There is no conflict at all between those two. Brady Manek’s diatribe several weeks back did much to clear up some issues that no longer exist. I had been hoping for a team only meeting, but that wasn’t necessary to put the train back on the track.
Quick stuff (Furman game)...
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I agree……guys are just talented…..like the old saying goes….”can’t stop them just hope to contain them” will apply to some players.
But This was always going to be a tough team to defend….a bunch of small quick players. Leaky had to damn near bend over to the floor to get down low enough to guard his man.
Agree. There were way more people bashing Kraystekski for not using a bench and applauding Roy for developing his. I’ve always liked Roy’s development of his bench, although sometimes I didn’t agree with his sub patterns of taking a hot hand out of the game. I’d much rather see Roy’s method than a consistent 7-8 man rotation.
Don’t think there’s any beef……these players today are too cool to smile…..sometimes us fans think because a player is not doing a lot of smiling they are unhappy with each other or the team. Hell J Berry didn’t smile a lot.
That's true...., however Ants TO's can be attributed to commission, while Walton's are a result of omission. Big difference between those 2.
Maybe someone steps up and earns some time to cut into RJ & Love, but barring an injury, or individual foul trouble games, I doubt it. I said early on, it seems RJ & Love will be joined at the hip as dual creators.
Walton was a necessity last year with our putrid shooting, that is not the makeup of the roster this year, and his subpar areas have made Harris leapfrog him at the moment. Dunn will have to really show out in practice to get any minutes, 'cause I see Hubert as supporting them and their development, but also clearly saying these two in front of you are far and away better and we are going to ride them hard.
Walton was a necessity last year with our putrid shooting, that is not the makeup of the roster this year, and his subpar areas have made Harris leapfrog him at the moment. Dunn will have to really show out in practice to get any minutes, 'cause I see Hubert as supporting them and their development, but also clearly saying these two in front of you are far and away better and we are going to ride them hard.
Re-watched this game yesterday, needed to before I commented on the game, wanted to see more off ball stuff before I spoke. Right off the jump, ANYTIME your team goes against a team that starts 5 seniors, it is likely to be a hard night. Mix in that team being able to hit you with 5 guys that can all nail treys on the court together and any team will have their hands full. In some ways this may have been our best outing, Furman hit some hard shots, some maybe not as many hard in that first half as the second but most were to some degree challenged. Make no mistake, that is a darn good Furman team.
I watched Walton pretty closely while he was in both when the ball got to him as well as off the ball movements and defensively. I am going to have to agree with most of 75 and gary's take on this. What was painfully clear was that he just really looks like he is in slow motion much of the time, there was a glaring lack of quick sharp movements, struck me personally as a bit of going thru the motions, as opposed to flat out effort that I would expect to see from a kid that has lost his starting role and watches his PT dwindle with each game. And OMG, the way the tone of this team changes when Kerwin goes out and Ant comes in and especially if Leaky is in with Ant, watch Ant work on the defensive end OFF THE BALL! This from a kid that has had knee surgery on BOTH knees! I see exactly why his PT is increasing and Kerwin is dropping PT, Ant is playing with that sense of EMERGENCY and he infects others on the court to play that way.
Again, as for this Hubert playing a tighter rotation than Roy did this time of the season. Just because Hubert may be doing things differently than Roy does not make Hubert wrong or Roy wrong by their methods any more than it made Roy wrong by not doing everything the way Dean did. I would like to see more guys get some time but I do not want it to come at the cost of winning a game nor do I want it to come at the cost of Hubert's ability to develop his core players in to playing the type of game Hubert wants. There is a path to increased PT for all these guys but that path is first earned in practice, when the time comes for you to check in to a game you play like you were taught in practice. That is exactly what Ant has done, appears Dunn is beginning to show that as well.
So what we are watching is Hubert focused first on getting his core guys to play with the needed mindset and challenged his bench to earn it first in practice and then in the limited moments they got in games. We have seen some of what was his core guys fall back and we have seen some from that bench step up. Looks like Hubert is going to slowly increase his rotations as the season progresses where Roy slowly tapered his bench down. This team is getting a LOT better game by game, not sure I could say that this time of the season last couple years.
I wanted to watch Manek a bit closer, he had a MUCH MUCH better game vs Furman than he did against Elon (a game I frankly felt he was pretty poor in) but vs Furman I don't recall him taking a quick bad shot where he was guarded hard, for example like he did 3 possessions in a row vs Elon. He played more inside then back out vs Furman and he played really hard. He tends to want to play from outside in and the outside should not be his primary spot, he is a streak shooter that needs to see the ball go in before he starts pumping up treys.
Caleb is really starting to get it, he is now at times driving think draw and dish, he is doing much better job of being able to see his options and pick his spots. RJ, little slower to come to that so far but Rome took a while to build. Still, RJ plays hard, does not seem to care about his body at all and while I would prefer he not drive in to the teeth of big men defenders, he is drawing a lot of fouls and he is a very good free throw guy, as is Caleb.
Bacot, teams that can match his size with depth will cause him problem, like Perdue was able to but the kid does exploit a size advantage when he has it, not just a size advantage but his strength as well. He took over this game in a nice stretch in the second half and all the sudden we are breaking primary and secondary, and stretching a lead on a really good team.
Garcia, had his shot rolling in the first half and we kept feeding him and that was good. But I really want this kid to realize how effective he could be as a trailer on the secondary break with that ability to pull up and splash or drive it. But to do that he has to consistently run hard within his lanes, when he does good things happen. The kid IMO, really needs to work on his physical strength, he still gets moved around more than he should. From what I see right now, Garcia does not look like a guy that should enter the next draft, I think so far, he should come back and work on getting physically stronger in the next off season and maybe a couple big man in the paint finishing moves. I do love a big man that can go to the foul line and it surprises me when he misses a free throw and I expect Garcia to make all of those.
Finally, I see several using the argument that if Roy does not expand the PT for his bench with a deeper rotation that we may lose some of that bench to the portal. Yep, that can sure happen, we for sure can and way things are now days likely will see a player or 2 transfer for more PT. But Hubert told us, Hubert told his team, your PT is earned, it is not given. He told them exactly how to earn their PT and it is up to the player to earn his court time or in some cases earn it back. What this team has needed is guys willing to earn it, it is my very strong opinion that last season, some guys got a lot of PT that didn't earn it as much as they would have to now.
This team played as well as it has played all season vs Furman, IMO in the discussion for best we have played all around, limited a team that was scoring like 83 a game to the low 60s, that played a style and level of experience that typically is hard for any team to deal with. However, based on what I think this team can become to how they played Furman, I still give them a B grade but it is beginning to trend toward that B+ level.
I watched Walton pretty closely while he was in both when the ball got to him as well as off the ball movements and defensively. I am going to have to agree with most of 75 and gary's take on this. What was painfully clear was that he just really looks like he is in slow motion much of the time, there was a glaring lack of quick sharp movements, struck me personally as a bit of going thru the motions, as opposed to flat out effort that I would expect to see from a kid that has lost his starting role and watches his PT dwindle with each game. And OMG, the way the tone of this team changes when Kerwin goes out and Ant comes in and especially if Leaky is in with Ant, watch Ant work on the defensive end OFF THE BALL! This from a kid that has had knee surgery on BOTH knees! I see exactly why his PT is increasing and Kerwin is dropping PT, Ant is playing with that sense of EMERGENCY and he infects others on the court to play that way.
Again, as for this Hubert playing a tighter rotation than Roy did this time of the season. Just because Hubert may be doing things differently than Roy does not make Hubert wrong or Roy wrong by their methods any more than it made Roy wrong by not doing everything the way Dean did. I would like to see more guys get some time but I do not want it to come at the cost of winning a game nor do I want it to come at the cost of Hubert's ability to develop his core players in to playing the type of game Hubert wants. There is a path to increased PT for all these guys but that path is first earned in practice, when the time comes for you to check in to a game you play like you were taught in practice. That is exactly what Ant has done, appears Dunn is beginning to show that as well.
So what we are watching is Hubert focused first on getting his core guys to play with the needed mindset and challenged his bench to earn it first in practice and then in the limited moments they got in games. We have seen some of what was his core guys fall back and we have seen some from that bench step up. Looks like Hubert is going to slowly increase his rotations as the season progresses where Roy slowly tapered his bench down. This team is getting a LOT better game by game, not sure I could say that this time of the season last couple years.
I wanted to watch Manek a bit closer, he had a MUCH MUCH better game vs Furman than he did against Elon (a game I frankly felt he was pretty poor in) but vs Furman I don't recall him taking a quick bad shot where he was guarded hard, for example like he did 3 possessions in a row vs Elon. He played more inside then back out vs Furman and he played really hard. He tends to want to play from outside in and the outside should not be his primary spot, he is a streak shooter that needs to see the ball go in before he starts pumping up treys.
Caleb is really starting to get it, he is now at times driving think draw and dish, he is doing much better job of being able to see his options and pick his spots. RJ, little slower to come to that so far but Rome took a while to build. Still, RJ plays hard, does not seem to care about his body at all and while I would prefer he not drive in to the teeth of big men defenders, he is drawing a lot of fouls and he is a very good free throw guy, as is Caleb.
Bacot, teams that can match his size with depth will cause him problem, like Perdue was able to but the kid does exploit a size advantage when he has it, not just a size advantage but his strength as well. He took over this game in a nice stretch in the second half and all the sudden we are breaking primary and secondary, and stretching a lead on a really good team.
Garcia, had his shot rolling in the first half and we kept feeding him and that was good. But I really want this kid to realize how effective he could be as a trailer on the secondary break with that ability to pull up and splash or drive it. But to do that he has to consistently run hard within his lanes, when he does good things happen. The kid IMO, really needs to work on his physical strength, he still gets moved around more than he should. From what I see right now, Garcia does not look like a guy that should enter the next draft, I think so far, he should come back and work on getting physically stronger in the next off season and maybe a couple big man in the paint finishing moves. I do love a big man that can go to the foul line and it surprises me when he misses a free throw and I expect Garcia to make all of those.
Finally, I see several using the argument that if Roy does not expand the PT for his bench with a deeper rotation that we may lose some of that bench to the portal. Yep, that can sure happen, we for sure can and way things are now days likely will see a player or 2 transfer for more PT. But Hubert told us, Hubert told his team, your PT is earned, it is not given. He told them exactly how to earn their PT and it is up to the player to earn his court time or in some cases earn it back. What this team has needed is guys willing to earn it, it is my very strong opinion that last season, some guys got a lot of PT that didn't earn it as much as they would have to now.
This team played as well as it has played all season vs Furman, IMO in the discussion for best we have played all around, limited a team that was scoring like 83 a game to the low 60s, that played a style and level of experience that typically is hard for any team to deal with. However, based on what I think this team can become to how they played Furman, I still give them a B grade but it is beginning to trend toward that B+ level.
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