Just that he has continued to work out hard.
A lot of folks don't realize how big a loss High was for us --- he was showing out last summer.
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A lot of folks don't realize how big a loss High was for us --- he was showing out last summer.
Lets put it this way, if our new GM is not talking to Nigel Pack and McNeeley's agents then he is not off to a great start! There is a big kid in the portal from Utah, I hope we are talking to, 3 FSU big men (I would love any 2 of that trio), I heard the Bol Bowen kid was already in the portal but have not verified it.
Pack would be a great fit because we can move him between the 2 and the point when Cadeau sits and he only has 1 more season, good because I am hearing we may have our PG for the future from the 26 class out of Virginia. McNeely is more my greed than absolute need, some may argue but I am really high on Dixon the freshman we have on the way 6'4" sweet jump shooting kid, stroke reminds me of Danny Green's jumper in how he is waving good bye well after his feet land. BTW, the Denis kid is really athletic and looks really long for 6'4"folks are not talking about those 2 kids as much as they should, both will be factor players for us down the road.
I saw some comment on Wilson on one of the threads here today, poster said he did not think Wilson would give us much as a freshman? Had me scratching my head on that one, folks really need to watch this kid's tape, he is fantastic and he is day 1 ready to play. His jump shot has come around nice from where it was a year ago, I think he is out of the box 32-35% 3pt shooter and that is the weakness of his game. I think the only real difference between he and Dybantsa is Dybantsa is quicker off the floor and maybe a couple million more expensive. If Drake were to leave, I seriously think Wilson, even at 6'9" could play the 3 which is very likely his future NBA position. Can you imagine Hubert getting smart and moving Jalen to the 4, portal in a starting level 6'10" 235lbs at least center (or 2) McNeely at the 3, with Cadeau at point and Wilson at the 3 ? Starting front court 6'9", 6'10", 6'10"... With Seth, High, Lubin (maybe), James Brown, Dixon, Nigel Pack, and Denis off the bench? Bring n the dukies with that line up!
Yeah, not having High hit us extra hard, he may have started for us if what I heard over last off season was anything near correct. But I have heard the off season rumors before, Justin Mckoy was the next big thing as just 1 example, then the games became real and... well ya know. LOL
Well, there's a larger reason that High was such a loss, and this is gonna make some heads explode, but our biggest roster deficit this season was NOT at the 5 --- it was at the dadgummed 4 --- just look at the instant transformation once Withers gave us a late run of strong games.
I think you know how strongly I agree with that! If, and I do say if Jalen does come back can some one PLEASE convince Hubert that the kid is not back to the basket a center. I think he is a long stretch 4 that some one needs to teach to set a damn screen!
Ya know, I have watched UNC basketball for most of my life and the most bat shit crazy decision I have EVER seen from a UNC head coach is to start a 6'6" 205lb freshman at the power forward position for even a single game, much less most of the season.
EC can stay if he watches basketball games ot PGs all summer long.and learn how to play the position
His basketball IQ has to improve.
Throwing it up the court all the time for no reason keeps certain plays from developing.
His basketball IQ has to improve.
Throwing it up the court all the time for no reason keeps certain plays from developing.
He wasn’t a freshman but Roy started PJ Hairston over Desmond Hubert midway through Paige’s freshman season. And that was absolutely out of necessity. I think McAdoo/Hubert is the worst starting 4/5 in the Roy and present era. It was a necessary change and it helped salvage their season despite multiple players playing out of position.
They need to upgrade the roster. I would imagine Washington should be an easy one to upgrade from.
There is literally nothing in that post that I agree with...
EC needs to be shooting 3's and Ft's not watching others
His basketball ball IQ is off the charts! I actually believes he gets saddled with TO's sometimes because he sees and anticipates where a teammate could be, but the teammate doesn't have a basketball IQ high enough to know to be there.
There is not a play in the world that advancing the ball with the pass prevents. The only thing it prevents is from the defense getting set. I don't even know how to address that one.
I am not an EC apologist, and he does have plenty to work on, but none of it was in that post. (Nothing personal)
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McAdoo and Hubert this year would have felt like having Gasol and Dwight Howard compared watching this years front court
God no, lol. McAdoo’s turn around contested jumper from the baseline should’ve come with some kind of warning for graphic violence on it. And I don’t think Desmond Hubert did anything well, lol.
Those were dark days for UNC front court. JMM shot 45% that season. Desmond Hubert made 3/14 FTs that season.
Ironically Brice Johnson was a freshman that season. They had that talent on the bench but obviously wasn’t ready to play.
Elliot Cadeau draws the strangest opinions from both opposite ends of the spectrum. It’s truly bizarre.
Easy. Just lock him in the film room with a sports bar tv set up all tuned to classic pg highlights. No need for him to work on mechanics or drills. He can get it all osmotically.
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Seems like fans need more basketball IQ supplement than anyone on the team.
Completely agree. Opinions on EC run the gamut. And I'd even admit that over his two years, I personally have gone back and forth between "this guy just isn't Carolina PG material" to "with a little work, this guy can be a championship level PG at Carolina". I've probably said both statements in the same game. Lol. That's how wildly inconsistent he has been.
In fairness to EC, he hasn't really had the complementary pieces around him to be uber successful. He's been trapped in a system with few options in the frontcourt, an undersized, ball dominant 2 guard and a coach that has made some moves that would indicate questionable confidence in EC's abilities (see the second half of last year's tournament loss).
With all that said, I'm pretty sure I'd like to give Cadeau one more go at it next year. I think he could make the leap we need him to make. Needs to be more of a threat shooting the ball and he needs to stop with bad fouls. He's already a marked man by the refs. He needs to be extra careful. With Drake, Wilson and a stud, rim-running center from the portal, Cadeau might just make the leap we need him to make.
This is in the running for the dumbest post during my tenure on this site, & I’ve been here a while.
I'm basically with you. I think the extremely lofty expectations for Cadeau are the main reason why opinions are so varied and irrational to some degree. I also think a lot of UNC fans simply prefer a pass-first PG because that theoretically can lead to an unselfish team. There's a lot of nostalgia about Ed Cota and Kendall Marshall. I've said numerous times though that the Kendall Marshall teams weren't lethal offensive teams relative to Roy's tenure at UNC. That's just a statistical fact that Roy's teams were better offensively with point guards who were more capable at scoring the ball.
Regarding Cadeau, I'm a broken record at this point. It depends who's around him. I think since he's a pass first PG, people think he will naturally lift everyone around him. I don't think that's the case. I think he's more dependent on who's around him than most other PGs. Like Coby White for instance. He wasn't a natural PG, but he was big and had a 3-level scoring game off the bounce. That works anywhere.
Most of Cadeau's impact next year will depend on who's around him IMO. I've expressed my concerns if it's Trimble-Powell-Wilson and an upgraded 5. I don't think that's a consistent enough offensive unit. And I seldom really trust UNC's defense going into a season. I just think it's a program that's built more on offense and tempo than it is a "guard your yard" type team.
But maybe Caleb Wilson is really good. Two seasons ago, the upgrade from Leaky Black to Harrison Ingram was huge. I thought it was the most important upgrade on the roster, yes even more than getting a traditional PG. Maybe the upgrade from this weird Withers/Powell to Caleb Wilson will set the tone for the rest of the roster. Awful lot to depend on with a freshman though.
Saying all that, I'm happy with Cadeau's development and he clearly has all the tools to be a really good PG here. I just think it's more complicated than "he's terrible" or "he's awesome." He's terrible at times. He's awesome at times. And he's in between most of the time. A talented, developing PG.
Right? Which IMO means he’s somewhere in the middle of those assessments.
One camp thinks he rarely if ever has made a bad play and what items show up against him are some other players fault (turnovers, not finishing for an assist) or officials specifically having it out for EC individually, or like they can’t comprehend ECs next level play - they’ve never seen anyone or anything like it before - so they call fouls or turnovers on EC that really aren’t.
And that EC is the best pg in all of college basketball or at least top 5. Also crazy. Just watching the teams still in the tourney, there are 6-8 pgs / lead guards with better all around game (scoring, passing, defending) on teams still alive in the tourney. I think just statistically and results- wise you could put EC in the top 12-20 range of pgs / lead guards in d1 major conference PGs.
But I also don’t understand people who say EC is irredeemable and that it doesn’t matter if he leaves.
He is a very good trending toward great passer and I think he’s grown this year vs last in being more under control, fouling a bit less (knowing when / how to avoid a cheap foul) and has improved a bit over being a really bad shooter his freshman year.
IF they can get bigger, better, more athletic and skilled players around him, he can be a great solution to lead this team.
If the Heels come up empty on portal - I think EC will have about the same or worse results from a scoring, assist, defensive standpoint next year
I thought the plan for EC was always 2 years and gone…If that was the case how would that have affected Wilson coming here or not…
Plans change. My plan was to marry Cindy Crawford (look her up you youngins). That didn’t happen. I adjusted my plan.
I think all of us, including Wilson, recognized by mid season that Cadeau will have to adjust his plans.
Off the charts for what a 9th grader?
You have watched a lot shtty guards in your life I see.
So is he going to be shooting all day and night
Great insight. I didn't know he would be shooting 24 hours day. My bad.
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Do we have a choice?
Open the bag so Wilson doesn’t decommit and we have a puncher’s chance at buying a lot of other players and fielding somewhat of a competitive team next year.
If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.
Hard to compete with "insight" like, "he should watch PG's all day" and "throwing it ahead for no reason".
Disagree away but no reason to be a complete dick about it.
Im being transparent here but first reaction is send em both packing and don’t let the door knob hit ya where the good Lord split ya. But the facts are, this is a different era. Gonna have to pony up for players regardless. We know what we have in EC and he can get it done with the right players in place imo. Gonna have to pay for play from here on out. If true then we’re all about to find out if HD believes in EC.
Agreed. He proved his freshman year he can run the show effectively with competent big men and spacing. Not sure we had a chance to beat UCONN or not last year but we are really gonna regret Hubert and Withers smoking that Bama game last year because that was a complete roster that gelled well together. We really blew a chance to have a final four shot with only Clemson in the way
Are you implying that Cadeau is the best PG in the country, and it isn't possible to get any better at that position?
We will not get a better PG out of the transfer portal. We'll get a combo guard trying to learn how to play point guard. And we'll have to get a backup too.
Cadeau instantly becomes the best PG in the portal if he decides to transfer. Look what happened when butterfingers Lubin finally started catching some of Cadeau's passes? Lubin suddenly started scoring around 20 points per game purely due to how well Cadeau runs the pick and roll.
I don’t often agree with you but I agree that we will miss Cadeau badly if he leaves. With a good supporting cast he will excel.
We dont have a better option at PG. If he wants 2 mil, I think we are better served finding a replacement for him and spending big on a center and SG. Jackson and powell are probably gone to g league.
Pack is coming off an injury. Is he a good bet? Even if we were sure he'd be 100%, at 6'0 doesn't he just keep us a short team?
Personally, I'd like to see Hubert try Drake at SG, Wilson at SF and, as you and everybody hopes, some sure-fire front line guys.
I've given up on JWash. Which probably means he'll have a breakout senior year.
Mrsjeans, I don't agree that Cadeau is low on basketball IQ, I actually consider his basketball IQ to be really strong. To me it is a maturity thing, maybe as in he had been able to play at such a high level because of his level of talent that he was never taxed as much until he got to UNC. I see that in a lot of ways, clearly jump shooting for 1 example is something he never really put much work in to. Simple things like understanding that you don't pass the ball to a big man's knees in traffic even thou you think you can see a hole.
The kid stays in his head to much, struggles to let the last play go and just move on to the next, that is maturity and the lessons experience teach. Keep in mind, kid did reclass to come to us, no matter that his age was older for a reclass kid he still did not have a senior season in high school, he was mentally a junior when he left high school.
It to me is a bit like a rich kid going thru school that really didn't have to work all that hard for what he got, things just came to a rich kid to easy. And then all the sudden that rich kid has to work for anything he gets, it is a shocking thing that the kid may not be ready for. That is an analogy but I feel like Cadeau may have been kept some what in a bubble by those that fed him constantly how great a player he was and now he discovers that talent isn't everything and he is trying to figure out how to deal his way thru that.
Is it about Hubert? Is it about a subpar supporting cast? Is it about a system with no identity? Is it about losing? If it's not about money, what exactly is about? Please be explicit. TIA.
As I said, I'll go there once it all plays out. It is not a done deal either way --- at least not as I am typing this --- so it wouldn't be helpful to air anything out until everything is decided.
At the risk of sounding generic, this is not an easy decision for him.
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