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...and once again, wow, what a defensive effort.

- I'm gonna start there. Defense. Some on here didn't seem to appreciate the defensive outing against UVA, well... whatever. Tonight we were helping, challenging and recovering. There was a good reason they were missing those 3s early. I'm just gonna say it: Anyone who doesn't appreciate our defensive performance tonight should think twice before posting on a basketball board. So there's that...

- Speaking of help, when Nate was guarding Mitchell, Louisville followed the scouting reports and ran isolations, driving right at him. It worked a couple of times, but we adjusted and did a nice job of helping (until we were just letting him go at the end) and shut that down in crunch time.

- Stilman White = Ace-in-the-Hole

- 24 points on our Secondary Break, which is impressive considering we blew 8 transition opportunities.

- The zebras? Well, we've actually gotten a few decent games from the members of that particular crew, although I was wondering if they'd totally swallowed their whistles (unless of course it was Hicks) in the first half. To say it was a "loose" whistle was an understatement, which normally favors a team like Louisville, but hey, at least it was called evenly enough... and the Cards helped us out by apparently feeling guilty at the line (4/13). We were just ok at the line (21/29) with the number of FTs inflated by their late intentional fouling, but at least we cracked 70% for a change.

- To say Louisville is "physical" is like saying a skunk smells, and I emphasized this week how vital it is to finish thru contact ---and boy howdy, there was a lotta contact --- and we didn't do the best job at that. Tony in particular struggled with it --- and I call those freshman moments because next season as he fills out and gets stronger he'll be completing those tough buckets.

- Speaking of physical, #10 for Louisville? Good grief. On one sequence in the first half --- on their offensive end, no less --- he committed easily 4 uncalled fouls. Dude looked like a broken windmill running amok. He fouled people in front of him, beside him and behind him. Ond of my buddies started laughing and said "that guy could've fouled out in one possession".

- one of the few negatives was our propensity for self-inflicted bad possessions. We had several in the first half, and when it looked like we had settled in we had a bad stretch in the second half of several empty possessions that allowed them back into the game, and later when we were on the verge of running them outta the gym, we went brain-dead again a couple of times. And we missed several wing post entries and/or waited too long and then telegraphed.

- Speaking of which, there's an old mantra "Play fast but don't play in a hurry". When we obeyed that, we were hard to deal with. A while back Justin went thru a spell of trying to do too much. I'm told that was addressed in practice and Buckets has since relaxed, let the game come to him more, and has thus been on a tear since. Tonight there were spells when JJ was jazzed up and forced a couple of shots and passes --- one caused a run-out and anothere a fast break --- but you could see him gather himself after a blow on the bench and he was back to his deadly self. Another 20+ pt game for Buckets, and scored in a variety of ways!

- Theo also came out of the gate in a manic state and had some bad TOs, but he settled in as well and contibuted a nice 13 and 6. Tell ya what --- Theo's stroke looks so much better than last season.

- JB had a couple of 3 balls go in and out on him, but dog showed a full offensive arsenal with some tough-ass finishes on drives thru contact and over the trees.

- Once again, howz about big Kennedy Meeks? Dude was damned good on both ends. Double-Double 14 and 10 helped like a champ on D, but was just a hoss inside. Often with Louisville's athletic Bigs hanging on him, Kennedy used that big ol' behind and cleaned the glass!

- Speaking of boards, doubling up a bunch like Louisville on the Offensive Glass (16-8) is damned impressive.

- Finally, speaking of defense --- and we were watching that part very closely and critiquing it tonight --- my dog Joel Berry had as good a defensive outing as I have ever seen from a Carolina PG, and trust me, I don't say that lightly. I'm going to go back and rewatch, but in real time JB was a walking clinic.

So... dook goes down on a heart-breaker (awww), Nova goes down, and we throttle Michael Corleone and his bully boys. Don't get no better'n that!...:cool:
 
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...and once again, wow, what a defensive effort.

- I'm gonna start there. Defense. Some on here didn't seem to appreciate the defensive outing against UVA, well... whatever. Tonight we were helping, challenging and recovering. There was a good reason they were missing those 3s early. I'm just gonna say it: Anyone who doesn't appreciate our defensive performance tonight should think twice before posting on a basketball board. So there's that...
Defense and rebounding win championships. Looks like we're getting our defensive chops back at the right time. When you out rebound a team like Louisville by 13 and double them up on the offensive boards, you can shoot 37% and still win by double digits. Impressive.

- one of the few negatives was our propensity for self-inflicted bad possessions. We had several in the first half, and when it looked like we had settled in we had a bad stretch in the second half of several empty possessions that allowed them back into the game, and later when we were on the verge of running them outta the gym, we went brain-dead again a couple of times. And we missed several wing post entries and/or waited too long and then telegraphed.
Eliminate these empty possessions when we either have an unforced TO or take a bad shot(equivalent to a TO), and we go to another level.
- Theo also came out of the gate in a manic state and had some bad TOs, but he settled in as well and contibuted a nice 13 and 6. Tell ya what --- Theo's stroke looks so much better than last season.
He's so key for us, especially with Kenny gone for the season. I think he's up to the task.
- Once again, howz about big Kennedy Meeks? Dude was damned good on both ends. Double-Double 14 and 10 helped like a champ on D, but was just a hoss inside. Often with Louisville's athletic Bigs hanging on him, Kennedy used that big ol' behind and cleaned the glass!
Where would we be without our roock in the middle. The enigma has been solved.
So... dook goes down on a heart-breaker (awww), Nova goes down, and we throttle Michael Corleone and his bully boys. Don't get no better'n that!...:cool:
Amen!
 
Only thing that bothers me is guys getting around Berry easily sometimes and it seems it always = a foul for Hicks.

Meeks was a MAN in the post! We get some meat/muscle on Tony and he will be a very good replacement.
 
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- The zebras? Well, we've actually gotten a few decent games from the members of that particular crew, although I was wondering if they'd totally swallowed their whistles (unless of course it was Hicks) in the first half. To say it was a "loose" whistle was an understatement, which normally favors a team like Louisville, but hey, at least it was called evenly enough... and the Cards helped us out by apparently feeling guilty at the line (4/13). We were just ok at the line (21/29) with the number of FTs inflated by their late intentional fouling, but at least we cracked 70% for a change.
Highlight of the announcing last night was when Bilas said something like:

"They called a foul. It will be on Hicks because he was within 20 feet of it."

It ended up being on Meeks, but the comment cracked me up.
 
Only thing that bothers me is guys getting around Berry easily sometimes and it seems it always = a foul for Hicks.
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...except no one is getting around him. He's funnelling sideline/baseline as taught. In fact, as far as Hicks, that didn't happen. Now, Jackson did hang Hicks out to dry once on a back-door that resulted in a foul, but not Joel. You may be referring to one set play Pitino called where Louisville went high Double-stack to create a switch for their PG (probably because he wasn't getting penetration any other way) and thus Meeks had him, and he attempted a drive-dish off the mismatch that resulted in a Hicks foul.
 
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Glad to see Stilman get some "real" minutes (as in not mop up minutes). He can handle them just fine. He's quick, has a good handle and, as Bilas said, he doesn't make many mistakes.

Not saying he should play instead of someone else, but he has earned his PT.
I certainly feel comfortable when Roy puts him in the game. He is so poised.
 
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As this season (ACC slate of games) got under way, it looked top me like there were going to be 2 ACC teams that would be real matchup problems for us due to their length, one more if they could get their injury situation squared away (duke). But the 2 that bothered me were FSU and Lville. Was personally glad we got both at home but that length both teams hit you with goes directly to where we can be vulnerable.

FSU has a couple fatal flaws, they do not get consistent solid back court play and even thou they are long they are not a great defensive team night in night out. IMO they are not well coached, have mentioned that many times. But Lville is IMO a better coached version of FSU and they are a tuff physical and deep bunch that typically gets much better back court play than FSU. Mitchel has been making a good case for All ACC, their back court starters shoot treys going in to last night, at around a 40% clip and their PG was averaging 4 assists a game. And Pitino didn't get to the HOF because he can't coach!

ya knew going in this was going to be a war but I don't know if you could have given me enough odds to bet we would out rebound them on BOTH ends and I know you couldn't if I knew Hicks was going to be a non-factor and spend most of the game on the bench. But that is exactly what we did, it is a bit head scratching if I am being honest. If you would have told me we would win this game by double digits I would not have taken that bet either, I would know you were nutzs if I knew Justin was going to shoot less than 50% and Joel was going to shoot 5-13, but that happened.

I would get you fitted for a straight jacket if you had tried to tell me that Lvill was going to make 4 more shots from the field than we did but lose to us by double digits, but that happened. Just as if you had tried to tell me Theo was only going to make 2 treys less than Justin, to the looney bin for you! But that happened as well...?

How about this one, we go in to the half with a 3pt lead and shoot 34.3% on 12 made shots for that half, we shoot 40.7% in the second half on 11 made shots and we win by double digits and had a lead of what 15 or 16 fairly late in the game? Keep in mind, Lville is/was one of the best defensive teams in the country and UNC one of the best scoring teams in the country?

What a CRAZY FREAKIN GAME ! LOL
 
Highlight of the announcing last night was when Bilas said something like:

"They called a foul. It will be on Hicks because he was within 20 feet of it."

It ended up being on Meeks, but the comment cracked me up.

Also dropped a Caddyshack comment when talking about Ray "Spaulding", said "you'll get nothing & like it". Classic. Bilas was entertaining last night in addition to his normal spot on call of the game.
 
...except no one is getting around him. He's funnelling sideline/baseline as taught.
That was my main complaint against Berry last year, but he's much better this year. Still needs to work on getting around screens quickly, but still much better.
 
...and once again, wow, what a defensive effort.

- I'm gonna start there. Defense. Some on here didn't seem to appreciate the defensive outing against UVA, well... whatever. Tonight we were helping, challenging and recovering. There was a good reason they were missing those 3s early. I'm just gonna say it: Anyone who doesn't appreciate our defensive performance tonight should think twice before posting on a basketball board. So there's that...

- Speaking of help, when Nate was guarding Mitchell, Louisville followed the scouting reports and ran isolations, driving right at him. It worked a couple of times, but we adjusted and did a nice job of helping (until we were just letting him go at the end) and shut that down in crunch time.

- Stilman White = Ace-in-the-Hole

- 24 points on our Secondary Break, which is impressive considering we blew 8 transition opportunities.

- The zebras? Well, we've actually gotten a few decent games from the members of that particular crew, although I was wondering if they'd totally swallowed their whistles (unless of course it was Hicks) in the first half. To say it was a "loose" whistle was an understatement, which normally favors a team like Louisville, but hey, at least it was called evenly enough... and the Cards helped us out by apparently feeling guilty at the line (4/13). We were just ok at the line (21/29) with the number of FTs inflated by their late intentional fouling, but at least we cracked 70% for a change.

- To say Louisville is "physical" is like saying a skunk smells, and I emphasized this week how vital it is to finish thru contact ---and boy howdy, there was a lotta contact --- and we didn't do the best job at that. Tony in particular struggled with it --- and I call those freshman moments because next season as he fills out and gets stronger he'll be completing those tough buckets.

- Speaking of physical, #10 for Louisville? Good grief. On one sequence in the first half --- on their offensive end, no less --- he committed easily 4 uncalled fouls. Dude looked like a broken windmill running amok. He fouled people in front of him, beside him and behind him. Ond of my buddies started laughing and said "that guy could've fouled out in one possession".

- one of the few negatives was our propensity for self-inflicted bad possessions. We had several in the first half, and when it looked like we had settled in we had a bad stretch in the second half of several empty possessions that allowed them back into the game, and later when we were on the verge of running them outta the gym, we went brain-dead again a couple of times. And we missed several wing post entries and/or waited too long and then telegraphed.

- Speaking of which, there's an old mantra "Play fast but don't play in a hurry". When we obeyed that, we were hard to deal with. A while back Justin went thru a spell of trying to do too much. I'm told that was addressed in practice and Buckets has since relaxed, let the game come to him more, and has thus been on a tear since. Tonight there were spells when JJ was jazzed up and forced a couple of shots and passes --- one caused a run-out and anothere a fast break --- but you could see him gather himself after a blow on the bench and he was back to his deadly self. Another 20+ pt game for Buckets, and scored in a variety of ways!

- Theo also came out of the gate in a manic state and had some bad TOs, but he settled in as well and contibuted a nice 13 and 6. Tell ya what --- Theo's stroke looks so much better than last season.

- JB had a couple of 3 balls go in and out on him, but dog showed a full offensive arsenal with some tough-ass finishes on drives thru contact and over the trees.

- Once again, howz about big Kennedy Meeks? Dude was damned good on both ends. Double-Double 14 and 10 helped like a champ on D, but was just a hoss inside. Often with Louisville's athletic Bigs hanging on him, Kennedy used that big ol' behind and cleaned the glass!

- Speaking of boards, doubling up a bunch like Louisville on the Offensive Glass (16-8) is damned impressive.

- Finally, speaking of defense --- and we were watching that part very closely and critiquing it tonight --- my dog Joel Berry had as good a defensive outing as I have ever seen from a Carolina PG, and trust me, I don't say that lightly. I'm going to go back and rewatch, but in real time JB was a walking clinic.

So... dook goes down on a heart-breaker (awww), Nova goes down, and we throttle Michael Corleone and his bully boys. Don't get no better'n that!...:cool:

I thought Tony did some really nice things for us as well. Made a couple of freshman errors, and missed a few bunnies he should have made, but thought he was very good. He's just a nice change of pace. All 4 of our post rotation guys are so different and provide different things.

I personally would like to see Coach play Seventh and JB together some. I know Seventh is his "backup," but I think they would work well together. I think it would give Seventh some more confidence as well

If we're healthy from here on out, we cut down the nets. I know we miss Kenny, but Theo is the difference maker. It looks as though we are peaking at the right time. Very similar to last year.
 
Also dropped a Caddyshack comment when talking about Ray "Spaulding", said "you'll get nothing & like it". Classic. Bilas was entertaining last night in addition to his normal spot on call of the game.
Well, in fairness, announcers have been wearing that one out all season. Jay was late to the game this time.
 
I thought Tony did some really nice things for us as well. Made a couple of freshman errors, and missed a few bunnies he should have made, but thought he was very good. He's just a nice change of pace. All 4 of our post rotation guys are so different and provide different things.

I personally would like to see Coach play Seventh and JB together some. I know Seventh is his "backup," but I think they would work well together. I think it would give Seventh some more confidence as well

If we're healthy from here on out, we cut down the nets. I know we miss Kenny, but Theo is the difference maker. It looks as though we are peaking at the right time. Very similar to last year.
Tony really showed value on help D. Other than that freshman moment when he failed to cover the first Big down on a Card break, he was in the right place a lot, especially on block help.
 
He did not get used once last night.
Yeah, I don't even know where that's coming from. He did not get beat off the dribble one time last night and the only time you could say "guys got around Berry" would have been when he was screened.
 
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I only saw the second half, but liked what Seventh did as well. Meaning running the offense, giving JB a breather, and not forcing anything or being out of control. And playing serviceable defense. I could say the same thing about Britt and his handling the ball, being under control, when he was in there.

Seems like earlier this year at times, Seventh (and Britt) were just not smart about their roles on offense. I'm not saying they are identical players, but there would be times where they'd get the ball, go way too fast, and get it in their head "this possession is the one where I need to shoot / score. No matter what the defense or my teammates do....its on me this time down to put it up."

They both seemed to have learned, while they still need to look to score, and/or put pressure on their defender, being the primary scoring option is almost never going to be their role on this team. They get that they might be #3, 4, or 5 option depending on who is on the court... and that's OK.

Next: I mean this as a positive, but as good as last night's game turned out, our ceiling is quite a bit higher. We played really well on defense, but Louisville just had a horrible night from 3 and FT line.

Specific areas where I mean our ceiling is a lot higher:
Obviously Hicks can give us a lot more on the offensive end.
Joel Berry is in sort of an offensive funk, and I know / believe he will rise to the occasion - we really need him to over the next month:
*Since / including the Miami game, he played well against Pitt and NC State.
But in the other 5 games he has been 5/26 (19%) from 3, and 15-55 (27%) FG%. Surely he has better accuracy / shot selection in him than that. Even including the Pitt and NCSU games he is 14/43 (32%) from 3 and 28/78 (36%) FG%.

Last thing: I think its now two games in a row where Justin Jackson has made some really amazing, NBA-type shots: putting the ball on the floor, and floating over some really long bigs' outreached arms / hands. Beautiful to see, and a high level of difficulty to put the teardrop up high enough to avoid deflection, but with enough touch to find the bottom of the net.
 
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As for Theo's 3pt shot it's looking better. The less he leans back the more shots he makes. I swear 3 were 3/4 of the way in then spun out.

Meeks has always pissed me off how much he gets his shot blocked. I must admit this run he's been on I don't really remember him getting blocked much. I think a lot has to do with getting more 1 on 1 looks. Which I would think our 3 point shot has helped open that up. I got to admit he might be second on the team in MVP voting, maybe even 1b. The work he's doing on both ends is awesome. Loved seeing him get on Hicks for a stupid foul.
 
I only saw the second half, but liked what Seventh did as well. Meaning running the offense, giving JB a breather, and not forcing anything or being out of control. And playing serviceable defense. I could say the same thing about Britt and his handling the ball, being under control, when he was in there.

Seems like earlier this year at times, Seventh (and Britt) were just not smart about their roles on offense. I'm not saying they are identical players, but there would be times where they'd get the ball, go way too fast, and get it in their head "this possession is the one where I need to shoot / score. No matter what the defense or my teammates do....its on me this time down to put it up."

They both seemed to have learned, while they still need to look to score, and/or put pressure on their defender, being the primary scoring option is almost never going to be their role on this team. They get that they might be #3, 4, or 5 option depending on who is on the court... and that's OK.

Next: I mean this as a positive, but as good as last night's game turned out, our ceiling is quite a bit higher. We played really well on defense, but Louisville just had a horrible night from 3 and FT line.

Specific areas where I mean our ceiling is a lot higher:
Obviously Hicks can give us a lot more on the offensive end.
Joel Berry is in sort of an offensive funk, and I know / believe he will rise to the occasion - we really need him to over the next month:
*Since / including the Miami game, he played well against Pitt and NC State.
But in the other 5 games he has been 5/26 (19%) from 3, and 15-55 (27%) FG%. Surely he has better accuracy / shot selection in him than that. Even including the Pitt and NCSU games he is 14/43 (32%) from 3 and 28/78 (36%) FG%.

Last thing: I think its now two games in a row where Justin Jackson has made some really amazing, NBA-type shots: putting the ball on the floor, and floating over some really long bigs' outreached arms / hands. Beautiful to see, and a high level of difficulty to put the teardrop up high enough to avoid deflection, but with enough touch to find the bottom of the net.
Honestly my biggest concern about JB is that his usual automatic FTs have become iffier lately, and we definitely need a consistent 3-ball going, but I loved his midrange game (which a few folks have talked about being absent recently) and his drive game last night.
 
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Not that you would know if you saw it, but go rewatch. There were only 2 points scored all night by a man JB was guarding on any given possession, and that was a throw-in from the hip by #4 on what probably should have been an offensive foul.
Well it's apparent to me you are having reading comprehension trouble today. Read my post again and tell me where I was saying Berry got beat by his man and scored on. It was clear I was saying he did not get beat and I don't even know where people are getting that from.
 
I really love the team leadership we have too! Meeks, JB, JJ, TP have all displayed incredible leadership this year. The youngsters never even have to get to Roy before they find out how we do things! This is why someone steps up almost every game to give us what we need to succeed!

Imagine TB after Jonas gets his body adjusted. Imagine 7th when that second light clicks on. (the first light has clicked and the game seems to be slowing down for him)

Our starting 4 had 0 points and 5 rebounds and: We out rebounded the second best rebounding team in our league while we were winning going away!

I love this team and this is shaping up to be a special season!
 
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Yeah, I don't even know where that's coming from. He did not get beat off the dribble one time last night and the only time you could say "guys got around Berry" would have been when he was screened.

See the follow-up. After seeing the responses I realized my post was not clear.

CC
 
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He did not get used once last night.

Yeah, I don't even know where that's coming from. He did not get beat off the dribble one time last night and the only time you could say "guys got around Berry" would have been when he was screened.

Not that you would know if you saw it, but go rewatch. There were only 2 points scored all night by a man JB was guarding on any given possession, and that was a throw-in from the hip by #4 on what probably should have been an offensive foul.
Wow. Way to lash out and be a total dick to somebody who was agreeing with you.
 
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I mean, everyone gets beat off the dribble from time to time. Berry, Britt, Jackson, Theo... Offensive players today are just so skilled it is difficult to contain them consistently without being overly physical (basically fouling them most of the time). Our backcourt has struggled with this but has been better recently. Hicks really needs to learn when to just let a guy score or stand there with his hands up. He just continues to put his hands down and foul guys.
 
Yeah, I don't even know where that's coming from. He did not get beat off the dribble one time last night and the only time you could say "guys got around Berry" would have been when he was screened.
My apologies for your quote showing up in a response I posted while ago, the first part of which was meant for someone else. That was not directed at your post. Damned editor function. It is corrected now.
 
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...except no one is getting around him. He's funnelling sideline/baseline as taught. In fact, as far as Hicks, that didn't happen. Now, Jackson did hang Hicks out to dry once on a back-door that resulted in a foul, but not Joel. You may be referring to one set play Pitino called where Louisville went high Double-stack to create a switch for their PG (probably because he wasn't getting penetration any other way) and thus Meeks had him, and he attempted a drive-dish off the mismatch that resulted in a Hicks foul.

Gary-Gary-Gary! I love Berry too but he does make some mistakes.
 
Honestly my biggest concern about JB is that his usual automatic FTs have become iffier lately, and we definitely need a consistent 3-ball going, but I loved his midrange game (which a few folks have talked about being absent recently) and his drive game last night.

Always a lot to love about JB and I think his best is yet to come.
 
Hicks really needs to learn when to just let a guy score or stand there with his hands up. He just continues to put his hands down and foul guys.

Or instead of jumping into the guy, which he does a LOT, waiting and timing his block on the shot, that was what Brice was so good at.
 
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True, but that's not what is being said. Berry's D last night was outstanding. As a matter of fact, it was pretty doggone stellar.
I see what you did there.

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