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SEC commissioner Greg Sankey’s removal as Committee on Infractions chairman due to a conflict of interest in the University of North Carolina’s prolonged NCAA investigation has been officially requested.

The letter cited NCAA bylaw 19.3.4, which states “no member of a hearing panel shall participate in a case if he or she is directly connected with an institution under investigation or if he or she has a personal, professional or institutional affiliation that may create the appearance of partiality.” Abrams indicated Sankey’s role as SEC commissioner created the appearance of partiality, which has been a topic of conversation amongst talking heads in recent months. In February, ESPN basketball analyst Jay Bilas criticized the NCAA for allowing a sitting commissioner to be in charge of the Committee on Infractions.
 
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Tom79 said:
Yeah, Deana, got to love those SEC guys, all over the place up to the NCAA...Emmert, Sankey, all complicit in shenanigans.
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As someone with a degree from an SEC school and living down here I will say without hesitiation that Emmert is as corrupt as a $3 bill. He is single-handedly responsible --- and this was related to me by a former NCAA investigator who resigned because of it --- for Alabama football not having received the death penalty for continued (and continuing) egregious recruiting violations, this after having been previously labeled a "serial repeat violator" by the NCAA and still on probation. Emmert, lest we forget, was Saban's boss and benefactor at LSU and covered up a massive grade-changing scandal for him there.

And Sankey is a sycophant weasel whose partisanship has no place in an infractions investigation into an ACC school. Crowder has lawyered up, and is correctly asserting that Sankey has several unallowable conflicts-of-interest. Getting that wanker off the case would be a huge step in restoring sanity and getting this overblown mess over and done with.
 
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What makes it worse is that UNC plays SEC teams as well. We play UK all the time in basketball and we played them and SC in baseball this year. That just seems like an obvious conflict of interest to me. I'm not trying to say that it would influence his judgment, but it just looks bad.
 
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tarheel0910 said:
What makes it worse is that UNC plays SEC teams as well. We play UK all the time in basketball and we played them and SC in baseball this year. That just seems like an obvious conflict of interest to me. I'm not trying to say that it would influence his judgment, but it just looks bad.
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It not only looks bad, trust me, it most definitely influences his "judgment".
Before Sankey: Men's BB removeed from allegations
After Sankey: Men's BB restored in allegations

Picnic meet skunk.
 
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I agree with Bilas and those in this thread that it's pretty dumb for the NCAA to let a sitting conference commissioner be the head of the NCAA's Committee on Infractions. Even if said sitting conference commish was as virtuous as Gandhi, the risk of schools from the commish's conference seeking to influence his rendered verdicts is too great. It's certainly a conflict of interest. I also agree that Emmert is a shady character. His actions as a university leader contrast harshly with his words and attempted actions as the NCAA leader, which doesn't paint him in a good light.

As for Alabama Football deserving, but not getting, the death penalty, that's beyond crazy talk.
 
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Sankey shouldn't be serving in any position with the NCAA except maybe sweeping the floors.
 
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Recusal was requested of all members on the COI by Crowder's lawyers. Crowder's lawyers can go right at the NCAA and UNC can enjoy the benefits.
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
I agree with Bilas and those in this thread that it's pretty dumb for the NCAA to let a sitting conference commissioner be the head of the NCAA's Committee on Infractions. Even if said sitting conference commish was as virtuous as Gandhi, the risk of schools from the commish's conference seeking to influence his rendered verdicts is too great. It's certainly a conflict of interest. I also agree that Emmert is a shady character. His actions as a university leader contrast harshly with his words and attempted actions as the NCAA leader, which doesn't paint him in a good light.

As for Alabama Football deserving, but not getting, the death penalty, that's beyond crazy talk.
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There is nothing crazy about it. They were placed on consecutive probations, which triggered the window if they violated again. The fact is they have habitually done just that and internal rcommendations were made that they get blasted. Emmert vetoed it. Several resignations ensued.

You're free to believe what you want but if you want to say that's crazy talk then you simply don't know what you're talking about.
 
Yea i agree its just plain innappropriate for a sitting conf commissioner to have a say in penalties and infractions. I really hope this succeeds.
 
gary-7 said:
Has nothing to do with it. Facts are facts. Bama's cheating is the stuff of legend down here, and the legend is probably even less egregious than the reality.
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I grew up in bama. Got cousins in auburn and ala both. I am actually named after one of the schools due to my pos biological dad being totally deranged in his fanhood. I'm well versed on the scandals at both schools. Its a huge reach to claim bama deserves the death penalty although i do agree they've gotten off better than they should have. As has auburn.
 
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heelmanwilm said:
I grew up in bama. Got cousins in auburn and ala both. I am actually named after one of the schools due to my pos biological dad being totally deranged in his fanhood. I'm well versed on the scandals at both schools. Its a huge reach to claim bama deserves the death penalty although i do agree they've gotten off better than they should have. As has auburn.
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Your name is Crimson Tide? I didn't know that.
 
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so auburn is 100% clean and Bama is the only dirty one? Wait a minute , Moe Howard avatar who am I responding to?
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Good Lord. I didn't say a word about Auburn. Bama is a serial cheater. Fact.
But since you asked, Auburn is in fact relevant to UNC's current case, in that there was an investigation into an Auburn Sociology prof about 10 years ago who was accused of running too many independent studies (a lot) courses that athletes were taking advantage of and it raised red flags. Auburn was not sanctioned as it was an academic matter, but it certainly points up that schools all over the country use "paper" classes and it also points up that under NCAA bylaws a conference Commissioner has a conflict-of-interest that should cause his recusal, since a simialr investigation has happened in his conference while he was Deputy Commissioner.
 
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gary-7 said:
There is nothing crazy about it. They were placed on consecutive probations, which triggered the window if they violated again. The fact is they have habitually done just that and internal rcommendations were made that they get blasted. Emmert vetoed it. Several resignations ensued.

You're free to believe what you want but if you want to say that's crazy talk then you simply don't know what you're talking about.
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We agree that Alabama Football committed NCAA violations (as all schools do each and every year), we disagree that they should've gotten the death penalty. I think that the NCAA had ZERO place making any rulings in the Penn State case, but since they did get involved.... if Penn State didn't get the death penalty, then no program is ever "worthy" of the death penalty. You can't have a more damning situation than what happened in Penn State. Since they didn't get it from the NCAA -- and again, I'm conceding the NCAA's involvement in the first place, even though I will argue til I'm blue in the face that the NCAA had zero jurisdiction in the Penn State situation -- then no program or school will ever get it.

Regardless, we are in agreement about Sankey and Emmert. Sankey being the head of the COI is a terrible look for the NCAA.

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Why?
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See above.
 
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gary-7 said:
Has nothing to do with it. Facts are facts. Bama's cheating is the stuff of legend down here, and the legend is probably even less egregious than the reality.
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I'm not an Auburn grad and I agree 100%
Bama's dirt is legendary. It's goes back DECADES.
 
HeelFan58 said:
Bama , Auburn , War Eagle , Crimson , Tide , Tiger, Paul , Bear , Shug , Ralph???
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Auburn is my first name. (I go by my middle-obadiah) And yes i hunted down my bio father in north eastern ala and back handed his sorry arse soon as i was old enough to drive. Course if i hd gone to auburn i woulda won a lot of bar bets.
 
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TarHeelNation11 said:
We agree that Alabama Football committed NCAA violations (as all schools do each and every year), we disagree that they should've gotten the death penalty. I think that the NCAA had ZERO place making any rulings in the Penn State case, but since they did get involved.... if Penn State didn't get the death penalty, then no program is ever "worthy" of the death penalty. You can't have a more damning situation than what happened in Penn State. Since they didn't get it from the NCAA -- and again, I'm conceding the NCAA's involvement in the first place, even though I will argue til I'm blue in the face that the NCAA had zero jurisdiction in the Penn State situation -- then no program or school will ever get it.

Regardless, we are in agreement about Sankey and Emmert. Sankey being the head of the COI is a terrible look for the NCAA.


See above.
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That is not unreasonable on several counts. And perhaps I shouldn't have used the catch-all "death penalty" phrase, since it isn't really that. However, in the bama case they had been warned that one more violation under their then ongoing overlapping probations would result in the most severe sanctions, and the ones that were recommended within the NCAA were at the SMU level from back in the day. I wrote them down when they were told to me, but just from memory it amounted to no home games for two seasons, (obviously) post-season bans and a decimating loss of scholarships. Hell, they already were under orders to vacate wins (which they have all but ignored). The point is that Emmert came aboard and internally vetoed any further actions against bama and they have thus operated with de facto impunity during his tenure.
 
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heelmanwilm said:
Auburn is my first name. (I go by my middle-obadiah) And yes i hunted down my bio father in north eastern ala and back handed his sorry arse soon as i was old enough to drive. Course if i hd gone to auburn i woulda won a lot of bar bets.
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You could have been named Sue!
 
heelmanwilm said:
Auburn is my first name. (I go by my middle-obadiah) And yes i hunted down my bio father in north eastern ala and back handed his sorry arse soon as i was old enough to drive. Course if i hd gone to auburn i woulda won a lot of bar bets.
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For real? Yeah, if true you could've definitely won some bar bets... and likely gotten laid to boot...
 
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gary-7 said:
That is not unreasonable on several counts. And perhaps I shouldn't have used the catch-all "death penalty" phrase, since it isn't really that. However, in the bama case they had been warned that one more violation under their then ongoing overlapping probations would result in the most severe sanctions, and the ones that were recommended within the NCAA were at the SMU level from back in the day. I wrote them down when they were told to me, but just from memory it amounted to no home games for two seasons, (obviously) post-season bans and a decimating loss of scholarships. Hell, they already were under orders to vacate wins (which they have all but ignored). The point is that Emmert came aboard and internally vetoed any further actions against bama and they have thus operated with de facto impunity during his tenure.
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I'm more inclined to believe what you say in this poast after you clarified it wasn't an outright death penalty that was on the table.

In general, it's not a secret that 60s, 70s, and 80s Southern college football -- that encompasses the SEC as well as GT, FSU, UNC, Clemson -- was riddled with rule bending. I'd argue much, much more than we see now. $20 hand shakes were commonplace back then, even in the team locker rooms. There was just no way to police it back then because of the lack of social media, 24/7 news cycle, national coverage, etc.
 
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TarHeelNation11 said:
I'm more inclined to believe what you say in this poast after you clarified it wasn't an outright death penalty that was on the table.

In general, it's not a secret that 60s, 70s, and 80s Southern college football -- that encompasses the SEC as well as GT, FSU, UNC, Clemson -- was riddled with rule bending. I'd argue much, much more than we see now. $20 hand shakes were commonplace back then, even in the team locker rooms. There was just no way to police it back then because of the lack of social media, 24/7 news cycle, national coverage, etc.
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Well, yeah, the "death penalty" is an overused misnomer for sure.

The $100 hand-shake may have been more prevelant then, but they still exist. Moreover, methods are often a bit more sophisticated these days, and the bama REC (Red Elephant Club) machine does it better than anyone.

Maddeningly it's not even a secret in the state. High-value bama football recruits will surely be outfitted with a 1-yr old off-lease High Performance Charger, Camaro or Tahoe, which then gets sent to a custom shop (in Montgomery, I believe) for the player's choice of tricked-out paint jobs (sometimes even with the player's damned number, like Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix's Charger with the #6 IIRC that caused a stink when he posted it on Instagram), then 2 Grand worth of rims at Hot Wheels in Mobile. And of course, if they want nice clothes, just go autograph some stuff for the owner of T-Town Mens Wear and you're hooked up. And that's not even counting the arranged jobs and family housing (why they called Trent Richardson "Rent Richardson"). This stuff has been documented, photographed, turned in, shared on social media, etc, etc and Emmert forces the NCAA to turn a blind eye.

On the other side, anyone who dares to try and out-cheat Saban and his minions for players will likely find themselves turned in and getting busted (see Ole Miss most recently).

And BTW: Word is Avery Johnson's hoops program has not been shy about availing themselves of the REC's services...
 
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TarHeelNation11 said:
I'm more inclined to believe what you say in this poast after you clarified it wasn't an outright death penalty that was on the table.

In general, it's not a secret that 60s, 70s, and 80s Southern college football -- that encompasses the SEC as well as GT, FSU, UNC, Clemson -- was riddled with rule bending. I'd argue much, much more than we see now. $20 hand shakes were commonplace back then, even in the team locker rooms. There was just no way to police it back then because of the lack of social media, 24/7 news cycle, national coverage, etc.
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your exchanges are a bit hard to follow.
 
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Wow, what's up with the Charger as the car of choice? "This ain't no he said she said thing." I know a freshman at a SEC school that acquired one halfway through the season( yes 2016).Ha ha, I not only road in it,but I punched it to 110 mph just for shits and giggles. It's just him and his grandmother in the house and trust me she can't afford it.
 
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