This was a character created by Shakespear, which allowed a more common person to challenge the elite without repercussion. Now, from whom does this remind you?
Sometimes, the fool is the only person allowed to tell the truth...
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If you try to claim Donald trump is a “common person” then you’re even more retarded than he is.
Trump is a pauper compaired to some on this planet.
And where did you go in the other thread? Is it that easy to squash your arguments?
You have lost your damn mind.
Don't be so clingy. I'm too busy for drawn out political debates at the moment.
Insult all you want. Trump is a man who is rich enough to not fall to the temptation of an Obama, but not rich enough to side with the injustice of the banking system.
You changed your argument. The original one was that trump is a “more common person” like a character from Shakespeare. Are you going to walk that back and acknowledge that the original claim was ridiculous?
You disproved your own point. Obama is far closer to a common man than trump, considering the fact that he is nowhere near as wealthy. Of course they are both elites, but relatively speaking, trump is much further away from the common man. He’s a silver spoon fed brat with a rotted out brain.
I’m going to bed now. Nothing good happens on this board after 3am.
You completely missed my point. It wasn't that Trump was a "common person" or that Obama was a "common man", it was that Obama was dependent upon the truly rich to get elected, and Trump wasn't. I'm sure you understand the issue with political campaign donations and lobbyists.
See you in the morning, princess.
Donald Trump is not challenging the elite. He desperately wants to be the elite. For the most part, he is the elite. He likes to pander to common people in order to provide the illusion that he is somehow common himself.
He does seem to prefer to play the role of the fool, however. His motivation isn't to challenge the elite, either. He probably bothers career politicians because of his uncouth behavior. The true elites are going to be just fine regardless of Donald Trump.
He does seem to prefer to play the role of the fool, however. His motivation isn't to challenge the elite, either. He probably bothers career politicians because of his uncouth behavior. The true elites are going to be just fine regardless of Donald Trump.
I'm not saying that he's part of the "common folk". I just want to make that distinction clear.
Trump is obviously an elite to people like you and me, but would you put him on the same level as Buffet, Soros, or the Koch brothers? Would you put him on the same level as dynasty bankers like the Rothschilds?
And, you believe he's challenging any of those people with this alleged fool role that you've proposed? How's he telling the truth about them by being the fool?
I'm not sure I see the profound connection with your Shakespeare analogy.
He's doing damage to globalism, which is how most of these people have made their money. I would constitute that as challenging their authority.
Most of their money is off-shore already. BTW, are you now telling me that the tariffs are no big deal because I remember a different conversation just a few days ago about that issue?
Yes, he is just one man. He's one very simple-minded, easily-threatened 12-year-old boy that never grew up. He bothers "liberals" by acting like an asshole. He manages to empower some of the worst characters in society.
Who is his Treasury Secretary? Steven Terner Mnuchin... Case closed. Met the new boss, same as the old boss.
I'm not a big fan of Mnuchin either, but there's no denying that Trump isn't the status quo globalist. Is he perfect? Not by a long shot. He's still better than what we've had in the recent past.
I don’t think I said they’re no big deal. Putting words in people’s mouths isn’t cool...
I’m gonna let strum keep waxing your ass and go back to studying though.
That's kind of what you're implying in this thread. Trump is a globalist, but he's hurting globalization by implementing tariffs? Which is it?
Mnuchin is all the proof I need. The status quo is firmly in-place.
Hey... if you're content with getting some kind of kick from his uncouth behavior and "seeing liberals upset" then that's great. That's all you're getting. And, don't think that won't have consequences. This appeal and empowerment he gives (either directly or indirectly) to white supremacists and other unsavory groups, will came back around.
He's nothing like this grand alternative that you attempt to portray. He's got the Swamp right in his cabinet. He's just as crony as anyone else. He is not a leader in any way. His priority is Donald Trump, it always has been and always will be. He can feign this nationalist/patriotism BS to get ahead and pander to the other nationalists and play on their fears like any good politician. But, he has no intention of challenging anything that is really controlling the game-board. he doesn't even mention challenging monetary policy... AT ALL. If anything, he fvcks-up what's already in-place. What else would you expect from a multi-bankrupt SFB that couldn't make money in the casino business. You got the carnival barker as your hero.
Whatever this vague "globalism" monster you fear is your cross to bear. I can promise you that Donald Trump isn't standing in its way... lol. He's probably more likely to comp their meals!
The cost of the tariffs is being passed on to laborers and consumers. The “globalists” are doing just fine.
He put more money in the elite’s pockets by cutting the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%. I didn’t imply anything about tariffs. But as usual you just try to setup a false dichotomy and misrepresent people’s arguments.
Once again, you realize that most of that big corporate money is sitting down in Bermuda or some similar place already, right? You also know what pass-through is, right?
And most of their production is offshores, so the tariffs have little effect on those people. They don’t need to bring steel into the us. Small businesses do though.
Their wealth may be stored in Bermuda but cutting the corporate tax rate still puts more money in their pocket that can then be moved to Bermuda. Maybe trump should have passed laws against using tax havens instead of helping out his billionaire buddies by cutting their taxes.
I dunno, is it?
Does Trump criticize The Fed? Other than the usual token "don't raise rates, it makes me look bad..." no, he doesn't. Donald Trump doesn't understand that our entire economy is based on, built on, and backed by monetized debt. If he does, he doesn't mention it.
I agree. It will come back around. Just like Obama's kowtowing to minority groups has "come back around" and you see what we have now because of it.
And that will never change. You would be better off to not even worry about that.
Actually, that money starts out in Bermuda and they move it to the US as needed. Although, most of the time, they would rather borrow from the banks than to move any cash to the US and pay the corporate tax rate. Our corporate tax rate should be zero. If you want to raise taxes, do it at the individual level.
How is Trump going to single-handedly change how the economy works? We're stuck with this system until we're replaced as the world's currency, at which point this county will basically burn to the ground. It's going to be like watching one of those 'Purge' movies.
Really? They built their wealth in Bermuda?
The money started here, then was moved to tax havens as they opened up. Now they move it back here when they need it. If you don’t tax the initial corporate income then they will never pay taxes at all.
I'm not worried about it. I'm aware of it. It's being aware of that and then realizing that as long as that is the case, then we have very little, if any, control over the governmental procedures. Having all of us in perpetual debt is pretty limiting!
And, believing that Donald Trump is some kind of wrench-in-the-system is a joke.
He's not. I've already stated that he's probably clueless as to monetary policy. He's not even going to challenge it, question it, criticize it, or anything else. His Secretary of Treasury is your obvious proof.
As I said, Trump is ideal for the thrill of pissing-people-off. That's it. Lap it up. That's his contribution.
That's where their corporations are set up, dude. They pay zero tax, then as they move it back to the U.S. they pay whatever the difference is in the rate. So, if they were in a country with a 10% tax rate, they would pay 11% when they brought it over to the States right now.
I’m aware of that. But those corporations didn’t actually start in bermuda. They shifted their wealth to tax havens as they opened up.
