No kidding. I saw your poast so I checked out some highlights myself. I like this guy.
I really think the grad transfer program can be our answer to being left out of the OAD circles.
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No kidding. I saw your poast so I checked out some highlights myself. I like this guy.
I really think the grad transfer program can be our answer to being left out of the OAD circles.
Honestly, I think most of the problems we are going thru right now is more due to the fact we lost 2 very experienced bigs and the guy that was slated to be our starting center this season leaving with an extremely inexperienced front court. When these guys are able to develop skill wise and with our S/C program we can win with the guys we got.
I think Brooks will be fine next season. But as you point out, he's not really a center. So if we want someone in the post, it should be Manley or Huff or a new player.
I can’t figure out what Brooks does we’ll. I see the potential for Manley to be a good rim protector and garbage man around the basket. He has a nice touch and shoots FTs well (which obviously means he will eventually be a good 3 point shooter @pln2013). But I don’t see what Brooks is ever going to be good at.
Brooks plays a smooth, controlled game with few mistakes. He has a good shooting touch (best on the team from 2-point range, in fact, and most aren't dunks).
He isn't big enough this year, but I'm betting next year he will be more aggressive and won't have the ball ripped out of his hands. He will lose that freshman tentativeness and be quicker to rebounds. Just guessing, of course.
On a 40-minute basis his scoring and rebounding numbers look a lot like Theo's. Sure Theo does other important things and plays a different role. But Theo is a senior and Garrison is a freshman. So being similar to Theo in those ways isn't too shabby.
Somebody has to be the "worst" guy in any starting lineup. And maybe Garrison is that. Especially now that he isn't starting. But I think he's doing a good job for us. Compare his freshman 40-min numbers with some other guys as freshmen. Worse than Brice, better than Hicks, similar to Luke.
The question I hope to see answered next year is what his ceiling looks like. I really can't tell now. I don't expect him to become a star, but I think he'll be a solid contributor for us.
No, Bradley was a good recruit. Seventh Woods and Robinson were overrated from the beginning. No idea how someone can sit there and with a straight face tell me Woods and Robinson were like top 60 recruits by ESPN. Both would be borderline UNC players in past years, especially B Rob
Rechon Black is like B Rob. My old HS played against him multiple times and I've seen him play 10+ times and he has little to no business being at UNC. Coby White is cold though.
Not every player is starter material, some are bench players/contributors. B Robinson (6'5" with 6'9.5" wingspan"), Rechon Black (6'7" plus with PG skills will probably play multiple positions) and Seventh Woods (combo guard who will likely mainly be the backup PG) all seem like quality reserves to me that would fit in well on past UNC teams as the 7-8 players in the rotation.
The problem we are seeing this year is that this team has too many reserve type players. I only see two players in the starting five that would have a chance to start on most Roy Williams teams.
Assuming you're counting Berry and Theo as the 2 --- perhaps he wouldn't've had the ability to demonstrate his abilities, but the current version of Maye would start in the majority of years.
I agree broadly, though.
If I see one more ridiculous mention to a per 40 stat line....it’s the most ridiculous metric I see used on this board by a few folks. Look at Huffman’s per 40 and tell me how realistic that is. Dude is huge and hasn’t been playing basketball a long time but I’m not sure he even knows he’s playing basketball sometimes. Just an example but does anybody here think he would average 18 pts and 17 rebounds ever? Because that’s what his per 40 would look like. Or our man Kane Ma who moved up from JV. His per 40 is 20 ppg. Please stop the use of that metric. It’s trash.
Brooks is who he is. He will get better but we can’t count on players of his caliber to keep us among the elite.
Brooks is who he is. He will get better but we can’t count on players of his caliber to keep us among the elite.
I can assure you B Rob and Woods wouldn't sniff the 8 man rotation on the Hansbrough teams or even the Zeller, Barnes, Henson, Marshall teams...
Will Graves was the 8th man in the rotation (according to mpg) for the 2008-2009 Championship team. He averaged 4 ppg, 2.5 rpg (27% from 3) in over 11 mpg. He also averaged 1.2 TOs per game which is high for so little time.
PJ Hairston was the 8th man (according to mpg) on the 2011-2012 team that lost in the EE to Kansas. He averaged 5.7 ppg and 2.2 rpg in 13 mpg. That's not bad until you see that he shot 30% from the field and 27% from behind the arc.
2017-2018
Seventh - 2.5 ppg, 1.7 apg, 35% FG, .7 TOs per, 11 mpg (before injury)
BRob - 2.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 39% FG, .6 TOs per, 10 mpg
I don't see a big difference. Especially when I'd say that Seventh is a much better defender right now than Graves or PJ ever were.
That is probably true, I still take issue with the OP saying those players lack the talent to play at UNC.
Ok since you want to go there lots delve in. I can agree somewhat on b Rob, but I have the sneaky suspicion if given more minutes you would see a pure stroke. Seventh has not been healthy since the summer before he got here; it has been one injury after another. Overrated; that same overrated player abused Smith Jr., and jalek at the chik filet classic. A tourney known for its quality of teams. The talent is there: he just need to get completely healthy. Not sure what your beef is with people who have a different view, but I suggest making it into a slim jim and eating it.
Hansbrough
Deon
Danny
Wayne
Ty
Do any of our current guys start?
Perhaps a more interesting question - since this team is often compared with the 2013 team - is which current players would start in 2013. And vice versa: which player(s) from 2013 would you want on the current team?
Marcus
Dexter
PJ
Reggie
McAdoo
Both those teams (current and 2013) struggled because they couldn't put together a good enough front line. Would Luke playing with McAdoo have solved that problem in 2013? Would McAdoo added to this team solve our problem? Tough question because we are talking about 2 good players, but neither of them is cut out to play the post against top competition on a regular basis.
Maye over Thompson, easily.
Otherwise, nobody has a shot.
Berry over Paige. Paige wasn't good yet.
Probably Maye over McAdoo. Maye is way better than McAdoo, though arguably a worse fit at the 5 (I'd still take Maye there). If not Maye over McAdoo, Maye over Dexter.
Possibly Theo or Kenny over Dexter?
McAdoo would make this team worse if we used him as a primary option. He was awful at that role - actively harmful. He'd help if he just played Brooks's role (defend and rebound).
I agree with most of that.
Marcus struggled early but came on strong at the end of his freshman year. Down the stretch he shot 44.4% from deep - something we could certainly use.
With Berry as the 2013 PG, Marcus might be a good SG option (as well as backing up PG).
I like the idea of McAdoo replacing Brooks, but with Maye being the primary front court option. Not a knock on Brooks, but Mac as a soph had a better grasp of the system and was stronger and more aggressive.
If I'm putting together a rotation from our 2013 and 2018 teams, where everybody gets 20 or more minutes, I get something like this 8-man rotation:
Berry
Marcus
PJ
Theo
Reggie
Cam
Luke
McAdoo
Still not a strong front line. But it's a strong team. I'd like to throw in Brice and Manley, but Brice was fading toward the end of his freshman year, and it's unclear whether Manley will be able to play that many minutes.
It's all good dak, obviously I wasn't serious...I'm deff not that sensitive. I probably should start putting (just f-ing with you) in quotes.
if dadinka sayz u better chillz then u best be chillin. ur posts are to long and u attsck every one you post against. im on team dadkia i have only ben here for less than a year + dadika is legit tarheel fan. jake u best stop what yur doing ot then I will keep flagging yur posts + every one will keep hating u
I need to beef up the academic requirements for my fan club.
If anyone trots out per 40 stats for someone like Huffman they are using it improperly. You need a few hundred minutes for it to mean much of anything, because there's too much variance in performance. Huffman has played 85 minutes all year, so his stats don't mean much. And obviously bringing Ma into this would be ridiculous, he has played 4 minutes.
Also realize you're not interpreting the metric quite right. No one plays 40 minutes per game, so it's not saying Huffman would average 17 and 16. The stat just extrapolates out people to 40 minutes so you can make a smooth comparison between a guy playing 18 minutes against someone playing 30 minutes.
Someone like Huffman would probably never play more than 20 minutes or so. The per 40 is then saying he'd average about 8 points and 8 rebounds if he did. That's probably still overstating Huffman's current ability because a lot of his playing time has come versus scrubs, but applied properly to guys who've played enough minutes it helps facilitate comparisons.
Mike Daum is currently at South Dakota State and he has come out publicly and said he will be staying at South Dakota State so I have no idea what that loooong winded post was about.....
