Quick stuff (UVA game 2)...

[gary-7]

...and what a bad basketball game.

- It was obvious from the start we didn't have our legs. JJ missed the planet on his first shot attempt and JB banked a 3.

- This is a game where we especially missed Kenny Williams, for depth and defense at the very least. Theo was having a really rough night dealing with their flair cuts, plus man-bun boy was unconcious. I was hoping we'd switch JB onto him but seemingly every time Joel switched off Parentes he scored, so damned if you do, yada yada...

- If you get past the aforementioned (and another unfortunately big factor below), we played some pretty damned good defense on several sequences. Kennedy in particular was very good in Help. And Tony did maybe his best job of that tonight. As mentioned, Guy was unconcious (literally threw in two of his 3s), but we held them to 32% FGs.

- I'm just gonna say it: That "officiating" crew was absolutely pathetic. Good Lord. And it was pretty obvious on the sidelines that Roy had way more than his fill of them. I'm gonna stop before it turns into a rant, but our top-4 Bigs having a grand total of --- wait for it --- 0 (ZERO) FT attempts? And don't say we weren't pounding it inside. We were. Or hey, how about 7 of our Top-8 players with ZERO attempts (and JB had to create his)? Did they miss a few on the other end? Yeah, but suffice to say Bennett couldn't have custom-ordered a more perfect crew for what they like to perpetrate.

- Whatever the reasons, as I've emphasized before, we just can't afford empty possessions against UVA and we had them in spades tonight.

That's all I feel like messing with. Many of us suspected it would awfully difficult to take UVA up there for all the obvious reasons --- revenge game, senior night, etc, etc --- even under the best of conditions. I'll just say whether we won or lost notwithstanding, these Sat-Mon road games need to stop... yesterday. It just makes for bad, ugly basketball. Anyway, F*** this one --- let's get ready for dook!

 

[Tru Blu Tar Heel]

...and what a bad basketball game.

- It was obvious from the start we didn't have our legs. JJ missed the planet on his first shot attempt and JB banked a 3.

- This is a game where we especially missed Kenny Williams, for depth and defense at the very least. Theo was having a really rough night dealing with their flair cuts, plus man-bun boy was unconcious. I was hoping we'd switch JB onto him but seemingly every time Joel switched off Parentes he scored, so damned if you do, yada yada...

- If you get past the aforementioned (and another unfortunately big factor below), we played some pretty damned good defense on several sequences. Kennedy in particular was very good in Help. And Tony did maybe his best job of that tonight. As mentioned, Guy was unconcious (literally threw in two of his 3s), but we held them to 32% FGs.

- I'm just gonna say it: That "officiating" crew was absolutely pathetic. Good Lord. And it was pretty obvious on the sidelines that Roy had way more than his fill of them. I'm gonna stop before it turns into a rant, but our top-4 Bigs having a grand total of --- wait for it --- 0 (ZERO) FT attempts? And don't say we weren't pounding it inside. We were. Or hey, how about 7 of our Top-8 players with ZERO attempts (and JB had to create his)? Did they miss a few on the other end? Yeah, but suffice to say Bennett couldn't have custom-ordered a more perfect crew for what they like to perpetrate.

- Whatever the reasons, as I've emphasized before, we just can't afford empty possessions against UVA and we had them in spades tonight.

That's all I feel like messing with. Many of us suspected it would awfully difficult to take UVA up there for all the obvious reasons --- revenge game, senior night, etc, etc --- even under the best of conditions. I'll just say whether we won or lost notwithstanding, these Sat-Mon road games need to stop... yesterday. It just makes for bad, ugly basketball. Anyway, F*** this one --- let's get ready for dook!

Yep, head meet nail. It is over and done with. Rest up and go clinch the ACC against the dookies on Saturday.

 

[gary-7]

Yep, head meet nail. It is over and done with. Rest up and go clinch the ACC against the dookies on Saturday.

Those 5 days should come in handy for sure.

 

[FlaTarHeel]

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- I'm just gonna say it: That "officiating" crew was absolutely pathetic. Good Lord. And it was pretty obvious on the sidelines that Roy had way more than his fill of them. I'm gonna stop before it turns into a rant, but our top-4 Bigs having a grand total of --- wait for it --- 0 (ZERO) FT attempts? And don't say we weren't pounding it inside. We were. Or hey, how about 7 of our Top-8 players with ZERO attempts (and JB had to create his)? Did they miss a few on the other end? Yeah, but suffice to say Bennett couldn't have custom-ordered a more perfect crew for what they like to perpetrate.

Mike Roberts might as well be named Mike Stephens. Two turds from the same butthole.

 

[gary-7]

Mike Roberts might as well be named Mike Stephens. Two turds from the same butthole.

What's funny (or not) is that for the first minute or so I was afraid that was Stephens until they showed a close-up. Turns out it didn't matter. All three of those clowns need to go back to rec league.

 

[FlaTarHeel]

Doug Shows is an SEC guy(Kentucky homer). I have seen him enough to last a lifetime.

 

[DSouthr]

Noon top sat at Pitt to 7pm tip last night at UVa, very sluggish on offense. Felt we defended pretty well, but on offense we just were not sharp. To beat that UVa defense you have to be sharp on the offensive end to beat the doubles. UVa's hands are so active, they are looking to strip the ball so you have to pass it precise, catch it strong, and make a strong move so that the ball is not stripped and finish or kick to the open guy.

Our passing was terrible, we fumbled the catches, they stripped so much Pitino would have looked to hire them to entertain recruits. We didn't have our shooting legs and with Guy getting anything he threw up to fall in this one was going to be a hard game to get thru. Guy literally pissed in 3 treys in that first half, kid can shoot, I give him that but goodness the basketball gods were kind to him last night.

Now I don't like to talk about the refs and especially after a loss. But I guess if you are the home team looking to strip a ball everything up to about the elbow is considered part of the ball? But worse, UVa got away with as much contact to the body on a shooter as they wanted, as long as it was clean up top? Hicks didn't get away with that nor did Meeks or Tony. Our guys were literally hit with hockey like body cross checks all night and no whistle and yet the slightest body contact from us draws whistles? Many examples, a couple that stick out, nate is dribbling to the left, UVa defender literally stones him, knocks him back a step, no whistle and Nate is forced to reverse. Tony going up for a shot at the rim, momentum is moving toward the rim, yeah they got the block up top but Tony's momentum was turned in mid air back wards, impossible unless he is hit hard in the body and he was and again, no whistle. may have been Joel, on a break away, 2 UVa defenders fly over the top and Joel is decked, no call, Joel flies over the top on a break away by Guy with no contact and gets called for the foul? Same play, same thing done by defenders on both sides and yet Joel gets called for the foul and not the UVa defenders? OK, done fussing about the refs but that was really ugly and blatant...

On to the dukies...

 

[HeelFan58]

The officiating isn't gonna change because who in their right mind would want that job?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Something the announcers said made me look this up. Joel is shooting only 70% from the line over the last 10 games. For the season, he's hitting 83%. In 3 of those recent games he didn't even get to the line.

Similar picture from deep. For the season he's hitting 41%, but recently it's 38%. Still not bad. But I hope he steps back up to his earlier levels.

 

[gary-7]

Something the announcers said made me look this up. Joel is shooting only 70% from the line over the last 10 games. For the season, he's hitting 83%. In 3 of those recent games he didn't even get to the line.

Similar picture from deep. For the season he's hitting 41%, but recently it's 38%. Still not bad. But I hope he steps back up to his earlier levels.

The FT shooting concerns me. He was automatic earlier in the season and last season.

Of course, it could be that he can't get into a rhythm. Hell, these days it's probably a shock to his system when he actually gets to go to the damned line. The no-call garbage is reaching the point of absurdity.

 

[Archer2]

UVA shot 8 FT's, as did we. Yes, the officials could have, and probably should have called 3 times that many fouls. But they didn't and that's not why we lost. We lost because we played very poorly. Isaiah is in a big funk and Joel is struggling a bit with his shot. If both of those issues don't get ironed out, our chances of winning it all are slim.

 

[gary-7]

UVA shot 8 FT's, as did we. Yes, the officials could have, and probably should have called 3 times that many fouls. But they didn't and that's not why we lost. We lost because we played very poorly. Isaiah is in a big funk and Joel is struggling a bit with his shot. If both of those issues don't get ironed out, our chances of winning it all are slim.

As I posted we didn't have our legs and we played like crap, but that being said, do not slough off that horrible, amateurish officiating job. We were pounding the paint on entries and drives. UVA was not to any great extent. The number of FTs there is absolutely not an indicator of a fairly called game, in any size, shape or form. Also not sure why you would point at Joel in this game. Barking up the wrong tree.

 

[gobblercalls]

UVA shot 8 FT's, as did we. Yes, the officials could have, and probably should have called 3 times that many fouls. But they didn't and that's not why we lost. We lost because we played very poorly. Isaiah is in a big funk and Joel is struggling a bit with his shot. If both of those issues don't get ironed out, our chances of winning it all are slim.

Same # of fouls but the teams played completely different styles of defense. How can anybody say with certainty that the game wasn't decided because of the officiating? Play was definitely affected by the officiating, as it is in every game. Our team plays offense and defense a certain way. UVa. plays a different style. The officials allowed UVa. to play their style at the extreme, not just the normal. Could that affect the outcome of a game? Sure it could. Did it? I guess everybody has their opinion but mine is that the officiating heavily influenced the outcome of the game. I do not believe that UNC has the type of team that can beat good teams that are allowed to get as physical as UVa. was allowed to be last night. Not many teams could.

 

[Archer2]

As I posted we didn't have our legs and we played like crap, but that being said, do not slough off that horrible, amateurish officiating job. We were pounding the paint on entries and drives. UVA was not to any great extent. The number of FTs there is absolutely not an indicator of a fairly called game, in any size, shape or form. Also not sure why you would point at Joel in this game. Barking up the wrong tree.

First, I said Joel is struggling a bit with his shot, I didn't single out this one game. Over the last half dozen games, Joel is 29-71 on FG's(40.8%). Over those same 6 games, he is 14-38 from long distance(36.8%). For the year, he is shooting 44.5% from the field and 40.9% from behind the arc. So I think it's fair to say he's struggling with his shot a bit.

I know you love Joel but when you rush to defend him every time someone says anything remotely critical of him, it undermines your credibility. I love the guy too but he's human and he has his good days and some that aren't so good. Fortunately, he continues to defend well, even when his shot isn't falling. We're very fortunate to have him but we need him to regain his shooting eye down the stretch, especially with Isaiah struggling badly.

 

[pinecreek]

You'll get it back on Saturday from officials. Don't worry.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

You'll get it back on Saturday from officials. Don't worry.

I think I speak for the board when I say that we truly appreciate your stopping by with this insightful comment. You have raised the level of discourse to a plateau that will be difficult to exceed. We certainly hope that you stick around to provide more of this remarkable commentary.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

One word........................

UGLY!

12 1st half turnovers. Ridiculous! Couldn't throw it in the ocean 2nd half. Legs? Maybe so.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

You'll get it back on Saturday from officials. Don't worry.

I'd ban your sorry butt but this may be fun.

 

[Prof C]

Compared to last season, Joel has not really improved statistically except for PPG (14.7 vs. 12.8) and 3pt% (40.9% vs. 38.2%). His assists remain at 3.8 per game. Everything else is either the same or down.

I would really like to see him drive and dish more often, rather than drive and try to make a difficult shot while getting hacked. For whatever reason officials are not calling those fouls on his drives. Maybe his reputation as a tough-as-nails player feeds into the officials minds and they won't blow the whistle unless blood is drawn.

 

[pinecreek]

I am agreeing with everyone that says the reffing at home is usually in favor of the home team. It does affect the outcome at times.

 

[Prof C]

And I agree with Archer's post in that Joel is struggling a bit with his shot. Earlier in the season, he was pretty much automatic on his 3s.

 

[FlaTarHeel]

As I posted we didn't have our legs and we played like crap, but that being said, do not slough off that horrible, amateurish officiating job. We were pounding the paint on entries and drives. UVA was not to any great extent. The number of FTs there is absolutely not an indicator of a fairly called game, in any size, shape or form.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Archer2]

I agree that the number of FT's isn't a very accurate indicator of how fairly a particular game was officiated. My point was that the low number of FT's does indicate that the refs were letting the players play. It's up to the players to adjust to the way the game is being called.

Fact of the matter is we turned the ball over too many times, shot poorly from the field, and allowed a role player to light us up from outside. That's on us, not the refs.

 

[FlaTarHeel]

I agree that the number of FT's isn't a very accurate indicator of how fairly a particular game was officiated. My point was that the low number of FT's does indicate that the refs were letting the players play. It's up to the players to adjust to the way the game is being called.

Fact of the matter is we turned the ball over too many times, shot poorly from the field, and allowed a role player to light us up from outside. That's on us, not the refs.

No doubt about those points.
But make sure to include that officiating on the road in college athletics is criminal at times. And there's really no excuse for it.

Call the obvious fouls.

 

[Archer2]

Officiating in college basketball is criminal every game, home or away. Ineptitude is the order of the day.

 

[FlaTarHeel]

Officiating in college basketball is criminal every game, home or away. Ineptitude is the order of the day.

Not always.

I can take a loss with no problem if the refs aren't involved in giving one team an advantage over another.

They were not the sole reason we lost last night , but they were involved too the point we lost our composure, and it really killed our advantage inside.

It's unfair to away an advantage for either team.

It's as if they felt sorry for UVA after what we did to them 10 days ago and allowed ungodly fouls on our bigs, as well as the body checks that looked like hedging.

 

[dadika13]

Losses like this can sometimes benefit a team long term. We had won a lot of good games lately and we need to get punched in the mouth to get our guys focused again for the stretch run. Also, losing on the road on a Monday after being on the road Saturday is not shocking at all.

Still love this team, still think we're the favs to cut down the nets.

 

[tarheel0910]

@Archer2 is winning this thread so far.

 

[UNC Blue Hup]

Losses like this can sometimes benefit a team long term. We had won a lot of good games lately and we need to get punched in the mouth to get our guys focused again for the stretch run. Also, losing on the road on a Monday after being on the road Saturday is not shocking at all.

Still love this team, still think we're the favs to cut down the nets.

Finally--I can agree with one of your posts! Woooooo! Atta boy!

 

[gary-7]

First, I said Joel is struggling a bit with his shot, I didn't single out this one game. Over the last half dozen games, Joel is 29-71 on FG's(40.8%). Over those same 6 games, he is 14-38 from long distance(36.8%). For the year, he is shooting 44.5% from the field and 40.9% from behind the arc. So I think it's fair to say he's struggling with his shot a bit.

I know you love Joel but when you rush to defend him every time someone says anything remotely critical of him, it undermines your credibility. I love the guy too but he's human and he has his good days and some that aren't so good. Fortunately, he continues to defend well, even when his shot isn't falling. We're very fortunate to have him but we need him to regain his shooting eye down the stretch, especially with Isaiah struggling badly.

Didn't rush to defend anything. He was most of our offense Monday (not that that's saying much, but still) which is what I thought you were referring to --- which would be the logical conclusion considering he was 4-9 from 3 up at Pitt Saturday. As for misses from closer in, at some point one would think he'd be going to the FT line when he ends up on the floor instead of being chalked up with a missed shot, but unfortunately he has no control over that.

Now, if you're referring to the recent stretch of games, yes, I would like to see JB get that stroke back in gear. I suspect it may have something to do with the physical toll that's been taken. JB has been defending like a rabid dog, and taking a pounding in the paint to boot. Hopefully 5 days rest will help get the sharp edge back.

 

[soap - new and improved]

The FT shooting concerns me. He was automatic earlier in the season and last season.

Of course, it could be that he can't get into a rhythm. Hell, these days it's probably a shock to his system when he actually gets to go to the damned line. The no-call garbage is reaching the point of absurdity.

Look no further than Brian Kersey, the bastard love-child of Karl Hess and Lenny Wirtz. Kersey has always hated UNC and now that he is at the top of the ACC Zebra Corps he is laughing his azz off every day. That move by the ACC proves out the formula corruption+incompetence=promotion.

Not always.

I can take a loss with no problem if the refs aren't involved in giving one team an advantage over another.

They were not the sole reason we lost last night , but they were involved too the point we lost our composure, and it really killed our advantage inside.

It's unfair to away an advantage for either team.

It's as if they felt sorry for UVA after what we did to them 10 days ago and allowed ungodly fouls on our bigs, as well as the body checks that looked like hedging.

Same frikken thing happened when we played the woofies in Raw-Lee. Refs dogged us and we STILL won by 24. We would have beaten them by 50+ again had the refs not been taking a dive for the wolp fack.

 

[FlaTarHeel]

Still love this team, still think we're the favs to cut down the nets.

 

[gauchoheel]

"Still love this team, still think we're the favs to cut down the nets."

Agreed. Sloppy game, but not worried about this team. Fortunately we don't have any more road games this season.

 

[soap - new and improved]

You'll get it back on Saturday from officials. Don't worry.

Yeah, dipshit, We got it all right - Straight up the Wazoo! Dook GIFTED with 18 FTs more than we got, in OUR HOUSE, on Senior Day. Scroo those guys, and the refs they rode in on!