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...and there's never been a more welcome win, just for the sake of those kids.

- Sure, beating State almost seems like a given anymore --- and truth be known, the game should never have been that close --- but seeing the sheer combination of joy and relief on our guys' faces when it was finally over, actually getting to the buzzer without somebody raining in some improbable heart-breaking shot on us was nothing to sneeze at. Good on em!

- When they posted the graphic on TV in crunch-time that we are the worst FT shooting team in the ACC, perhaps we should thank them for the reverse jinx --- because making those FTs was the reason we won this one. And gotta feel good for Garrison making so many, after having struggled so mightily at the line this season, and with State obviously targeting him for late fouls.

- Fortunately we did good work on the boards, because truth be known there were multiple ugly possessions that we saved with offensive rebounds. And with some of the easy looks we allowed off defensive breakdowns, cleaning the defensive glass was important as well.

- All that being said, I would be dishonest if I didn't get real here. And if some don't like it, welp, I don't really care.... because it is what it is. Roy basically spotted them 20 points by trying to fit square pegs into round holes. To be sure, I cringed when I saw the starting lineup, but even I didn't know it would be that bad. Bad, as in spotting State a 10-0 lead (and a 15-3 advantage overall) in the first half, and then doing the same damn thing again to give them a nifty 12-5 run to start the second. The issue was glaring --- not having the positions properly covered. I've said it a hundred times --- position numbers matter in our system. Playing Brob at the 2 isn't fair to him nor to the team. He's a 3 in our system, as is Leaky, and he's out of sorts elsewhere. And we just can't afford to play without a legit 2 on the floor. It mucks up both our offense and defense, and tonight was case in point. Bottom line is NOBODY on this roster other than Keeling or Platek should ever man the 2 ---there's just no good reason for it. Those hideous 11-ish minutes without a proper 2 on the floor? We lost 27-7. The rest of the game we won 78-52. I love ya, Roy but please get past your legendary stubbornness with this. Now healthy we have the ingredients to play with anybody --- we just need those ingedients deployed in the right mixtures. Chemistry and stuff.

Anyway, at this point a win was like finding water in a desert for sure. And grabbing one in a Michael Stephens game is even better. Time to go up to Syracuse, put our best foot forward and disect that zone...
 
Platek should have played more than six minutes. A beautiful drive to get fouled by Beverly. Going by Funderburke for the layup. A nice entry pass to Bacot for the dunk . Stealing the ball from Johnson at the end of the half. He should have played early in the second half to defend markell Johnson. It was a bad matchup for Black
 
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I completely agree that BRob should not be playing SG for us. His dribble is just really bad, he cannot help bringing the ball up the court, can’t defend the other teams SG and is not a good passer. He’s just not a fit for that position and the experiment needs to stop but I think it boils down to Roy trying to give starter minutes to upper classmen like BRob and also keeping Leaky in the game. IMO, they both are a SF and should share minutes there.
 
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I completely agree that BRob should not be playing SG for us. His dribble is just really bad, he cannot help bringing the ball up the court, can’t defend the other teams SG and is not a good passer. He’s just not a fit for that position and the experiment needs to stop but I think it boils down to Roy trying to give starter minutes to upper classmen like BRob and also keeping Leaky in the game. IMO, they both are a SF and should share minutes there.
He's a better fit at the three, but we need people who can actually score. He's one of the few on the team that can sometimes make an outside shot. Even out of position, he's better than our pure twos although Keeling has been playing great lately.
 
I'll choose to be super positive because it's finally a game we played well...

Keeling - This is the guy we thought we were getting. Looking back, is it that big of a surprise that it took him time to adjust to the ACC level? Probably not. The confidence he has in his shot, and more importantly, the confidence the team has in him is very high right now. Wing scoring is vital to us winning games.

Brooks - Dude was an animal on the offensive boards and 14/16 FTs!?! He made clutch FT after clutch FT to not give State a shot at tying the game.

Leaky - I thought this was maybe his best game as a Tar Heel. He was incredibly aggressive and took good shots. He forced more steals and bad shots than the box score will show.

Cole - Maybe his best game also. 19 points on 12 shots, forced his guy into tough shots consistently, and aside from a few freshman mistakes he was very under control. His drive and kick to Keeling I thought was the most important play of the game.


If these 4 guys continue to play like this in the ACCT...well, stranger things have happened.
 
As always, thanks gary, appreciate your posts.

Glad for the team. I love you Roy but dang, the stubborn lineup thingy really was glaring. And yes, we were VERY aware you didn't take a TO down 15-3...
 
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I would like to know why Leaky is such a pansy. 6-1 (Maybe) markell switches on defense and is covering Leaky. LEAKY GO TO THE BASKET! Why is he so timid!?!? Zero confidence.
He plays like he thinks he is 6-1. And many times that makes him a liability.
 
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...and there's never been a more welcome win, just for the sake of those kids.

- Sure, beating State almost seems like a given anymore --- and truth be known, the game should never have been that close --- but seeing the sheer combination of joy and relief on our guys' faces when it was finally over, actually getting to the buzzer without somebody raining in some improbable heart-breaking shot on us was nothing to sneeze at. Good on em!

- When they posted the graphic on TV in crunch-time that we are the worst FT shooting team in the ACC, perhaps we should thank them for the reverse jinx --- because making those FTs was the reason we won this one. And gotta feel good for Garrison making so many, after having struggled so mightily at the line this season, and with State obviously targeting him for late fouls.

- Fortunately we did good work on the boards, because truth be known there were multiple ugly possessions that we saved with offensive rebounds. And with some of the easy looks we allowed off defensive breakdowns, cleaning the defensive glass was important as well.

- All that being said, I would be dishonest if I didn't get real here. And if some don't like it, welp, I don't really care.... because it is what it is. Roy basically spotted them 20 points by trying to fit square pegs into round holes. To be sure, I cringed when I saw the starting lineup, but even I didn't know it would be that bad. Bad, as in spotting State a 10-0 lead (and a 15-3 advantage overall) in the first half, and then doing the same damn thing again to give them a nifty 12-5 run to start the second. The issue was glaring --- not having the positions properly covered. I've said it a hundred times --- position numbers matter in our system. Playing Brob at the 2 isn't fair to him nor to the team. He's a 3 in our system, as is Leaky, and he's out of sorts elsewhere. And we just can't afford to play without a legit 2 on the floor. It mucks up both our offense and defense, and tonight was case in point. Bottom line is NOBODY on this roster other than Keeling or Platek should ever man the 2 ---there's just no good reason for it. Those hideous 11-ish minutes without a proper 2 on the floor? We lost 27-7. The rest of the game we won 78-52. I love ya, Roy but please get past your legendary stubbornness with this. Now healthy we have the ingredients to play with anybody --- we just need those ingedients deployed in the right mixtures. Chemistry and stuff.

Anyway, at this point a win was like finding water in a desert for sure. And grabbing one in a Michael Stephens game is even better. Time to go up to Syracuse, put our best foot forward and disect that zone...
Spot on about Robinson and the 3. been saying that since last season ended.
 
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I completely agree that BRob should not be playing SG for us. His dribble is just really bad, he cannot help bringing the ball up the court, can’t defend the other teams SG and is not a good passer. He’s just not a fit for that position and the experiment needs to stop but I think it boils down to Roy trying to give starter minutes to upper classmen like BRob and also keeping Leaky in the game. IMO, they both are a SF and should share minutes there.
They should share minutes there, and Leaky gets the backup Cole minutes too.
 
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I'll choose to be super positive because it's finally a game we played well...

Keeling - This is the guy we thought we were getting. Looking back, is it that big of a surprise that it took him time to adjust to the ACC level? Probably not. The confidence he has in his shot, and more importantly, the confidence the team has in him is very high right now. Wing scoring is vital to us winning games.

Brooks - Dude was an animal on the offensive boards and 14/16 FTs!?! He made clutch FT after clutch FT to not give State a shot at tying the game.

Leaky - I thought this was maybe his best game as a Tar Heel. He was incredibly aggressive and took good shots. He forced more steals and bad shots than the box score will show.

Cole - Maybe his best game also. 19 points on 12 shots, forced his guy into tough shots consistently, and aside from a few freshman mistakes he was very under control. His drive and kick to Keeling I thought was the most important play of the game.


If these 4 guys continue to play like this in the ACCT...well, stranger things have happened.

Agree with all of this..........But did any of us have any idea of how poor a defender Cole was going to be this season? Dude is a human defensive breakdown.
 
Agree with all of this..........But did any of us have any idea of how poor a defender Cole was going to be this season? Dude is a human defensive breakdown.

Yeah - I think people underestimate the adjustment that needs to be made defensively when stepping up to the ACC level. He was a very good defender in HS so he has it in him, we just haven't seen much of it this year. His P&R defense is very poor.

I think he took a nice step forward last night. He let a few guys by him but he also made some key stops late.
 
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That was a big win for this team.

Way to close out guys.

Damn injuries. This team could have heen dangerous right now with Keeling starting to hit shots.
 
Although Leaky finally scored on 2-on-1 fast breaks... he frustrates me to no end on a fast break. Almost every UNC team that I can remember when we have the advantage on the fast break, that ball barely hits the floor if at all passing it back and forth. Maybe this year because we haven’t had too many fast breaks, but if Leaky is leading it he never gives the ball up then ends up taking a difficult shot. He converted last night but still think the easier shot would have been passing to the open teammate.

I will say one thing about last night when they made a run and cut it to 3, UNC didn’t look scared or tight as they did in previous games.
 
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Yeah - I think people underestimate the adjustment that needs to be made defensively when stepping up to the ACC level. He was a very good defender in HS so he has it in him, we just haven't seen much of it this year. His P&R defense is very poor.

I think he took a nice step forward last night. He let a few guys by him but he also made some key stops late.
Spot on there. It appears he has a habit of taking his match-ups personally and forgets his Carolina principles in the process, especially maintianing sideline/baseline forces and trusting his teammates. In his defense (no pun intended) PG is the toughest defensive position for a freshman because of the aforementioned need to trust guys behind you, because even if you do it very well you can still get hung out to dry. I think if he, oh let's say, came back another season he could evolve into a good defender here.
 
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I would like to know why Leaky is such a pansy. 6-1 (Maybe) markell switches on defense and is covering Leaky. LEAKY GO TO THE BASKET! Why is he so timid!?!? Zero confidence.
I watched with one of my coach buds and there were back-to-back possessions in the first half where little Beverly (who's what? 6' tops?) was guarding Leaky on the baseline with no help inside and we both threw up our hands and said almost in unison, "TAKE HIM!" Then my bud (who's not a Caroilina guy) asked almost exasperated "what is wrong with him?" I just replied "yer preachin' to the choir, bro."

Can you imagine what Rashad McCants would've done to Beverly? Hell, he'd post up guys taller than him.
 
IMO I’ve realized what leaky is. He’s a kid who missed his growing time in his freshmen year by being hurt, and has progressed each game. I’m slowly but surely seeing improvement. He’s not a Dog out there but has shown to have the talent. Game wise, he’s now gotten a full season under his belt. Of course I’m a glass half full kinda guy.
 
IMO I’ve realized what leaky is. He’s a kid who missed his growing time in his freshmen year by being hurt, and has progressed each game. I’m slowly but surely seeing improvement. He’s not a Dog out there but has shown to have the talent. Game wise, he’s now gotten a full season under his belt. Of course I’m a glass half full kinda guy.

while partially true, I think the mentality he has is the biggest thing holding him back. Idk if I think his talent level is high enough to get away with the passive way he approaches the game. If he had a theo pinson or Danny Greene mentality I think he could become a great college player. But I just dont think its in him. Sometimes it appears as if hed rather be anywhere else but a basketball court.

He certainly "looks the part" but theres Waaaayyy too many stretches where he either just entirely dissapears or you only notice him for the atrocious decision making.
 
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also, this game analysis could be summed up to me in two sentences..we made free throws...and the opponent was NC st.
 
Gary, do you have an explanation for why Bacot follows the dribbler out to about 30 feet from the basket when defending the screen at the top of the key? Is he tought to do it? What is he supposed to do? I don't mind him ignoring Bates. There's nothing Bates can do that far from the basket. But it gave State way too much operating room in the lane
 
IMO I’ve realized what leaky is. He’s a kid who missed his growing time in his freshmen year by being hurt, and has progressed each game. I’m slowly but surely seeing improvement. He’s not a Dog out there but has shown to have the talent. Game wise, he’s now gotten a full season under his belt. Of course I’m a glass half full kinda guy.

bama dude, you nailed it my friend, you nailed Leaky!

Fols forget, he was not able to finish his freshman season and most of his off season was dealing with that nasty high ankle sprain (those darn things can take as long and at times longer to mend than a break). If I am not mistaken, Roy did not practice him right off, he may not have even played in the late night scrimmage (which says he may have been over the sprain but was not conditioned to be able to play). Then the season begins he re-tweeks that ankle, not as serious, more the garden variety version ankle sprain. Sits a game or 2 and then in the next couple games developed turf toe, which you just don't get over in a day or 2. Then all the sudden, Cole is out and it is really only leaky and KY with a little Jeremiah mixed in a bit later on to ruin the point. To say the kid was put in the fire with his development stunted by injuries is a serious understatement, he and BRob have been walking wounded all season.

Now yes of course, hope no one would argue other wise now, Leaky is a wing 3 and I agree, so is BRob. But look at the available players we have, you just have to start both of them. keeling has score much better of late but in truth, for the season he has not been the guy we al hoped he could be (the no doubt starting 2). Keeling seems to have found a comfort level of coming off our bench and being producetive as of late, I would not mess with that either.

Other thing is, have noticed since Cole has been back, especially the last 3 games, Leaky has become more of the second PG in a duo PG type of look and not as much Cole all the time. BRob came back from his latest injury and the question becomes, do you want a shooter at the 2 or the 3, do you want your longer guy at the 2 or the 3, do you want your guy that is your future 3 at the 3 or the senior in his last season, who plays out of position, Roy has decided that leaky's length may help us more than BRob's lack of being a ball handler takes away and I agree with that decision even if I am glad I do not have to make it.
 
while partially true, I think the mentality he has is the biggest thing holding him back. Idk if I think his talent level is high enough to get away with the passive way he approaches the game. If he had a theo pinson or Danny Greene mentality I think he could become a great college player. But I just dont think its in him. Sometimes it appears as if hed rather be anywhere else but a basketball court.

He certainly "looks the part" but theres Waaaayyy too many stretches where he either just entirely dissapears or you only notice him for the atrocious decision making.
I still think a senior Leaky will match up very well with Theo, who many like to say he is not close to. Theo as a sophomore was STRUGGLING. He didn't blossom until his senior year.

Leaky has been thrust into a leader type role as a soph. running a ton of point on top of a featured 3. If you are comparing him to Senior Theo at this point he is certainly a far cry. If it is Sophmore Theo, well Leaky stacks up just fine with that version.

I think if he stays healthy Leaky will leave as a 4 year, very productive, beloved Tarheel.
 
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Gary, do you have an explanation for why Bacot follows the dribbler out to about 30 feet from the basket when defending the screen at the top of the key? Is he tought to do it? What is he supposed to do? I don't mind him ignoring Bates. There's nothing Bates can do that far from the basket. But it gave State way too much operating room in the lane
All I can say is that his "hedges" are sloppy in that he gets himself off-balance making him slow to recover. That being said, there also are issues behind him with help defenders failing to account for ("tag") the roller. Pierce whiffed twice on that.

Personally I've never liked hard hedges. There's nobody on that State team I'd worry aboiut flatting (except maybe Beverly), and he's too short to get shots off in traffic.
 
bama dude, you nailed it my friend, you nailed Leaky!

Fols forget, he was not able to finish his freshman season and most of his off season was dealing with that nasty high ankle sprain (those darn things can take as long and at times longer to mend than a break). If I am not mistaken, Roy did not practice him right off, he may not have even played in the late night scrimmage (which says he may have been over the sprain but was not conditioned to be able to play). Then the season begins he re-tweeks that ankle, not as serious, more the garden variety version ankle sprain. Sits a game or 2 and then in the next couple games developed turf toe, which you just don't get over in a day or 2. Then all the sudden, Cole is out and it is really only leaky and KY with a little Jeremiah mixed in a bit later on to ruin the point. To say the kid was put in the fire with his development stunted by injuries is a serious understatement, he and BRob have been walking wounded all season.

Now yes of course, hope no one would argue other wise now, Leaky is a wing 3 and I agree, so is BRob. But look at the available players we have, you just have to start both of them. keeling has score much better of late but in truth, for the season he has not been the guy we al hoped he could be (the no doubt starting 2). Keeling seems to have found a comfort level of coming off our bench and being producetive as of late, I would not mess with that either.

Other thing is, have noticed since Cole has been back, especially the last 3 games, Leaky has become more of the second PG in a duo PG type of look and not as much Cole all the time. BRob came back from his latest injury and the question becomes, do you want a shooter at the 2 or the 3, do you want your longer guy at the 2 or the 3, do you want your guy that is your future 3 at the 3 or the senior in his last season, who plays out of position, Roy has decided that leaky's length may help us more than BRob's lack of being a ball handler takes away and I agree with that decision even if I am glad I do not have to make it.
Sorry, but on no planet do we "have" to start both of them, and being blunt, doing so is detrimental to the team's chances of wiinning.
 
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Cole/Keeling/Leaky/Brooks/Bacot is by far our best lineup right now. BRob off the bench to knock down a few shots and save that ankle is his best spot right now.
 
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I still think a senior Leaky will match up very well with Theo, who many like to say he is not close to. Theo as a sophomore was STRUGGLING. He didn't blossom until his senior year.

Leaky has been thrust into a leader type role as a soph. running a ton of point on top of a featured 3. If you are comparing him to Senior Theo at this point he is certainly a far cry. If it is Sophmore Theo, well Leaky stacks up just fine with that version.

I think if he stays healthy Leaky will leave as a 4 year, very productive, beloved Tarheel.

Hope youre right. To me Leaky is in no way close to as dynamic as theo. even when Theo was still trying to figure it out his errors were of aggression whereas leakys are errors of passivity. Also, athlete wise, its not close. Add to that Theos Playmaking/passing ability which was evident from day one. I think Leaky can improve and be solid, but his ceiling is much lower than Theos IMO.
 
Hope youre right. To me Leaky is in no way close to as dynamic as theo. even when Theo was still trying to figure it out his errors were of aggression whereas leakys are errors of passivity. Also, athlete wise, its not close. Add to that Theos Playmaking/passing ability which was evident from day one. I think Leaky can improve and be solid, but his ceiling is much lower than Theos IMO.
I loved how Theo developed, but he was a major disappointment as a 5 star All-American as a sophomore struggling mightily. Heck, as a soph Danny Green as well. A Kenny Williams or Luke type were called a wasted scholly as a soph by many. Leaky should be around all 4, and I think senior Leaky will be a beloved solid player.
 
I still think a senior Leaky will match up very well with Theo, who many like to say he is not close to. Theo as a sophomore was STRUGGLING. He didn't blossom until his senior year.

Leaky has been thrust into a leader type role as a soph. running a ton of point on top of a featured 3. If you are comparing him to Senior Theo at this point he is certainly a far cry. If it is Sophmore Theo, well Leaky stacks up just fine with that version.

I think if he stays healthy Leaky will leave as a 4 year, very productive, beloved Tarheel.
Exactly. Theo was a turnover machine as a Freshman/Sopf
Leaky will be fine next two years as a defender, playmaker and 4/5 option offensively.
 
I'm amazed that Caleb Ellis never got a chance at shooting guard. In his podcast interview the other day, Bacot said that Ellis is the strongest player on the team
 
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