Rashad mcCants has written a book

[uncboy10]

Gave 4 years, you will not tell me how to feel or what my emotions should be. How about that? You see it your way, I see it mine.

I didn't tell you how to feel. I told you my opinion of how you feel. You will not tell me not to give my opinion about how you feel. How about that?

 

[TarHeelBorn1990]

With all due respect, I find it rather interesting that you fail to remember that protest outside of these police departments happened and the majority just shrugged and kept it moving. The bs "Blue Lives Matter" campaign was created as a counter. So, you must really be pissed at the NFL for charging the military for military day. You must also hate to see Old Glory being sprawled out like a picnic blanket during game day in direct violation of the flag codes. And, I am certain that outrage is also on display when you come in contact with individuals who wear the flag as a piece of clothing (bikinis, bandannas, tshirts, shorts, etc.) for that is a clear violation of the flag codes as well. If we are all AMERICANS as you stated, you would understand the peaceful protest and not let some 5 time draft dodging moron and his draft dodging colleagues twist a peaceful way to get attention to a tragedy that may not happen in YOUR community as often in your fellow AMERICANS community. Here is a challenge; ask yourself why various mass murders who just happen to be white males are brought in for "justice" while non whites are killed for turn infractions, loose cigarette sells, possessing a gun while having a gun permit in a open carry state or just holding an air rifle in Walmart. By the way, thanks for your service.

I can appreciate your willingness to ask hard questions and would like to respond to your last set about the comparison of whites vs POC police shootings. I am a statistics guy and went to a database supplied to us from the Washington Post and found some numbers interesting.

So let's first break down the population of the united states:

1. Whites make up 72% of the population
2. African Americans make up 12.6% of the population
3. Hispanics or Latinos make up about 16.3% of the population

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?noredirect=on

Now lets break down police shootings, so far for the year 2018:

679 people have been shot and killed by the police. Of those we have race data for 498 of the victims. From the demographics we know:

52% (261) were white, meaning that 72% of the population makes up for 52% of the fatal shootings

24% (121) were african american, meaning that 12% of the population makes up for 24% of the fatal shootings

19% (94) were hispanic or latino, meaning that 16% of the population makes up for 19% of shootings.

When we break it down to unarmed people

34 cases where the victims were confirmed as unarmed (7%)

Of the unarmed cases 17 were white (50%), 72% of the population accounts for 50% of unarmed fatalities

13 were african american (34%), 12% of the population accounts for 34% of unarmed fatalities

4 were hispanic (11.7%), 16% of population accounts for 11.7% of unarmed fatalities

Of those shot that were fleeing the scene there were 14 people unarmed and fleeing the scene (which is an important statistic):

7 were white (50%)
6 were african american (43%)
1 was hispanic (7%)

Now if we were to control for those that fled the scene here is what we come up with.

20 cases where people were unarmed and not fleeing the scene (which would be were biases would manifest themselves IMHO):

10 were white (50%)
7 were african americans (35%)
3 were hispanics (15%)

Even in these 20 cases, there is not a report on this database about how many were exhibiting violent behavior, which would be an important measure.

If we were to use percentages, it would be highly misleading as there are only 20 cases were biases could manifest themselves based on race. That is 20 out of 498 race reported (4%) of fatalities. I think that 20 is a very generous number considering the fact that the measure of violent activity against the police is not a measure in the database.

It is my opinion that if 4% of all fatal police shootings could be subject to bias, that the police are overall doing a good job, and that before we jump to conclusions based off percentages, we need to look at sample sizes.

That being said, I always feel it in my heart when someone does go down, and mistakes are certainly made. I won't even deny that some of the numbers from this database could indicate bias (more nuanced discussion needed), and certainly would understand if it was my son or daughter who fell victim and have a need to protest. I respect that right to protest, even if it is annoying for me, or something that I disagree with.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

I didn't tell you how to feel. I told you my opinion of how you feel. You will not tell me not to give my opinion about how you feel. How about that?

Keep it up.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

I can appreciate your willingness to ask hard questions and would like to respond to your last set about the comparison of whites vs POC police shootings. I am a statistics guy and went to a database supplied to us from the Washington Post and found some numbers interesting.

So let's first break down the population of the united states:

1. Whites make up 72% of the population
2. African Americans make up 12.6% of the population
3. Hispanics or Latinos make up about 16.3% of the population

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?noredirect=on

Now lets break down police shootings, so far for the year 2018:

679 people have been shot and killed by the police. Of those we have race data for 498 of the victims. From the demographics we know:

52% (261) were white, meaning that 72% of the population makes up for 52% of the fatal shootings

24% (121) were african american, meaning that 12% of the population makes up for 24% of the fatal shootings

19% (94) were hispanic or latino, meaning that 16% of the population makes up for 19% of shootings.

When we break it down to unarmed people

34 cases where the victims were confirmed as unarmed (7%)

Of the unarmed cases 17 were white (50%), 72% of the population accounts for 50% of unarmed fatalities

13 were african american (34%), 12% of the population accounts for 34% of unarmed fatalities

4 were hispanic (11.7%), 16% of population accounts for 11.7% of unarmed fatalities

Of those shot that were fleeing the scene there were 14 people unarmed and fleeing the scene (which is an important statistic):

7 were white (50%)
6 were african american (43%)
1 was hispanic (7%)

Now if we were to control for those that fled the scene here is what we come up with.

20 cases where people were unarmed and not fleeing the scene (which would be were biases would manifest themselves IMHO):

10 were white (50%)
7 were african americans (35%)
3 were hispanics (15%)

Even in these 20 cases, there is not a report on this database about how many were exhibiting violent behavior, which would be an important measure.

If we were to use percentages, it would be highly misleading as there are only 20 cases were biases could manifest themselves based on race. That is 20 out of 498 race reported (4%) of fatalities. I think that 20 is a very generous number considering the fact that the measure of violent activity against the police is not a measure in the database.

It is my opinion that if 4% of all fatal police shootings could be subject to bias, that the police are overall doing a good job, and that before we jump to conclusions based off percentages, we need to look at sample sizes.

That being said, I always feel it in my heart when someone does go down, and mistakes are certainly made. I won't even deny that some of the numbers from this database could indicate bias (more nuanced discussion needed), and certainly would understand if it was my son or daughter who fell victim and have a need to protest. I respect that right to protest, even if it is annoying for me, or something that I disagree with.

Facts! Very best post I've seen on this.

 

[BillyL]

Rashad McNuts wrote a book . . . ? Is this a joke . . ?

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Rashad McNuts wrote a book . . . ? Is this a joke . . ?

He had help, Mary & J.

 

[strummingram]

Interesting title and cover art (if you click the image, it enlarges):

 

[TarHeelBorn1990]

Interesting title and cover art (if you click the image, it enlarges):

Wow, just wow. Blatant reference to Roy Williams.

 

[BillyL]

He had help, Mary & J.

LOL . . I actually would believe that to be true. I guess those 2 are still trying so very hard to still be relevant. Scumbags that all 3 of them truly are . .

 

[strummingram]

Wow, just wow. Blatant reference to Roy Williams.

More than just Roy Williams!

The whole antebellum theme is blatant. I hope he isn't implying that only BLACK athletes are being exploited.

 

[uncboy10]

More than just Roy Williams!

The whole antebellum theme is blatant. I hope he isn't implying that only BLACK athletes are being exploited.

Comparing the exploitation of college athletes to slavery is just plain stupid, regardless of racial implications.

 

[coryfly]

I don't think anyone is buying this book. There seems to be no pub at all regarding this thing. Poor McCants. Loved watching that dude but he is so in his own head.

 

[tarheel0910]

I don't think anyone is buying this book. There seems to be no pub at all regarding this thing. Poor McCants. Loved watching that dude but he is so in his own head.

I'm sure plenty of moo fans will buy it.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Anyone who thinks kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful to soldiers, has a remarkably thin appreciation for the values this nation was founded upon.

I agree with this. I also would add that anyone who thinks kneeling during the anthem will do anything to effect change on how police treat various people is equally naive.

 

[Terror Beard]

It's ok to be killed unarmed and no threat to anyone in your world I guess.

Here is a challenge; ask yourself why various mass murders who just happen to be white males are brought in for "justice" while non whites are killed for turn infractions, loose cigarette sells, possessing a gun while having a gun permit in a open carry state or just holding an air rifle in Walmart. By the way, thanks for your service.

 

[Terror Beard]

I didn't tell you how to feel. I told you my opinion of how you feel. You will not tell me not to give my opinion about how you feel. How about that?

But he can ban you. But you already know that. I suspect that's why you're having this discussion with Mike instead of @heelbent. lol

 

[Terror Beard]

I can appreciate your willingness to ask hard questions and would like to respond to your last set about the comparison of whites vs POC police shootings. I am a statistics guy and went to a database supplied to us from the Washington Post and found some numbers interesting.

So let's first break down the population of the united states:

1. Whites make up 72% of the population
2. African Americans make up 12.6% of the population
3. Hispanics or Latinos make up about 16.3% of the population

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?noredirect=on

Now lets break down police shootings, so far for the year 2018:

679 people have been shot and killed by the police. Of those we have race data for 498 of the victims. From the demographics we know:

52% (261) were white, meaning that 72% of the population makes up for 52% of the fatal shootings

24% (121) were african american, meaning that 12% of the population makes up for 24% of the fatal shootings

19% (94) were hispanic or latino, meaning that 16% of the population makes up for 19% of shootings.

When we break it down to unarmed people

34 cases where the victims were confirmed as unarmed (7%)

Of the unarmed cases 17 were white (50%), 72% of the population accounts for 50% of unarmed fatalities

13 were african american (34%), 12% of the population accounts for 34% of unarmed fatalities

4 were hispanic (11.7%), 16% of population accounts for 11.7% of unarmed fatalities

Of those shot that were fleeing the scene there were 14 people unarmed and fleeing the scene (which is an important statistic):

7 were white (50%)
6 were african american (43%)
1 was hispanic (7%)

Now if we were to control for those that fled the scene here is what we come up with.

20 cases where people were unarmed and not fleeing the scene (which would be were biases would manifest themselves IMHO):

10 were white (50%)
7 were african americans (35%)
3 were hispanics (15%)

Even in these 20 cases, there is not a report on this database about how many were exhibiting violent behavior, which would be an important measure.

If we were to use percentages, it would be highly misleading as there are only 20 cases were biases could manifest themselves based on race. That is 20 out of 498 race reported (4%) of fatalities. I think that 20 is a very generous number considering the fact that the measure of violent activity against the police is not a measure in the database.

It is my opinion that if 4% of all fatal police shootings could be subject to bias, that the police are overall doing a good job, and that before we jump to conclusions based off percentages, we need to look at sample sizes.

That being said, I always feel it in my heart when someone does go down, and mistakes are certainly made. I won't even deny that some of the numbers from this database could indicate bias (more nuanced discussion needed), and certainly would understand if it was my son or daughter who fell victim and have a need to protest. I respect that right to protest, even if it is annoying for me, or something that I disagree with.

Great post.

 

[uncboy10]

But he can ban you. But you already know that. I suspect that's why you're having this discussion with Mike instead of @heelbent. lol

Sure he can. But he doesn't seem like the type to ban people just because they disagree with him on politics. I'm not going to tread lightly around certain posters just because they have mod privileges.

 

[uncboy10]

I agree with this. I also would add that anyone who thinks kneeling during the anthem will do anything to effect change on how police treat various people is equally naive.

I can agree with that. I would even argue that these specific protests have a good chance of making things worse. I wish there was more pragmatism, and less idealism when it comes to social issues. I think the people who treat others badly because they kneel during the anthem are scum, but I'm also realistic about the fact that there's a really good chance of that happening if you kneel during the anthem.

Should we all listen/engage with the actual message instead of fixating on how he offended some symbolic act of patriotic expression? Yes. Is that going to happen? Zero chance.

....

If someone had ever asked me to quit baseball in the name of some political cause, they would have gotten a strong GFY. I don't think Kaepernick necessarily realized that he was going to jeopardize his career, but I do respect the fact that he has made a personal sacrifice for what he believes in. We need more of that from both sides.

Is it the same kind of sacrifice that Pat Tillman made? Hell no. But if that's the standard we're going to set, then 99.9999% of the population will never know a damn thing about sacrifice.

 

[strummingram]

I agree with this. I also would add that anyone who thinks kneeling during the anthem will do anything to effect change on how police treat various people is equally naive.

But, it will have an impact. It is having an impact.

 

[BillyL]

But he can ban you. But you already know that. I suspect that's why you're having this discussion with Mike instead of @heelbent. lol

The thing that I most admire and respect about UNCBoy10, is that he doesn't have to hide behind another made up screen name . . . unlike a few folks here that had to crawl, and I do mean crawl to that level.

What say ye, @gunslingerdick . . ? You still around . . ? Or did you self ban yo'self again . . ?

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

But, it will have an impact. It is having an impact.

Oh it’s certainly having an impact. It’s just not an impact on reducing what they’re protesting against, that’s all.

 

[Terror Beard]

The thing that I most admire and respect about UNCBoy10, is that he doesn't have to hide behind another made up screen name . . . unlike a few folks here that had to crawl, and I do mean crawl to that level.

What say ye, @gunslingerdick . . ? You still around . . ? Or did you self ban yo'self again . . ?

Why do you have such a hard on for this @gunslingerdick fellow?

 

[mikeirbyusa]

If you REALLY don't want to hide, put your real name out there.

 

[tarheel0910]

If you REALLY don't want to hide, put your real name out there.

Most of the OOTB posters have over the years. I'm not scared of these fools.

 

[uncboy10]

If you REALLY don't want to hide, put your real name out there.

I'm Matt. Nice to meet ya Mike. Trust me, if I could change my username it would have happened long before now.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Matt, as in short for Matthew?

 

[uncboy10]

Matt, as in short for Matthew?

Yep. But I’m not sure I like where you’re going with this

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Yep. But I’m not sure I like where you’re going with this

Not going anywhere. Known some Matt's who weren't Matthews.

 

[BillyL]

I'm Arthur, Arthur McFukle . . most folks call me Artie.