Seems Players Actually Do Read Sites Like This One

[DSouthr]

Well, I've never used the spelling raiders and I've never used Oompa Loompas, so you're going to have to take that up with those people. I think you missed my point though. There are a few people who constantly say that they want this to be a civil board, but then proceed to declare that the people that they don't agree with are not good fans. In order for it to be civil both sides have to be civil. If you are going to ask for something and then in the same post do the exact opposite you shouldn't get mad when you don't get what you want. If you want to keep using the "he did it too" excuse, then by all means go ahead and do it. Just don't get upset when the other side does it as well. You could always rise above it and not participate. That would help more.

REALLY? You are a bad fan, no I am a good fan, well I am a better fan than you, are not, am to... is that not the kind of discussion more suited for the play ground at recess more so than a discussion board of adults? Mommy, he hit me, no mommy he hit me first, no I didn't, yeah you did, can we go get some ice cream... Is that the way grown ups act? Why should it matter to you what kind of fan I consider you to be, is it not enough that you are secure in your own being as to not allow such a petty thing to not act like a kid on the play ground?

It is like folks feel this need to one up what they dislike from someone else, trust me, I tried that, been there, done that, don't like the T-shirt. Oh, you insulted me, I am gonna insult you back but harsher, all that ends up in is nastiness and it becomes very divisive. There are some folks here that do not like me at all, trust me the feeling is mutual but I have had enough with dragging this board down in to personal disputes. That is their problem if they don't like me, if they want to act out does not mean I need to escalate things, I am trying best I know how to not have a repeat of this past summer's nonsense, there are some that seem to try to bait me in to more nasty nonsense daily, trying to stay away from that, not always easy but I realize I do not have to talk to someone that I consider to be a bad seed.

 

[shun1]

Thank you Archer for bringing this topic up. I just want to add to this topic, that I love all the ones that choose to wear the UNC CAROLINA BLUE. Plus, I have learned at the age of 66, that the more LOVE you express toward others, the more you love yourself. One more thing, the more respect you show to others, the more respect you will have for yourself. AMEN & MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYONE, and I mean everyone

and as always.....

!!!!!!!!!!!! GO TAR HEELS !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[heelmanwilm]

If someone says something respectfully then they should be met with respect. You confuse something you do not agree with with it being disrespectful. Let me ask you heelman, if I say something that you strongly disagree with am I being disrespectful to you, if we debate a topic am I being disrespectful toward you? Because if you think I am then you are both missing my intent as well as proving my point. You can think what I say is stupid and heck it may in fact be, everyone says stupid things from time to time but does that have to equate to that person being a stupid person? Do you see the difference? Folks say things on a board like this that they would never say to people face to face, I say things here exactly like I would say them face to face. People are many times more respectful face to face than they seem to be on their computer and I have never understood that.

How did you put it "some opinions dont deserve a respectful response as they embarrass the fan base the team and the school by being so ludicrous and idiotic that no objective reasonable person would agree" ? Who gets to judge when a respectful post, an opinion offered respectfully, becomes an embarrassment to this entire fan base? When someone is called an idiot it is easy to see the disrespect, silly name calling is disrespectful EVERYTIME. Heelman, if I look you dead in the eyes and call you stupid, I would be acting very disrespectful toward you, wouldn't I, how do you think you would react if I did such a thing, my bet is not well. But if I simply said heelman, I strong disagree with you and this is why and in time we may find where we can agree or we may have to agree to disagree but in any event the cops would not need to be called. I think I disagreed with gary all day yesterday, he is still my bud, one of my best friends in life is a dukie, ya think we agree much when it comes to UNC & duke, that would be a negative but if we say anything disrespectful to each other it is in good fun and never intentionally insulting thou he would agree, it has got tense from time to time! LOL

Heelman, I can promise YOU this much, if you discuss, debate, exchange with me respectfully, that is exactly how I will be toward you. If I ever say anything that you feel is my being disrespectful toward you then I want to know because it is not my intent. But you can not be disrespectful toward me and expect anything but disrespect to come back at you nor would I expect you to. I think that is true for the vast majority of folks that post here, they just want to be treated respectfully and to treat others the same way, there are a limited few that don't seem to embrace that, I can not understand why.

So if i claim coach williams threw the nova game to win a bet u would "respectfully disagree"? Lol. Yea right. Well thats no different than claiming the ncaa conspired with the officials to make us lose as revenge for af am. Sorry but noones getting any respect from me for poasting outlandish conspiracy theories. Not gonna happen. As far as deciding what makes a poast ridiculous or stupid? Well its like porn. I know it when i see it. But a good rule of thumb is that if your poast requires me to believe that numerous people are willing to sacrifice their careers, millions of $, reputations, and jail time and conspire together just to see unc lose a bball game then rest assured i'm gonna call bullshyt and question your intelligence.

 

[tarheel0910]

REALLY? You are a bad fan, no I am a good fan, well I am a better fan than you, are not, am to... is that not the kind of discussion more suited for the play ground at recess more so than a discussion board of adults? Mommy, he hit me, no mommy he hit me first, no I didn't, yeah you did, can we go get some ice cream... Is that the way grown ups act? Why should it matter to you what kind of fan I consider you to be, is it not enough that you are secure in your own being as to not allow such a petty thing to not act like a kid on the play ground?

I have never, ever called anyone a bad fan. Never. I think you are missing my point as well. My point was that you can't call for civility and then immediately insult someone without expecting blow back.

 

[heelmanwilm]

IMO, A player shouldn't care what a bunch of "shmoes" on a messaging system think. They're living out their dreams. That's more than many of those people can say.

Good point

 

[DSouthr]

So if i claim coach williams threw the nova game to win a bet u would "respectfully disagree"? Lol. Yea right. Well thats no different than claiming the ncaa conspired with the officials to make us lose as revenge for af am. Sorry but noones getting any respect from me for poasting outlandish conspiracy theories. Not gonna happen.

Heelman, first had you said Roy threw that game on purpose you would be slandering the man with out reason or proof, such a thing should be handled by our mods. I didn't like the conspiracy stuff, I know couple of my buds went to far with that, they were talking out of frustration, folks say a lot of crazy things in the heat of the moment. Some things you just have to let go, hanging on to stuff like that said in the heat of the moment and feeling you have to go on this vendetta over it makes you as bad as the person saying what you think is crazy. Before you do all vendetta on someone, talk to them?

I expressed that I did not agree with all the NCAA had the refs cheat us stuff, few calls that were questionable but hey, that happens. My rule is I NEVER dump on the refs about a game we lose, I do at times say more about a game we win when I see overly questionable calls. My buddy gary goes off on the refs hard, wish he wouldn't do that but hey, no skin off me if he does, that is his trip, I don't need to go with him on it. I believe the players win or lose games, that refs do not but I don't feel the need to call gary an idiot for his believing that refs do at times side with one team over another, again, that is his trip but I don't have to go with him on it.

Do ya get where I am coming from? I am not meaning to talk down to you, I am talking to you and intending no disrespect what so ever, want you to understand that. I just want more folks feeling welcome and willing to respectfully discuss topics, you included heelman, I know you can bring a little different slant on discussed topics, you are not an idiot and I don't think you are or want to be branded as a trouble maker. Doesn't that make sense?

 

[RoseHeel]

Yeah it's easy to say, however these kids grew up in the internet/social media era. Internet is a huge part of their life. Positive or negative, they spend a lot of time on it.

As someone who was barely a teenager when FB came out, I think I fall under the same category as most of these guys.

Now I can imagine a nationally known player receives different and harsher criticism than a normal person, but I'd also like to point out its usually from people who they haven't even met. If these same people couldn't dare say it to you one-on-one, You have to thicken your skin.

On a personal note, I feel many people have way to thin of a skin these days. Probably what leads to the whole "coddling their ego" that most of these top rated guys feel nowadays.

 

[Spacegrass]

A lot of it with fans is that any player that signs with their school is immediately the greatest thing ever because they signed with your school. Eventually the guys get to campus and get in on game action at the college level and ... Some are better than expected , some are about what you expected , and some aren't as good as expected. I have never had an issue with Nate as a player because I have known he was likely a 4 year role player. Isn't the most physically gifted in athleticism or size. But he is tough kid , good defender , and a strong 2nd PG. He was never gonna be 1st team All ACC like some early on recruiting rankings thought. I had more issues with a guy like Barnes because you could see the potential and the hype train that came along with him. The mid tier recruit is less likely I think to get piled on compared to the consensus top 10 , 5 star guy. Some advice for fans..... It's a hard life living and dying on the athletic inconsistencies of 18-22 year olds. Why I am not sure if Roy is crazy? Or one of the most patient people ever because he does it day in and day out.

 

[DSouthr]

I have never, ever called anyone a bad fan. Never. I think you are missing my point as well. My point was that you can't call for civility and then immediately insult someone without expecting blow back.

The only reason I spoke to the good fan bad fan thing was that you brought it up in your post. Did you take my reply as being insulting toward you, it was not intended to be insulting, it was intended to frame the good vs bad fan discussion as child like no matter which end of it you may be on.

You tell me 0910, when you see that I have posted something are you pre-disposed to think the worst, is it a little easier to disagree with what I say than it would be lets say to heelfanwil? You don't think highly of me, I know that, you are not exactly on my Christmas card list either and that does not shock you either. But that does not mean either of us are always right or wrong just because we may be predisposed to not really see the other in a great light. That means I don't have to like you to be respectful to you, and you can not be civil toward someone while being anything but respectful first.

When you feel like you have been insulted why not share that you feel that way and why? Don't just tell me that you feel I have disrespected you, I may not realize that I did, I have to understand why you felt insulted. Yeah, there are some posters I like more than others, that is kinda human nature but in all honestly, there is only 1 poster on this site that I have zero respect for and I am trying best I can to ignore him and by the way it is not you! LOL

 

[DSouthr]

As someone who was barely a teenager when FB came out, I think I fall under the same category as most of these guys.

Now I can imagine a nationally known player receives different and harsher criticism than a normal person, but I'd also like to point out its usually from people who they haven't even met. If these same people couldn't dare say it to you one-on-one, You have to thicken your skin.

On a personal note, I feel many people have way to thin of a skin these days. Probably what leads to the whole "coddling their ego" that most of these top rated guys feel nowadays.

I agree rose and I did not grow up in this social media world, it is strange to me. I mean it is like we all live in this vacuum, we have to live & die on that last tweet or that next face book like? These kids have to learn that you can NEVER make everyone happy in this world, you will always have your detractors and there is no getting around that. You just have to be secure enough in who you are and move forward, let the little things roll off and worry about the bigger things.

 

[Butterbutt44]

The only reason I spoke to the good fan bad fan thing was
estly, there is only 1 poster on this site that I have zero respect for and I am trying best I can to ignore him and by the way it is not you! LOL

I love you

 

[tarheel0910]

The only reason I spoke to the good fan bad fan thing was that you brought it up in your post.

I had originally brought it up in response to a few people saying it before me.

Did you take my reply as being insulting toward you, it was not intended to be insulting, it was intended to frame the good vs bad fan discussion as child like no matter which end of it you may be on.

I wouldn't say I felt insulted, but I did think you were trying to take a dig at me in a passive aggressive sort of way. If that was not your intent, then I apologize.

You don't think highly of me, I know that, you are not exactly on my Christmas card list either and that does not shock you either.

Actually, I am a little shocked. I have absolutely no personal issue with you and I think that the vast majority of the time you are very respectful as a poster. Maybe you got that impression when we were going back and forth on OOTB a while back. I was upset about the whole argument between you and @BillyL, so I was trying to stick up for him some. I probably said some things that could cause you to think that I had a problem with you, but that's not the case.

 

[DSouthr]

I had originally brought it up in response to a few people saying it before me.


I wouldn't say I felt insulted, but I did think you were trying to take a dig at me in a passive aggressive sort of way. If that was not your intent, then I apologize.


Actually, I am a little shocked. I have absolutely no personal issue with you and I think that the vast majority of the time you are very respectful as a poster. Maybe you got that impression when we were going back and forth on OOTB a while back. I was upset about the whole argument between you and @BillyL, so I was trying to stick up for him some. I probably said some things that could cause you to think that I had a problem with you, but that's not the case.

I guess maybe it is we don't really understand where the other is coming from many times so maybe we assume the worst, I plead guilty to that am ask your forgiveness for it. I really honestly did feel you had a issue with me. Yeah, the deal with billy, hated it then, not at all proud of it and very glad that billy and I at very least agreed to respect each other. But thank goodness he and I have put that nastiness behind us and moving on past it. I do absolutely understand sticking up for a friend, I respect that, it may in fact have been me sticking up for a friend that got that whole nonsense going in the first place.

 

[tarheel0910]

I guess maybe it is we don't really understand where the other is coming from many times so maybe we assume the worst, I plead guilty to that am ask your forgiveness for it. I really honestly did feel you had a issue with me. Yeah, the deal with billy, hated it then, not at all proud of it and very glad that billy and I at very least agreed to respect each other. But thank goodness he and I have put that nastiness behind us and moving on past it. I do absolutely understand sticking up for a friend, I respect that, it may in fact have been me sticking up for a friend that got that whole nonsense going in the first place.

No need to apologize. I do think we need to get back to the real issue at hand here. @Archer2 gave DI a compliment and I'm the only one who called him out. I mean, surely he should be ostracized for doing something so horrible.

 

[dgheel57]

A lot of back-patting going on in this thread lol

What do you mean by that statement? You think it's ok to bad mouth Tar Heel Players on a Carolina message board?You can criticize but when you start attacking their character,it's off limits period.Making stupid comments that a recruit might see can give them a bad impression on our fan base. And I wouldn't doubt at one point that has happened and they backed out of not comitting to UNC and I really can't blame them.

 

[coryfly]

Maybe DI has changed but they used to rip into their guys pretty good. They won't rip into K often (a few have though) but Duke fans kind of deify him so that isn't surprising. They certainly aren't any more respectful regarding the things they say about other teams, their players, or their coaches. They are just as awful as everyone else in that regard. They used to constantly make fun of the physical appearances of our players. That's fine and all but many of their fans like to act like that board is above it all when it never has been.

 

[Archer2]

I wouldn't know because I didn't read it, nor do I ever read anything from the N&O. A true "fan" (since we toss that around all willy nilly now) wouldn't ever click on one of their articles, much less link one.

Guess I'm not a true fan then.

ETA: Mods feel free to ban me for a couple of days.

 

[Archer2]

Maybe DI has changed but they used to rip into their guys pretty good. They won't rip into K often (a few have though) but Duke fans kind of deify him so that isn't surprising. They certainly aren't any more respectful regarding the things they say about other teams, their players, or their coaches. They are just as awful as everyone else in that regard. They used to constantly make fun of the physical appearances of our players. That's fine and all but many of their fans like to act like that board is above it all when it never has been.

Oh, they'll say just about anything regarding opposing teams/players/coaches, they have no moral high ground there at all. But rarely have I seen them rip one of their own players the way ours routinely get ripped. It's very true that K walks on water over there, and can do no wrong. but they have less infighting among d00k fans than we seem to have between UNC fans here. We have a couple of cliques here that don't seem capable of agreeing to disagree, with constant sniping going on back and forth. It's like the Hatfields and McCoys around here the last year or so.

 

[bleeduncblue]

If they are TRULY upset by what they read on a FREE open-to-anyone-with-a-pulse message board, then they're wearing the wrong shade of blue. Suck it up buttercup!

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

It's like the Hatfields and McCoys around here the last year or so.

The keyboard is mightier than the musket.

 

[Raising Heel]

Also, the N&O "writer" was the one to talk about message boards, Nate never did.

Seems like a pretty relevant point. Anyone care to summarize the article since I don't click on McClatchy links?

 

[Raising Heel]

You tell me 0910, when you see that I have posted something are you pre-disposed to think the worst, is it a little easier to disagree with what I say than it would be lets say to heelfanwil?

I usually just think, "Great. I have homework."





This is a joke and I believe Dave is self-aware enough to take it as such. Don't @ me.

 

[Archer2]

The keyboard is mightier than the musket.

It is indeed.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Heelman, first had you said Roy threw that game on purpose you would be slandering the man with out reason or proof, such a thing should be handled by our mods. I didn't like the conspiracy stuff, I know couple of my buds went to far with that, they were talking out of frustration, folks say a lot of crazy things in the heat of the moment. Some things you just have to let go, hanging on to stuff like that said in the heat of the moment and feeling you have to go on this vendetta over it makes you as bad as the person saying what you think is crazy. Before you do all vendetta on someone, talk to them?

I expressed that I did not agree with all the NCAA had the refs cheat us stuff, few calls that were questionable but hey, that happens. My rule is I NEVER dump on the refs about a game we lose, I do at times say more about a game we win when I see overly questionable calls. My buddy gary goes off on the refs hard, wish he wouldn't do that but hey, no skin off me if he does, that is his trip, I don't need to go with him on it. I believe the players win or lose games, that refs do not but I don't feel the need to call gary an idiot for his believing that refs do at times side with one team over another, again, that is his trip but I don't have to go with him on it.

Do ya get where I am coming from? I am not meaning to talk down to you, I am talking to you and intending no disrespect what so ever, want you to understand that. I just want more folks feeling welcome and willing to respectfully discuss topics, you included heelman, I know you can bring a little different slant on discussed topics, you are not an idiot and I don't think you are or want to be branded as a trouble maker. Doesn't that make sense?

I've never felt disrespected or talked down to by u. Hope i didnt give unthat idea. And i wasnt claiming u post crazy stuff. Maybe a bit wordy, but not crazy. It was meant as an "in general" type statement about some bizarre claims thrown out in here by other poasters.

 

[DSouthr]

No need to apologize. I do think we need to get back to the real issue at hand here. @Archer2 gave DI a compliment and I'm the only one who called him out. I mean, surely he should be ostracized for doing something so horrible.

LOL, you go find a tall tree, I will get the rope!

 

[DSouthr]

I usually just think, "Great. I have homework."





This is a joke and I believe Dave is self-aware enough to take it as such. Don't @ me.

That was some funny chit !!!!!! I really enjoyed that one! LOL

 

[Butterbutt44]

If indeed recruits and players do read these boards seems like a pretty stupid idea to bring this UNC fan bashing article and plaster it all over this board.

 

[DSouthr]

Oh, they'll say just about anything regarding opposing teams/players/coaches, they have no moral high ground there at all. But rarely have I seen them rip one of their own players the way ours routinely get ripped. It's very true that K walks on water over there, and can do no wrong. but they have less infighting among d00k fans than we seem to have between UNC fans here. We have a couple of cliques here that don't seem capable of agreeing to disagree, with constant sniping going on back and forth. It's like the Hatfields and McCoys around here the last year or so.

I believe we can work on the clique thing if we can just talk to each other. WE all have different styles of expression, I have learned today that a couple guys that I honestly felt had big time problem with me really don't but it took talking to each other rather than at each other. Arch, you are one of the most easy folks I have exchanged with on these boards, I really enjoy our discussions, we don't have to always agree but we are always agreeABLE with each other. You & Rose have a lil war of words going on right now, I enjoy exchanging with the both of you and I hate to see a couple folks I enjoy as I do the 2 of you having heat.

 

[trestyles]

If indeed recruits and players do read these boards seems like a pretty stupid idea to bring this UNC fan bashing article and plaster it all over this board.

Accurate point.

I never understand if you don't like the tweets or message board. LOG OFF!!!! You can control that. I'm on twitter. You have the option to not look at mentions. It's like some players(talking in general, not just UNC) go out there and look for it.

 

[Butterbutt44]

Accurate point.

I never understand if you don't like the tweets or message board. LOG OFF!!!! You can control that. I'm on twitter. You have the option to not look at mentions. It's like some players(talking in general, not just UNC) go out there and look for it.

Yeah plus this goes on at every decent basketball/football school in the country nowadays. The idiot who wrote this article just happened to single out UNC but couldve chosen any one of about 100 schools if he wanted. All Archer is doing is adding fuel to the fire and making it more relevant than it needed to be by posting it here.

 

[gary-7]

This is a must read for all fans, including our friends who routinely HATE this forum yet spend vast amounts of time here trashing and ridiculing their fellow Heels and also members of the team.

I have used the ignore button a lot lately and frankly it is sad to have to do that.

I have always tried to take the Coach Smith positive approach, realizing I could never come close to him in terms of dealing with people and handling his players and LIFE in general.

That does not mean that one cannot be critical...far from it.

this board is filled with critical analyses of each game and each players performance ...good or bad.

Those who have crossed the line OVER and OVER again, who go on other boards, especially dook boards, and trash their own Heel fans are to be rightfully ignored and I will continue to do so.

No one is patting themselves on the back here...only realizing that the constant desire for negative garbage disguised as "realism" is a bunch of crap.

Coach Smith would not put up with the nonsense and vitriol which spews daily from a few "fans"..it is toxic and repulsive, and as this article points out, has real implications for players and potential recruits.

POTY

 

[DSouthr]

POTY

You sayin Key has a potty mouth? I have no idea what POTY means? LOL

Back on the OP's topic, yeah, I agree folks at times go to far in saying negatives toward our players or staff and I would love to see folks temper that down a notch or 2. But what really upset me was I take it as yet another N&O hit piece on UNC, as if it is only the UNC fan base that says bad things about it's players? Was their constant drum beat about AFAM not fulfilling their anti UNC agenda enough for them, they feel they need to up their holiday spirits by finding some other way to hit at the program?

FRankly, I would love to see the school pull their press creds and instruct all employees and all scholorship athletes to not grant them interviews, completely disassociate the school from that rag...

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

I have no idea what POTY means? LOL

It's an abbreviation so I doubt anybody is surprised. Not really your thing.


(Post Of The Year)

 

[gary-7]

Humble brag 4 life.

Huh? WTF is wrong with you?

 

[gary-7]

You sayin Key has a potty mouth? I have no idea what POTY means? LOL

Back on the OP's topic, yeah, I agree folks at times go to far in saying negatives toward our players or staff and I would love to see folks temper that down a notch or 2. But what really upset me was I take it as yet another N&O hit piece on UNC, as if it is only the UNC fan base that says bad things about it's players? Was their constant drum beat about AFAM not fulfilling their anti UNC agenda enough for them, they feel they need to up their holiday spirits by finding some other way to hit at the program?

FRankly, I would love to see the school pull their press creds and instruct all employees and all scholorship athletes to not grant them interviews, completely disassociate the school from that rag...

POTY = Post Of The Year.
C'mon Dave, catch up

 

[shun1]

I love you

Hi Butterbutt44, SMILE

!!!!!!!!!!!! GO TAR HEELS !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DSouthr]

POTY = Post Of The Year.
C'mon Dave, catch up

gary, what have I ever said or done that indicated that I did things the short way? LOL

 

[gunslingerdick]

This thread is pretty embarrassing. It's not really a knock on the OP (although I too wouldn't normally read an N&O article, nor do I like the poasting of an article that paints our fanbase in a negative light). I guess there's a legitimate discussion to be had about how players feel about how the fanbase treats them. But that's not what's being discussed in this thread. It's measuring di*ks regarding fandom, passive aggressive comments and a lot of grandstanding.

With that said though, as others have stated, if I were to have this discussion with Nate face-to-face, I'd tell him to put his big boy pants on. Because with the praise that he often receives for being a big time college athlete, comes the downside of "haters". That's reality. Nothing in this world is free - that includes a college athletic scholarship. He's getting a free education and chance to play ball. And if he does it right, he'll get a chance to play ball for a living. If all he has to deal with is some cutting remarks from a bunch of armchair quarterbacks on a message board, then he's pretty fortunate. And I'd trade places with him any day.

 

[dadika13]

It's an abbreviation so I doubt anybody is surprised. Not really your thing.


(Post Of The Year)

Ok that was funny.

 

[Archer2]

I believe we can work on the clique thing if we can just talk to each other. WE all have different styles of expression, I have learned today that a couple guys that I honestly felt had big time problem with me really don't but it took talking to each other rather than at each other. Arch, you are one of the most easy folks I have exchanged with on these boards, I really enjoy our discussions, we don't have to always agree but we are always agreeABLE with each other. You & Rose have a lil war of words going on right now, I enjoy exchanging with the both of you and I hate to see a couple folks I enjoy as I do the 2 of you having heat.

Can't seem to find any middle ground with him or BB. I don't dislike them, we just don't seem to agree on anything except being Heels fans. Sometimes, even that isn't enough. I have exctly two posters on ignore and it's those two. I know it's best for me and probably is for them as well.