the best possibility to do really well at UNC. The first reason is that he has succeeded a legend and done extremely well. Jerry Moore is THE legend of App State football, and Satterfield has followed the legend with flying colors. That is a huge test. If you doubt it, just look at various coaches who followed THE coaching legend, or even The coaching legend #2, at the school.

Second, Satterfield followed a legend and led App State up from 1AA. Doing the pair of tests at the same time is a task that most coaches would find very difficult, even overwhelming. He has made it look easy. Stepping up in division is akin to rebuilding a Loser, because you start in a hole.

Today, I heard something on TOS that reinforced my feeling that Satterfield may be the next Group of 5 HC ready to make the move up and make it big. One of the longtime writers for TOS said that years ago, when everybody knew that Ap St was preparing for life after Jerry Moore, he asked the App AD how he would decided who would get the job. The App AD replied that he would get all the assistants in a room and tell then that if they all could agree on which one should be the next HC, he would be the guy. If they could not all agree on one of them, then he would open the search.

If the AD made his choice that way, it means Satterfield's leadership skills were readily apparent to his assistant coach peers, most of whom were older - very much like Dabo Swinney. A natural leader.
Stoops, Leach, or Venables would be home run hires. I would love to have any one of them. Unfortunately, I don't see any of those guys taking the UNC HC position. Even if they showed interest, we'd have to break the bank to entice them.

Ergo, my enthusiasm for Satterfield. Not only do I think he'd accept the job if offered, his salary would be much more manageable, especially since we're going to be paying Fed into the near future. And your remarks just echo what I've heard about the guy, by all accounts he's the real deal. He's not going to be at App State very long before somebody isn't afraid to take a chance and hire him to lead a big time D1 program. It will be a shame if it isn't us.
 
Of course, I wanted Fedora gone a long time ago. I'm certain that if he returns, we'll pay a bigger price to try to rebuild than we will if we replace him now. I also truly believe that with the right coach, UNC will win the ACC and be in the running for National Championships.

If I were the AD, and I had even a hint that Bob Stoops would return to coaching, I would do whatever I could to get him to spend time in Chapel Hill and study the entire landscape of ACC football.

My 1A would be Mike Leach. He has been HC at the two most isolated, out of the way places in P5 football, and he has won big at both - in two very different parts of the country. Leach at UNC with all it offers that neither Texas Tech nor Washington can ever hope to offer - Leach could make UNC the Clemson of the Coastal.

Each of those coaches would get the automatic offer: if you want it, the job is yours.

The guy I would most want to talk to without giving him an auto offer is Brent Venables. Everything seems arranged for him to be the next Bob Stoops: the top DC under a National Champion HC who transitions very quickly into an excellent HC. But some great coordinators do not have it in them to be excellent HCs, and some who could be excellent HCs need a few years as HC below the P5 level before becoming a P5 HC. If I felt that Venables had the aura of intelligent leadership (as opposed to just football smarts, which often is self-limiting in anything off the practice/playing field), which would feature his laying out the staff he wanted to assemble and how he would pitch each coach, as well as his plan to make UNC football the nemesis to Clemson and FSU, I would make him the offer.

And that gets us to the Group of 5 HCs. More and more, I think Scott Satterfield has the best possibility to do really well at UNC. The first reason is that he has succeeded a legend and done extremely well. Jerry Moore is THE legend of App State football, and Satterfield has followed the legend with flying colors. That is a huge test. If you doubt it, just look at various coaches who followed THE coaching legend, or even The coaching legend #2, at the school.

Second, Satterfield followed a legend and led App State up from 1AA. Doing the pair of tests at the same time is a task that most coaches would find very difficult, even overwhelming. He has made it look easy. Stepping up in division is akin to rebuilding a Loser, because you start in a hole.

Today, I heard something on TOS that reinforced my feeling that Satterfield may be the next Group of 5 HC ready to make the move up and make it big. One of the longtime writers for TOS said that years ago, when everybody knew that Ap St was preparing for life after Jerry Moore, he asked the App AD how he would decided who would get the job. The App AD replied that he would get all the assistants in a room and tell then that if they all could agree on which one should be the next HC, he would be the guy. If they could not all agree on one of them, then he would open the search.

If the AD made his choice that way, it means Satterfield's leadership skills were readily apparent to his assistant coach peers, most of whom were older - very much like Dabo Swinney. A natural leader.

Satterfield looks good, although he he is unproven at the top levels nationally, which is what I think most people here seek. But, if he's that good, would he stay at UNC or would we just be a stepping stone? I'd like to have someone who wants to be hear, though its hard to figure out who that would be. Maybe an older coach who would like a different atmosphere. Jerry Moore became part of the institution at App, embrqced by the entire community, after failing at other places.
 
Until the Coastal really improves, we always have the opportunity to play someone for the ACC CG. If we somehow manage to win that game - maybe we make the playoff. But you have to play a good team or two during the season and you can't lay an egg in the opener. We are in a prime position to make a run for the playoffs - if we make a change.
 
1997 and 2015
I think there's a really good chance we play for the national title in 97 if we beat FSU. They were ranked #2 when we played them. I don't see us making the playoffs in 2015 if we would have beat Clemson. Our schedule was just too weak. We probably would have been ranked somewhere between 5-7. That would have gotten us an invite to a NY6 bowl, which would have been great.
 
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A lot of assumptions. 97 I’m on board with. 2015 not so much. You are assuming we would have made the playoff and then had a shot at winning there. Hell we couldn’t even beat Baylor in the bowl game. We benefited greatly from our schedule and division that year honestly. Still a good team but to say we were a game away is quite a bit of a stretch.
 
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Stoops, Leach, or Venables would be home run hires. I would love to have any one of them. Unfortunately, I don't see any of those guys taking the UNC HC position. Even if they showed interest, we'd have to break the bank to entice them.

Ergo, my enthusiasm for Satterfield. Not only do I think he'd accept the job if offered, his salary would be much more manageable, especially since we're going to be paying Fed into the near future. And your remarks just echo what I've heard about the guy, by all accounts he's the real deal. He's not going to be at App State very long before somebody isn't afraid to take a chance and hire him to lead a big time D1 program. It will be a shame if it isn't us.
Satterfield is going to be a P5 coach, probably in the southeast, before too long.
 
I think there's a really good chance we play for the national title in 97 if we beat FSU. They were ranked #2 when we played them. I don't see us making the playoffs in 2015 if we would have beat Clemson. Our schedule was just too weak. We probably would have been ranked somewhere between 5-7. That would have gotten us an invite to a NY6 bowl, which would have been great.
Not if we had been plastered, as Baylor, with a 3rd team QB, plastered us.

Embarrassing losses on the biggest stages are harmful unless you make sweeping changes, as Dabo did after the Orange Bowl debacle.
 
Satterfield looks good, although he he is unproven at the top levels nationally, which is what I think most people here seek. But, if he's that good, would he stay at UNC or would we just be a stepping stone? I'd like to have someone who wants to be hear, though its hard to figure out who that would be. Maybe an older coach who would like a different atmosphere. Jerry Moore became part of the institution at App, embrqced by the entire community, after failing at other places.
He is from Hillsborough. A guy from Hillsborough, who has loved living his life in NC, who knows he can win the ACC at UNC is not going to be seeking new jobs.
 
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Not if we had been plastered, as Baylor, with a 3rd team QB, plastered us.

Embarrassing losses on the biggest stages are harmful unless you make sweeping changes, as Dabo did after the Orange Bowl debacle.
Getting an invite to a NY6 bowl isn't harmful. You can build on that easier than you can by playing in whatever bowl we played in against Baylor.
 
A lot of assumptions. 97 I’m on board with. 2015 not so much. You are assuming we would have made the playoff and then had a shot at winning there. Hell we couldn’t even beat Baylor in the bowl game. We benefited greatly from our schedule and division that year honestly. Still a good team but to say we were a game away is quite a bit of a stretch.

He said in the running. If you make the playoff then you’re competing for a national championship regardless of the outcome. Would we have gotten crushed in the first round? Probably. But that doesn’t change the fact that we would have been in the running. We just would have probably lost the race.
 
He said in the running. If you make the playoff then you’re competing for a national championship regardless of the outcome. Would we have gotten crushed in the first round? Probably. But that doesn’t change the fact that we would have been in the running. We just would have probably lost the race.

We didn’t even get a NY6 bowl after a close loss to Clemson. I don’t think Beating Clemson would have got us in the playoff. They would have given the spot to whoever finished 2nd in the SEC based solely on our loss to USuck.
 
We didn’t even get a NY6 bowl after a close loss to Clemson. I don’t think Beating Clemson would have got us in the playoff. They would have given the spot to whoever finished 2nd in the SEC based solely on our loss to USuck.
Yep.

If you can't beat the worst SoCar team in a couple of decades, a 3 win team that lost to 1AA Citadel, then you do not deserve to be in the playoffs.
 
We didn’t even get a NY6 bowl after a close loss to Clemson. I don’t think Beating Clemson would have got us in the playoff. They would have given the spot to whoever finished 2nd in the SEC based solely on our loss to USuck.

If we had beaten clemson we likely would have been #4 or #5 IMO. But it’s all speculation at this point, literally no point in debating it.
 
We didn’t even get a NY6 bowl after a close loss to Clemson. I don’t think Beating Clemson would have got us in the playoff. They would have given the spot to whoever finished 2nd in the SEC based solely on our loss to USuck.
It would have came down to us and Ohio St. that year. Certainly gives legs to the conspiracy theorists that the acc made sure Clemson won I.e. the offsides call on the onside kick.
 
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I'm sorry, but anyone who believes we even belonged in the discussion of serious national title contenders is beyond delusional. As much as I would love to believe it, that's just revisionist history.

We were in the playoff discussion regardless of whether we deserved to be there or not. Nobody is saying we deserved it, but analysts were discussing the possibility of us getting the 4 seed if we beat clemson.

And we should have smashed South Carolina which would have guaranteed us a spot if we won the ACCCG. If the play calling isn’t garbage in the red zone we win that game.
 
I'm sorry, but anyone who believes we even belonged in the discussion of serious national title contenders is beyond delusional. As much as I would love to believe it, that's just revisionist history.

We were in the playoff discussion regardless of whether we deserved to be there or not. Nobody is saying we deserved it, but analysts were discussing the possibility of us getting the 4 seed if we beat clemson.

And we should have smashed South Carolina which would have guaranteed us a spot if we won the ACCCG. If the play calling isn’t garbage in the red zone we win that game.
 
He is from Hillsborough. A guy from Hillsborough, who has loved living his life in NC, who knows he can win the ACC at UNC is not going to be seeking new jobs.
It depends on his ambition. If he loves being at UNC enough to turn down more established schools, then I'm all for him (based on what we know so far). But Mack Brown liked living here, too.....We have to know what we want our identity to be and find someone who will buy into creating that atmosphere and staying even when offered more money. Its all about asking the right questions. The administration, based on history, doesn't do that. I'm not sure we are, either, yet, but maybe we are stumbling in that direction. Ex, would Satterfield have a reason to stay at UNC if he is successful and has an opportunity to move up.
 
We were in the playoff discussion regardless of whether we deserved to be there or not. Nobody is saying we deserved it, but analysts were discussing the possibility of us getting the 4 seed if we beat clemson.

And we should have smashed South Carolina which would have guaranteed us a spot if we won the ACCCG. If the play calling isn’t garbage in the red zone we win that game.
Playcalling cost us maybe 1 score. But as much as I love and revere Quise, he killed us that game.
 
Playcalling cost us maybe 1 score. But as much as I love and revere Quise, he killed us that game.

I agree. But you don’t put a QB like quise in that position. We were running the ball down their throats then suddenly shifted to the pass when we got in the red zone. I loved Quise but he isn’t the guy I want making those reads. Not to mention the fact that we kept doing the same thing after the first and second interception...
 
I agree. But you don’t put a QB like quise in that position. We were running the ball down their throats then suddenly shifted to the pass when we got in the red zone. I loved Quise but he isn’t the guy I want making those reads. Not to mention the fact that we kept doing the same thing after the first and second interception...
What are you talking about? Go back and watch the game. Quise just shit the bed.
 
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What are you talking about? Go back and watch the game. Quise just shit the bed.

Sure he shit the bed. Which is why you don’t repeatedly throw the ball in the red zone against a team that can’t stop the run, especially after the first and second time he shit the bed.
 
Sure he shit the bed. Which is why you don’t repeatedly throw the ball in the red zone against a team that can’t stop the run, especially after the first and second time he shit the bed.
Go back and watch the highlights
 
Watch all the lights and keep in mind that we still lost, and lost to Clemsom, and lost to Baylor.

And, Larry Fedora sucks.
 
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I'm sorry, but anyone who believes we even belonged in the discussion of serious national title contenders is beyond delusional. As much as I would love to believe it, that's just revisionist history.


We played two DII schools that year (NC A&T, Delaware) and were not even qualified to participate.
 
IMO, as long as Clemson is clearly a playoff team, they will try their best to get a Coastal challenger ranked in the top 15 to make the CG a bigger draw. Got to take advantage of opportunities
 
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