Roy on Katz & Greenberg's podcast...
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I understand where heelman is coming from. Some people here absolutely go bat sh*t when you mention handlers or question the tactics of shutting them out completely, but some of us don't even know what the fuss is about.
Aren't handlers people that basically oversee someone's recruiting? Doesn't that make parents "handlers"? Some Parents completely handle their child's recruitments anyway.
I can imagine some families don't want to deal with all the press and scrutiny that comes with being the top recruit in the nation. And seeing that you can't hire someone (A.K.A. an agent) to do so, I'd imagine they'd want to give that job off to someone who know's how those things work, like a trusted Coach of Family Member, who may work in Athletics.
So I guess my 2nd question is, why is it so taboo to even talk to these guys? We all know Roy isn't going to take a kid who's handler is trying to extort something. None of us know what goes on behind those closed doors, so I sincerely doubt Roy is going to hire some recruit's Dad's-Friend's-Brother just to land a 5 * recruit.
*cough*Washington*cough*
It seems like some are labeling all handlers for the transgressions committed by the few. I can't imagine that every single handler wants a coaching job at a school or something from the school.
Aren't handlers people that basically oversee someone's recruiting? Doesn't that make parents "handlers"? Some Parents completely handle their child's recruitments anyway.
I can imagine some families don't want to deal with all the press and scrutiny that comes with being the top recruit in the nation. And seeing that you can't hire someone (A.K.A. an agent) to do so, I'd imagine they'd want to give that job off to someone who know's how those things work, like a trusted Coach of Family Member, who may work in Athletics.
So I guess my 2nd question is, why is it so taboo to even talk to these guys? We all know Roy isn't going to take a kid who's handler is trying to extort something. None of us know what goes on behind those closed doors, so I sincerely doubt Roy is going to hire some recruit's Dad's-Friend's-Brother just to land a 5 * recruit.
*cough*Washington*cough*
It seems like some are labeling all handlers for the transgressions committed by the few. I can't imagine that every single handler wants a coaching job at a school or something from the school.
Handlers and Mentors are not the same thing. Handlers="whats in it for me" cash or job. Hope we NEVER have a coach who will play that game as some do.
So any time we refer to a "handler" its a person who's using their position with the recruit to gain something for themselves? This is not baiting i genuinely do not know whst constitutes being a "handler" and why its so negative.
That's my take heellman. Others may not agree and I did give a fairly short answer but that's what I've seen.
For instance, we SHOULD have gotten Udoka and if it had been his choice alone we would have, but alas, it wasn't left to him.
A lot of handlers are not bad. I know some people who would be considered handlers but they are basically people the parents count on because they are undereducated and overwhelmed with the process. Is there something in it for them? Maybe, but it generally isn't a payout.
There are certainly handlers who don't care about the kid but many others do.
There are certainly handlers who don't care about the kid but many others do.
Sorry but your questions didn't come off that way at all. But OK, fair enough, I'll take it at face value.
As we've discussed on here these handlers are almost invariably on the take from shoe reps... and very often also on the take from agents (and/or wannabe agents). They get in tight with players and/or parents by promising to protect the player's "interest" and proceed to insert themselves into not only recruiting, but often their damned HS careers, including "shopping" players to private high schools that will guarantee the handler having unfettered access and control. Good and honest HS coaches thus get marginalized in the process, parents get conned and the player becomes just another commodity. If the kid is academically shaky, the handler guarantees he can find the right college situation to get him thru a semester to be eligible and into the draft, in some cases even arranging for SATs to be taken for them (Derrick Rose) to get admitted in the first place.
Meanwhile the handler blows the kid's head so full of smoke they think they're already rock stars (whether they really are that good or not) and they think their college choice is the equivalent of LeBron "taking his talents" to wherever.
Speaking of which, one of the most notorious runner/handlers is "World Wide" Wes (Calipari's favorite bag man).. One of my AAU coach buddies knows Wes personally and can verify pretty much every story/accusation ever leveled against him, and many that haven't been.
Thing is, nothing I'm writing here is new. It is WELL KNOWN in the coaching community and I'm glad some college coaches (including Roy) are starting to speak out more candidly. And I'm gonna be honest, your question came off as casting doubt on this reality as well as putting the onus on Roy to conform to this sleaze-fest, as opposed to maintaining his integrity. If I took that wrong, I apologize, but I hafta say these discussions have been common over here on the basketball side of the board.
I don't call those "handlers". There are some actual mentors and well-meaning folks involved who are in it for the right reasons.
LOVE your last two post Gary. Heelman really did not understand but I think he has a better feel for it now. MUCH better than your first reply to him which I guess if I had been him I would have come back at you with the same only stronger. 
Cory, I think you have "Mentor" and "Handler" confused. Yes there are some good folk who know the families and try and help them, but I NEVER call those "Handlers".
Cory, I think you have "Mentor" and "Handler" confused. Yes there are some good folk who know the families and try and help them, but I NEVER call those "Handlers".
When I think of "handler:" there is a definite negative connotation. many of these folks are clearly in it for the cash, perhaps there are some who are called that and REALLY do want the best for the kid. It is a case by case basis I guess.
A mentor obviously has a very POSITIVE connotation, as someone who is looking out for the kids best interests, guiding them thru the whole process and perhaps seeing that they do the right things in class, off the court etc
The whole AAU thing is, IMO ,where this whole recruiting thing has run off the tracks The AAU "circuit" has supplanted the old process and it is where the sleazy side of college bball rears its ugly head
That scene is one of the main reasons Sweaty Williams retired at MD and also one of the main reasons Roy has had to change his approach. He just will not play that sleazy game. KY, LTCC- DOOK and pretty much all the rest of the schools seem to have little if any problem with it.
A mentor obviously has a very POSITIVE connotation, as someone who is looking out for the kids best interests, guiding them thru the whole process and perhaps seeing that they do the right things in class, off the court etc
The whole AAU thing is, IMO ,where this whole recruiting thing has run off the tracks The AAU "circuit" has supplanted the old process and it is where the sleazy side of college bball rears its ugly head
That scene is one of the main reasons Sweaty Williams retired at MD and also one of the main reasons Roy has had to change his approach. He just will not play that sleazy game. KY, LTCC- DOOK and pretty much all the rest of the schools seem to have little if any problem with it.
And yet gary, it is those very same coaches that allow this to continue isn't that true? You see it, you say nothing about it unless it is anonymous??? I see this all the time, sorry but I can't rubber stamp this. If the majority of coaches out there are trying to do things the clean way then why are the minority of dirty dealers allowed to continue on? Those that see it, know who is involved, and do nothing are just as bad as the perps, you do not get the moral high ground if you do nothing.
I respect the way Roy handles our program and I do not want this to become a kalipari like side show but if he knows for absolute sure that dirty things are occurring that effect his ability or any clean coaches ability to recruit kids then he has the obligation to do something about it. Report it to the NCAA, if they do nothing go to the media, use the freakin weapon that was just used on us on something there was no smoking gun proof of.
I place blame for this on the entire NCAA and all the coaches involved with the NCAA and yes, if Roy is not going to take action to stop this nonsense then blame does lay with him as well. If you are standing outside and you see a murder occur in the yard next door, what do you do, go inside close & lock your doors and hide or do you call the cops? My point is not a hard thing to understand, it is simple, you see wrong you take all steps available to you to stop it.
No, that's my bad, Mikey. There have been instances where some here have scoffed at Roy;s considerable challenges and that's how I took the question on first impression. I know those challenges all too well and yeah I sometimes bristle when I sense doubt, which I still do BTW. Nonetheless I should have taken it at face value.LOVE your last two post Gary. Heelman really did not understand but I think he has a better feel for it now. MUCH better than your first reply to him which I guess if I had been him I would have come back at you with the same only stronger.
Cory, I think you have "Mentor" and "Handler" confused. Yes there are some good folk who know the families and try and help them, but I NEVER call those "Handlers".
Problem is the plausible deniability the cut-outs provide.the dirty coaches. It's one thing to "know" what goes on and another to make public accusations without a smoking gun. Someone's gonna hafta take the bull by the horns at the NCAA level and just proactively ban this type of contact.
This is probably worth a conversation.
Most here have a negative reaction to handlers. But are they all bad, or always bad? They must provide a service or they wouldn't survive, right?
If there are good handlers and bad, what's the difference?
Is what they are doing illegal? Should it be?
If some coaches have good relationships with handlers, which helps them land the top talent they handle, is that very different from having good relationships with HS or AAU coaches which helps them land the talent they coach?
Are handlers like agents? If kids can't have agents, why are they allowed handlers?
Does the NCAA have rules about handlers? Should they? Should they be tougher?
This comment from another thread made me think it might be good to have a thread on handlers to get the thoughts in one place.
Most here have a negative reaction to handlers. But are they all bad, or always bad? They must provide a service or they wouldn't survive, right?
If there are good handlers and bad, what's the difference?
Is what they are doing illegal? Should it be?
If some coaches have good relationships with handlers, which helps them land the top talent they handle, is that very different from having good relationships with HS or AAU coaches which helps them land the talent they coach?
Are handlers like agents? If kids can't have agents, why are they allowed handlers?
Does the NCAA have rules about handlers? Should they? Should they be tougher? What should they be? And how can you enforce them?
Most here have a negative reaction to handlers. But are they all bad, or always bad? They must provide a service or they wouldn't survive, right?
If there are good handlers and bad, what's the difference?
Is what they are doing illegal? Should it be?
If some coaches have good relationships with handlers, which helps them land the top talent they handle, is that very different from having good relationships with HS or AAU coaches which helps them land the talent they coach?
Are handlers like agents? If kids can't have agents, why are they allowed handlers?
Does the NCAA have rules about handlers? Should they? Should they be tougher? What should they be? And how can you enforce them?
I'm fairly ignorant on this subject. So handlers are middle-men paid by shoes companies to get top recruits to sign with a nike school or an adidas school? I don't doubt that this happens, but it seems like a lot of energy and time spent when 90% of the players will be with a nike or adidas school anyway. And how does a handler supplant a mentor or coach as far as suddenly becoming a trusted and knowledgeable source? Are they compensated in other areas outside of shoes companies?
I don't like the notion of handlers, mentors, or street agents dealing with and for kids before they ever play their first NCAA game. But truth is it is becoming the new normal, it is change and I don't have to like it to acknowledge it.
This concept of benefiting off of the talent of players, on the surface may feel wrong but have you ever stopped and really thought about how many people benefit off the talent of a player? Is it slimy to benefit off of the talent of a kid, maybe it feels that way at first glance but think about it.
There are companies out there that will work with a kid that plays a sport in a small market or plays in a lower division, a kid that has talent but does not have the exposure and help him get that exposure that he needs FOR A FEE... Is that slimy or is that a needed service that the kid and his family need?
Hire me and I will deliver this 5 star stud player, is that slimy or is that a business deal? Kid signs a million dollar contract and buys mom & dad a house, is that slimy or a feel good story?
If NCAA regulations are not being broken, how do we select slimy and place it on some but not ALL? WWW for example to me breaks NCAA regulations IF he pays a kids parents to have the kid commit to a certain school, when he has someone else take a kid's SAT for him, that is slimy because it directly violates NCAA regulations. But Auburn can pay Cam Newton's dad to get the kid to play for Auburn AND the NCAA knows all about it and does nothing about it? Or the NCAA can suspend OSU kids for violations but allow them to play in a bowl knowing at least one of them would not be back that next season to serve any of his punishment? And of course WWW is still running wild and unchecked and the NCAA with full knowledge does nothing? Doing nothing is equal to agreement of the activity...
I've always looked at mentor as one who has been there for the family and has a pretty serious relationship with the kid. I look at a handler as someone who the parents just kind of let take care of the recruiting aspect of it for a number of reasons. The difference is in the prior (and level of) relationship with the kid. That is just the way I've always kind of looked at it though. I think mentors can be positive and negative and handlers can as well (again, using the definition of each as I have understood them).
Tks and tks for the info. I never knew the background behind the decision to shun these guys.
Many of these handlers are charged with delivering a kid to a certain brand shoe company and the pay off is when that kid is able to sign that apparel deal and can publicly hype that companies products. So what these agents want is for that contract to be publicly signed and move forward ASAP, meaning the one & done route is the quickest path to that deal signing. So the agents want to deliver the talent to the program that embraces the one & done so their pay days can come sooner rather than later.
It isn't limited to shoe companies, sports agents are all looking for that next great one so they can get their % off him when he goes pro, all the profiteers come out of the wood works and they all want their pay days ASAP.
gary, what amazes me is the kids involved don't talk about it down the road. McCants dropped dime on us because he benefited from some easy classes, when the heck is someone going to drop a dime on a guy like kalipari and WWW? Talking about someone with the smoking gun that writes a tell all book with first hand knowledge?
No worries brother. My bad on not taking your original question at face value.
Roy in many cases even tries to give the benefit of the doubt to some of the top kids he likes but when push comes to shove he won't take a handler in the package. Roy turned away John Wall (in a season we really could've used a OAD PG) for that very reason. Moreover, as time goes by handlers wanting to keep their influence and wanting to get paid off quickly steer potential OADs away from Carolina. As we saw recently Dennis Smith really liked Roy but in the end there were other forces at work that were just not gonna let that happen.
Yeah, I know... the ol days of UK boosters delivering cash to recruits via FEDEX have in many cases been replaced by handlers who are de facto runners for certain programs, or just shop their kids around wanting to get paid off via back channels. The only reason Calipari got busted with Rose was his test score got flagged, but even there, Cal skated personal responsibility because the shenanigans were off-grid. Did he know about it? Of course, but as you said unless someone "drops a dime" it can't be proven.
I think we answered pretty much all of that in the podcast thread. Coryfly correctly pointed out that there are good people out there who help the kids, but there are far too many who do not mean well. And as I said, my thoughts are that any handler who is getting anything from agents or shoe companies should himself be considered an agent by rule and thus compromise the eligibility of players who associate with them. That would clean up a LOT of the current mess. That and ditching the OAD rule for the college football model.
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Whilst we're at it, here's a pic from Goheels today representing the opposite of the problems out there.
An elite coach and an elite player who came together the right way.
An elite coach and an elite player who came together the right way.
What gary said:
And as I said, my thoughts are that any handler who is getting anything from agents or shoe companies should himself be considered an agent by rule and thus compromise the eligibility of players who associate with them. That would clean up a LOT of the current mess.
We all know that some are "receiving" benefits indirectly from "handlers"...just sayin'...
And as I said, my thoughts are that any handler who is getting anything from agents or shoe companies should himself be considered an agent by rule and thus compromise the eligibility of players who associate with them. That would clean up a LOT of the current mess.
We all know that some are "receiving" benefits indirectly from "handlers"...just sayin'...
So couple of responses to a lot of these posts. 1. Handlers is such a general term. Yes WWW is a true handler but so was Cam Newtons dad. I feel handler should be defined as somebody looking out for themselves over the player they represent. Let's face it most top schools have at some point hired a person or given somebody a job to help get a recruit...before..after..during, doesn't matter. I give Roy props for not selling out. At the same time I see the rivalry "he's guilty" tear up alot esp towards K. Yes I'm a Duke fan...K isn't perfect... neither is Roy nor is any major coach. Roy recruits people with family helping with decisions and people with true handlers. How much he puts in is up to him but the idea that if somebody picks another top team means he was steered wrong by a person whispering in his ear....that's just looking through Carolina blue glasses 90% of the time. Every fanbase does it. 2. To whoever put up "show proof"...not going to scroll back. I hope you didn't also bring up Lance Thomas...since there is literally zero proof of any violation. 3. NCAA violation...same as LT...ppl can say "well there's no proof but most likely" but that's not how the NCAA works(sometimes) get over it...
Cam Newton's dad was no such thing, and saying that means you obviously don't know a DAMNED thing about it.
Oh, and let me clue you in, dookie-boy, K is up to his ears in what has been described here and it's a frequent topic of conversation in AAU circles... just so you know.
Having fun yet? No? Good. Now GTFO.
Wow, this recruiting stuff is getting to the point of the Ol Wild Wild West with social media--I thank the coaches for sifting through all the BS and finding the quality young men that actually want to be a Tar Heel for the right reasons..Such as being in the 'Carolina Family'..good luck, it's a bitch out there now
So devilblue let me just set you straight there fella
Lance Thomas??? Hmmm I have heard the name before....LTCC THAT stands for Lance Thomas COVERUP COLLEGE
YOUR school has conducted. under the direction of your sainted bball coach, the biggest phony in all of sports, an ongoing Cover up of the SEVENTY THOUSAND dollar line of credit for Mr Thomas at a jeweler in NYC.. a CLEAR violation of NCAA rules as an impermissible benefit to a scholarship player. .rendering HIM ineligible and all games he played in ,which included a National title game, to be forfeited..so YOUR 2010 banner should come DOWN due to an ACTUAL REAL VIOLATION of NCAA rules
The problem that I and other observers have had with your school is that NO ONE ,, repeat NO ONE, has had the balls to actually challenge your coach, Darth Vader,who is the person that actually RUNS your school
The REASON that "no violation has been found" is that there NEVER has been an investigation into this... NEVER. The whole thing was dropped after about a month, after EVERYONE associated with this case SHUT UP and refused to TALK or give ANY details about HOW this kid GOT the 70k bling bling line of credit .
The NCAA has no subpoena power and really they did NOTHING about this..they could not force Thomas or the jeweler to talk or make any statements under oath.
above all the supposed HEAD of your "university,the chancellor,admin etc sat on their cans and did NOT call for an independent, thorough and complete inquiry, including subpoenas under oath testimony etc
SO nearly seven years later we have an on going potential scandal completely covered up by the head coach and his entire athletic dept staff and a university admin that quivers at the very thought of challenging THE ONE source of Power and control at LTCC
The Head coach of your basketball team
The local media consumed by a five year feeding frenzy against Carolina and its athletic deptin the hope of destroying it,has also completely IGNORED this story and given a Clinton like pass to Vader and the whole Thomas affair,
This observer has pointed this whole sorry episode out for years now,as a reminder of the corruption that I along with many others believe lies buried at LTCC.
I would gladly shut up about this..believe me I would IF and ONLY IF there was actually WAS a full complete and total INDEPENDENT investigation into this mess
I aint holding my breath that the truth will EVER come out. Vader runs his operation like a mob bossand Thomas is merely a foot soldier a pawn who will NEVER cross the Don...unless forced to testify under oath.
The cover up continues..................
Lance Thomas??? Hmmm I have heard the name before....LTCC THAT stands for Lance Thomas COVERUP COLLEGE
YOUR school has conducted. under the direction of your sainted bball coach, the biggest phony in all of sports, an ongoing Cover up of the SEVENTY THOUSAND dollar line of credit for Mr Thomas at a jeweler in NYC.. a CLEAR violation of NCAA rules as an impermissible benefit to a scholarship player. .rendering HIM ineligible and all games he played in ,which included a National title game, to be forfeited..so YOUR 2010 banner should come DOWN due to an ACTUAL REAL VIOLATION of NCAA rules
The problem that I and other observers have had with your school is that NO ONE ,, repeat NO ONE, has had the balls to actually challenge your coach, Darth Vader,who is the person that actually RUNS your school
The REASON that "no violation has been found" is that there NEVER has been an investigation into this... NEVER. The whole thing was dropped after about a month, after EVERYONE associated with this case SHUT UP and refused to TALK or give ANY details about HOW this kid GOT the 70k bling bling line of credit .
The NCAA has no subpoena power and really they did NOTHING about this..they could not force Thomas or the jeweler to talk or make any statements under oath.
above all the supposed HEAD of your "university,the chancellor,admin etc sat on their cans and did NOT call for an independent, thorough and complete inquiry, including subpoenas under oath testimony etc
SO nearly seven years later we have an on going potential scandal completely covered up by the head coach and his entire athletic dept staff and a university admin that quivers at the very thought of challenging THE ONE source of Power and control at LTCC
The Head coach of your basketball team
The local media consumed by a five year feeding frenzy against Carolina and its athletic deptin the hope of destroying it,has also completely IGNORED this story and given a Clinton like pass to Vader and the whole Thomas affair,
This observer has pointed this whole sorry episode out for years now,as a reminder of the corruption that I along with many others believe lies buried at LTCC.
I would gladly shut up about this..believe me I would IF and ONLY IF there was actually WAS a full complete and total INDEPENDENT investigation into this mess
I aint holding my breath that the truth will EVER come out. Vader runs his operation like a mob bossand Thomas is merely a foot soldier a pawn who will NEVER cross the Don...unless forced to testify under oath.
The cover up continues..................
You realize him being extended 70k in credit isn't a violation? It's only a violation if the credit was given because he plays college ball. So tell me....which of the following do you KNOW it was? 1 He plays for Duke and a donor cosigned with him putting lots of money behind LT but when it came time to collect that cosigner was never mentioned it chased by the jewellery company? 2. Jewellery company said he was going to go pro...makes tons of cash....and then pay it back? 3. Jewelry company has some gain in promoting Duke Basketball? Well which is it? If this were Austin Rivers who drove a car worth more than LTs jewellery nobody would say a thing... 1. Nobody cosigned otherwise they would have been included in the lawsuit. 2. Nobody thought LT was going to come into a lot of pro money...and even IF you claim somebody at the company knew he'd do as well for the Knicks as he has done...the money was due predraft.... 3. If you say the company gained by giving the benefit then they would lose by revealing it... You yourself said NCAA can't force LT or newer to talk. They can and did stipulate that Duke staff not talk to LT during this. So to say K didn't just "reveal everything" as if you assume he had to know would be the same as saying "Roy didn't tell NCAA everyone's classes and grades" because he has to know everything.Why didn't Lance explain where he got the money/backing....why didn't every unc player release there transcripts to the public???? BECAUSE IT DOESNT MATTER AND THEY DONT HAVE TO!!! No matter what Lance said...hell his mom makes 6 figures a year, what if she had put aside a college fund and after he got 4 years of free ride she said it's yours and he just blew it on something dumb...anti Duke fans still would be crying foul. If Hansbrough or Ellington or Lawson or any other major name turned a transcript to public with low grades in non AFAM classes and high grades in iffy classes...doesn't prove Roy knew but your ABC crowd....what will they say? So tell me...who gave LT the backing...or cosigned....or is the newer the best pro scout in the world?
So you are saying Cecil Newton didn't ask Mississippi St for money for his signing. That the NCAA didn't find that but Cam wasn't aware so no punishment? Let me know how that's not a "handler" that a coach would have to pander to?
Read this and learn:
Cecil Newton did not ask anyone for money (Gene Chizik would be glad to explain it to you). Mississippi State offered him money when they found out Cam was likely going to Auburn. And for the record, Cecil informed Auburn that Miss State offered the money and Auburn turned Miss State in to the NCAA. Facing major trouble, a notorious Miss State alum and handler/JUCO-Runner named Kenny Rogers (who was the one who offered the $$$ and had previously gotten Miss State on probation under Jackie Sherrill for the same crap) got out in front in the media by inventing the Cecil Newton allegations.
Not that any of this matters to the point of this thread --- it doesn't. (and BTW: Whatsa matter, dookie, hittin' too close to home?).
Got it? Good. Now go play in the traffic.
Kalipari is a master of cheating with 3 degrees of separation so that no smoking gun can exist. The sad part is the coaches and the "program" used to take a lot of risk because they had to generate and transfer the money via boosters. That does not need to happen any more, now money is flowing to that AAU or EYBL coach for steering the kid to a particular program that is willing to go along with the program of moving the kid right back out and in to a NBA contract ASAP and apparel deals signed officially and agents that can legally negotiate and bill their % to the kid.
WoW, just WoW...You come off like a Ky fan trying to explain why kalipapri was not hit when WWW had someone else take the SATs for Derrick Rose.
lets first start from a place of honestly and truth, OK. No one is proud of the issues the investigations in to the AFAM stuff revealed, it was a department that was not properly run and absolutely not up to the standards of this fine school. That is what it was but what it wasn't was a NCAA violation. It was a academic issue, that has been investigated internally and multiple times externally by neutral investigators. YOU do not have to like it but you do have to accept the FACT that the NCAA does not and cannot by their charter penalize for ease of classes taken. Further you can not make the case that any of these classes were set up just to benefit athletes when there were more non-athletes taking them than athletes. And do you really want to look worse by trying to claim there are not easy grade classes at duke that your student athletes take? I would hope you would not want to address that and come off even more foolish.
You are wanting to equate our AFAM issues to the Lance Thomas bling scheme, tell me, so all duke students get such a sweat heart deal from that jeweler? You share that "maybe" the money came from his college fund, OK, cool, then why was that not proven, why all the stone wall when asked where the money for the down payment came from? Why not just, he is his college fund account and here is the cancelled check for the down payment? That should be easy to prove but rather than do that your program elected to stone wall and cover up? Why was that? It seems more likely that boosters for duke assisted in this purchase, which happens to be a direct NCAA violation but if there is some other explanation, we are waiting, we have been waiting, we hear NOTHING!
Do all duke students get such deals or is it just limited to your athletes?
And you share with us that NO ONE KNEW LANCE THOMAS WAS GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY? Now I may agree that it was a surprise that Thomas has held in the NBA as long as he has but have ya never heard that they actually play basketball for money in Europe and that even marginal NCAA players that have little to no shot in the NBA actually go over to Europe and cash sweet pay checks? Thomas would have been expected to make much more money playing ball in Europe than the typical duke student would after graduating from your school, much much more. Now I can understand the jeweler taking a down payment and financing the rest based on knowing Thomas was going to make big time money either int he NBA or Europe and while that is sketchy, the NCAA may have been able to swallow that with a big ole gulp but where did the down payment come from and why all the stone wall cover up? Yeah, folks usually cover stuff up that isn't kosher, the Lance Thomas deal was not kosher.
And we have not even mentioned Myron Piggy and his paying duke players have we...You remember Myron Piggy don't ya, the star of your dukie cheer sheets? LOL
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I push for a ban of all new puke accounts going forward! I haven't seen one lately that wasn't a pathetic troll. (BTW: is it me or do all trolls seem to be children or idiots?)
One thing I gained from the podcast was a tiny increase in my respect for Seth. His take on USA bball and the advantages it gives to all the coaches was informed and intelligent. I especially liked him calling out ratty for refusing to acknowledge the advantages as compared to Boeheim who readily admitted it.
One thing I gained from the podcast was a tiny increase in my respect for Seth. His take on USA bball and the advantages it gives to all the coaches was informed and intelligent. I especially liked him calling out ratty for refusing to acknowledge the advantages as compared to Boeheim who readily admitted it.
No automatics. If they want to come talk hoops and STAY on topic, fine. Otherwise they gone.
