Race
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NASCAR has really fallen off the Earth. I remember when "the race" was the talk of the town. Now, it's like it doesn't exist. I never cared for it anyway though. Martinsville Speedway has some kickass hot dogs, by the way.
The worst thing is when you take a mast slider out of its track and all the ball bearings fall out of the race. You're never gonna find all of those, and half of 'em probably went overboard. Really gotta be careful with that.
I guess it's going to be about cars since @truetarheelraider0806 and @dadika13 appear to not want to talk about race like they claim to want to.
Don't get so asinine. Now tell me why isn't it about race? What are your points on the subject because I believe svg has a point
Because the owners didn't create it to hold down black people. The owners created it as a minor league system to save themselves money. Can you provide any proof that the owners had any racial motivation in mind when they did it?
Don't be racist; racism is a crime; and crime is for black people.
Again I never said they did all I am saying is it is worth discussing. Why is that you can go NHL right out of highschool, tennis, golf, baseball, soccer any sport but the two sports where over 70% of the participants are non white? Maybe racism isn't involved but it is a good question. Then again maybe race is involved after all Colin still can't get an NFL gig remember the Dallas 14? I think race plays more of a role than people might want to acknowledge. We don't bring it up because it makes us uncomfortable. And we don't like being uncomfortable.
The only sport out of all of those I follow is baseball, so that's the one I will address. Baseball is completely different because of the farm system. They have an excellent system in place to evaluate and develop talent at a cheap price. The NBA doesn't have anything in place like that (sorry but the G league is pathetic).
I'm not getting how it's a good question when there is no reason to think it is actually involved. Please enlighten me.
The Colin situation isn't about race.
I'll acknowledge it when you put forth an argument that actually shows race might be involved. You haven't done so yet. All you've stated is that these guys might be racist because they don't want to draft people before a year of college. How exactly does that make them racist?
Doesn't make me uncomfortable at all.
There are only three reasons why Gundy would bring it up:
1. He doesn't understand the history of the rule
2. He's trying to score points with his players
3. He's a moron
Kaepernick doesn't have a job because defenses figured him out and now he's not an effective QB PLUS he would be a media circus, and no NFL owner/coach/team wants that for a backup QB.
It's the exact same reason Tebow stopped getting signed by teams. Exact same. Same with Michael Sam. If Kaepernick was Aaron Rodgers-level good, teams would fall all over themselves to sign him.
Also LOL at the OAD rule being "racist."
It's the exact same reason Tebow stopped getting signed by teams. Exact same. Same with Michael Sam. If Kaepernick was Aaron Rodgers-level good, teams would fall all over themselves to sign him.
Also LOL at the OAD rule being "racist."
It's because they stripped away every aspect of NASCAR that made it worth watching. NASCAR's appeal was it was a bunch of good ol' boys racing and the dude who could compile a crew that could work the best magic on a car.... well that driver was probably going to win. And the races were on authentic tracks in authentic NASCAR country (North Wilkesboro, Rockingham etc. etc.).
Now it's........... over-commercialized sterility on tracks in stupid ass places (California, really?), overly polished media-conscious drivers, in cars that are now truly stock because they're the exact damn same. No advantages allowed.
I'm all in on this thread. Let's talk about the double standard that exists in race and race relations. Hell, let's keep it confined just to sports.
- Let's talk about how reverse racist (and stupid) the Rooney Rule is.
- Let's talk about how we're mostly only allowed to put white players on the annual "most hated players in college basketball history" lists that come out.
- Let's talk about how we still feel the need in 2018 to specifically note when so-and-so coach or player does something that he's "the first African-American to do _____"
- Let's talk about how thinly veiled it is that when folks say "we need more minority coaches/ownership in sports" they just mean black, even though blacks aren't the biggest minority group in the nation, nor is it close.
- Let's talk about "self-fulfilling" racial prophecies in sports. Specifically, if you're a baseball player and your black, they're going to stick you in the outfield and not let you play in the infield, especially catcher. You MAY get to pitch, but that's it. Similarly, if you're white and agile and fast, they're not going to let you play corner. They're going to stick you at slot receiver, scat back, or MAYBE if you can lay the wood, they'll let you play linebacker.
The fact that Stan Van Gundy thinks the OAD rule is racist proves he's a bigger moron than I originally thought.
I'll talk about it over there if it is relevant to the topic. I actually thought the guy who brought up the race issue about going to duke back in the day and it not having the cool factor was relevant. It's not relevant when talking about the OAD rule.
Not an effective qb? His td Int ration is better than bottles, Cutler, our own trubisky, garrappolo just to name a few don't give me that crap it's because he took a stand and you know it.
I'm sure it was autocorrect, but I can't help but reference this show anytime I have the opportunity
The red x show?
I'm sure it was autocorrect, but I can't help but reference this show anytime I have the opportunity
I fixed it, second time that happened to me today. Looked fine in the preview.
ETA: both times it happened were in this thread actually. The man is trying to keep me down from my important poastings about race!
I know and Bortles is a starting qb... let that sink in edit: i really hate auto correct
I'm sure it was autocorrect, but I can't help but reference this show anytime I have the opportunity
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Trubisky and Garoppolo shouldn't really be included in the discussion because of their limited expierence as starters. Bortles was already under contract. They aren't going to cut him and take the salary cap hit to sign a QB who doesn't fit the system they have. Taking a stand (or a knee) is different than not signing him because he's black. And I think what @TarHeelNation11 was getting at was that his talent isn't great enough to deal with the attention he would bring. If he had the talent of someone like Wilson then someone would sign him.
Sooo then why didn't the NFL say that instead of phrases like oh he needs to tell me he wants to play football. Or well he is gonna demand starting pay without having talked to man. Weak. Everyone knows the real reason he is being black balled and talent isn't it. Freaking Jay Cutler signed with a team he who sits out because he has a splinter in his thumb...
So what would you have preferred them to say? We aren't going to sign the guy because we don't want to deal with all of his baggage and that includes him calling cops pigs? They don't say that kind of stuff. They didn't say it about Tebow either and last time I checked, he's white. If you want to talk about racism in the NFL then a better discussion to put forth would be how black QB's are still perceived as running QB's.
No lol, "everyone" doesn't know the real reason is because he was "black balled."
The dude. can't. play. Listen to any talent evaluator out there you want, be it Chris Landry or whoever. Kaep can't read defenses. He can only read one half of the field. He cannot go through progressions.
He played in San Francisco, the most liberal place in the country, a place that worshiped Barry Bonds. And yet San Fran didn't re-sign him.... because he's not good.
Plenty of other folks took/take stands and yet they're still playing or coaching, because they can actually play/coach (well, except Mike Tomlin. He can't coach). It ain't about being black. It's because his level of skill doesn't outweigh the media attention he brings.
Same kind of deal with that punter Chris Kluwe (sp) who likes to talk politics all the time. He got cut because a punter isn't worth the media headache.
Ok if you don't believe he wasn't black balled because if the stand he took and color of his skin good on you and God bless
He's already admitted that the stand he took has an impact on him not being signed. See below.
I have no problem with him taking a stand like he did but it because he sucks (was just terrible his final year) and because he was critical of his bosses and there is a circus that surrounds him (whether that is his fault or the media's is irrelevant). Also, he had a chance to play and turned it down so I think he kind of likes where he is at tbh.
I'm pretty liberal and definitely liberal on most social issues but the G League being racist doesn't even make sense. I haven't seen anyone explain why either. If anything, it gives guys a chance to play basketball for money while they develop where they wouldn't have had that chance before. The OAD is simply in place because owners got tired of wasting their money on dudes who ended up being terrible. It was a pretty simple economic decision. Comparing it to golf and tennis and baseball makes no sense. Football maybe but that wouldn't support your argument I don't believe.
The stand he took, which in itself was undermined by his idiotic girlfriend and his unwillingness to vote.
How’s that persecution complex going for you?
Colin and other players have stated that Colin pretty much was the sacrificial lamb, also the league did everything in it's power to squelch the black players from standing kneeling. Now I can see how it would offend some mericans in merica, being s vet myself. I however found no issue with it and believe I defended his right to protest. Just me though. Also now you have news anchors telling g our b-ball players shut up and dribble when they take a stand. Yeah racism is dead and gone rolls eyes
I have no persecution complex I served I believe he has a right to vote or not vote he isn't some illegal immigrant he has a right to voice his opinion. I served from 01-05 0311was my mos. Believee I am not a persecution complex seeker. Just think race is involved that's my opinion and a lot of others and I can see both sides and have. I will admit as a people we as blacks don't do ourselves any favors especially with language, Grammer, dress we can and should do better
If you DO believe it is purely due to his race and beliefs, then bless your heart.
As much stigma as black QBs get, it's not like NFL GMs won't draft them in the first round, with a Top 5 pick (Cam Newton, RGIII, Akili Smith, Donovan McNabb, et al). They do exactly that when the situation merits. So the skin color argument doesn't hold water.
BTW, here's Kaep's combine scouting report: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/colin-kaepernick?id=2495186
Here's an article discussing that Kaep was third string on the 49ers and this is a week or two BEFORE it was discovered that he was kneeling during the national anthem: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ing-deep-balls-but-his-future-is-still-murky/
And then, later that season, AFTER he was discovered kneeling and AFTER it had been a national story for a whole 5 weeks, he earned his starting role back mid-season in October 2016. Guess what he did? He sucked, and was benched again.
Timeline:
- Drafted 2011
- Took 49ers to Super Bowl in 2012 season
- 2015: started regressing. Was eventually replaced by Blaine Gabbert at QB1 during the season.
- 2016: starts season as third-string QB.
- 2016: pre-season and then into regular season weeks 1 and 2, controversy over Kapernick kneeling during anthem comes to light.
- 2016, mid-October, Kaep gains his starting job back. But wait.... how could that be? I thought he was blackballed.
- 2016, mid-October, 49ers and Kaepernick re-structure his contract to a 2-year deal with an option for the next year.
- 2016, December, Week 13: Kaepernick throws for a career low 4 yards before getting benched for Gabbert again.
- 2017, spring: Kaepernick opts out of his contract with the 49ers, making him a free agent.
- 2017, summer and into pre-season, no teams sign him. Ravens flirt with doing so, but don't.
He. Forgot. How. To. Play.
He started sucking, and once he started sucking, his political baggage made him the exact opposite of a hot commodity for any team to sign. It's not rocket science.
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