SI article 3 doz teams in trouble

[Tom79]

September 29, U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York laid out findings from an F.B.I. investigation that uncovered mass corruption, bribery and wire fraud involving some of the sport's top programs. But none of the programs implicated in the FBI probe—including Arizona, Louisville, USC, Oklahoma State, Auburn and Miami—have yet been punished by the NCAA as the FBI continues its investigation and while legal proceedings play out.

"It's not the mid-major programs who were trying to buy players to get to the top," a source told ESPN. "It's the teams that are already there."

This is going to get interesting, sadly. So we already know the six named above, wonder who the other 30 schools are competing to fill out the card...

 

[heels05champs]

This will be really interesting.

 

[uncfan in ky]

“Hello NBA, this is John Calipari, do you have any coaching Jobs available? I’m going to be needing one here soon.”

 

[tarheel0910]

Are these the same sources that said there was going to be multiple arrest made soon for the last few months? At this point I'm thinking these sources are about as reliable as heelswin.

 

[Tom79]

When the guys with the gold badges are in it, I would not worry so much about the NCAA. Those gold badge guys have the power of arrest. It may have been a reference to the bag boys already implicated like assistants and so on.

 

[ajklum]

And the people already implicated, fighting like the 3rd elephant on the ramp for the ark, to not goto jail. SInging and plea bargaining there arses off. Peoplez are gonna burn for this one. Problem is... and this is my opinion of course...The system will be to blame. Not the institutions, not the coaches, not the AAU coaches. And the SYSTEM...is too big to fail so all involved dont get named and they all get a backdoor exit back to college basketball with a stern warning and slap on the wrist. Totally my opinion, but I bet NOTHING of consequence happens, but I sure wish it would. DOOK would be F'd.

 

[thaUNCshow]

considering our last Top 5 recruit was Harrison Barnes all the way back in 2009 I'm not really worried about whether or not Roy was buying players, clearly we're not gonna be one of the teams listed. I'm not sure what they will be able to prove, but it's obvious Dook is dirty. A plethora of elite recruits (especially the Black ones, sorry let's call it like it is) didn't just one day decide it was the "cool" thing to go to Dook

 

[matty1212]

considering our last Top 5 recruit was Harrison Barnes all the way back in 2009 I'm not really worried about whether or not Roy was buying players, clearly we're not gonna be one of the teams listed. I'm not sure what they will be able to prove, but it's obvious Dook is dirty. A plethora of elite recruits (especially the Black ones, sorry let's call it like it is) didn't just one day decide it was the "cool" thing to go to Dook

 

[gary-7]

September 29, U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York laid out findings from an F.B.I. investigation that uncovered mass corruption, bribery and wire fraud involving some of the sport's top programs. But none of the programs implicated in the FBI probe—including Arizona, Louisville, USC, Oklahoma State, Auburn and Miami—have yet been punished by the NCAA as the FBI continues its investigation and while legal proceedings play out.

"It's not the mid-major programs who were trying to buy players to get to the top," a source told ESPN. "It's the teams that are already there."

This is going to get interesting, sadly. So we already know the six named above, wonder who the other 30 schools are competing to fill out the card...

Well.... just throwing out a thought: One of the FBI's hired agents has been busted for corruption connected to the sting and that will flat kill some cases in court, and they had to dismiss charges against Augustine already. The key will come with what the NCAA does. They are embarrassed by basically turning a blind eye to $henanigan$ that are about as covert as the Goodyear Blimp, so now watch em try to trot out some show-trial hammers. Will they nail the REAL culprits? That remains to be seen.

 

[imajericho]

Anyone wondering why Kentucky hasn't been murdering recruiting lately should know why by now.

 

[imajericho]

Well.... just throwing out a thought: One of the FBI's hired agents has been busted for corruption connected to the sting and that will flat kill some cases in court, and they had to dismiss charges against Augustine already. The key will come with what the NCAA does. They are embarrassed by basically turning a blind eye to $henanigan$ that are about as covert as the Goodyear Blimp, so now watch em try to trot out some show-trial hammers. Will they nail the REAL culprits? That remains to be seen.

They dismissed charges cuz he flipped and helped their investigation. They just denied dismissal for 3 who sought it on their own without flipping.

 

[imajericho]

That said, they won't punish 30 some schools. They will handwave it and change the way they govern. There is no way they can punish 30 odd power 5 schools and still exist.

 

[RoseHeel]

Despite him unnecessarily bringing race into this, he's right. Dook was never the "cool" school when I was growing up. The sudden flip in their culture should raise flags considering all that has recently happened.

 

[thaUNCshow]

Despite him unnecessarily bringing race into this, he's right. Dook was never the "cool" school when I was growing up. The sudden flip in their culture should raise flags considering all that has recently happened.

it's not unnecessary. Watch the 30 for 30 on the Fab 5 if you wanna know what inner city recruits thought of Dook. Dook was always the team full of country club white kids that carried themselves like stuck up rich kids. You think someone like Jahlil Okafor from Chicago wouldve gone to Dook to play with Greg Paulus or JJ Redick?

 

[DrJaaay]

I think there is little doubt about two schools in particular that have been buying their players (maybe more like five or six obvious culprits) ... but I also think no punishment will be handed out.
Don't really care ... I'm a UNC fan!!!

 

[gauchoheel]

 

[RoseHeel]

it's not unnecessary. Watch the 30 for 30 on the Fab 5 if you wanna know what inner city recruits thought of Dook. Dook was always the team full of country club white kids that carried themselves like stuck up rich kids. You think someone like Jahlil Okafor from Chicago wouldve gone to Dook to play with Greg Paulus or JJ Redick?

Not every elite black recruit is from the inner city. And the ones that are haven't gone to Dook in the span we're talking about. In fact, most of the elite black guys that have gone to Dook were nowhere near rough cities like Detroit or Chicago, and don't resemble the guys in the Fab 5 in terms of culture.

The only two exceptions are Okafor and Jabari Parker, who's also from Chicago. Seeing that he's the son of a former Basketball player who is running his own youth foundation, I'm sure he's wasn't hurting for money and doesn't fit the mold you're describing. As far as Okafor goes, The main one driving that recruitment was Tyus Jones. Tyus is a mixed kid from Apple Valley, which has an 83% White Demographic. He fits in perfectly with the mold your describing.

Furthermore, times have changed since the 90s. Not every recruit today thinks of Dook players as "Overrated wimps", as Jalen Rose put it. He also said that they didn't like It wasn't just that they were full of white players, it was also because Dook didn't recruit guys like them. That comes across as hints of jealousy, as they probably wanted to be recruited by the likes of Dook.

 

[thaUNCshow]

Not every elite black recruit is from the inner city. And the ones that are haven't gone to Dook in the span we're talking about. In fact, most of the elite black guys that have gone to Dook were nowhere near rough cities like Detroit or Chicago, and don't resemble the guys in the Fab 5 in terms of culture.

The only two exceptions are Okafor and Jabari Parker, who's also from Chicago. Seeing that he's the son of a former Basketball player who is running his own youth foundation, I'm sure he's wasn't hurting for money and doesn't fit the mold you're describing. As far as Okafor goes, The main one driving that recruitment was Tyus Jones. Tyus is a mixed kid from Apple Valley, which has an 83% White Demographic. He fits in perfectly with the mold your describing.

Furthermore, times have changed since the 90s. Not every recruit today thinks of Dook players as "Overrated Pussies", as Jalen Rose put it. He also said that they didn't like It wasn't just that they were full of white players, it was also because Dook didn't recruit guys like them. That comes across as hints of jealousy, as they probably wanted to be recruited by the likes of Dook.

I'm with you, I'm not saying what Jalen said was true, I'm saying that in the past the stigma/stereotype, especially more so for the black recruits than the white recruits, was that going to Dook wasn't the "cool" thing to do. Just like it wasnt as cool to be a football player and go to Notre Dame instead of going to Miami or that the black community would rather root for the Lakers than the Celtics during the 80s rivalry

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I am so proud we mentioned race on here for the first time AND still listened to each other!

Nothing like the Tar Heel Family!

 

[Tom79]

Grant Hill sure was leaning more toward the Country Club than not...just sayin'...

 

[ProfessorOwl]

Another article:

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-co...hes-top-programs-lottery-picks-224417174.html

As many as 50 programs could be affected. Top programs, HOF coaches, lottery picks all included.

 

[dadika13]

A little birdie just told me Kansas fans should be very afraid of this...

That Yahoo article said half of the final 16 teams should be nervous...my guesses...Duke, UK, KU, Zona, Mich St, Cincy, Oklahoma (This just feels like Trae Young is one of those lotto picks), and Auburn.

 

[ChiShankCity]

considering our last Top 5 recruit was Harrison Barnes all the way back in 2009 I'm not really worried about whether or not Roy was buying players, clearly we're not gonna be one of the teams listed. I'm not sure what they will be able to prove, but it's obvious Dook is dirty. A plethora of elite recruits (especially the Black ones, sorry let's call it like it is) didn't just one day decide it was the "cool" thing to go to Dook

I think it's naive to think you're only going to get in trouble here with the players that committed to your team. I highly doubt the players that got paid or got significant gifts that committed to a particular program got absolutely nothing of consequence from anyone else.

Not saying we're involved in any of it.... but if this is as layered as it appears to be, it isn't just the schools that signed the kids.

Hell, logically speaking... Duke, Kentucky or any other pro factory probably can get away with paying less since they already have prestige and a track record of delivering the end goal of what a lot of these kids want... Playing in the NBA.

 

[Tom79]

Zona, UL, USC, OkSt, Aub and Mia all should be very nervous as the gold badges already visited....and the ncaa...

 

[truetarheelraider0806]

Good read people really want UNC to be in it I will with hold judgement until schools are named I think ncsux should.be worried though. They are not dook or KY

 

[Tom79]

There was that Smith kid....

 

[heels05champs]

There isn’t that many hall of fame coaches that are actively coaching. If the article is referring to active hall of fame coaches, that’s really narrowing things down to some of the possible schools.

 

[truetarheelraider0806]

There isn’t that many hall of fame coaches that are actively coaching. If the article is referring to active hall of fame coaches, that’s really narrowing things down to some of the possible schools.

Yeah I think all of a sudden self's interest in retirement is becoming more clear. Wonder how Capel is feeling cause you know doom will insulate the rat

 

[Tom79]

"sources with knowledge of the FBI investigation told ESPN this week that the clandestine probe could result in potential NCAA violations for as many as three dozen Division I programs, based on information included in wiretap conversations from the defendants and financial records, emails and cellphone records seized from NBA agent Andy Miller. His office was raided on the same day the FBI arrested 10 men, including four assistant coaches, in late September".

I just watched the interview of/from the reporter and he said near the end when all this stuff comes out on the various programs he said some blue bloods will be named and it will shake some folks.
That should be a short list, just up 15/501...

 

[truetarheelraider0806]

"sources with knowledge of the FBI investigation told ESPN this week that the clandestine probe could result in potential NCAA violations for as many as three dozen Division I programs, based on information included in wiretap conversations from the defendants and financial records, emails and cellphone records seized from NBA agent Andy Miller. His office was raided on the same day the FBI arrested 10 men, including four assistant coaches, in late September".

I just watched the interview of/from the reporter and he said near the end when all this stuff comes out on the various programs he said some blue bloods will be named and it will shake some folks.
That should be a short list, just up 15/501...

Lol St some I can name three that will be KU UK AND DOOK UCLA I think is clean and if they are dirty they need to fire their bag man ditto for us

 

[2DDIMOND]

Lol St some I can name three that will be KU UK AND DOOK UCLA I think is clean and if they are dirty they need to fire their bag man ditto for us

Dang man, mix in a comma!

 

[truetarheelraider0806]

Dang man, mix in a comma!

Ok if you read most of my poast I usually do but common man this is not Grammer school this is a message board get over yourself and yes I purposely am not using punctuations now

 

[dgheel57]

Not every elite black recruit is from the inner city. And the ones that are haven't gone to Dook in the span we're talking about. In fact, most of the elite black guys that have gone to Dook were nowhere near rough cities like Detroit or Chicago, and don't resemble the guys in the Fab 5 in terms of culture.

The only two exceptions are Okafor and Jabari Parker, who's also from Chicago. Seeing that he's the son of a former Basketball player who is running his own youth foundation, I'm sure he's wasn't hurting for money and doesn't fit the mold you're describing. As far as Okafor goes, The main one driving that recruitment was Tyus Jones. Tyus is a mixed kid from Apple Valley, which has an 83% White Demographic. He fits in perfectly with the mold your describing.

Furthermore, times have changed since the 90s. Not every recruit today thinks of Dook players as "Overrated wimps", as Jalen Rose put it. He also said that they didn't like It wasn't just that they were full of white players, it was also because Dook didn't recruit guys like them. That comes across as hints of jealousy, as they probably wanted to be recruited by the likes of Dook.

Keep it clean regardless it being a quote.

 

[thaUNCshow]

I think it's naive to think you're only going to get in trouble here with the players that committed to your team. I highly doubt the players that got paid or got significant gifts that committed to a particular program got absolutely nothing of consequence from anyone else.

Not saying we're involved in any of it.... but if this is as layered as it appears to be, it isn't just the schools that signed the kids.

Hell, logically speaking... Duke, Kentucky or any other pro factory probably can get away with paying less since they already have prestige and a track record of delivering the end goal of what a lot of these kids want... Playing in the NBA.

I think it’s also naive to think any of our staff, who are all pretty high character to begin with, would be dumb enough to try anything while there was already an NCAA cloud looming

 

[2DDIMOND]

Ok if you read most of my poast I usually do but common man this is not Grammer school this is a message board get over yourself and yes I purposely am not using punctuations now

I'm not trying to be the grammar police but it's every post. Pretty hard to read IMO.

 

[dtodd4475]

considering our last Top 5 recruit was Harrison Barnes all the way back in 2009 I'm not really worried about whether or not Roy was buying players, clearly we're not gonna be one of the teams listed. I'm not sure what they will be able to prove, but it's obvious Dook is dirty. A plethora of elite recruits (especially the Black ones, sorry let's call it like it is) didn't just one day decide it was the "cool" thing to go to Dook

If I were to "call it like it is" from your comment you are the one of questionable character. Just ridiculous while you are actually calling programs out on their character you just "call it like it is" like that. STRAIGHT AND TOTAL GARRBAGE !!!

 

[truetarheelraider0806]

I'm not trying to be the grammar police but it's every post. Pretty hard to read IMO.

No it's not every poast and I have a simple solution for you... Don't read my poast then

 

[dadika13]

So just an FYI...the agent they phone tapped, Andy Miller, has clients under the age of 30 from:

Syracuse (2), Clemson (2), Arizona, Louisville, Villanova, Texas, Creighton, Florida, FSU, and our pal Austin Rivers from Duke.

 

[strummingram]

I doubt there will be a lot of room for heckling of rival fan-bases. This looks like it could do severe damage to the sport as we know it. I doubt March Madness will be worth watching. There will be many schools from all conferences and it won't leave much to watch. How much pride can you take from a Championship game playing Austin-Peay?

I have a hard time believing that some of these Duke recruits are actually meeting academic requirements as well. I knew people who were friggin' geniuses, valedictorians, and they didn't get in at Duke.

 

[Comibo84]

Try not to take this the wrong way but is no one on this board concerned about this at all as far as UNC is concerned?

I don't want to imply I think anything is going on and our recent success at top recruits should speak for itself. However as a fan of any top program in the country I would be nervous. And I want to believe that Roy is 100% above board when it comes to this crap and don't want to see anymore junk thrown at us.

Hell if I'm the NCAA I'm nervous. What do they do if 30-50 schools are legitimately implicated in this? Hammer them all with scholarship reductions, post season bans and slap coaches with show-causes? It would kill ratings of both the regular season and especially the tournament. And if you let all teams/coaches off lightly doesn't it just show the NCAA is a toothless sham? Or the NCAA plays their admittedly crappy hand wrong and the power 5 conferences decide to break away and form their own body.