Quick stuff (Stanford game)...

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Yeah BUT I as of a few minutes ago have a HUGE smile on my face. Not gonna explain why now, ask me Friday... 🤗

Why would Caleb join this program? Is he someone who has always wanted to play here? Are we paying more than others? Does he secretly want to play with his back to the basket?

I mean I hope you are right, but it's hard for me to imagine he thinks coming here would be in his best interests. Unless it's just for a huge 1-year payout.

 

[NorCalTarheel]

Why would Caleb join this program? Is he someone who has always wanted to play here? Are we paying more than others? Does he secretly want to play with his back to the basket?

I mean I hope you are right, but it's hard for me to imagine he thinks coming here would be in his best interests. Unless it's just for a huge 1-year payout.

I can see why Caleb would want to come here. He plays with E. C at the point and Seth at the two. I'm holding out hope that Drake comes back at the 3, Caleb plays the four and we portal a stud at the five.

The rest of our backup support players are able to be backup support players.

 

[DSouthr]

Why would Caleb join this program? Is he someone who has always wanted to play here? Are we paying more than others? Does he secretly want to play with his back to the basket?

I mean I hope you are right, but it's hard for me to imagine he thinks coming here would be in his best interests. Unless it's just for a huge 1-year payout.

Caleb Love transferred to Arizona?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I can see why Caleb would want to come here. He plays with E. C at the point and Seth at the two. I'm holding out hope that Drake comes back at the 3, Caleb plays the four and we portal a stud at the five.

The rest of our backup support players are able to be backup support players.

I like your spin. If that's how it works out, that could very well be good enough for him to want to be here.

Then again, a couple of the guys you mention might transfer or go pro - depending on whether they break out or get discouraged.

And to make it worse, he's announcing before we have that portal stud at the 5.

Without knowing who's returning and with that much uncertainty about the post, I would pick another school - or postpone my decision, if I was a strong lean to UNC. But I'm an old fart. I have no idea how kids think these days.

 

[NorCalTarheel]

I like your spin. If that's how it works out, that could very well be good enough for him to want to be here.

Then again, a couple of the guys you mention might transfer or go pro - depending on whether they break out or get discouraged.

And to make it worse, he's announcing before we have that portal stud at the 5.

Without knowing who's returning and with that much uncertainty about the post, I would pick another school - or postpone my decision, if I was a strong lean to UNC. But I'm an old fart. I have no idea how kids think these days.

I think we can agree that neither of us know what 18-year-old kids think these days. Undoubtedly, my spin was @TPFKAPFS positive but here is another possibility...

I think EC coming back is more likely than not. Until he has a jumper there's nowhere for him to go. If Caleb Wilson wants to be THE man, with unlimited shots and a non-existent hook for mistakes, Carolina might be the spot for him next year. If he's watching this team, he realizes he has zero competition at the four. There are more minutes than he can play available for him. He also has to be noticing how Ian has blossomed and that Freshman Drake is a starter.

I don't put much stock in the dream school stuff, but he has mentioned UNC as being just that. If our bag is as big or bigger than Kentucky's all the other stuff might just tip the scale towards us?

Here's to the power of positive thinking!

 

[gary-7]

Why would Caleb join this program? Is he someone who has always wanted to play here? Are we paying more than others? Does he secretly want to play with his back to the basket?

I mean I hope you are right, but it's hard for me to imagine he thinks coming here would be in his best interests. Unless it's just for a huge 1-year payout.

Seriously?

 

[ACokeForRoy]

Bring Roy back for 2 years. He looks refreshed enough now.

 

[2DDIMOND]

Seriously?

Dude says all kinds of random ish that doesn’t make sense just to get a reaction.

 

[DSouthr]

I like your spin. If that's how it works out, that could very well be good enough for him to want to be here.

Then again, a couple of the guys you mention might transfer or go pro - depending on whether they break out or get discouraged.

And to make it worse, he's announcing before we have that portal stud at the 5.

Without knowing who's returning and with that much uncertainty about the post, I would pick another school - or postpone my decision, if I was a strong lean to UNC. But I'm an old fart. I have no idea how kids think these days.

IF we were to get Wilson, it would be dumb to bring him in as a 5, especially a back to the basket 5 but Jalen shouldn't be a back to the basket 5 either so dumb has happened. But I doubt we would be on Wilson's list if we are trying to sell him on being our 5, he is a facilitating 4 that will give you those weak side shot blocks, snag boards, quick leaper and really long. Very impressive passing big man, really nice mid range and is stretching out his range. Her is thin so he can be muscled around some, see Boozer, dukie incoming. But he has a "slither" factor, very athletic, gets up off the floor quick and pops back up for that second leap, runs the court like a gazelle. Easy pick for a day 1 starter.

EC will come back and getting a guy like Wilson does nothing but assist EC coming back, a big man with great hands + Cadeau, seriously, that good stuff. Dunn, one of our freshmen for next season just hit 8-10 treys in a recent game ( gonna like his Danny Green shooting stroke) and Denis is a solid talent as well, the loss of RJ should not hurt that much and frankly the chemistry between Cadeau and RJ does not strike me as great. My gut is telling me Drake comes back to play the 3 (where he belongs) and Seth at the 2 with Cadeau. I think jump shooting wise we will be fine when the freshmen get their feet wet, think I would see Denis backing up the point and Dunn the back up 2.

I think we need a broad shoulders 5 to pair with Jalen, the better of the 2 starts, Lubin I move to the 4 to back up Wilson, and who knows what the deal with High becomes. James Brown development and maybe High as well should dictate what level of 5 we need to portal in which dictates how much we need to spend for the portal 5. Gee, did I leave Tyson out, well golly gee whiz, I did?

Getting Wilson FLIPS the dominos, makes us immediately longer and yet Hubert still has his jump shooting from the 4 and 3 he seems to covet. That gives us good length in the front and back courts and we don't lose quickness.

 

[gary-7]

Bring Roy back for 2 years. He looks refreshed enough now.

Funny you say that, as every time they show him on TV, it stikes me how Roy looks 10 years younger than when he retired.

In all honesty, I don't think it was age as much as accumulated pressures of the job that had Roy off his game during his last few seasons. And I think he knew that.

Now granted, I doubt he'd want any part of dystopian NIL-Portal-world, but I'll guarantee you that, after the deep breath he's had, Ol' Roy could coach the hell outta this roster.

Lordy, just having the Secondary return (with a PG of this ilk dealing) might just bring tears to my eyes...

 

[gary-7]

IF we were to get Wilson, it would be dumb to bring him in as a 5, especially a back to the basket 5 but Jalen shouldn't be a back to the basket 5 either so dumb has happened. But I doubt we would be on Wilson's list if we are trying to sell him on being our 5, he is a facilitating 4 that will give you those weak side shot blocks, snag boards, quick leaper and really long. Very impressive passing big man, really nice mid range and is stretching out his range. Her is thin so he can be muscled around some, see Boozer, dukie incoming. But he has a "slither" factor, very athletic, gets up off the floor quick and pops back up for that second leap, runs the court like a gazelle. Easy pick for a day 1 starter.

EC will come back and getting a guy like Wilson does nothing but assist EC coming back, a big man with great hands + Cadeau, seriously, that good stuff. Dunn, one of our freshmen for next season just hit 8-10 treys in a recent game ( gonna like his Danny Green shooting stroke) and Denis is a solid talent as well, the loss of RJ should not hurt that much and frankly the chemistry between Cadeau and RJ does not strike me as great. My gut is telling me Drake comes back to play the 3 (where he belongs) and Seth at the 2 with Cadeau. I think jump shooting wise we will be fine when the freshmen get their feet wet, think I would see Denis backing up the point and Dunn the back up 2.

I think we need a broad shoulders 5 to pair with Jalen, the better of the 2 starts, Lubin I move to the 4 to back up Wilson, and who knows what the deal with High becomes. James Brown development and maybe High as well should dictate what level of 5 we need to portal in which dictates how much we need to spend for the portal 5. Gee, did I leave Tyson out, well golly gee whiz, I did?

Getting Wilson FLIPS the dominos, makes us immediately longer and yet Hubert still has his jump shooting from the 4 and 3 he seems to covet. That gives us good length in the front and back courts and we don't lose quickness.

Yeah... he's certainly not being recruited by anybody as a 5. That would not only fly like a lead balloon, it ain't his calling.

 

[DSouthr]

Funny you say that, as every time they show him on TV, it stikes me how Roy looks 10 years younger than when he retired.

In all honesty, I don't think it was age as much as accumulated pressures of the job that had Roy off his game during his last few seasons. And I think he knew that.

Now granted, I doubt he'd want any part of dystopian NIL-Portal-world, but I'll guarantee you that, after the deep breath he's had, Ol' Roy could coach the hell outta this roster.

Lordy, just having the Secondary return (with a PG of this ilk dealing) might just bring tears to my eyes...

Gary, I would add, Roy was very accomplished, in the HOF, has his natty rings, was set in his ways, what he did worked so why change. His words, he considered retiring after his last natty, if you have to ask if it is time it usually is. His last season, Roy knew it, just not a great season for him, maybe felt with the changes that NIL and the portal have brought it was no longer his time and I think the hunger just wasn't there to fight it.

I do think Roy truly felt Hubert was ready to take over, I think in large part because he himself was able to be the Kansas head coach without ever being a head coach elsewhere. Thing is, I always got the sense on his coaching staffs that the only coach he would really listen to was Steve, I don't know that Roy expected Steve to move on as well. Roy, my opinion didn't utilize Hubert the same way Dean did Phil, I think Phil had a great deal more say on things, Roy was not the effective responsibility delagator, it was more Roy's way and everyone else get in line with that. Hubert needed to go to a smaller school and learn not just what works and doesn't but how to run a program without the safety net of a hall of fame coach holding you up.

 

[NorCalTarheel]

IF we were to get Wilson, it would be dumb to bring him in as a 5, especially a back to the basket 5 but Jalen shouldn't be a back to the basket 5 either so dumb has happened. But I doubt we would be on Wilson's list if we are trying to sell him on being our 5, he is a facilitating 4 that will give you those weak side shot blocks, snag boards, quick leaper and really long. Very impressive passing big man, really nice mid range and is stretching out his range. Her is thin so he can be muscled around some, see Boozer, dukie incoming. But he has a "slither" factor, very athletic, gets up off the floor quick and pops back up for that second leap, runs the court like a gazelle. Easy pick for a day 1 starter.

EC will come back and getting a guy like Wilson does nothing but assist EC coming back, a big man with great hands + Cadeau, seriously, that good stuff. Dunn, one of our freshmen for next season just hit 8-10 treys in a recent game ( gonna like his Danny Green shooting stroke) and Denis is a solid talent as well, the loss of RJ should not hurt that much and frankly the chemistry between Cadeau and RJ does not strike me as great. My gut is telling me Drake comes back to play the 3 (where he belongs) and Seth at the 2 with Cadeau. I think jump shooting wise we will be fine when the freshmen get their feet wet, think I would see Denis backing up the point and Dunn the back up 2.

I think we need a broad shoulders 5 to pair with Jalen, the better of the 2 starts, Lubin I move to the 4 to back up Wilson, and who knows what the deal with High becomes. James Brown development and maybe High as well should dictate what level of 5 we need to portal in which dictates how much we need to spend for the portal 5. Gee, did I leave Tyson out, well golly gee whiz, I did?

Getting Wilson FLIPS the dominos, makes us immediately longer and yet Hubert still has his jump shooting from the 4 and 3 he seems to covet. That gives us good length in the front and back courts and we don't lose quickness.

You're saying Dunn but I believe you are referring to Dixon. Happens to the best of us😃

 

[gary-7]

Gary, I would add, Roy was very accomplished, in the HOF, has his natty rings, was set in his ways, what he did worked so why change. His words, he considered retiring after his last natty, if you have to ask if it is time it usually is. His last season, Roy knew it, just not a great season for him, maybe felt with the changes that NIL and the portal have brought it was no longer his time and I think the hunger just wasn't there to fight it.

I do think Roy truly felt Hubert was ready to take over, I think in large part because he himself was able to be the Kansas head coach without ever being a head coach elsewhere. Thing is, I always got the sense on his coaching staffs that the only coach he would really listen to was Steve, I don't know that Roy expected Steve to move on as well. Roy, my opinion didn't utilize Hubert the same way Dean did Phil, I think Phil had a great deal more say on things, Roy was not the effective responsibility delagator, it was more Roy's way and everyone else get in line with that. Hubert needed to go to a smaller school and learn not just what works and doesn't but how to run a program without the safety net of a hall of fame coach holding you up.

I had (and have) zero problem with Roy annointing Hubert, BUT... and this is a big BUT, it should have been with more hands-on guidance.

One of the potential foibles of any new HC is the temptation to "reinvent" the proverbial wheel.

As I'm sure you know, when Roy got the KU gig, while on one hand he brought much of Dean's bread-and-butter with him (e.g., Passing Game, Secondary), he also put his own stamp on some things --- and he and Dean actively talked about that as it was happening.

BOTH of those were good things.

I know Roy is hands-off unless he is asked, but in all honesty, the best thing that could happen right now is for Roy to have a "Come-to-Dean" sit-down with Hubert and the entire staff.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

so dumb has happened.

Amen, brother.

 

[big_deez]

I had (and have) zero problem with Roy annointing Hubert, BUT... and this is a big BUT, it should have been with more hands-on guidance.

One of the potential foibles of any new HC is the temptation to "reinvent" the proverbial wheel.

As I'm sure you know, when Roy got the KU gig, while on one hand he brought much of Dean's bread-and-butter with him (e.g., Passing Game, Secondary), he also put his own stamp on some things --- and he and Dean actively talked about that as it was happening.

BOTH of those were good things.

I know Roy is hands-off unless he is asked, but in all honesty, the best thing that could happen right now is for Roy to have a "Come-to-Dean" sit-down with Hubert and the entire staff.

After all the discussion about HD and coaching issues, hot seat, blah blah blah, is it possible HD can turn this around? I mean is it realistic to think he will self reflect, make some real adjustments, seek RW to possibly collaborate planning for 2025-26? Given more time maybe? It's possible he could pick up a quality big and a reliable shooter in the portal and still underperform. Honestly, is it too late and time to find a proven HC and lay down some $$ for the new staff? Many have seen enough but is it really time to start moving him out, well before contract end?

 

[dtodd4475]

I have no idea where the 5 talk with Caleb comes from, that is a non starter. Just not even on the table.

 

[dtodd4475]

After all the discussion about HD and coaching issues, hot seat, blah blah blah, is it possible HD can turn this around? I mean is it realistic to think he will self reflect, make some real adjustments, seek RW to possibly collaborate planning for 2025-26? Given more time maybe? It's possible he could pick up a quality big and a reliable shooter in the portal and still underperform. Honestly, is it too late and time to find a proven HC and lay down some $$ for the new staff? Many have seen enough but is it really time to start moving him out, well before contract end?

He has coached 3 and a half years. Went to the National Championship game. Won the ACC, and the coach of the year award, with probably the top two if not near all time wins over a loaded dook squad and Coach K, with a 1 seed in that time. The seat is hot, I get it, but c'mon just above his head, no success, remember the mess he took over, it was abandon ship mode for the players. Looked ugly !!

 

[big_deez]

He has coached 3 and a half years. Went to the National Championship game. Won the ACC, and the coach of the year award, with probably the top two if not near all time wins over a loaded dook squad and Coach K, with a 1 seed in that time. The seat is hot, I get it, but c'mon just above his head, no success, remember the mess he took over, it was abandon ship mode for the players. Looked ugly !!

Yea Dt, I guess that is my point with the questions. As bad as things have gotten, is it really time to start talking hc changes?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

After all the discussion about HD and coaching issues, hot seat, blah blah blah, is it possible HD can turn this around?

After his first season - when we went 12-6 early and 17-4 the rest of the way - I thought Hubert might be the next Denny Crum. Crum's teams often seemed to struggle for the first third or half of the season, but they were always ready deep into the season. As a result, he has a good but slightly lower overall W-L percentage, but a stellar postseason record.

I like winning throughout the season, but if Hubert could be Denny Crum, I think I could live with that.

 

[big_deez]

After his first season - when we went 12-6 early and 17-4 the rest of the way - I thought Hubert might be the next Denny Crum. Crum's teams often seemed to struggle for the first third or half of the season, but they were always ready deep into the season. As a result, he has a good but slightly lower overall W-L percentage, but a stellar postseason record.

I like winning throughout the season, but if Hubert could be Denny Crum, I think I could live with that.

WWJD, interesting, Denny Crum. That's a name I haven't heard in a while heh. This team is one or two three pointers and making a couple more fts per game of being 16-4, which honestly would be exceeding expectations. Strange season so far, so close...

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

WWJD, interesting, Denny Crum. That's a name I haven't heard in a while heh. This team is one or two three pointers and making a couple more fts per game of being 16-4, which honestly would be exceeding expectations. Strange season so far, so close...

Half of our losses were squeakers. And we only start 1 senior. It used to be a good bet that a team like that would be better the next year - since the extra year under their belt would turn more close games into wins. But the portal (and going pro early) has pretty much screwed that up.

 

[NathanFielder]

WWJD, interesting, Denny Crum. That's a name I haven't heard in a while heh. This team is one or two three pointers and making a couple more fts per game of being 16-4, which honestly would be exceeding expectations. Strange season so far, so close...

If we're playing that game though, the other side needs to be brought up too. This team was pretty fortunate to win against Dayton, UCLA, Notre Dame, and NC State. And they were somewhat fortunate to win against Georgia Tech.

I think 12-8 is a relatively fair record for this team. They've played in a lot of close games and I think they're 5-5 in those close games.

 

[Kool1234567]

After his first season - when we went 12-6 early and 17-4 the rest of the way - I thought Hubert might be the next Denny Crum. Crum's teams often seemed to struggle for the first third or half of the season, but they were always ready deep into the season. As a result, he has a good but slightly lower overall W-L percentage, but a stellar postseason record.

I like winning throughout the season, but if Hubert could be Denny Crum, I think I could live with that.

Could be Mike Davis at Indiana…He got 6 years…NCAA runner up…Big Ten regular season Title…

The Hoosiers finished the regular season with a 19–10 record, and after losing in the second round of the Big Ten tournament, earned a 5-seed in the 2002 NCAA tournament. What followed was a surprise run to the National Championship game, earning the program its eighth Final Four appearance. Though the Hoosiers lost to Maryland in the final, they upset top-seeded Duke in the Sweet 16 and took down future Indiana head coach Kelvin Sampson's 2-seed Oklahoma Sooners squad in the Final Four.

 

[big_deez]

If we're playing that game though, the other side needs to be brought up too. This team was pretty fortunate to win against Dayton, UCLA, Notre Dame, and NC State. And they were somewhat fortunate to win against Georgia Tech.

I think 12-8 is a relatively fair record for this team. They've played in a lot of close games and I think they're 5-5 in those close games.

Yea, that's fair man, I agree with that. However I think the point is how bad the shooting has been. If the shooting was 5-8% better in some of those games(still not a good % given the guard heavy roster) there may not be as much grumbling. You are right tho, man it could be a lot worse if in a couple of those games they didn't get a call or the ball bounce differently...

 

[notashelbyfan]

Could be Mike Davis at Indiana…He got 6 years…NCAA runner up…Big Ten regular season Title…

The Hoosiers finished the regular season with a 19–10 record, and after losing in the second round of the Big Ten tournament, earned a 5-seed in the 2002 NCAA tournament. What followed was a surprise run to the National Championship game, earning the program its eighth Final Four appearance. Though the Hoosiers lost to Maryland in the final, they upset top-seeded Duke in the Sweet 16 and took down future Indiana head coach Kelvin Sampson's 2-seed Oklahoma Sooners squad in the Final Four.

Mike Davis is the name that comes to mind when thinking about Hubert. If we don't do something sooner than later we will be Indiana in about 2 or 3 more years.