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I despise that they keep raising the income phaseout each year, yet I will never see much if any of my money back. I thought I was done paying this tax this year already but they raised to $118,500 from $117,000. I despise paying into this socialist ponzi scheme and at least like the small mental satisfaction of getting a few checks without social security tax withholding.

From: http://www.ssa.gov/planners/maxtax.html


When you have wages or self-employment income that is covered by Social Security, you pay Social Security taxes each year up to a maximum amount that is set by law. That amount has changed frequently over the years.

For 2015, the maximum amount of taxable earnings is $118,500.

The maximum earnings for each year since Social Security taxes were first collected in 1937 are shown below. If you:

  • earned more than the maximum in any year but had only one job, the amount we use will be just the maximum amount.
  • had more than one job, the total that is recorded may be more than the maximum. However, we only use the maximum amount to calculate your benefit estimates.

    Note: When you have more than one job in a year, each of your employers must withhold Social Security taxes from your wages without regard to what the other employers may have withheld. You may then end up with total Social Security taxes withheld that exceed the maximum.

    Example: In 2014 you worked at company A and earned $63,000 before you switched employers. At company B, you earned $56,000.

    Social Security taxes would be withheld from the $119,000 you earned in 2014, but the maximum taxable earnings for the year are only $117,000.

    You claimed a refund of the Social Security taxes withheld from the last $1,300 in earnings when you filed your 2014 personal income tax return with the Internal Revenue Service.

Maximum Taxable Earnings Each Year
1937 - 50
$3,000 1982 $32,400 1998 $68,400 2014 $117,000
1951 - 54 3,600 1983 35,700 1999 72,600 2015 118,500
1955 - 58 4,200 1984 37,800 2000 76,200
1959 - 65 4,800 1985 39,600 2001 80,400
1966 - 67 6,600 1986 42,000 2002 84,900
1968 - 71 7,800 1987 43,800 2003 87,000
1972 9,000 1988 45,000 2004 87,900
1973 10,800 1989 48,000 2005 90,000
1974 13,200 1990 51,300 2006 94,200
1975 14,100 1991 53,400 2007 97,500
1976 15,300 1992 55,500 2008 102,000
1977 16,500 1993 57,600 2009 106,800
1978 17,700 1994 60,600 2010 106,800
1979 22,900 1995 61,200 2011 106,800
1980 25,900 1996 62,700 2012 110,100
1981 29,700 1997 65,400 2013 113,700
 
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If you are bitching about paying taxes and in the same part of the rant you drop that you make more than $120K per year, then you come off as a jackass.

Just sayin.
 
I despise that they keep raising the income phaseout each year, yet I will never see much if any of my money back. I thought I was done paying this tax this year already but they raised to $118,500 from $117,000. I despise paying into this socialist ponzi scheme and at least like the small mental satisfaction of getting a few checks without social security tax withholding.

From: http://www.ssa.gov/planners/maxtax.html


When you have wages or self-employment income that is covered by Social Security, you pay Social Security taxes each year up to a maximum amount that is set by law. That amount has changed frequently over the years.

For 2015, the maximum amount of taxable earnings is $118,500.

The maximum earnings for each year since Social Security taxes were first collected in 1937 are shown below. If you:

  • earned more than the maximum in any year but had only one job, the amount we use will be just the maximum amount.
  • had more than one job, the total that is recorded may be more than the maximum. However, we only use the maximum amount to calculate your benefit estimates.

    Note: When you have more than one job in a year, each of your employers must withhold Social Security taxes from your wages without regard to what the other employers may have withheld. You may then end up with total Social Security taxes withheld that exceed the maximum.

    Example: In 2014 you worked at company A and earned $63,000 before you switched employers. At company B, you earned $56,000.

    Social Security taxes would be withheld from the $119,000 you earned in 2014, but the maximum taxable earnings for the year are only $117,000.

    You claimed a refund of the Social Security taxes withheld from the last $1,300 in earnings when you filed your 2014 personal income tax return with the Internal Revenue Service.
Maximum Taxable Earnings Each Year
1937 - 50
$3,000 1982 $32,400 1998 $68,400 2014 $117,000
1951 - 54 3,600 1983 35,700 1999 72,600 2015 118,500
1955 - 58 4,200 1984 37,800 2000 76,200
1959 - 65 4,800 1985 39,600 2001 80,400
1966 - 67 6,600 1986 42,000 2002 84,900
1968 - 71 7,800 1987 43,800 2003 87,000
1972 9,000 1988 45,000 2004 87,900
1973 10,800 1989 48,000 2005 90,000
1974 13,200 1990 51,300 2006 94,200
1975 14,100 1991 53,400 2007 97,500
1976 15,300 1992 55,500 2008 102,000
1977 16,500 1993 57,600 2009 106,800
1978 17,700 1994 60,600 2010 106,800
1979 22,900 1995 61,200 2011 106,800
1980 25,900 1996 62,700 2012 110,100
1981 29,700 1997 65,400 2013 113,700
I have no problem with you keeping all you earned. After all YOU earned it. Wish they would offer a SS buyout. I'd take it in a skinny minute.
 
I have no problem with you keeping all you earned. After all YOU earned it. Wish they would offer a SS buyout. I'd take it in a skinny minute.

I have no problem with it either. But there is no need to drop in the amount of annual earning. That takes an admirable and worthwhile post and turns it into a wealthy person complaining about taxes.
 
What options RH?

Jackass because my SS projections says I will only get 70% of projected payout by 2033? 5 years ago it said 70% by 2038. The jackasses are our politicians who do nothing about it and our public for voting them in.
 
What options? I don't know of any way to get out of SS minimums.
With that said, I totally get what he's saying. It's like a mid-year raise that you give back every January. And it's just frustrating that the bar is pushed higher every year. I know, if you dealing with it, you're doing better than most, but doesn't make it less frustrating given that your benefit will be capped but contributions contine to go higher every year. They'll do away with maximum altogether at some point.
 
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Look, I feel I understand the frustration of taxes as well as anyone as I have run a business and filed sales and use as well as income taxes in as many as 15 states in a given year, which also means I paid registration fees, license fees and so on. Taxes suck. Just leave it at that without throwing in the fact that you are grossing more than $120K- that is the part that makes one sound like a jerk.
 
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Jesus essentially said give to Caesar what is Caesar's, so I will always pay what is asked of Caesar. Although, it does not mean I have to like it nor lobby for Caesar's laws to be changed. If making a high income makes me a jerk to some narrow minded folks, so be it. My income could be taken away any day by the good Lord. The only way to have this discussion about phaseouts is to talk about incremental income because that is the basis of our entire progressive tax system.
 
Good grief Louigi, get over yourself. Having a high income does not make you a jerk. Telling everyone you have a high income makes you come off as a jerk.

Is this just me? I was brought up to never talk about how much money I make, nor ask others the same. Is that one of those rules that has gone out the window too?

ETA- Regarding Social Security (and Medicare)- I think this is tied in very closely to immigration. Lou is correct that SS is a ponzi scheme and for it to work, there need to be more working people than there are retired ones. Birth rate has been down in this country for a while and high immigration is the answer to that problem.
 
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You guys need to lighten up. I don't think he was throwing his income number around other than to start bitching that he's impacted by phaseouts. If you're not impacted by phaseouts, I can understand the deduction that it's a rich guy complaining about taxes. Logically, you can't really bitch about it without starting with the number. Now, if he was really going at it, he would have told us he hit the number in March...or April...or June...or November.

Also, I know it's SS "tax" but in the context of the program it's paying into a retirement plan that doesn't make economic sense for anyone able to save money.
 
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OK, 71-00, IF it makes you feel better about this subject, I was bitching about it in 1991 when I made $5000 for the year, but the phaseout was over $55K. It has more than doubled now with essentially no benefit to younger workers unless one becomes disabled. I was an impoverished student at UNC in 1991 but knew this would happen eventually. So would I be a jerk in 1991 with $5000 income if I brought it up then on a non existent world wide web???? Maybe the real jerks are those who call others jerks when income amounts are mentioned.
 
I've been bitching about social security for years- you and I are close to the same age- and have never felt the need to drop a number on how much I make. If you want to be the guy who talks about how much money you make, have at it.

@jcolucci - it is a tax, not a retirement program, for people who make well above national average. I guarantee you and Lou have 401s, IRAs and other retirement plans. But for those people who go thru life consistently earning below national average, SS is their retirement package. My grandfather worked for the post office and railroad and my grandmother depends on his SS to pay her monthly bills, and I can assure you she isn't getting much. But it's enough for her.
 
I wonder how many people would truly opt out of SS to invest on their own?

Personally, I’m not counting on collecting mine, but you never know. Regardless, I would not opt out of a guaranteed return. I’ve seen pensions go away. I’ve seen 401ks dry up.

I’m willing to bet very few would actually opt out of given the chance.
 
I wonder how many people would truly opt out of SS to invest on their own?

Personally, I’m not counting on collecting mine, but you never know. Regardless, I would not opt out of a guaranteed return. I’ve seen pensions go away. I’ve seen 401ks dry up.

I’m willing to bet very few would actually opt out of given the chance.
I would most certainly opt out of SS in a heartbeat and many others would as well. I would not mind if the Gov't made me save for retirement and buy my own individual disability policy, but let me invest how I choose and leave a legacy to my own family, not others.
 
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Returns are low but I don’t see where you are getting the notion that you’ll pay more than you take. Unless you believe it will be gone which is probably silly. SS can be fixed but old people won’t touch it.

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSBRE89H0YG20121018
 
Returns are low but I don’t see where you are getting the notion that you’ll pay more than you take. Unless you believe it will be gone which is probably silly. SS can be fixed but old people won’t touch it.

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSBRE89H0YG20121018

I don't believe it will be gone - I just believe the estimates that it'll be 70-75% funded and unless they print money, that'll result in a reduction of benefits paid out.

Personally, I'd rather have the onus of saving and investing be on myself as opposed to the government.
 
I don't believe it will be gone - I just believe the estimates that it'll be 70-75% funded and unless they print money, that'll result in a reduction of benefits paid out.

Personally, I'd rather have the onus of saving and investing be on myself as opposed to the government.
I’m willing to bet we find a way to make sure it is funded. I.e raise the retirement age and move the cap up a bit past $120k.

I have a diversified retirement plan and would opt-in to Social Security if given the chance. A guaranteed return is not promised anywhere other than SS. It is needed and valuable.
 
A guaranteed return is not promised anywhere other than SS.

This isn't true. US Treasuries are available for the general public to purchase on their own.

It is needed and valuable.

Yes, for people who are incapable of saving/investing on their own, this is the case. I don't fall into that group, which is why I'd prefer to do it on my own.
 
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This isn't true. US Treasuries are available for the general public to purchase on their own.



Yes, for people who are incapable of saving/investing on their own, this is the case. I don't fall into that group, which is why I'd prefer to do it on my own.
The problem is a good portion of people aren’t capable of doing it themselves and if a large populace goes completely bankrupt with no income, it would be a massive blow to our economy.

It’s part of the collective we live in.
 
Returns are low but I don’t see where you are getting the notion that you’ll pay more than you take. Unless you believe it will be gone which is probably silly. SS can be fixed but old people won’t touch it.

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSBRE89H0YG20121018
This notion comes straight from the SSA. The post a disclaimer on their estimates they mail every 5 years that says that if congress makes no changes to current laws that SS will only be able to pay 77% of benefits in 2033. The one I got 7 years ago had the same statement but had the year 2038. So, we lost 5 years from that one. If this trend continues, say bye bye to SS as we know it.
 
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The problem is a good portion of people aren’t capable of doing it themselves and if a large populace goes completely bankrupt with no income, it would be a massive blow to our economy.

It’s part of the collective we live in.

I agree, although I think having people pay a bunch of money into a program only to receive a portion of it back in payouts in retirement is also a blow to the economy.

I don't have the perfect solution for it, but I do think it's messed up to tell millennials to fund baby boomer's retirements, when the projections point to there not being enough money in the system to fund the millennials retirement once we get there.

It'd be equivalent to someone skimming 12% off your allowance/paper route money for your entire childhood to fund college education for the kids older than you, and then once you got to college age, having that same funding organization say "sorry, all we have left for you is enough for an online class or two, hope you understand...".
 
I agree, although I think having people pay a bunch of money into a program only to receive a portion of it back in payouts in retirement is also a blow to the economy.

I don't have the perfect solution for it, but I do think it's messed up to tell millennials to fund baby boomer's retirements, when the projections point to there not being enough money in the system to fund the millennials retirement once we get there.

It'd be equivalent to someone skimming 12% off your allowance/paper route money for your entire childhood to fund college education for the kids older than you, and then once you got to college age, having that same funding organization say "sorry, all we have left for you is enough for an online class or two, hope you understand...".
That’s based on your premise that we don’t fix it first.
 
That’s based on your premise that we don’t fix it first.
They don't call social security "the third rail of politics" for nothing. G W Bush was trying to fix it with some pretty good ideas, but then 9/11 happened. Like most things politically sensitive, politicians will not touch SS until it is too late and the fix is forced, options are limited, and we all get screwed.
 
That’s based on your premise that we don’t fix it first.
How could it be fixed? Raise taxes, move the date to collect further out? Either way, I screws people in my age group and younger.

I also know that if given the option to self invest, the Wal-Mart generation people would never do anything but spend it on PlayStation, tv's, and ramen noodles.
 
How could it be fixed? Raise taxes, move the date to collect further out? Either way, I screws people in my age group and younger.

I also know that if given the option to self invest, the Wal-Mart generation people would never do anything but spend it on PlayStation, tv's, and ramen noodles.
Extend the cap out to $200k

Push back the retirement age to 65 and 68. Grandfather in people above 55 to stay with the current retirement age.

No one is getting screwed there. Just making some
Tough choices.

Your later point is why SS needs to be saved. People in this country don’t save properly for retirement. Letting a huge chunk fend for themselves would wreck havoc.
 
Extend the cap out to $200k
That won't work because then you have to pay folks more in retirement based on income contributions. I am just happy I max my SS tax and and done paying around May-July.

The other main problem is that half of WV fraudulently claimed the have black lung and are on SS disability. The best fix is to shut down SS disability all together and force folks disability contribution to buy their private own individual policies
 
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