Some things I'm learning about our recruiting...

[alabamaheel]

Yeah. Here's another factor: Some certain programs dont play as clean and/or straight-up as we do. That's not an excuse. It's a fact.
We don't have a World Wide Wes, or a Capel, or a Pasternak, nor should we ever.

And nobody here that I've seen is "overhyping" anybody... and nobody has to "save face", whatever the hell that means.
Jalek is a stud. Best Lead-PG in this class.
Platek and Brooks can flat play and I'll take either in any class we recruit.
Manley was in all likelihood destined to be Top-50 before catastrophic injuries. If, I repeat IF he can recover while he's here then Roy got a damned steal. If not? Oh well. Worth the risk.
Huffman is a project with size and strength.
Plus all except Jalek are likely 4-yr players.

and the thing that I love Gary is that,all but with the exception on JF will be here a few more years, improving, getting stronger, and smarter. VETS. While all that "5 star" talent will find way to the NBA and not win in the college game. Not a hard concept really. I would love to see the same talent that duke and ky gets, but heck they cant keep em. Fact, we are seeing a dropoff. Fact Roy will dress a team next year, and one more... we will all be there to cheer em on baby.

 

[franklin street]

Absolutely nothing you said there is false. Yet some people here for some unknown reason take that as us bashing players/Roy/Dean Smith/Phil Ford/etc.

So sensitive.

even if this did turn out to be roys worst recruiting ever, i'm still so happy about the championship that if we win more than 8 games next year i'm good.

coach smith always said to blame the coaches for the losses.

 

[tarheel0910]

You guys and I know all about you and your clique, revel in coming on this board( which some of you claim to HATE... ironic isn't it??? but you are here day after day after day throwing as much cold water as you can on the team, Roy, hell anything just to have a "discussion"

I was going to try to stay out of this thread, but I want to make one quick comment. The vast majority of the posters on this thread and other threads who are arguing about this, don't belong to the "clique" you are referring to. I'm not even sure they know that board exists. There are a couple people on this board who like to push that narrative, but you guys are really just arguing with yourselves 9 out of 10 times. I understand that it feels better to blame other people for your problems though. Alright, I've said what I wanted to say. I'm out, you guys have fun.

 

[dadika13]

When there are posters here (not you) who call the reasons we're having recruiting issues "excuses", that is a direct slap at Roy.

Yeah but he's basically a Dukie so I don't really lump him in with the rest of us.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Since I know you're referring to me, I'll take the time to address it.

Roy is doing all he can. I grasp that situation. But I don't think the scandal is the ONLY factor as to why we aren't getting better players. And when people try to save face by overhyping the lower ranked kids we have coming in, that's what I mean by excuses.

See? Give them and Roy a chance BEFORE condemning them, to failure.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Honest question 34, what do you think is our problem with the recruiting drop off besides the scandal?

This should be good.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Definitely a "Miracle Whip" kinda class coming in next season

That's a relief. Miracle Whip is the best. Really.

 

[Littlejon]

I really don't have a dog in this fight, but I feel the need to chime in nonetheless. As far as recruiting goes, to me it is a crap shoot. You can have the best class in the world and still not win for any number of reasons. Happens every year.

Here is what I DO know. Roy has been knocked for his recruiting since he got to Chapel Hill. In that time, he has brought us 3 National Championships. People knocked kids in every class he recruited in all those years except the first one, when everyone liked to point out none were kids he recruited.

Now, when I look at dook and Kentucky, who everyone LOVES to talk about in terms of their recruiting classes and how poorly we compare to them, what do I see? Well, not much. In that same span only dook can say they have come close to UNC in terms of what those classes have produced from beginning of the season to the end. Anyone want to take any of dooks classes over any of Roy's in that time frame? I don't. And for all of Cal's recruiting prowess, and I freely admit the man can certainly get the recruits, what have they done?

Bottom line for me is this: I will take a "mediocre" class with Roy coaching them over a banner class with anyone else any day of the week and twice on Sunday. The man has done everything anyone could possibly ask him to do at UNC under the absolute worst circumstances possible and he has still produced. And people still bitch about the man. If it isn't recruiting it's his use of timeouts or his lineups or his lack of focus on beating dook in the regular season.

I guess some people are never happy with anything.

 

[Archer2]

Are you not better than sophomoric insults?

Get real, that comment wouldn't even raise an eyebrow on OOTB. Much more harsh things are routinely posted there.

It would appear to me that if there is any hand wringing , it's coming from those who can't stand dissenting opinions. I have only stated that I don't see big contributions from the big men not rated in the Top 100. I am not putting any of them down and history tends to support my opinion. Tony leaving may very well force them into more play time than they are ready for and force the team to rely on wing scoring.

This is total BS. We're not the ones constantly lamenting the lack of "elite big men". This isn't rocket science. In a nutshell:

We'd all love to sign a couple of elite big men, Roy and staff pursued them very hard the last 3 years and only managed to convince Tony to sign with us. But we have what we have, and no amount of beating that dead horse is going to change that. We can beat that horse till it's a bloody pulp and it's not going to miraculously add a top 15 big guy to our roster for next year. That's an indisputable fact. So until our staff can entice a couple of elite big men to come to UNC, and they will eventually, we have to live in the real world and deal with what we do have like adults. Meanwhile, the staff is working their tails off to sign a great class for the following year, just like they always do.

Since I know you're referring to me, I'll take the time to address it.

Roy is doing all he can. I grasp that situation. But I don't think the scandal is the ONLY factor as to why we aren't getting better players. And when people try to save face by overhyping the lower ranked kids we have coming in, that's what I mean by excuses.

This "trying to save face by overhyping the lower ranked kids we have coming in" is one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen on the board, and that's saying a lot. We're playing with the hand we've been dealt and remaining positive. It's called being adults. Bemoaning things you can't change isn't.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Are you not better than sophomoric insults?

No he isn't. So, so obviously.

 

[montana_heel]

I would be curious too as to other areas that are affecting recruiting beside the NOA.

Does anyone else think that recruiting is cyclical to a certain degree? At some point, the guys who are hot better produce a championship or they won't be quite as shiny of a penny to recruits. I have heard that some of these guys only care about showcasing themselves and not necessarily winning championships. Great. We don't want them. If we get a OAD, hopefully it is a guy who chooses based on a chance to win a championship first and showcasing second.

I am excited about next year. I always will be. But one reason why is for recruits to see a successful team without any lottery picks on the team.

I have a feeling that this cycle is about to turn in our favor big time. I am not in the know (pretty tough to be where I reside) but Felton, Black, White already committed with what sounds like more talent in the area that is interested sounds very promising. It feels like Roy is starting to get a good groove with recruits in that he the three that he signed are not very top of the class but have the talent to be there. They are not necessarily on people's radar to be one and done but will still be great players. Sprinkle in some 4 year players and a OAD here and there. Great recipe.

I think we can multi task well enough to discuss these things and still enjoy last year. Pretty sure Roy is doing that.

 

[Archer2]

No he isn't. So, so obviously.

You probably have less room to talk than anybody on the board, grumpy.

 

[carolinablue34]

Yeah. Here's another factor: Some certain programs dont play as clean and/or straight-up as we do. That's not an excuse. It's a fact.
We don't have a World Wide Wes, or a Capel, or a Pasternak, nor should we ever.

And nobody here that I've seen is "overhyping" anybody... and nobody has to "save face", whatever the hell that means.
Jalek is a stud. Best Lead-PG in this class.
Platek and Brooks can flat play and I'll take either in any class we recruit.
Manley was in all likelihood destined to be Top-50 before catastrophic injuries. If, I repeat IF he can recover while he's here then Roy got a damned steal. If not? Oh well. Worth the risk.
Huffman is a project with size and strength.
Plus all except Jalek are likely 4-yr players.

Get real, that comment wouldn't even raise an eyebrow on OOTB. Much more harsh things are routinely posted there.

This is total BS. We're not the ones constantly lamenting the lack of "elite big men". This isn't rocket science. In a nutshell:

We'd all love to sign a couple of elite big men, Roy and staff pursued them very hard the last 3 years and only managed to convince Tony to sign with us. But we have what we have, and no amount of beating that dead horse is going to change that. We can beat that horse till it's a bloody pulp and it's not going to miraculously add a top 15 big guy to our roster for next year. That's an indisputable fact. So until our staff can entice a couple of elite big men to come to UNC, and they will eventually, we have to live in the real world and deal with what we do have like adults. Meanwhile, the staff is working their tails off to sign a great class for the following year, just like they always do.

This "trying to save face by overhyping the lower ranked kids we have coming in" is one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen on the board, and that's saying a lot. We're playing with the hand we've been dealt and remaining positive. It's called being adults. Bemoaning things you can't change isn't.

You're right. We are playing with a hand we're being dealt and if Tony stays in the draft, it's not a good one.

Our rivals are consistently out recruiting us. That's going to catch up to us sooner or later. I'm not trying to seal our doom, just stating reality. Because there is a big difference between PJ Washington/Wendell Carter and Brandon Huffman/Sterling Manley.

Don't try to fan police me archer, that crap is annoying.

 

[gary-7]

You're right. We are playing with a hand we're being dealt and if Tony stays in the draft, it's not a good one.

Our rivals are consistently out recruiting us. That's going to catch up to us sooner or later. I'm not trying to seal our doom, just stating reality. Because there is a big difference between PJ Washington/Wendell Carter and Brandon Huffman/Sterling Manley.

Don't try to fan police me archer, that crap is annoying.

Not as annoying as restating the doom over and over and over... and over.

 

[Archer2]

You're right. We are playing with a hand we're being dealt and if Tony stays in the draft, it's not a good one.

Our rivals are consistently out recruiting us. That's going to catch up to us sooner or later. I'm not trying to seal our doom, just stating reality. Because there is a big difference between PJ Washington/Wendell Carter and Brandon Huffman/Sterling Manley.

Don't try to fan police me archer, that crap is annoying.

I'm not fan policing anybody. If you want to continue to moan and groan about something that is beyond all our control, by all means continue. It's a reflection on you, not anyone else.

 

[ajklum]

Keyser...then what would they talk about? You can only say so many things positive, before you have to face the realizations that DOOM is on us all. Some ppl just like to complain about the nitpicky things that bother them and this is a good platform for that. They are mostly all supposed to be at work...working...but instead they are here raising the white flag in the hopes that the OAD universities will take pity on us as return the championship backcourt and a 5 star recruit in Felton and a couple of 4 stars that nobody else wanted and some 3 stars that couldnt make their church league team. Woe is me and all Tarheel Fans!

Truth is, I think we are going to be a pretty good team next year. Still fighting with Dook for the ACC and will make the sweet 16 (at least). And that is without Knox. With him...we will be marginally better, but lets face it he is an incoming freshman. I dont think he is a OAD. He will goto combine after next season and they will tell him to work on his perimeter shooting and get stronger.

 

[carolinablue34]

Not as annoying as restating the doom over and over and over... and over.

Is it as annoying as insisting that everything is going to be just fine next year and we have nothing to worry about?

 

[gary-7]

Is it as annoying as insisting that everything is going to be just fine next year and we have nothing to worry about?

Huh? If JB comes back everything WILL be fine next season --- if Tony comes back too then they will be more than fine;

 

[carolinablue34]

Huh? If JB comes back everything WILL be fine next season --- if Tony comes back too then they will be more than fine;

Well we agree on that much. Throw Knox in there we are contenders again.

Right now the whole roster for next year is in limbo, so there's only so much guessing we can make.

There's a best case and worst case. The worst case is what concerns me.

 

[Heeelz46]

Well we agree on that much. Throw Knox in there we are contenders again.

Right now the whole roster for next year is in limbo, so there's only so much guessing we can make.

There's a best case and worst case. The worst case is what concerns me.

The worst case is pretty brutal. But we have the championship, it will make it a little easier to bear if that comes to pass. But I imagine in December if things are tumbling down the rabbitt hole some of those holier than thou types pacifying us will be the ones on here losing their collective minds, that you could bank on.

Hopefull Berr Brad and Pin all come back.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

No he isn't. So, so obviously.

All I know is you have the UGLIEST avatar on our board!

 

[itstartedwithmj]

What kills me is all this whining & negativity & the team isn't even fully formed. Can you imagine, when the season starts? I can see this is going to be a fun place to keep up with team news & discuss basketball again this year. There really needs to be two boards here. Those who are negative & complain all the time could whine together on their board & the rest of us could actually enjoy this board.

 

[Archer2]

The worst case is pretty brutal. But we have the championship, it will make it a little easier to bear if that comes to pass. But I imagine in December if things are tumbling down the rabbitt hole some of those holier than thou types pacifying us will be the ones on here losing their collective minds, that you could bank on.

Hopefull Berr Brad and Pin all come back.

Actually, it's much more likely that you guys will be on the board daily saying "I told you so."

Look, we're all Carolina fans. As such:

We all want UNC to succeed. We'd all love to see UNC sign a top 10 class every year, including the seemingly elusive "elite big men". We all realize that this isn't one of Roy's best classes, it's quite possibly on of his weakest classes on paper. We all realize that it's could very well take a couple of years for our young big men to contribute a lot. We all know that means we could very well struggle next year, especially if Tony and Joel depart. So you're preaching to the choir when you voice these concerns over and over, as if we weren't painfully aware of them already. We're all on the same page here, right?

No one is overhyping our recruiting class. It's a solid group of guys that most coaches in the country would love to have coming. In time, it could develop into a very good class. Or, it could be a mediocre class. We shall see. Meanwhile, I have confidence that the staff will work very hard to get these guys up to speed ASAP, hell one of the big freshmen may have to start from day one. Nothing like trial by fire to speed up the learning curve. And I have every confidence that the staff will not cease to beat the bushes on the recruiting trail and try to sign the very best possible class next year.

As a fan, that's all I can do. Keep the faith if it's warranted, and it certainly is, and root for the guys who will don the baby blue next year. We'll go to battle with the guys we have.

 

[Sk1310]

Arch is killing this thread

 

[soap - new and improved]

The worst case is pretty brutal. But we have the championship, it will make it a little easier to bear if that comes to pass. But I imagine in December if things are tumbling down the rabbitt hole some of those holier than thou types pacifying us will be the ones on here losing their collective minds, that you could bank on.

Hopefull Berr Brad and Pin all come back.

You imagine, is right. You're off base by far here. It is the negative crowd that start throwing Roy and the players under the bus at the first hint of rain or a minor bump in the road. If you had been here a while (or paid attention) you would already know that.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Blowing sunshine and roses up everyone's ass is no more productive than being doom and gloom on every little thing.

Like everything in life, a balance is best. What kind of discussion forum would it be if there was no discussion?

 

[TarHeelNation11]

All I know is you have the UGLIEST avatar on our board!

I'm thankful to finally be rid of it.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

and the thing that I love Gary is that,all but with the exception on JF will be here a few more years, improving, getting stronger, and smarter. VETS.

Are you predicting that Jalek will be OAD?

Even if he might be good enough, it would be really a stretch unless he starts. Meaning it seems unlikely if Joel returns.

 

[HeelFan58]

Get real, that comment wouldn't even raise an eyebrow on OOTB. Much more harsh things are routinely posted there.

This is total BS. We're not the ones constantly lamenting the lack of "elite big men". This isn't rocket science. In a nutshell:

We'd all love to sign a couple of elite big men, Roy and staff pursued them very hard the last 3 years and only managed to convince Tony to sign with us. But we have what we have, and no amount of beating that dead horse is going to change that. We can beat that horse till it's a bloody pulp and it's not going to miraculously add a top 15 big guy to our roster for next year. That's an indisputable fact. So until our staff can entice a couple of elite big men to come to UNC, and they will eventually, we have to live in the real world and deal with what we do have like adults. Meanwhile, the staff is working their tails off to sign a great class for the following year, just like they always do.

This "trying to save face by overhyping the lower ranked kids we have coming in" is one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen on the board, and that's saying a lot. We're playing with the hand we've been dealt and remaining positive. It's called being adults. Bemoaning things you can't change isn't.

Damn Arch you seem to like to spend some time on OOTB. In fact just recently saw you over there admonishing CB34 for insults he made on Radar

Who is this "we"? Are there Radar teams that I don't know about? I also haven't been "wringing my hands about big men" , I simply pointed out, when you predicted that Brooks or as you said "you wouldn't be surprised" if he averaged double figures in scoring. I then pointed out historically that UNC big men recruits even in the top 10-15 ratings have rarely , very rarely been able to achieve double figure scoring in their freshman season. This did not disparage Roy , his recruiting or the recruit , yet you have been so completely out of sorts(see no gene pool or reading comp insults) since , that you had to start this thread just to call out everybody that won't fall in lock step with your (based on history) unrealistic expectation. I just don't follow how discussing player expectations and not agreeing with yours is bemoaning or being negative.

 

[Archer2]

Damn Arch you seem to like to spend some time on OOTB. In fact just recently saw you over there admonishing CB34 for insults he made on Radar.

I do spend time on OOTB, just like you spend time there and here.

Who is this "we"? Are there Radar teams that I don't know about? I also haven't been "wringing my hands about big men" , I simply pointed out, when you predicted that Brooks or as you said "you wouldn't be surprised" if he averaged double figures in scoring. I then pointed out historically that UNC big men recruits even in the top 10-15 ratings have rarely , very rarely been able to achieve double figure scoring in their freshman season

Don't take things out of context. What I said was that if Tony leaves and Brooks or Huffman has to start and play major minutes, I could see them putting up 10/5. Do you really think it is a stretch to think neither of those guys could do that if they were playing starter's minutes?

This did not disparage Roy , his recruiting or the recruit , yet you have been so completely out of sorts(see no gene pool or reading comp insults) since , that you had to start this thread just to call out everybody that won't fall in lock step with your (based on history) unrealistic expectation. I just don't follow how discussing player expectations and not agreeing with yours is bemoaning or being negative.

You're full of it. Cite one instance where I said you or anyone else was being critical of Roy. You can't because I didn't. Did you even bother to read my post above? We're all UNC fans. We're all aware of our potential shortcomings. You're preaching to the freakin' choir.

We have what we have and we, as fans, can't change a thing. I'm saying accept that fact, have a little faith in our staff, and hope for the best. I'm through trying to convince you that the sky isn't falling. Carry on.