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Sam Perkins boycotting Silent Sam

Hmm, that’s weird that it didn’t seem to bother him while he was the big man on campus
How do you know that? Maybe it did bother him back then, too. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that it did. And, why does it matter? It bothers him now. That deserves consideration. Can you empathize with his perspective? If not, then you're probably going to be considered a racist on some level, and it would be a rightfully earned label.

As I've said before, Confederate monuments neither offend or inspire me. I have direct lineage to at least three Confederate soldiers, one was a famous cavalry general. I'm not proud of what they fought for. But, I understand the context of "then and now." The statues were usually erected to try and find a way to honor the "Lost Cause" white-washing of the Confederacy. That wasn't very honorable, either. SIlent Sam, to me, is a little different. I think Silent Sam is pretty benign and actually a symbol of defeat while trying to show compassion for the loss of life. The loss of life is equally felt on all sides of any war. The earth gets filled with bodies and it doesn't care what uniform was on the body of the new resident.

It should be abundantly obvious why it bothers black people.
 
How do you know that? Maybe it did bother him back then, too. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that it did. And, why does it matter? It bothers him now. That deserves consideration. Can you empathize with his perspective? If not, then you're probably going to be considered a racist on some level, and it would be a rightfully earned label.

As I've said before, Confederate monuments neither offend or inspire me. I have direct lineage to at least three Confederate soldiers, one was a famous cavalry general. I'm not proud of what they fought for. But, I understand the context of "then and now." The statues were usually erected to try and find a way to honor the "Lost Cause" white-washing of the Confederacy. That wasn't very honorable, either. SIlent Sam, to me, is a little different. I think Silent Sam is pretty benign and actually a symbol of defeat while trying to show compassion for the loss of life. The loss of life is equally felt on all sides of any war. The earth gets filled with bodies and it doesn't care what uniform was on the body of the new resident.

It should be abundantly obvious why it bothers black people.

I agree wholeheartedly with this poast, except about the part that someone lacking empathy for Perkins’s position is a racist on some level.
 
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I agree wholeheartedly with this poast, except about the part that someone lacking empathy for Perkins’s position is a racist on some level.
I have no doubt that you disagree with that! If only I could figure out a way to make a beer-&-how-do-you-like-your-steak simile.
 
I have no doubt that you disagree with that! If only I could figure out a way to make a beer-&-how-do-you-like-your-steak simile.

I’m not sure how to react to this.

Are you saying that someone who lacks empathy is racist?
 
I’m not sure how to react to this.

Are you saying that someone who lacks empathy is racist?
I didn't even say that in the original post. I'll quote it again here:

"Can you empathize with his perspective? If not, then you're probably going to be considered a racist on some level, and it would be a rightfully earned label."

There's a qualifier in there that needs to be recognized.
 
I didn't even say that in the original post. I'll quote it again here:

"Can you empathize with his perspective? If not, then you're probably going to be considered a racist on some level, and it would be a rightfully earned label."

There's a qualifier in there that needs to be recognized.

That’s just asinine and ignorant. Someone who lacks empathy is not a racist.

Now if you qualify “only lacks empathy for minorities”, then that would be racist.

I’m not sure what your angle is tonight, but it is puzzling to say the least.
 
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Correct. But not racist, which is the horse Strum has chosen to ride tonight.
I like this recent uptick in contentious posting. My intent when I came back was to rile you heathen up, but it didn’t work so well. You guys have been posting together so long, it seems you have your bad moods at the same time. Much akin to menstruating women.
 
I like this recent uptick in contentious posting. My intent when I came back was to rile you heathen up, but it didn’t work so well. You guys have been posting together so long, it seems you have your bad moods at the same time. Much akin to menstruating women.

Direct correlation to the recent basketball disappointments.
 
Direct correlation to the recent basketball disappointments.
Something deeper. I need more time to study this group. My findings are incomplete. I do plan on making a bunch more games this year. Buddy and I are splitting 8 season tickets and I think we are keeping the Bowles lot
 
Something deeper. I need more time to study this group. My findings are incomplete. I do plan on making a bunch more games this year. Buddy and I are splitting 8 season tickets and I think we are keeping the Bowles lot

UCF game- make sure you come to that one.
 
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Hey- our other thread got deleted. Wonder if anyone got bounced too?
 
That’s just asinine and ignorant. Someone who lacks empathy is not a racist.

Now if you qualify “only lacks empathy for minorities”, then that would be racist.

I’m not sure what your angle is tonight, but it is puzzling to say the least.
Someone who lacks empathy is closer to racist than if you don't lack it.

You still missed the qualifier. It's unfortunate.
 
I’m thinking strum did. It was pretty quick. Glad it did. I was about to answer your question about how black people tend to like their steaks. Bullet dodged.
You actually understood my failed attempt.

Some folks here may recall that I used to live with a black girl for about 2 years. That was actually an experience that I'm really thankful for. It puts things in a totally different perspective. I never resorted to violence when people made a racist comment toward her, or us. But, I felt it nonetheless. It's not much fun. But, it's nowhere near as bad as it would have been 50 years ago or more.
 
You just called Tooph’s girlfriend a gook. I’m really no longer interested in your opinions on racism.
Yeah, I did that to prove a point.

I'm not really interested in sharing my opinions on race with someone who is intentionally acting as if they're in-the-dark about my comments to Toophly.
 
You actually understood my failed attempt.

Some folks here may recall that I used to live with a black girl for about 2 years. That was actually an experience that I'm really thankful for. It puts things in a totally different perspective. I never resorted to violence when people made a racist comment toward her, or us. But, I felt it nonetheless. It's not much fun. But, it's nowhere near as bad as it would have been 50 years ago or more.

The ol’ “I have black friends so I can’t be racist” move.

That one rarely works anymore.
 
The ol’ “I have black friends so I can’t be racist” move.

That one rarely works anymore.
No, we lived together for a little over 2 years. It was a pretty profound experience.

I was, and am, racist in certain contexts and situations. I'm human. I have my own unique conditioning and experiences. I can be insensitive as much as anyone. But, I do try and empathize with people, and their situations, as much as I can.
 
Yeah, I noticed that about you in your exchange with Tooph
You never seem to comprehend my full comments. Same with the empathy/racist thing. I said "probably be considered a racist." Probably should indicate "not always"

When I say "as much as I can", I include that intentionally. That means I don't always succeed. I fail more often than I'd like. In his case, however, I was trying to make a point. It was a failed attempt, as tickettoride already mentioned. But, I have to try sometimes.
 
I'd like to ask him the following questions:
1. Does he truly think UNC isn't a liberal minded school and that they don't help race relations?
2. If they were to take down the statue what actions should happen next?
3. Could the actions in question two be possible with the statue still standing?
 
I like this recent uptick in contentious posting. My intent when I came back was to rile you heathen up, but it didn’t work so well. You guys have been posting together so long, it seems you have your bad moods at the same time. Much akin to menstruating women.

I think most of us just know each other well enough that even when we are complete jerks to each other (whether in jest or seriously) we don't take it too seriously since basically everyone here is a dick in some form or another.
 
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I'd like to ask him the following questions:
1. Does he truly think UNC isn't a liberal minded school and that they don't help race relations?
2. If they were to take down the statue what actions should happen next?
3. Could the actions in question two be possible with the statue still standing?
I'd like to ask him if he knows the whole story behind the statue. If he knows that the statue was intentionally made with specific appointments that indicate surrender and obedience to the victorious Union. If he thinks that any memorial to the dead soldiers from the University of North Carolina deserve any kind of memorial. And, if so, where would be an appropriate location?
 
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