Check this out. So sick of bias against the Heels. Plus the big goon walked every time he touched the ball.
So Meeks was out of bounds....
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I saw that at the time and was yelling at the TV to throw the ball in before a review.Check this out. So sick of bias against the Heels. Plus the big goon walked every time he touched the ball.
I'm assuming you're complaining because it looks like the guy inbounding it has one foot over the line, but we inbound the ball so quickly that probably 30-40% of the time after a made shot our inbounder doesn't even get a single foot out of bounds before inbounding. We are the last team on earth that should complain about that.
If you're implying there is some other violation here, let me know.
If you're implying there is some other violation here, let me know.
Not complaining. Simply a response to all the crap today about Meeks.
Yeah, but Meeks was definitely out of bounds, and the ref was right on top of it. We'd all be furious if that situation was the opposite. I don't have any issues with people being upset about that particular call. Obviously, there were bad calls the other way, but that was a huge moment and it was reviewable and not reviewed, which makes it a little different.
Just a makeup for the Pinson "block" on the other end.
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What about the one ref overturning the other two on pinsons phantom tip that resulted in Gonzaga possession and a made 3 pointer? That was actually a much worse call..
Oops was beaten to it
Meeks was probably touching the ball when his hand touched the line but I never saw a camera angle that showed both at the same time. I think the missed calls we probably about even. No tip by Pinson that resulted in a 3 for the Zags. Big Boy walked several times with no call. The Zag kid rolled over with the ball (a walk I'm pretty sure) before making the pass to the Big Boy for his only basket (and Hicks 4th foul). Wouldn't put too much on that one play on Meeks.
I haven't gone through all the threads so someone has probably mentioned what I'm going to say, but no doubt he was out of bounds; if you don't admit that, you're really biased...but I watched the replay and even took a picture of the replay, and don't you guys think Meeeks was fouled by Big Show? I took a pic but I don't know how to post it, but Mountain Man clearly reached in across Meeks' arm and that caused Meeks to fumble it anyway. Have any of you seen that reach-in? I'm not a homer, but those two missed calls somewhat equal out.
It shows how much media bias there is. Yes it probably was incorrect call but it doesn't sweeten the win for me any less. The several walks by Williams Goss, the overturn on the phantom tip by Their which lead to a 3 for them, hicks last shot was easily an and one, and on and on.
Calls were missed both ways. Tons of fouls last were called but to pick out 1 is ridiculous and media stoking their anti UNC feelings or just trying to stir the pot and have something for people to discuss.
Bottom line:. UNC = National Champs!
Calls were missed both ways. Tons of fouls last were called but to pick out 1 is ridiculous and media stoking their anti UNC feelings or just trying to stir the pot and have something for people to discuss.
Bottom line:. UNC = National Champs!
Meeks was mugged by Sasquatch with no call, the only reason the ball left his hands. The proper call in that situation would have been Foul on Karnowski.
Gonzaga is not dirty, but they are terribly physical. There were many, many uncalled fouls that benefited the Zags greatly. Karnowski genuinely should have fouled out in the first half, and the other two Zags bigs should have midway thru the 2nd half. They foul, foul and foul some more.
Gonzaga is not dirty, but they are terribly physical. There were many, many uncalled fouls that benefited the Zags greatly. Karnowski genuinely should have fouled out in the first half, and the other two Zags bigs should have midway thru the 2nd half. They foul, foul and foul some more.
That's what I was alluding to--thanks. Granted I haven't been wasting time on the internet, but why aren't others mentioning this more? That's a legit question; I don't want to hear about ABCers, media bias, etc...but Grizzly Adams, from what I saw, came across Meeks' arm to knock the ball out, which was a clear foul to me; however I don't see a lot of people talking about that. Why not?
Zags foul, foul and foul some more and dare the refs to call it. Refs called a medium percentage last night, the very best we were likely to get - so that was "fortunate" for us.
More people are not mentioning the Karnowski foul because the winners rarely go around posting footage/captures of bad calls/plays that went against them. We are too busy celebrating!
It's the losers most frequently posting those pics and clips. I could make a 10 minute montage of calls/no calls that hurt UNC in last night's game, but won't bother - we won ANYWAY!!!
Meeks' hand was out of bounds before he ever had any control over the ball. That still of his hand out of bounds is irrelevant.
Don't forget about Tillie basically clipping Bradly at the ankle going after a loose ball that lead to Lumberjack getting an and 1.
Meeks was fouled in that exact play by Karnowski. Watch the whole play, he didn't lose control of the ball, Karnowski hacked his forearm and that caused him to lose control of the ball. He should have been fouled out there and the out of bounds call wouldn't have come in to play.
You talk about Knowsi traveling .. that one time in the second half when he put up that shot under the basket I thought he was teaching a line dancing class and nothing was called.
I made a post last year after the title game about merit pay and NCAAT advancement for ref's based on a points system filled out by the head coach of each team and submitted to an independent accounting firm and just take those f'ing tools and agenda driven dip sheets in the ncaa completely out of the mix and I stand by it to this day !!
I made a post last year after the title game about merit pay and NCAAT advancement for ref's based on a points system filled out by the head coach of each team and submitted to an independent accounting firm and just take those f'ing tools and agenda driven dip sheets in the ncaa completely out of the mix and I stand by it to this day !!
This site has the Meeks' play in question and being discussed at length, please note the enhanced angle the one camera has . .
http://www.sportschannel8.com/sc8-investig8s-meeks-bounds/
http://www.sportschannel8.com/sc8-investig8s-meeks-bounds/
Yeah, he was OOB. Yeah, he was chopped across the arm or else he has an easy two points. No, the play is not reviewable.
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I called in to a radio station and the salty guy denied this ever happened after I told him it did. He then said, "I don't know what game you watched by I watched the whole thing." Meeks' hand WAS out of bounds, but it was there because he lost control of the ball, and he lost control because the Brawny guy committed a reach-in foul that was UNCALLED.
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OK, so maybe his hand was out of bounds and we got two points afterwards, but that only makes up for the following..
1. BS "tipped" ball called on Theo, which leads to 3 points for the Zags.
2. The steal by Joel where that fat lumberjack choked / body slammed Berry to the ground... Joel got ALL BALL! Should not have been two FTs for the lumberjack at all.
That's 5 points they should never have had the chance to score. Getting so damn tired of them showing this one play on d-spin and saying it could've cost Gonzaga the title. Well, they were still behind and with as good as defense was, I don't think they score anyway. Didn't we close on an 8-0 run.
Suck it haters! HEELS are the CHAMPS!
1. BS "tipped" ball called on Theo, which leads to 3 points for the Zags.
2. The steal by Joel where that fat lumberjack choked / body slammed Berry to the ground... Joel got ALL BALL! Should not have been two FTs for the lumberjack at all.
That's 5 points they should never have had the chance to score. Getting so damn tired of them showing this one play on d-spin and saying it could've cost Gonzaga the title. Well, they were still behind and with as good as defense was, I don't think they score anyway. Didn't we close on an 8-0 run.
Suck it haters! HEELS are the CHAMPS!
nope, watch the replay. his hand was out of bounds before both players had possession. when the jump ball was called meeks was completely in bounds. excellent call by the ref.
And Pinson got crushed to the floor trying to get the loose ball before they passed it to Karnowski.
I am assuming you just do not know that if Meeks touchs the ball at any point while out of bounds that it is out of bounds off of him.
It was clearly a missed call, but they missed many the other way also.
This.
Plus - didn't they even review the Pinson "block" and still give the ball to the Zags?
Much worse than just missing a call.
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Imajericho is right, I think. Meeks should have been called out of bounds but with the scrum happening so fast, it is easy to miss where the ball is, when whoever is out of bounds.
They couldn't review the Pinson no tip wrong call, that ended up in an immediate 3 for the Zags, because it happened at around the 4:30 mark. They can only review calls like that (out of bounds / possession) under 2 minutes. But that was the far larger, egregious missed call.
Plus some of the travels and bull rush moves that Karnowski got away with were funny they were so blatant and bad.
And the choke slam on Berry, after he stole it cleanly. Wow. One thing that bothered me in the game: Raftery. Ready for him to be gone. Wanted them to "play on" when Berry got criminally assaulted. I could really tell he had a rooting interest for Zags and against UNC for some reason. Fine. He's not the first announcer to have a preference.
But there are so many people out there that are better overall. Grant Hill was fine. Nantz was fine. I always thought Kellogg was decent. I'd like it if the 3 were Shulman, Bilas, Kevin Harlan. To me these are the best 3.
The media response to this has been a complete joke. Look the call was missed as many others, but to concentrate on this call shows the bias against UNC. The one guy I saw defend it was Ellis on ESPN on who pointed out the missed call on the three point shot that was clearly not tipped. That resulted in a 3 by Gonzaga. The none call on Meeks resulted in a 2 point. So in reality refs gave an extra point to the Zags. In addition, Meeks was fouled before any of it happened anyways. F the media.
I think Meeks was out of bounds but it doesn't matter, there were missed calls that went both ways. Joel was nearly decapitated by Karny but I guess they decided joel fouled his open hand with his throat? I have seen less evidence convict for assault, we are talking hand around Joel's throat and Joel gets the foul call? LOL
This ^^
I wasn't 100% sure Kennedy was touching the ball and the OOB line at the same time, but I was certainly relieved when the ref blew the whistle to start play again.
That said, this brings up an important point - refs miss calls every game, sometime a lot of them. Teams simply have to overcome them and move on ( and yes I say that when they go against us). Even in this game we saw the Zags step on the end line while inbounding, awarded the ball on the clearly blown Theo tip call (after which they made a critical three) and get the ball or free throws on several phantom calls (as did we). It's unfortunate, but it happens. But as Roy said after the Duke loss in the ACCT, you have to keep playing. Carolina did that Monday night just a little better than Gonzaga and that's one of the reasons we have another Natty.
BTW, I can't commend Few or his players enough for taking the high road about the officiating. They seem to get it, unlike one of our favorite foils, one John Vincent Calipari.
Hey. The SOB's aren't taking away the kid's national championship with their pissin' and moanin'.
My only answer to anyone talking trash about the game is......UNC 6 TIME NATIONAL CHAMPS!
What was that you said.....I couldn't hear you because I'm still listening to my 6th ONE shining moment!
Go Tar Heels! (BEST U EVER!)
Go Roy! (BEST COACH IN BBALL!)
Ceiling!
Roof!
Champs!
What was that you said.....I couldn't hear you because I'm still listening to my 6th ONE shining moment!
Go Tar Heels! (BEST U EVER!)
Go Roy! (BEST COACH IN BBALL!)
Ceiling!
Roof!
Champs!
Yeah Raftery ticked me off when he said the foul on the Zags was "ticky tack" when Berry was fouled shooting the 3 but the same exact call had gone against the Heels moments earlier and he said nothing after Britt had barely brushed the guys hand. He definitely seemed to be pulling against the Heels when it came to questionable calls.
One of the worst calls came when against Pinson when he was guarding #5(Goss)? and Goss drove the lane, traveled and ran in to Pinson who was backing away and Pinson drew the foul call. The 90% FT shooter missed one of the FTs which fortunate and reminded me of the old saying "ball don't lie".
And how about Williams Goss slamming Pinson twice with his shoulder to get some space for the bank shot that have them the lead at 65-63. Pinson looked around like "really?" the second one almost knocked Theo down.
Right! And the announcers Raftery especially had an on air orgasm about this "great athletic play". Barf.
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