Quick stuff (dook game)...

[gary-7]

- Of all the cruel ironies. We go into that smelly geek-pit against those cheating, pushing, jersey-grabbing sons-of-bitches and at least get enough of it called to get to the line some, and we turn around and lose the game because we can't make ****ing FTs. Make no mistake, the final margin does not tell the story because if we make a decent pct of our FTs we have the lead late instead of having to foul. I posted it after the last game, we will not go far in March shooting FTs that way. 10/18 and missing front-ends in a game like this? Not gonna get it.

- Speaking of ironies, we missed Hicks more on the defensive end tonight. Having to guard and help away from the basket is still a challenge for Tony, and Isiah's athleticism would have helped a lot.

- Amazingly, they out-rebounded us by 1. They did make a concerted effort to send five to the defensive glass, plus we were small a lot.

- other than the self-inflicted stuff, dook can only beat us one way --- by making 3s, and we still have guys leaving their shooters . So what if they get an occasional drive? That ain't gonna beat us.

- I was disappointed we were too passive pushing tempo in the first half. We attacked more in the second half and took it to the rack. We were also more active on defense. But again, when we actually got calls from attacking the rim we couldn't cash in.

- Big props to Luke and Nate for their offensive contributions and confident play. And they couldn't do anything with Tony when he got the ball inside. On the other hand, Kenny (who looked like he had his mojo back last game) was inert on offense. He has got to look for some offense in addition to the other things he brings.

Finally, yeah, my tone is pretty negative because I can't stand to lose to these jack-asses. On the other hand, objectively we are just better than they are... even with one of our main cogs out. And Theo is back... so while that's a positive thought for the rest of the season, I'm still furious that we let one slip away the way this one did. I mean, let's be honest --- it ain't very often in this series we get enough opportunity at the damned foul line to even make a difference... can't leave those on the floor. #$%^&

 

[Heelicious]

- Of all the cruel ironies. We go into that smelly geek-pit against those cheating, pushing, jersey-grabbing sons-of-bitches and at least get enough of it called to get to the line some, and we turn around and lose the game because we can't make ****ing FTs. Make no mistake, the final margin does not tell the story because if we make a decent pct of our FTs we have the lead late instead of having to foul. I posted it after the last game, we will not go far in March shooting FTs that way. 10/18 and missing front-ends in a game like this? Not gonna get it.

- Speaking of ironies, we missed Hicks more on the defensive end tonight. Having to guard and help away from the basket is still a challenge for Tony, and Isiah's athleticism would have helped a lot.

- Amazingly, they out-rebounded us by 1. They did make a concerted effort to send five to the defensive glass, plus we were small a lot.

- other than the self-inflicted stuff, dook can only beat us one way --- by making 3s, and we still have guys leaving their shooters . So what if they get an occasional drive? That ain't gonna beat us.

- I was disappointed we were too passive pushing tempo in the first half. We attacked more in the second half and took it to the rack. We were also more active on defense. But again, when we actually got calls from attacking the rim we couldn't cash in.

- Big props to Luke and Nate for their offensive contributions and confident play. And they couldn't do anything with Tony when he got the ball inside. On the other hand, Kenny (who looked like he had his mojo back last game) was inert on offense. He has got to look for some offense in addition to the other things he brings.

Finally, yeah, my tone is pretty negative because I can't stand to lose to these jack-asses. On the other hand, objectively we are just better than they are... even with one of our main cogs out. And Theo is back... so while that's a positive thought for the rest of the season, I'm still furious that we let one slip away the way this one did. I mean, let's be honest --- it ain't very often in this series we get enough opportunity at the damned foul line to even make a difference... can't leave those on the floor. #$%^&

Great post, Gary!

I guess I'd qualify my hatred for these dbags by defining it much more tightly / closely, to their constantly bitching King of All Aholes coach, and that whiny little 4 year old immature tantrum throwing psycho brat Grayson Allen. Dude has serious emotional / mental issues. Wouldn't go near him with a 10 foot pole if I was an NBA GM. I don't have any issues with any of their other players beyond Trip. In fact, they are quite short on the usual 4-5 dbag trash talking chippy players who can't get by on their talent / game alone..... I guess Trip fillst the quota for 3-4 other punks they normally suit up in other years....

But their fans in the dump (and generally any pretentious Dbag Dook fans you meet anywhere). Just pathetic losers. The whole schtick is old.... and you are nerdy and ugly and awkward enough without trying to go out of your way to look like some sort of social project reject. Love the concept of fat 30 somethings weighing close to 3 bills with body paint and a jersey that never fit. I guess I find it funny how unaware, tone deaf, oblivious they are to what a laughing stock they are outside of their own little pretend Ivy League school and DSPN lapdogs. How somebody not going to school there, or not from Durham, becomes a fan, or wants to associate with this group of misfits, I will never understand, but sure am glad that group will never include me.

There was one line on ESPN's page about Roy being pissed at one point, and talking to security about some fans doing or saying something to him or his team. Shocker, I know, from this fanbase of class and dignity. It would be funny if something arose against Dook via fans, and Dook had a real coach of integrity, and he forfeited the game, or had fans removed, or the whole lower section removed to prove a point.

Ha ha - funny stuff I know - Rat and integrity and character - I crack myself up.

 

[BlueDevilWildcat]

But their fans in the dump (and generally any pretentious Dbag Dook fans you meet anywhere). Just pathetic losers. The whole schtick is old.... and you are nerdy and ugly and awkward enough without trying to go out of your way to look like some sort of social project reject. Love the concept of fat 30 somethings weighing close to 3 bills with body paint and a jersey that never fit. I guess I find it funny how unaware, tone deaf, oblivious they are to what a laughing stock they are outside of their own little pretend Ivy League school and DSPN lapdogs. How somebody not going to school there, or not from Durham, becomes a fan, or wants to associate with this group of misfits, I will never understand, but sure am glad that group will never include me.

Lol.

 

[UNCPJH81]

Heel: couldn't have said it better myself. It's why I can't stand to watch any game in HIS.

 

[carbonlib23]

so, what's that now? 27-13 ?

 

[shane023]

Spot on Gary about the free throw shooting. It took Carolina not hitting free throws and Duke shooting 50% (and making 13) from 3 to beat us AT Hansbrough Indoor. Really like our chances to beat them at home and possible matchup in the ACC tourney.

 

[HeLooks2MuchLikeDave]

There was one line on ESPN's page about Roy being pissed at one point, and talking to security about some fans doing or saying something to him or his team. Shocker, I know, from this fanbase of class and dignity. It would be funny if something arose against Dook via fans, and Dook had a real coach of integrity, and he forfeited the game, or had fans removed, or the whole lower section removed to prove a point.

Are you really saying that "a real coach of integrity" would have forfeited a game because of hecklers?

 

[Heelicious]

Are you really saying that "a real coach of integrity" would have forfeited a game because of hecklers?

No- I was just kidding / over the top. I also don't ever expect him to hold any ahole members of his ahole nerd glee club fan base accountable, ever, to some base level of decency..... you know, like basically every other college coach would.

 

[acarter0277]

- Of all the cruel ironies. We go into that smelly geek-pit against those cheating, pushing, jersey-grabbing sons-of-bitches and at least get enough of it called to get to the line some, and we turn around and lose the game because we can't make ****ing FTs. Make no mistake, the final margin does not tell the story because if we make a decent pct of our FTs we have the lead late instead of having to foul. I posted it after the last game, we will not go far in March shooting FTs that way. 10/18 and missing front-ends in a game like this? Not gonna get it.

- Speaking of ironies, we missed Hicks more on the defensive end tonight. Having to guard and help away from the basket is still a challenge for Tony, and Isiah's athleticism would have helped a lot.

- Amazingly, they out-rebounded us by 1. They did make a concerted effort to send five to the defensive glass, plus we were small a lot.

- other than the self-inflicted stuff, dook can only beat us one way --- by making 3s, and we still have guys leaving their shooters . So what if they get an occasional drive? That ain't gonna beat us.

- I was disappointed we were too passive pushing tempo in the first half. We attacked more in the second half and took it to the rack. We were also more active on defense. But again, when we actually got calls from attacking the rim we couldn't cash in.

- Big props to Luke and Nate for their offensive contributions and confident play. And they couldn't do anything with Tony when he got the ball inside. On the other hand, Kenny (who looked like he had his mojo back last game) was inert on offense. He has got to look for some offense in addition to the other things he brings.

Finally, yeah, my tone is pretty negative because I can't stand to lose to these jack-asses. On the other hand, objectively we are just better than they are... even with one of our main cogs out. And Theo is back... so while that's a positive thought for the rest of the season, I'm still furious that we let one slip away the way this one did. I mean, let's be honest --- it ain't very often in this series we get enough opportunity at the damned foul line to even make a difference... can't leave those on the floor. #$%^&

Good analysis...
-Was Kenny even in the Gym when we were on Offense???

-How about Theo??? We all know he's a difference maker, but Man. He is just so fun to watch.

-Big Props to Seventh. Played some outstanding minutes in the 1st Half

-It wasn't just the points we were leaving at the line because of the missed FTs, those are momentum killers, especially when Duke takes a missed FT and hits a 3.

-Remember a couple weeks ago when everyone was talking about Kennard/Allen struggling and I said they'd hit everything they'd throw up....Well....

-Silver lining is that if it takes 13 3s to beat you without your starting PF and your PG and C playing like crap, you know you're pretty good. We just have to get healthy and tie up some lose ends. The schedule is not going to get any easier.

 

[DSouthr]

Well, if we can get a break from the dukies cluttering things up this morning with their lack of ability to win with any degree of class maybe we can rationally discuss this game, which is actually what this thread intends to do after each game.

Now this was not our best game, not bad effort for the most part but not the best time for Joel to have an off shooting night and absolutely a hard hit not having Hicks for this one. Few things I didn't like so much, glad Luke and Nate gave us a few points but I didn't love their matchups in this one. At the 4 I felt Theo gave us much more over all, not blaming this on Luke at all but Luke just does not have the athletism to stay with a guy like Tatum. I felt Kenny did a decent job on Kennard but BRob came in and IMO played really well, his length really hampered his assignment, would not have upset me to have seen maybe more of him at the 2 and maybe a little less Nate. Not picking on Nate but his size is so much easier to shoot over, we are a small back court with he and Joel in together and we saw a lot of them together late in this game.

Joel had 2 assists on 5-13 shooting, I can take the shooting if the assists are up or lower assists if the shots are falling but being low on both ends of that is still a concern, an on going concern. I actually felt 7th came in for that extended period in the first half and gave us a boost and was surprised he didn't get more run in the second half.

The big issue, the elephant in the room is 20mins from Nate, 32mins from Joel, meaning as small as our back court gets length wise, vs their guards shooting a combined 22 of 37 from the field and 11 out of 21 treys? You have a team's guards heating you up like that, would you not want more length on them as opposed to have them able to shoot over your shortest back court combination? Granted, they hit some contested shots but those shots would seem more contested with more length on them.

Between Joel and Nate they had a combined 3 assists and made 8 shots in 52 combined minutes of PT, 7th Woods had 4 assists and made 2 shots in 8mins? Joel got to the foul line what 3-4 times, Nate once and produced 3 total assists, means not really driving their pressure a lot and not drawing and dishing for assists, and not shooting well? Where as 7th with 4 assists in 8mins means he was looking for his mates more than our starters were. Theo, more a 4 in this game got 3 assists in 19mins? I am OK with this when the shots are falling but when the opposing back court is lighting you up, when your shots are not falling, when you are not looking for your mates with that extra pass for the assist, Houston we have a problem!

When those things come together you have to change one of those 3 variables and that didn't happen last night, that in game adjustment that you need in a game like this. That one is on Roy if I am being honest, not his best coaching game because those adjustments didn't take place. Hicks out for this game yet Tony only played 14mins, the guy with the most length on our roster got 14mins, scored 8 in those 14mins, pulled down 3 rebounds in those 14mins, luke got 8pts and 2 rebounds in 20mins. Now granted, Tatum is a tuff matchup for Tony, was Luke a better matchup? Roy does not like Meeks and Tony on the floor together, that is pretty clear but with Hicks out for this game, hard for me to understand why Tony only got 14mins and him not be in any foul trouble? Hard for me to understand why putting your least athletic and least length front court guy in Luke on their 6'9" big time front court guy while the longest front court player on your team sits all but 14mins of that game?

 

[Spacegrass]

FT's lost that game primarily

 

[gary-7]

Well, if we can get a break from the dukies cluttering things up this morning with their lack of ability to win with any degree of class maybe we can rationally discuss this game, which is actually what this thread intends to do after each game.

Now this was not our best game, not bad effort for the most part but not the best time for Joel to have an off shooting night and absolutely a hard hit not having Hicks for this one. Few things I didn't like so much, glad Luke and Nate gave us a few points but I didn't love their matchups in this one. At the 4 I felt Theo gave us much more over all, not blaming this on Luke at all but Luke just does not have the athletism to stay with a guy like Tatum. I felt Kenny did a decent job on Kennard but BRob came in and IMO played really well, his length really hampered his assignment, would not have upset me to have seen maybe more of him at the 2 and maybe a little less Nate. Not picking on Nate but his size is so much easier to shoot over, we are a small back court with he and Joel in together and we saw a lot of them together late in this game.

Joel had 2 assists on 5-13 shooting, I can take the shooting if the assists are up or lower assists if the shots are falling but being low on both ends of that is still a concern, an on going concern. I actually felt 7th came in for that extended period in the first half and gave us a boost and was surprised he didn't get more run in the second half.

The big issue, the elephant in the room is 20mins from Nate, 32mins from Joel, meaning as small as our back court gets length wise, vs their guards shooting a combined 22 of 37 from the field and 11 out of 21 treys? You have a team's guards heating you up like that, would you not want more length on them as opposed to have them able to shoot over your shortest back court combination? Granted, they hit some contested shots but those shots would seem more contested with more length on them.

Between Joel and Nate they had a combined 3 assists and made 8 shots in 52 combined minutes of PT, 7th Woods had 4 assists and made 2 shots in 8mins? Joel got to the foul line what 3-4 times, Nate once and produced 3 total assists, means not really driving their pressure a lot and not drawing and dishing for assists, and not shooting well? Where as 7th with 4 assists in 8mins means he was looking for his mates more than our starters were. Theo, more a 4 in this game got 3 assists in 19mins? I am OK with this when the shots are falling but when the opposing back court is lighting you up, when your shots are not falling, when you are not looking for your mates with that extra pass for the assist, Houston we have a problem!

When those things come together you have to change one of those 3 variables and that didn't happen last night, that in game adjustment that you need in a game like this. That one is on Roy if I am being honest, not his best coaching game because those adjustments didn't take place. Hicks out for this game yet Tony only played 14mins, the guy with the most length on our roster got 14mins, scored 8 in those 14mins, pulled down 3 rebounds in those 14mins, luke got 8pts and 2 rebounds in 20mins. Now granted, Tatum is a tuff matchup for Tony, was Luke a better matchup? Roy does not like Meeks and Tony on the floor together, that is pretty clear but with Hicks out for this game, hard for me to understand why Tony only got 14mins and him not be in any foul trouble? Hard for me to understand why putting your least athletic and least length front court guy in Luke on their 6'9" big time front court guy while the longest front court player on your team sits all but 14mins of that game?

In all fairness Dave, Joel actually had 4 Assists, not 2 (more bad keeping of a subjective stat), and let's be honest here, 7th's assist opportunities mostly just appeared (like Tony running free under the basket) --- there wasn't really much creating involved. And no, Tony can't guard a guy like Tatum. As I said, Hicks was missed most on defense. I also think your critique of Roy is off base here as far as that goes, but I would like to have seen more Theo on Tatum.

 

[Spacegrass]

In all fairness Dave, Joel actually had 4 Assists, not 2 (more bad keeping of a subjective stat), and let's be honest here, 7th's assist opportunities mostly just appeared (like Tony running free under the basket) --- there wasn't really much creating involved. And no, Tony can't guard a guy like Tatum. As I said, Hicks was missed most on defense. I also think your critique of Roy is off base here as far as that goes, but I would like to have seen more Theo on Tatum.

Bad first game to throw Theo out there for starter minutes. I think if Theo had been playing previous games the guys could of won last night. But with Theo just getting back and Hicks out I was concerned. Best news last night is nobody aggravated a previous injury or got something new hurt. Got 6 days off now for the home stretch starting with next week in Raleigh.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

FT's lost that game primarily

Exactly. The matchup tweaks and minutes are fine for points of discussion, and certainly Hicks' absence hurt, but just making our free throws at our normal rate, especially a couple of crucial misses on the front ends of 1-and-1s, would've put us in the lead down the stretch rather than trying to catch up. Despite less output than usual from Joel and Kennedy we played well enough to win except at the free throw line.

 

[gary-7]

Good analysis...
-Was Kenny even in the Gym when we were on Offense???

Yeah, I re-watched and he wasn't looking for his shot, and as bad as their lineup is defensively Kenny could've driven pretty much when he wanted.

-It wasn't just the points we were leaving at the line because of the missed FTs, those are momentum killers, especially when Duke takes a missed FT and hits a 3.

Spot on, Coach. You could see the wind leave the sails more with every miss --- PLUS it switched us from advantage to disadvantage in late-game time/score situations.[/QUOTE]

-Silver lining is that if it takes 13 3s to beat you without your starting PF and your PG and C playing like crap, you know you're pretty good. We just have to get healthy and tie up some lose ends. The schedule is not going to get any easier.

I'm assuming you meant 2G there, and in Kennedy's defense he was basically wearing Jefferson or Giles down low --- "draped all over him" as the announcer diplomatically put it. But yes, they had to have pretty much everything go their way to win at their place... and that's why I was saying we're just objectively better than they are, strength vs strength.

This off week will be a crucial time for team-building, adjustments and getting our mojo ready for this late-season gauntlet. This is traditionally the time when Roy excels in doing those things. Let's pray for health.

 

[Spacegrass]

Exactly. The matchup tweaks and minutes are fine for points of discussion, and certainly Hicks' absence hurt, but just making our free throws at our normal rate, especially a couple of crucial misses on the front ends of 1-and-1s, would've put us in the lead down the stretch rather than trying to catch up. Despite less output than usual from Joel and Kennedy we played well enough to win except at the free throw line.

Roy gave off the same vibe in post game presser.

 

[gary-7]

Bad first game to throw Theo out there for starter minutes. I think if Theo had been playing previous games the guys could of won last night. But with Theo just getting back and Hicks out I was concerned. Best news last night is nobody aggravated a previous injury or got something new hurt. Got 6 days off now for the home stretch starting with next week in Raleigh.

Yep, as I said in my response to @acarter0277 this is a very crucial 6 days. Time for Roy to get the guys kicked into March-mode.

 

[DSouthr]

In all fairness Dave, Joel actually had 4 Assists, not 2 (more bad keeping of a subjective stat), and let's be honest here, 7th's assist opportunities mostly just appeared (like Tony running free under the basket) --- there wasn't really much creating involved. And no, Tony can't guard a guy like Tatum. As I said, Hicks was missed most on defense. I also think your critique of Roy is off base here as far as that goes, but I would like to have seen more Theo on Tatum.

gary, no need top down play what 7th did or gloss over the fact Joel did not have a good game. Joel texted out that he didn't have a great game, Roy iun his PC said the same, why is it so hard to acknowledge that? The fact is 7th had 4 clear assists, just because Joel gets the ball to a guy that has to make a solid move after catching the pass does not mean that is an assist. It isn't spin that 7th is looking to pass more than Joel is right now nor is it out of bounds to share that as a concern.

I strongly disagree and we will have to agree to disagree that Luke is a better matchup on Tatum that Tony...

Roy just didn't make adjustments for their lights out shooting guards or Tatum driving to the basket last night, call it what it is man. When Roy has a great game from the side lines, when he makes those adjustments I do not hesitate to praise him for it but when he doesn't, I am going to discuss that to, that is what fairness is. Fairness is not muting the fact that a player has a bad game or a coach that does not show his finest game. Happens to all players and coaches and last night was not one of our finest moments.

 

[gary-7]

gary, no need top down play what 7th did or gloss over the fact Joel did not have a good game. Joel texted out that he didn't have a great game, Roy iun his PC said the same, why is it so hard to acknowledge that? The fact is 7th had 4 clear assists, just because Joel gets the ball to a guy that has to make a solid move after catching the pass does not mean that is an assist. It isn't spin that 7th is looking to pass more than Joel is right now nor is it out of bounds to share that as a concern.

I strongly disagree and we will have to agree to disagree that Luke is a better matchup on Tatum that Tony...

Roy just didn't make adjustments for their lights out shooting guards or Tatum driving to the basket last night, call it what it is man. When Roy has a great game from the side lines, when he makes those adjustments I do not hesitate to praise him for it but when he doesn't, I am going to discuss that to, that is what fairness is. Fairness is not muting the fact that a player has a bad game or a coach that does not show his finest game. Happens to all players and coaches and last night was not one of our finest moments.

My numbers are correct and double-checked them on rewatch. I know what is what. And JB not having a good game is relative --- other than not connecting on his usual percentage he played well, but by his standards, yeah, he was disappointed. And Tony guarding Tatum? That's an absolute no-go. C'mon bro.

 

[DSouthr]

My numbers are correct and double-checked them on rewatch. I know what is what. And JB not having a good game is relative --- other than not connecting on his usual percentage he played well, but by his standards, yeah, he was disappointed. And Tony guarding Tatum? That's an absolute no-go. C'mon bro.

gary, we are not going to agree on either of those my friend, just how it has to be sometimes...

 

[Heelicious]

We say FTs cost us the game, which I guess is technically true, but if you tell me we get outscored at the 3 point line by 27, I'd say we're down 15+ in the last four minutes, instead of basically even.

I know its not going to change, but for the life of me I don't know why the coaches CAN'T / WON'T learn or acknowledge that if you just stay home, never help off guys in the 3 -point perimeter area, even if guys drive and beat us to the rim, it still works out better in the end NO WAY this team beats us shooting twos.

Of the 13 threes Dook made, lets say 6 were wide open. That is being conservative / gracious to our "defense". If in all 6 of those, we guard them close, even if each one of those ends in a two because the guy instead decides to drive - so what? That's a minus 6 point swing for Dook in what was a one possession game under a minute.

And you have to assume if each one of the six unguarded from 3-point land was guarded, they still jack some of those up and probably miss / get zero points, in at least half of those 6 unguarded 3 point shots.

Frustrating.

 

[gary-7]

We say FTs cost us the game, which I guess is technically true, but if you tell me we get outscored at the 3 point line by 27, I'd say we're down 15+ in the last four minutes, instead of basically even.

I know its not going to change, but for the life of me I don't know why the coaches CAN'T / WON'T learn or acknowledge that if you just stay home, never help off guys in the 3 -point perimeter area, even if guys drive and beat us to the rim, it still works out better in the end NO WAY this team beats us shooting twos.

Of the 13 threes Dook made, lets say 6 were wide open. That is being conservative / gracious to our "defense". If in all 6 of those, we guard them close, even if each one of those ends in a two because the guy instead decides to drive - so what? That's a minus 6 point swing for Dook in what was a one possession game under a minute.

And you have to assume if each one of the six unguarded from 3-point land was guarded, they still jack some of those up and probably miss / get zero points, in at least half of those 6 unguarded 3 point shots.

Frustrating.

It is tough when you're drilled to help-and-recover, but yes, that is a valid point. We still win by making FTs, but those open 3s were indeed maddening. Giving up a few extra paint points ain't gonna get ya beat vs dook. It's all about the 3s with them. When their kick-outs aren't being converted, they lose.

 

[plm]

It is tough when you're drilled to help-and-recover, but yes, that is a valid point. We still win by making FTs, but those open 3s were indeed maddening. Giving up a few extra paint points ain't gonna get ya beat vs dook. It's all about the 3s with them. When their kick-outs aren't being converted, they lose.

i think that is the in game adjustments we would all love roy to make. hey start out with what we do but if the shooters are making shots adjust and quit helping on the drives. this idea that guys won't stay hot forever always creates career nights for guards at our expense. its maddening to think how may championships dean/roy would have if we could just keep that one guy from killing us.

 

[Heelicious]

i think that is the in game adjustments we would all love roy to make. hey start out with what we do but if the shooters are making shots adjust and quit helping on the drives. this idea that guys won't stay hot forever always creates career nights for guards at our expense. its maddening to think how may championships dean/roy would have if we could just keep that one guy from killing us.

Right - I know I am oversimplifying what they already know. And I don't know about how many more 'ships we would win, but we have lost plenty of in-season games due to it.

What you're saying above - I'd state as - you revert to following the same pattern as early in the game or as previous games, and end up HOPING guys cool down and start to miss. Hope never works as a strategy. We can hope til the end of time that Allen and Kennard are going to miss wide open 3's in their dump against their #1 only rival.... but that hope is just delusional. Instead, we could be in their grill - somebody, anybody, for all 40 minutes.... and at least one or two games, see how this alternative strategy works.....
because "hope - and get burned" consistently seems to be catastrophically failing strategy.

 

[HeelzLover]

FT's lost that game primarily

It was the LACK OF PERIMETER DEFENSE IMO. Championships are won with D

 

[DSouthr]

Right - I know I am oversimplifying what they already know. And I don't know about how many more 'ships we would win, but we have lost plenty of in-season games due to it.

What you're saying above - I'd state as - you revert to following the same pattern as early in the game or as previous games, and end up HOPING guys cool down and start to miss. Hope never works as a strategy. We can hope til the end of time that Allen and Kennard are going to miss wide open 3's in their dump against their #1 only rival.... but that hope is just delusional. Instead, we could be in their grill - somebody, anybody, for all 40 minutes.... and at least one or two games, see how this alternative strategy works.....
because "hope - and get burned" consistently seems to be catastrophically failing strategy.

I agree, you have to try to keep a guy from getting hot because once he does the size of the basket gets real big for him. Wed saw it vs Ky, we saw it last night and those are not the only examples this season, a guy that gets hot is going to make those open looks. Point is you have to adjust if what you are doing is not working, rather than hope things will change in time. Get up closer on him and make him drive, put more length on him and make it harder for him to shoot over. The thought of leaving a hot shooter a clean look because you want to help on someone else baffles me?

 

[MRUNC]

Great post, Gary!

I guess I'd qualify my hatred for these dbags by defining it much more tightly / closely, to their constantly bitching King of All Aholes coach, and that whiny little 4 year old immature tantrum throwing psycho brat Grayson Allen. Dude has serious emotional / mental issues. Wouldn't go near him with a 10 foot pole if I was an NBA GM. I don't have any issues with any of their other players beyond Trip. In fact, they are quite short on the usual 4-5 dbag trash talking chippy players who can't get by on their talent / game alone..... I guess Trip fillst the quota for 3-4 other punks they normally suit up in other years....

But their fans in the dump (and generally any pretentious Dbag Dook fans you meet anywhere). Just pathetic losers. The whole schtick is old.... and you are nerdy and ugly and awkward enough without trying to go out of your way to look like some sort of social project reject. Love the concept of fat 30 somethings weighing close to 3 bills with body paint and a jersey that never fit. I guess I find it funny how unaware, tone deaf, oblivious they are to what a laughing stock they are outside of their own little pretend Ivy League school and DSPN lapdogs. How somebody not going to school there, or not from Durham, becomes a fan, or wants to associate with this group of misfits, I will never understand, but sure am glad that group will never include me.

There was one line on ESPN's page about Roy being pissed at one point, and talking to security about some fans doing or saying something to him or his team. Shocker, I know, from this fanbase of class and dignity. It would be funny if something arose against Dook via fans, and Dook had a real coach of integrity, and he forfeited the game, or had fans removed, or the whole lower section removed to prove a point.

Ha ha - funny stuff I know - Rat and integrity and character - I crack myself up.

Where was Tony Bradley in the second half?

 

[GoNtheDistance]

more Theo, very little to no Kenny Williams. That recipe will bode well for us down the stretch with Pinson healthy. Kenny is and has been an empty jersey in 75% of the games this year. The fact that he doesn't even look for a shot or even to present a threat off the dribble compounds any challenges we see offensively (berry not being able to drive, Jackson not getting enough space on the edge, our bigs getting doubled on entry passes....EVERY single one of those is made EASY when you have a "shooting" guard who can't shoot, won't shoot, and can't create anything, even space offensively)

 

[Spacegrass]

It was the LACK OF PERIMETER DEFENSE IMO. Championships are won with D

That wasn't a title game.

 

[dadika13]

- On the other hand, objectively we are just better than they are... even with one of our main cogs out. And Theo is back... so while that's a positive thought for the rest of the season

This is what I'm taking out of this game. We are simply better.

Losing a very tight game where we couldn't hit a FT, our PG played like garbage, Hicks out, on their court is not a negative.

I think we beat them pretty easily March 4th.