Quick stuff (Louisville game)...
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Does hubcap have a mental problem .. ??? Obvious answer is yes. Officiating really was bad but our players have absolutely no direction. Wonder if Gary will defend hubcap again in his "analysis".
i think that’s what infuriates me the most. hubcaps shows no direction as a coach and our team reflects that. his press conferences are the equivalent of a middle school coach answering questions and answering everything with cliche coach speak. no changes. no adjustments. just pure foolishness.
Elliot Cadeau is an issue. I think Hubert adjusted and got the game back head up. No front line, gonna be tough. RJ and IJ give a chance. I' m starting to see EC as a problem with this roster.
Pretty glaring today in the two best runs we had with him on the bench. I don’t get it though. He has to hit something to keep defenders honest. RJ couldn’t hit once again but at least people had to guard him, and he found other ways to contribute. Ugh
The weird thing with this team is most of the time when you lose a starter to injury you have a different look, something is noticeable that is missing. But not this team we are not different we have won one game with out Seth and lost a game without Seth and we still have the same issues. Our win looked like all our other wins and our loss was just like all our other losses.
Honestly, I feel like the assist coaches have mailed it in also. I was watching the bench alot tonight and they almost give off a pass on this vibe.
There was one time tonight after a timeout we tried to run a set, they ran Jackson off of about 6 screens on the baseline passed him the ball 2 times and we ended up with Powell taking a contested jumper from 18' as the shot clock ran out, and no one on the bench seemed to even care that they had ****ed up 40 ways from Sunday what was just drew up in the huddle, and it was obvious that it was a set play.
Honestly, I feel like the assist coaches have mailed it in also. I was watching the bench alot tonight and they almost give off a pass on this vibe.
There was one time tonight after a timeout we tried to run a set, they ran Jackson off of about 6 screens on the baseline passed him the ball 2 times and we ended up with Powell taking a contested jumper from 18' as the shot clock ran out, and no one on the bench seemed to even care that they had ****ed up 40 ways from Sunday what was just drew up in the huddle, and it was obvious that it was a set play.
I think it is having threats to score. We have none on the frontline. Having a zero threat with the ball just handcuffs the perimeter scorers more. Problem is Ian and RJ are the only options to score and they are redundant in how they do. RJ is undersized and they can just shadow him or jump him when with the ball. EC cannot be a wave off dee option.
He has enormous talent, but I believe he’s been totally mis-managed in the last year and a half. Would not be surprised to see him portal bound…. And, if I was any of the other scholarship players I’d also be thinking about it.
If he can get a school to give him more than he is getting at UNC he should do it…His days of getting paid to play basketball are numbered…
I'll just follow up with "I'll be shocked if Cadeau is a Tar Heel next year".
At least this thread isn’t sugar coated with bullshit like Gary’s. I was the first to tell him EC was playing like shit and he jumped down my throat! Cat might have his tongue now
Not only is EC bad but he's turned into a cry baby I noticed it in Maui, very spoiled like.
When Seth gets back EC should go to the bench and Ian should start…
The problem is the fact that we need EC and RJ playing at their best in order to do something special this year. The other problem is I think that ship has sailed. As much as I hate losing, you know those guys hate it more. We need all hands on deck with this limited team.
If the plan is for one player to touch the ball per possession I agree. If they intend to run an offense a PG is important and there is only one on the roster. How can a pass first PG succeed in a stand still “offense”?
I wouldn't say Cadeau is an "enormous talent." I think he's talented, but we have to move past that he's special in any way. He's a gifted passer but he's small, can't shoot, and can't score from any level. He misses layups, he has absolutely 0 floater game right now (needed if you're small), and he takes himself out of games by committing dumb fouls.
He's a developing player and that's fine. I don't know how mis-managed he is. He just isn't a good fit on this team because he doesn't have 4 NBA level players around him like Kendall Marshall had.
It seems like fans really romanticize about Ed Cota and Kendall Marshall like pass first PGs. But Cota and Marshall played the majority of their careers for some of the most talented UNC rosters over the last 30 years or so. This isn't one of them.
the lack of development of ec into anything resembling what was advertised is one of the big factors in unc sucking right now. 5 star my asssss. Hes no better right now than when he stepped on campus. You could argue he’s worse. I hate it for him I really do. Dude has prob done irreparable harm to his career coming here.
I want Wash strictly at the 4. Anything else is playing him out of position. His strength is at the 4. HD do what you want at the 5. It's already a Sh Show.. Might as well give Brown 5-6 minutes a game to start developing him. Play him with Wash at the 4. What do we have to lose at this point.
I don't believe EC is the issue. Easy to make the PG the issue when nobody else is showing up except a freshman named Ian. ACC POY not showing up. No post presence. Offensive scheme and sets are confusing. Rotation is confusing. If anything, I think EC is guilty of trying to force things in a horrible, stagnant offense. RJ is guilty of the same.
I tend to agree and add that it’s a little from everyone not panning out. EC, RJ, and lack of bigs. For once in a long time I think our freshman are performing as needed or maybe a little better lol
So our PG who can’t shoot makes lazy passes commits silly fouls cries all the time is not a issue…
Cadeau needs to play around 4 really good players to maximize his strengths. Kendall Marshall had 4 NBA players starting around him. Easier to be a pass-first PG with that kind of talent. He also needs legitimate shot blockers because he and RJ are small guards. Kendall had 1 elite shot blocker and another legitimate 7 footer.
If Cadeau were as good as advertised though, this would be a better team. Part of the issues with Cadeau were unrealistic expectation from fans. Then Hubert said he was going to be "unrecognizable" this season. In reality, Cadeau is like most sophomore players. He's better in some areas, he's struggling in others, and being consistently mentally present on every play and consistently making good decisions are a work in progress. Sounds like a normal sophomore talented player.
But for this team, it's the wrong kind of fit if you wanted to get the most out of Cadeau. A Coby White-type scoring first, but can still play PG (unlike RJ) is probably better for this team.
Does he though? I dont mean that as an ass but genuine question. From what I seen, he cant shoot, he cant really guard, hes undersized. He turns the ball over a lot. Yes he can make some good passes and is decent at finishing at the rim, but giving the amount of hype this kid came in with. I just dont see it
Agreed, not the issue, but as I said an issue. There are many. He has struggled in a lot of areas this year, and that jump shot remains a glaring weakness from last year.
Saying A player is the problem with this team is lazy. No one has been consistent. Returning players have regressed (except Trimble) and new comers have not contributed at the level expected (except Jackson the last few weeks). The portal players have been average or bad with an occasional solid game from someone.
I have pretty much lost confidence in the staff. In the last four years I have seen UNC blown out more times than in the previous 20 years and it seems they lose 70% of the games that come down to crunch time and are 50/50. I cannot count how many times a Louisville player got by the first defender, was picked up by a post defender only to throw up a lob for an easy basket because there was no defensive rotation or others were so far out of position they were helpless.
I think we find out next season if Davis loves the program as much as claims. Pretty sure there is mass exodus and the new talent will again be mediocre.
I have pretty much lost confidence in the staff. In the last four years I have seen UNC blown out more times than in the previous 20 years and it seems they lose 70% of the games that come down to crunch time and are 50/50. I cannot count how many times a Louisville player got by the first defender, was picked up by a post defender only to throw up a lob for an easy basket because there was no defensive rotation or others were so far out of position they were helpless.
I think we find out next season if Davis loves the program as much as claims. Pretty sure there is mass exodus and the new talent will again be mediocre.
we can argue about the reason why these 5 stars aren’t developing here. some will say coaching, others will say overhyped. there’s probably truth on both sides. that being said, it’s hard to argue against the fact that most all these marquee recruits have regressed or hurt their stock by coming here under Hubert. that says a lot about Hubert. he needs to go. we have got to right the ship and get the narrative moving back in the right direction.
For a second I thought you were talking about RJ .. my bad. EC was a highly sought after recruit as a pg. Problem is there has to be a consistent, WELL COACHED, offensive scheme along with a defense that can give the pg a chance to use his skill in a more open court for him to realize his potential. You could probably put Paige, Butter, Berry or Phil Ford himself on this team as the pg and they would totally suck because a pg is only as good as the team that surrounds them and the coaching scheme they are asked to adapt to. EC as a pg likely handles the ball less than RJ and consistently gets less minutes and at the worst times. Great pg's thrive off of offensive movement not this 5 out ish hubcap does. Hubcap is delusional. He f'd up and never got a true big even though he recruited Wash as a 4 outside in player .. which is where he should be, but not as a spectator in a fng corner waiting for a rare RJ kick out. Cap and Drake will be/are really good players but they have the pro game where they can create and do the 1-1 play and that really doesn't need a lot of pg help but they need someone to set them up and they don't get that with RJ dribbling the perimeter getting in their way. This entire chit show is on hubcap and his staff. With this groups lack of effort, cohesiveness and attitude the only place you need to look as at the nice guy pacing the sideline or mumbling through the pressers because the buck stops there!
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I agree about coach. He’s got to own up to some of the problems for sure but you do realize RJ has the best assist to turnover ratio on the team. He over dribbles at times but he’s a willing passer when people are open. I think he needs to pass more without a doubt But, you use RJ to combat against ECs shortcomings. You did watch the game last night so I know you literally watched us fight back two times with EC on the bench. Both times he went back in, we automatically regressed. I don’t like all of hds coaching but he’s not a complete idiot to see who’s doing well and who sucks it up. RJ with Ian works. You don’t have to guard EC at all outside the paint therefore, hey let’s make it harder on others, coaches say, and they do.
Btw put Paige or Berry out there and everyone automatically gets better, because they need to be guarded. Although I doubt our bigs take too much advantage of it. That’s the whole problem imo and it leads to others being exposed as well.
I said this last season before it began, I wanted Ingram at the 3 and JWash at the 4, I was willing to see if Jalen could play the 5 but to me he just is that stretch 4 that has the length to get his shot off and not be hurried by a defender flying out at him. Yet up top today, I think you can count the number of minutes Jalen has been in as a 4 on 1 hand and all of those minutes came last season.
Jalen may look like a center getting off the bus but that is where the similarity ends, he isn't a 5. RJ, may look like a PG getting off the bus, he is a 2 guard. I agree, Cadeau is the only real PG we have now but should he start right now? I am really on the fence with that question because the next option is the guy I hate at the point, because our tempo always slows with RJ at the point and it sticks in his hands. Cadeau attacks north south, RJ swings east west. At times I wonder if we would not be better off to bench BOTH RJ and Cadeau and running Seth at the point and Jack at the 2.
Not saying this to be funny, I am dead serious, Cadeau really should work with a sports psychologist, he has to get out of his own head, JWit could use a few sessions as well, as could Jalen and Tyson. These 4 are playing with a degree of confidence loss that is just noticeable in their play.
Always a concern when you move up in level of play. Tougher to have confidence when getting outplayed consistently. The old which came first the chicken or the egg.
Legit question that deserves answer.
1 thing that is not talked about but has stuck in my head ever since hearing Hubert say it on a post game. He was asked, what has the staff Cadeau done in the off season to improve his jump shooting? The question of course was inspired by the glaring weakness as a shooter he had his first season. The queation was intended to have Hubert share what the staff did, did they tweek his shooting motion, Hubert had been telling us that his shooting was strongly improved, I believe his exact quate was "Elliott is hitting shots from every where, fans will be surprised" (apoligies if that is not the direct quote but that is the meat of what was asked). Hubert's answer was to me shocking, his answer was they did NOTHING, no tweek of his stroke, no instruction, just put up those same shots in the same way because they are going in now? Do they look like they are going in now?
Next, Why do we position Cadeau as the kick out guy, the guy out front waiting for the pass to take the shot? Shouldn't he be the guy making the pass back out? Give Cadeau the ball and have him drive, I assure you defenders will flock to him and he wil not be taking treys.
His freshman season, Cadeau showed a real lack of mental maturity, meaning he would make a freshman mistake and that mistake would effect him for several minutes. For example, a bad foul tended to lead to another mistake very quickly. A dispute of a call by a ref would tank his game for multiple minutes. He just couldn't let it go and play on, that has not improved enough this season.
Bub, what you tag as lazy I believe is not lazy but more confusion, players just not sure what they should do, which comes back to coaching. I see regression and I immediately think confusion, players just not confident in what to do and all the sudden failure begets failure. The talent evaluation from this staff, which is where you always have to start when teaching your approach on either end of the court, our staff's talent evals is as bad as I have ever seen, not just from a UNC team, I mean for any team.
Give you an analogy, if I have a big man that is really good with a jump hook with his right hand but can't make them with his left hand, I am NOT going to have him taking left handed jump hooks in a game. Jalen showed last season he can hit those mid range and out to trey jumpers but wilted deep in the paint, to easy moved out of position. How many face the basket jump shots has Jalen even taken since we went to the islands, I recall exactly 1 and he even looked to pass that before putting the shot up that went in.
But at the same time I see Hubert screaming from the side lines for Tyson to take a deep corner trey while a hand is in his face?
Jalen needs to be assertive in my opinion. He is extremely weak with the ball, and passive with or without the rock. My question is did his confidence wane from his struggles, or is it as you suggest from him feeling out of place/misused. In any event he is playing soft and scared quite often in my opinion in all situations.
