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I'll even concede that the "buzzword" is inaccurate. It actually should be all inclusive.

"White privilege" is NOT being fair, the more I think about it. It should just be "Privilege." It's acknowledging the fact, or presence, of experiencing privilege that some others don't get to experience- whatever the distinction. That video I posted made me realize that. Using "white privilege" does single-out white people. And, that is going to be met with resistance from white people who feel totally unaware of the condition. So, while I still feel "white privilege", I don't really hold it against other white people for feeling animosity toward the term itself.
 
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Personal attacks? No, they are not helpful. But, you called her a bitch, indirectly. Not to mention, accusing her of personal attacks, then mimicking it and saying "Stop acting like a bitch." Please, dude. Do you think that reply was improving the situation? Warning of personal attacks, then hurling a grenade yourself.

I personally attacked him by suggesting that I couldn't help him understand my answer any further and that it was his problem if his ability to understand was below average. I didn't call him an idiot or anything like that.
 
I personally attacked him by suggesting that I couldn't help him understand my answer any further and that it was his problem if his ability to understand was below average. I didn't call him an idiot or anything like that.
You did say something about his level of understanding is below average. That's not helping.
 
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You did say something about his level of understanding is below average. That's not helping.

I know but they've been relentlessly trying to get me to give them another answer when I answered it hours ago. They think there's a specific action that will happen once they recognize what white privilege is. I cannot explain it any other way to them. They're probably just being obnoxious and seeing if they can piss me off but no such luck if that's their goal. xoxo boys
 
I know but they've been relentlessly trying to get me to give them another answer when I answered it hours ago. They think there's a specific action that will happen once they recognize what white privilege is. I cannot explain it any other way to them. They're probably just being obnoxious and seeing if they can piss me off but no such luck if that's their goal. xoxo boys
Nevertheless, calling them idiots or questioning their intelligence is considered a personal attack. If you want to do that, go ahead. 0910 will feel justified in calling you a bitch (or, as he says "stop acting LIKE a bitch").

I agree that they are expecting some reward or foreknowledge of some preferred outcome to make it worth their while to realize, acknowledge, and admit that they enjoy a privilege. The privilege alone isn't good enough. They've been made to feel marginalized for having the privilege and it doesn't sit too well. I get that.
 
Nevertheless, calling them idiots or questioning their intelligence is considered a personal attack. If you want to do that, go ahead. 0910 will feel justified in calling you a bitch (or, as he says "stop acting LIKE a bitch").

I agree that they are expecting some reward or foreknowledge of some preferred outcome to make it worth their while to realize, acknowledge, and admit that they enjoy a privilege. The privilege alone isn't good enough. They've been made to feel marginalized for having the privilege and it doesn't sit too well. I get that.

Yes sir. You're correct. I'll be kind. I sometimes enjoy messing with them like they do with me. Nothing can be accomplished or understood when we act like 5 year olds.

Everyone please forgive me. We all have much to learn from one another.

Love to all. ❤️
 
Personal attacks? No, they are not helpful. But, you called her a bitch, indirectly. Not to mention, accusing her of personal attacks, then mimicking it and saying "Stop acting like a bitch." Please, dude. Do you think that reply was improving the situation? Warning of personal attacks, then hurling a grenade yourself.
Ok, if you don't see the difference that is fine. If I offended you or her I'll do something that she hasn't done. I apologize for my comment. I'll try my best not to make that mistake again. I doubt you or her will believe that, but it should be obvious from my posting history that I try to avoid the personal stuff.

ETA: I just noticed that she sort of apologized in the previous post, so I amend my comment about her not doing it.
 
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I'll even concede that the "buzzword" is inaccurate. It actually should be all inclusive.

"White privilege" is NOT being fair, the more I think about it. It should just be "Privilege." It's acknowledging the fact, or presence, of experiencing privilege that some others don't get to experience- whatever the distinction. That video I posted made me realize that. Using "white privilege" does single-out white people. And, that is going to be met with resistance from white people who feel totally unaware of the condition. So, while I still feel "white privilege", I don't really hold it against other white people for feeling animosity toward the term itself.
I think that's fair and I can get on board with that.
 
I answered this back on post 114

Here is your answer from poast 114:

Once you actually recognize it, you won't need an answer, you will just know. My money is on you NEVER recognizing it. Idiots won't. It is not that something will suddenly be DONE or magically happen that you physically see, dumb butt, you will just know what we are talking about... you'll have one of those "aha, I finally get it" moments.... something I am quite sure you are not familiar with because you believe you know everything already.

I am so thankful I am not you or anything like you. Thank you God, thank you, thank you, thank you!

Here is my question again?
... what will be the outcome when white people all over finally recognize their built in privilege? What will change? How will it change? Or will it not change at all but whitey will just now be more aware of it?

As you can see if you're being honest with yourself, you didn't answer it. Not even close. Look, if you don't have an answer, then just say you don't have an answer. That's fine.
 
The privilege alone isn't good enough. They've been made to feel marginalized for having the privilege and it doesn't sit too well. I get that.

Yeah basically this.

It's ironic to feel marginalized for having 'privilege' so to speak. I think a better phrase would be "made to feel guilty."

Strum, it's a tight rope to walk on with some of these SJW's because this kind of buzzword academia is so hypersensitive. For example: my white privilege would lead me to commit microaggressions against people of color and if I try to become 'colorblind' or simply follow the golden rule, I am ignoring their oppression and thereby adding to it. I have had this shit said to me. You can't win. You're committing a crime by the virtue of merely existing.

Seriously, the f**k is that?
 
Here is your answer from poast 114:

This is also for @UNC '92 and @tarheel0910


Here is my question again?
... what will be the outcome when white people all over finally recognize their built in privilege? What will change? How will it change? Or will it not change at all but whitey will just now be more aware of it?

As you can see if you're being honest with yourself, you didn't answer it. Not even close. Look, if you don't have an answer, then just say you don't have an answer. That's fine.

What will the outcome be when white people all over finally recognize their built in privilege?
The outcome will be that they are AWARE of it and will then be able to fully understand the oppression others feel. It does NOT mean white people should or WILL feel guilt. IF you CHOOSE to feel guilty that is your issue, deal with it yourself. I do not feel guilty but I do understand this privilege that we are talking about.

What will change?
You will change, you will have more empathy and you will understand it hopefully without feeling guilty over it because again, guilt has no part in this. This is simply something that needs to be understood.

How will it change?
If everyone understands it, I imagine people will become more helpful because recognizing you have a privilege others don't and if you are one who is fair to others, will do things to help level the playing field or do things to help others who do not have that privilege.

The BIGGEST change will come from us all seeing each other as human beings, not colors, cultures, races, social groups..... just the way God made us.... as people... we are just people at the end of the day.

So AGAIN, once you recognize it you will just KNOW in your heart what it means, what to do and how to do it.....love ALL human beings, period.
 
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Yeah basically this.

It's ironic to feel marginalized for having 'privilege' so to speak. I think a better phrase would be "made to feel guilty."

Strum, it's a tight rope to walk on with some of these SJW's because this kind of buzzword academia is so hypersensitive. For example: my white privilege would lead me to commit microaggressions against people of color and if I try to become 'colorblind' or simply follow the golden rule, I am ignoring their oppression and thereby adding to it. I have had this shit said to me. You can't win. You're committing a crime by the virtue of merely existing.

Seriously, the f**k is that?
And, being made to feel guilty should be avoided. I even made an inaccurate statement a page or so ago, in reference to people feeling some accountability for their ancestry. There are people who insist that such a thing is necessary. And, I suppose on some level, the recognition is necessary. The society is going to progress forward, it's just a matter of the speed it goes along. I don't want to see us repeat the mistakes of the past. I suppose it comes down to what different people perceive as being mistakes.

As I said in a totally isolated post earlier- The "white" part of "white privilege" could be dropped. It's important for all of us to be aware of our own, individual, privilege that others don't get. It makes us appreciate what we do have, and, hopefully empathetic to those that don't and maybe try to help them out. The privilege may be something we share with many others, or just a few, or just ourselves. But, I think maybe making the distinctions in such a way as to impose some obligatory feeling of shame, guilt, or doubt on the person with the privilege is likely going to fall short of the objective of making them aware of the privilege.
 
Yes. That is how SJWs want you to feel.

No one said it was a crime, no one said you should feel guilty, no one said any of that.... YOU guys are saying it because YOU DO NOT GET IT! smh just forget it.... seriously, LOL omg, it's like me telling a 5 year old how to catheterize the right femoral artery or something....never-mind!!!
 
What will the outcome be when white people all over finally recognize their built in privilege?
The outcome will be that they are AWARE of it and will then be able to fully understand the oppression others feel. It does NOT mean white people should or WILL feel guilt. IF you CHOOSE to feel guilty that is your issue, deal with it yourself. I do not feel guilty but I do understand this privilege that we are talking about.

What will change?
You will change, you will have more empathy and you will understand it hopefully without feeling guilty over it because again, guilt has no part in this. This is simply something that needs to be understood.

How will it change?
If everyone understands it, I imagine people will become more helpful because recognizing you have a privilege others don't and if you are one who is fair to others, will do things to help level the playing field or do things to help others who do not have that privilege.

The BIGGEST change will come from us all seeing each other as human beings, not colors, cultures, races, social groups..... just the way God made us.... as people... we are just people at the end of the day.

So AGAIN, once you recognize it you will just KNOW in your heart what it means, what to do and how to do it.....love ALL human beings, period.


Thank you. In all seriousness, I appreciate you finally answering my questions. I don't agree with much of what you wrote. But I do appreciate you answering.

What will the outcome be when white people all over finally recognize their built in privilege?
The outcome will be that they are AWARE of it and will then be able to fully understand the oppression others feel. It does NOT mean white people should or WILL feel guilt. IF you CHOOSE to feel guilty that is your issue, deal with it yourself. I do not feel guilty but I do understand this privilege that we are talking about.
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Ok. That's fair. I'm still not sure what simply being aware can do. But ok. And I think you know me well enough to know that it would be a cold day in Hell before I felt guilty for being white.

What will change?
You will change, you will have more empathy and you will understand it hopefully without feeling guilty over it because again, guilt has no part in this. This is simply something that needs to be understood.

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So I'll be empathetic to others' plight. I'm empathetic to others' situations now...if I feel they are truly fighting a battle and if I feel they're not asking for empathy. \

How will it change?
If everyone understands it, I imagine people will become more helpful because recognizing you have a privilege others don't and if you are one who is fair to others, will do things to help level the playing field or do things to help others who do not have that privilege..

I don't believe that. I don't believe that simply being aware of others' situations will make people be "more helpful". I also don't believe the playing field is uneven. So here is where the disconnect between you and I is.

The BIGGEST change will come from us all seeing each other as human beings, not colors, cultures, races, social groups..... just the way God made us.... as people... we are just people at the end of the day.

You're talking about a change in human instinct. I don't see that as possible. You can't change biology. You can want it to change and you can hope it changes. But it will remain. Human instinct is innate. All the uncboy recommended psychology classes in the world cannot change human instinct. It's instinct.

So AGAIN, once you recognize it you will just KNOW in your heart what it means, what to do and how to do it......

Maybe so. I guess I appreciate your optimism. Sorry, I don't have the same blind faith.
 
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I'm empathetic to others' situations now...if I feel they are truly fighting a battle and if I feel they're not asking for empathy.
For those brave enough to not have to put me on ignore:

That is exactly the OPPOSITE of being empathetic. You don't have empathy WITH CONDITIONS. No wonder he can't get it. Empathy with strings attached... is not empathy. Same with love. Conditional love is not love at all.
 
For those brave enough to not have to put me on ignore
Brave? Well that doesn't describe it all. You sir are an invaluable source of laughter and hilarity. And your trolling helps keep my meme game on point. I for one sir bid you please continue with your work here!
 
You were born with it.

I was always taught that people shouldn't be criticized or treated different due to things they were born with - it was more the merit of what they've done since they've been born that counts.

At some point, institutions like the NAACP, the United Negro College Fund, Miss Black America, Black History Month, or any other racial distinction, will become obsolete and wind-up perpetuating the thing it was supposed to alleviate and remove initially. If you keep reminding everyone that we are "different races" then we'll keep feeling like we're separate.

Yup. And that point was about 20 years ago.
 
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I was always taught that people shouldn't be criticized or treated different due to things they were born with...
I agree, they shouldn't be. But, they are. And, this is actually more about personal realization, and then it's a collective realization as it grows.
 
Here, read this morons! Geez

http://occupywallstreet.net/story/explaining-white-privilege-broke-white-person

for those too lazy to click:

Years ago, some feminist on the internet told me I was "Privileged."

"THE F*CK!?!?" I said.

I came from the kind of Poor that people don't want to believe still exists in this country. Have you ever spent a frigid northern Illinois winter without heat or running water? I have. At twelve years old, were you making ramen noodles in a coffee maker with water you fetched from a public bathroom? I was. Have you ever lived in a camper year round and used a random relative's apartment as your mailing address? We did. Did you attend so many different elementary schools that you can only remember a quarter of their names? Welcome to my childhood.

So when that feminist told me I had "white privilege," I told her that my white skin didn't do shit to prevent me from experiencing poverty. Then, like any good, educated feminist would, she directed me to Peggy McIntosh's 1988 now-famous piece, "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack."

After one reads McIntosh's powerful essay, it's impossible to deny that being born with white skin in America affords people certain unearned privileges in life that people of another skin color simple are not afforded. For example:

  • "I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented."
  • "When I am told about our national heritage or about “civilization,” I am shown that people of my color made it what it is."
  • "If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race."
  • "I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time."
If you read through the rest of the list, you can see how white people and people of color experience the world in two very different ways. BUT LISTEN: This is not said to make white people feel guilty about their privilege. It's not your fault you were born with white skin and experience these privileges. BUT, whether you realize it or not, you DO benefit from it, and it IS your fault if you don't maintain awareness of that fact.

I do understand McIntosh's essay may rub some people the wrong way. There are several points on the list that I felt spoke more to the author's status as a Middle Class person than a White Person. For example:

  • "If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area, which I can afford and in which I would want to live."
  • "I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me."
  • "I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed."
  • "If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege."
And there are so many more points in the essay where the word "race" could be substituted for the word "class" which would ultimately paint a very different picture. That is why I had such a hard time identifying with this essay for so long. When I first wrote about White Privilege years ago, I demanded to know why this White Woman felt that my experiences were the same as hers when no, my family most certainly could not rent housing "in an area which we could afford and want to live."

And no, I couldn't go shopping without fear in our low income neighborhoods.

The idea that any ol' white person can find a publisher for a piece is most certainly a symptom of class privilege. Having come from a family of people who didn't even graduate high school, who knew not a single academic or intellectual person, it would never occur to me to assume that I could be published. It is an absolute freak anomaly that I'm in graduate school considering not one person on either side of my family has a college degree. And it took me until my thirties to ever believe that someone from my stock could achieve such a thing. Poverty colors nearly everything about your perspective on opportunities for advancement in life. Middle class, educated people assume that anyone can achieve their goals if they work hard enough. Folks steeped in poverty rarely see a life past working at the gas station, making the rent on their trailer, and self-medicating with cigarettes and prescription drugs until they die of a heart attack. (I've just described one whole side of my family and the life I assumed I'd be living before I lucked out of it.)

I, maybe more than most people, can completely understand why broke white folks get pissed when the word "Privilege" is thrown around. As a child, I was constantly discriminated against because of my poverty and those wounds still run very deep. But luckily my college education introduced me to a more nuanced concept of Privilege; the term Intersectionality. The concept of Intersectionality recognizes that people can be privileged in some ways and definitely not privileged in others. There are many different types of privilege, not just skin color privilege, that impact the way people can move through the world or are discriminated against. These are all things you are born into, not things you earned, that afford you opportunities others may not have. For example:

  • Citizenship - Simply being born in this country affords you certain privileges non-citizens will never access.
  • Class - Being born into a financially stable family can help guarantee your health, happiness, safety, education, intelligence, and future opportunities.
  • Sexual Orientation - By being born straight, every state in this country affords you privileges that non-straight folks have to fight the Supreme Court for.
  • Sex - By being born male, you can assume that you can walk through a parking garage without worrying you'll be raped and that a defense attorney will then blame it on what you were wearing.
  • Ability - By being born able bodied, you probably don't have to plan your life around handicap access, braille, or other special needs.
  • Gender - By being born cisgendered, you aren't worried that the restroom or locker room you use will invoke public outrage.
  • As you can see, belonging to one or more category of Privilege, especially being a Straight White Middle Class Able-Bodied Male, can be like winning a lottery you didn't even know you were playing. But this is not to imply that any form of privilege is exactly the same as another or that people lacking in one area of privilege understand what it's like to be lacking in other areas. Race discrimination is not equal to Sex Discrimination and so forth.
And listen, recognizing Privilege doesn't mean suffering guilt or shame for your lot in life. Nobody's saying that Straight White Middle Class Able-Bodied Males are all a bunch of assholes who don't work hard for what they have. Recognizing Privilege simply means being aware that some people have to work much harder just to experience the things you take for granted (if they ever can experience them at all.)

I know now that I AM Privileged in many ways. I am Privileged as a natural born white citizen. I am privileged as a cis-gendered woman. I am privileged as an able-bodied person. I am privileged that my first language is also our national language, and that I was born with an intellect and ambition that pulled me out of the poverty I was otherwise destined for. I was privileged to be able to marry my way "up" by partnering with a Privileged middle-class educated male who fully expected me to earn a college degree.

There are a million ways I experience Privilege, and some that I certainly don't. But thankfully, Intersectionality allows us to examine these varying dimensions and degrees of discrimination while raising awareness of the results of multiple systems of oppression at work.

Tell me, are you a White Person made uncomfortable by the term "White Privilege?" Does a more nuanced approach help you see your own Privilege more clearly?
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Profiling works for a reason: Example 1 Most serial killers are white males of a certain age , so when the "profilers" start the process they eliminate everybody that is not a white male of that age range unless some obvious evidence shows up like say Wayne Williams. Example 2 If you were an African American killed this weekend in Chicago , well there is a very high probability that your killer was also African-American. These are just 2 of the many examples of profiling working and there are many others.
 
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