Always a thread on here about who may be Roy's successor when that time comes. Always a couple Stackhouse supporters that throw his name out. Well, I guess that candidacy has come to a screeching halt. Not turning around the Vandy program would eliminate him anyway, but his recent comments about his critics would now make him a PR nightmare.
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I think not turning around vandy is a misnomer. Are they better and winning more? Most definitely. He can’t recruit to a dead hole of book worms. Btw I like vandy, that was a joke! But, with the UNC name and brand??? That’s a diff story. He’s not on the top of the list but he’s done well for himself. With all that said, LOL they do suck.
Vandy's had a decent basketball program. Made the tourney 8 times since 2003. Bryce Drew recruited two 5 stars in his last year there (they stunk that year, for sure). If Stack can't do anything there he's definitely not ready to coach at Carolina.
But yet some would say someone on the bench that has NEVER been a HC is ready to coach at Carolina!
I would rather have a Stack that coached as a HC at Vandy, and didn't do well but now has HC experience than a coach with zero HC experience!
JMO
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I love Stack as a great alum but still scratching my head as to him being a viable candidate here.
Given the potential options, how about neither for the time being?
Why would Stack not be a "viable" candidate? I think when the time comes there will be so many great candidate's, so we may have a few more options, but for sure Stack would be in consideration. HE DID JUST COACH D League team to championship a couple of years ago. So a former Heel and former winning coach is not a viable option.
Because there are lots of people here that are not going to be satisfied with anything less than Hubert getting the job.
Personally IDC if the hire is with in the family or not as long as it's good. Being in the family should never be a prerequisite.
Carolina should have to interview coaches and try and get one they should be picking the coach they want!
Few
Bennett
Chris Beard
Scott Drew
Dana Altman
Chris Holtmann
Those are all no-brainer top coaches who are miles better than Hubert, Stack, and Wes right now. You have a ton of others who've shown more as of now too (Underwood, Hoiberg, Painter, Musselman, etc). There are lots of great candidates outside the family.
Bennett
Chris Beard
Scott Drew
Dana Altman
Chris Holtmann
Those are all no-brainer top coaches who are miles better than Hubert, Stack, and Wes right now. You have a ton of others who've shown more as of now too (Underwood, Hoiberg, Painter, Musselman, etc). There are lots of great candidates outside the family.
He doesn't coach the system and coaching GLeague has little transfer to college coaching.
I can’t see Hubert or Stack being viable options at this point. Both are too unproven for what I would want to see in the next coach. I get the feeling Hubert would take the program to mediocrity pretty quickly and Stack needs to show me something at Vandy. I’m still pulling for Wes to get a P5 job and show he can win at that level because personally he may have the most upside if we stay within the family.
not sure why you guys feel like the brand is gone forever if someone outside the family takes over. Do you think Bama regrets hiring Nick Saban instead of someone from Bear Bryant’s coaching tree? The family atmosphere is great, but want to know what has always been a bigger staple of UNC? Winning. Competing for championships every year. Being the flagship program in the country. There isnt one coach in the family right now that has proven they can sustain that level of success. Go get the Oregon or Texas Tech guy and let him succeed with more resources. The same people moaning about how a family member HAS to be the pick will be the same people moaning when UNC is going 8-8 in the ACC every year while Altman or Beard are going to final fours at UK, KU or Dook
I want the best coach we can hire. As long as he runs a clean program, graduates his four year players, and wins at a high level, I’m all in. I’m hoping he will run an uptempo offense.
We’ve been fortunate to “keep it in the family” for the last 60 years. All good things have to come to an end. At this point, I don’t see a viable candidate from the UNC coaching tree. Maybe in a few years. Let’s get the best candidate, period. So much the better if he’s from within the Family, but that shouldn’t limit the pool of candidates. JMO, many will probably disagree.
We’ve been fortunate to “keep it in the family” for the last 60 years. All good things have to come to an end. At this point, I don’t see a viable candidate from the UNC coaching tree. Maybe in a few years. Let’s get the best candidate, period. So much the better if he’s from within the Family, but that shouldn’t limit the pool of candidates. JMO, many will probably disagree.
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Winning matters most. Period. I don’t care what kind of belly aching peeps have. IMO some put too much into the system. If you don’t have the horses to run the race then you get mules. LOL. My only grip on Roy through the years is the fact that he won’t change. That’s great if you don’t need to but we’ve seen in lately and there are definitely a few things he can do to help some of these outcomes. We all know him and can see it on his face “dadgum it if y’all would just do what I say then.....” Roy can still get it done but he can’t continue to lose players early. He has to have seasoned vets, as do all champions
What part of my post are you SMDH about?
Is it the part where I said some won't be satisfied, or where I said I wanted the best for the job?
Maybe it was the part where I said we should be able to pick who we want because we are Carolina?
I honestly believe if I posted we are the greatest basketball school in the world you could find cause to argue with me, or disagree.
Do you or do you not think Hubert should get the job and that he is the best for the job because Roy is grooming him and you don't want it any other way?
Yeah I don't expect Few or Bennett to leave, but just listing them for completeness (could've listed Jay Wright too I guess). Don't know if there are any issues with Drew/Altman, but they've been very good at Baylor / Oregon. Anyway, the point is there are quite a few choices. To me, winning matters more than getting an alum.
I certainly hope it stays in the Family, but will be happy with a good coach who runs a clean program! I am one who thinks Hubs is being groomed for the job and I can't think of a better place to learn how to handle this job than where he is right now! Characterizing this as meaning I will only be satisfied with Hubs is misreading or deliberatie obfuscation, however! I would love for a coach like Few, Bennet, or Stevens to come on down but it ain't likely! Winning is important, but doing it the right way, even if it happens slower is way better!
I’m pulling for the zags this year but in the back of my mind I would love it if they lost and didn’t win one til Roy retires. LOL would make it easier for Few to leave.
Couldn’t agree more. I don’t think there’s any doubt that Hubert is being groomed for the job, doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll get it but he’s in the “pool” of potential candidates. I also think the three you mentioned will be content to stay where they are. It‘s going to be extremely interesting to see who replaces two legends in the college game at two top five programs. Cal might even retire, Lord knows he’s sucked enough money out of UK. That’s another top five program that may be looking for a new coach as well.
Cray cray days!
Of course you don't. And if you knew anything about the sordid history of bama football you'd realize it is totally nonanalogous to UNC basketball. And Roy hadn't proven anything to anybody (except Dean E. Smith) before he was hired to be HC at a blueblood program. Oh, and I'd be willing to wager dook doesn't go outside the Rat-klan coming up in a few years either, even though the legacy of their system pales in comparison to ours.
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Well. If you're looking for a silly shortcut, I could just as well be SMDH at your uninformed approach to pretty much everything you post. And good Lord, project much? Seriously?
LMFAO.
So as normal you are not looking to discuss, you just want to try and be obnoxious with anyone that don't agree with you, as if you know better than anyone else.
So as I ask you are and Hubert for replacement and you don't want to have it any other way.
What makes you so much more informed.
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Can't we just move Platek a few seats up the bench and have him take over?
SMDH you have an uninformed approach to everything you post on here.
Roy couldn't see that Platek should have been starting over Coby, but we are suppose to trust him in replacing him in grooming Hubert to take over.
We can't understand this because we are so uninformed! We are just measly fans we don't understand!
I've heard rumors that the Bulls are looking to draft him to take over for Coby.
Will keep you updated as I hear more.
For the record, Dean Smith wanted Rick Majerus to take over at Carolina when he left. So I don't think Dean was as tied to this family thing as some of our fans are.
If it's from within, then great. But you certainly don't give the position to a guy with no head coaching experience without kicking the tires on some far more accomplished veteran head coaches.
If it's from within, then great. But you certainly don't give the position to a guy with no head coaching experience without kicking the tires on some far more accomplished veteran head coaches.
I think the reason Dean was ok with that hire is because his definition of what the family is, isn't the same as most people here seem to have. I don't think he ever thought the family was about a system or where you got your degree. It was about the atmosphere created and maintained by the former players.
He knew that it was going to be up to them to maintain that by teaching and helping current players. Either by coming back during the summers and helping them with their game or by being a network to help them with life off the court. He was smart enough to know that it wasn't all about him or whoever held the title of head coach afterwards. It was so much bigger than that. As long as the next coach understands that, then it doesn't matter where he comes from.
Yes, of course! If there happens to be a great coach from the UNC tree available when Roy does hang them up fine, go get him. If it is a close call then by all means hire the former Tar Heel but right now I don't see anyone really ready to take over for Roy that is from his coaching tree. A couple have some degree of success but they do not have major conference experience, I really do not like the idea of Hubert until he takes over his own program and is able to come from under Roy's shadow and put his own system in place. Doing so in addition to Hubert having to leave quickly should require 5 or 6 years of seasoning so he can grow in to the job. Not sure I could say Roy will coach that long so that Hubert can really be ready.
Right now, if it came down to it and the decision had to be made at the end of this season, while I would see if mark Few would in any way consider it (I do not think he leaves zaga) it would for me come down between Jay Wright and Beard with maybe Beard being my front runner.
What I can not understand is this thinking that our next coach absolutely must come from either the UNC tree or the Roy tree of coaches, did we not learn a dam thing by making the panic Matt hire? You hire the guy that is the most ready for this challenge where winning at the highest level is the expectation every season, a coach used to recruiting at the big time level and developing his players within his system. You do NOT hire the almost ready guy, you hire the MOST READY guy!
A suggestion and maybe what I would do if I were the AD, I would talk to Phil Ford, see if he feels he has the steam left to take over, sort of a Mack Brown type of hire. I know, Phil has never coached his own program but trust me, there are some factors that in my mind tells me Phil is a rare exception, that if he still has the energy could step right in and keep us at the level Roy has us and maybe a bit higher. He could be a bit of a transitional guy even at his age that could allow for some of our former guys to mature enough so that they could take over one day. Mr Tar Heel is an ICON like no other!
I think we just got really lucky that Roy was as obvious of a choice as he was. He fit both things we want, a great coach who can recruit at a top program and a member of the UNC family. We just had to talk him into eventually coming over.
I wish, though now it's looking doubtful, that we're in the same position where we just have to talk the obvious choice into it. Again, don't see us getting lucky there twice.
Am I the only one who thinks Jay would never leave vill? Would love to have him but he’s won ships there. I don’t see him even giving a sniff.
Again. just STOP with the silly projection. Hell. you'd argue about the damned weather on a cloudless day if it was something I posted.
And of course, your "question" is just your usual disingenuous provocation and weak trolling... and of course as usual, topped off with another catty little shot for good measure.
If you could ever advance past that sort of juvenile nonsene, then maybe serious posters would take you seriously. Just a thought...
Coming from the guy that argued about the time stamp on the board being wrong, rather than admit he was wrong!
I'm not looking for approval, or acceptance form strangers. Damn you are a sad human, go ahead and just say you are 100% in the camp on this topic I said you was and let's more along.
It's not me you have an issue with you have an issue with anyone that doesn't agree you or your way of thinking.
Was you bullied in high school‽
I will throw in Haase.s name out in Stanford. He has shown he can recruit 5 star talent and play in big time games and win. I saw a documentary recently and he was described as one of the MOST competitive people Roy has ever coached. I think we should keep an eye on him as a possible successor. He did coach here for 8 years and knows the territory very well.
FTR: I have never said the coach had to come from the UNC tree! I would prefer someone with intimate knowledge of our ways and the Family atmosphere. I do think Hubs is being groomed and that might include a HC job and very soon. I forgot completely about Phil Ford since he messed up his previous chance, but this idea is intriguing! He has the NBA connection, Icon status, proven recruiting chops, and extensive coaching experience. If he has exorcised his demons and still has that fire, I say check him out! Maybe MJ and Sheed can be his assistants, lol! 1st all Icon coaching staff in history!
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