SI's Thamel on coaches who could be pursued this year
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Fedora said recently (I believe it was in his Tuesday radio show) that he hoped to be in Chapel Hill for a "long time." Of course that could be taken many ways (if they pay me, etc.) but what our football program needs and has needed is stability. Given what Fedora has accomplished under tough circumstances, I'd like to see him stay and continue to build this program. (Any coach's game decisions will always be questioned by some, but winning is really what it's all about, and we've started doing that fairly regularly!)
Of course not.....they just usually don't say anything about that sort of thing if they're not happy.
I agree. I just hope VT will drop another one and he gets a raise for winning an ACC championship. The fact that I would be a little bummed out if we win 10 games, but can't play for the championship shows how far we've come as a program.
I feel like we have a little more to prove vs good competition before I rank Fedora amazing, or rank this team closer to the low-teens.
Our best win was FSU, but that really-really close. We boomed that kick, but still.
Fed's done a great job coaching up Trubisky, and called plays to put us in good positions, but the wins over Pitt and FSU (esp) were tenuous. Mia and UVA were strong showings, but if I'm hiring i want to see more vs a big team.
Our best win was FSU, but that really-really close. We boomed that kick, but still.
Fed's done a great job coaching up Trubisky, and called plays to put us in good positions, but the wins over Pitt and FSU (esp) were tenuous. Mia and UVA were strong showings, but if I'm hiring i want to see more vs a big team.
Fedora deserves our respect. Look at where this program was a few years ago. Our fans still barely come to games while we're winning, because we're so use to losing. Larry has changed the culture of the team and it's slowly rubbing off on our fans. He deserves to be in the mention for top SEC coaching jobs but would love for him to stay and continue building what he started here.
"Fed's done a great job coaching up Trubisky, and called plays to put us in good positions, but the wins over Pitt and FSU (esp) were tenuous. Mia and UVA were strong showings, but if I'm hiring i want to see more vs a big team."
Blazer, teams don't beat FSU in Talahassee very often, especially UNC. We also beat Miami at their place and both FSU and Miami were ranked at the time. So we have to give Fed credit. Would I hire him if I were Tennessee, Texas, or USC? I doubt it. That doesn't mean he's not a very good coach. It just means I don't think he's ready to lead one of the top programs in the country. And that's good for us.
His coaching ability will be severely tested next year after major personnel losses. If he passes that test positively and we don't take a big step backward, I'll be very impressed. I'm really hoping Hood and Trubisky will return but it's not very likely, especially for Mitch.
Blazer, teams don't beat FSU in Talahassee very often, especially UNC. We also beat Miami at their place and both FSU and Miami were ranked at the time. So we have to give Fed credit. Would I hire him if I were Tennessee, Texas, or USC? I doubt it. That doesn't mean he's not a very good coach. It just means I don't think he's ready to lead one of the top programs in the country. And that's good for us.
His coaching ability will be severely tested next year after major personnel losses. If he passes that test positively and we don't take a big step backward, I'll be very impressed. I'm really hoping Hood and Trubisky will return but it's not very likely, especially for Mitch.
That's true. Before we beat them they had one of the longest, if not the longest, home winning streak in the nation.
This is a trash post, to be honest, and I don't think you even really agree with what you just typed.
Please go here and, using the drop down arrow, look at our record in the 2002 through 2011 seasons and then compare where Fedora has us now. I promise you won't be signing the same tune about "needing to see more" from Fedora. He beat FSU at Tally. Goodness, man.
This thread is about coaches being pursued for big jobs. I think our last two yrs have been close to amazing by UNC standards (which are low), but I still don't think Fed has proven that he is an amazing coach.
Perhaps your definition of 'amazing' is different from mine. Or maybe your def of 'trash post' is different from mine.
Ah, my mistake. I took your first post as you saying "For me, the book is still out on Fedora on whether I'm impressed with him or not."
Given what he was faced with when he came here (scholly limitations, negative recruiting, uncertain future of the program, losing attitude, etc.) I think Fedora deserves a lot of credit for what he has done. We have had and do have some great players (you can name them as well as I) but what we haven't had is depth at many key positions., which IMO is a big key to consistent winning. Fedora has worked with that and is working out of it. I'm not sure we could ask a whole lot more at this point in his tenure (I know- win the ACC, win the bowl games, beat VaTech, win our opening games, etc. etc. etc.) and I think the future looks very bright for our football program.
And he's done all that with disgustingly piss-poor support from our "fan"base. Makes it even more impressive, especially recruiting. I don't know how on Earth we win any high-profile recruit when they come visit us and see a 80% full stadium or less. (But I'm glad they choose us anyway)
It is not the well or the bell or the stone walls . . .
So reports of Les Miles wanting to coach next year got me thinking. If Fedora were to leave for a bigger program this year, would Miles be someone we should consider? Maybe Chizik since he is already here?
Fedora. Where is he going to go? Texas wants Herman. Sumlin is doing well at A&M. I do not believe LSU and he would have mutual interest.
I'm not naive to think he won't leave, I just don't see any openings that fit.
The thread was about him being in line for another job. It's just a hypothetical situation. The natural next question would be who would be the next hire for us. Just something to talk about until the game starts.
Man, I can't handle another coaching search right now
haha. Plus it is hard to think of a replacement because we aren't NC State just looking for another mediocre coach to replace another mediocre coach. We would be looking to replace arguably the second best (could ever end up being the best) coach in our history.That's not an easy coaching search.
can't even, and don't want to, get to this place right now...too nc state'ish for me...are you a wolfer in ramses clothing?
Well, let's just hope we don't have to replace him. He's doing a really good job, and our program desperately needs stability.
Stability, unless it is the stability of permanent 6 or 7 wins, is hard to overemphasize. And this staff has done a superb job of laying the foundations for a program that rightly expects to win every year.
That said, we probably have to think about replacement possibilities. No winning football coach cares to have some educrat embarrass him publicly when he is trying to help a friend in need. Folt mishandled it terribly, and Fedora may well have decided then that he had had enough.
Add to that the fact that based on what he has accomplished with all the looming NCAA issues, Fedora now is decidedly underpaid.
The educrat bimbo embarrasses you in public, and per the market you are under paid.
That is not a recipe for a coach staying.
Your assumption is that the loss to Dook would rule Fedora out for another job. But that is far from certain. A conversation this morning with an SEC fan I hadn't seen in a while can help see that. He asked me if I now think Fedora has already committed to leaving. His reasoning to get to that question? He remembers that I had pointed out in the past that many times when a team loses a game in a weird way, the team just seeming dead on its feet or in its mind, just playing with no life or spark, that the coach is headed out the door.
Players pick up from the staff, which picks up from the HC. If the HC is seriously thinking of a new offer, his uncertainty will be felt by all. And that easily can lead to a team looking slow and dazed, even uninterested, even in rivalry games.
Well... see ya later, Larry. He showed what can be achieved at UNC, but also showed there's more there, if you're a dedicated coach. If he's checked-out, and it's affecting our team NOW? I hope wherever he goes, he fails miserably.
That makes zero sense. You honestly think Texas or LSU is going to hire Fedora after losing to duke? If he is committed to leaving it's going to have to be for a lesser job.
