I'll swear! Reading a LOT of these post it sounds like some of you wish we had lost! smh
Stats and stuff (Arky game - NCAAT)...
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Or maybe complaining about the refs just isn't necessary for every little run down. That ever occur to you?
Why don't you and the rest of the "closet dwellers" that are offended by my comments, either not read them, and/or don't quote me?
If it bothers you that much DON'T RESPOND to gary's post!
That ever occur to you?
You mistake my reaction as being offended. I'm simply allergic to homeristic bullshit that you and others espouse daily.
I have put around a dozen folks on ignore. Pretty sure it includes some of the posters you are dealing with here (I can't see their posts, and like it better that way).
The board reads so much cleaner now. I am 99% certain some of them are dookies in disguise.
Anyone who doesn't agree with you (aka any rational person) is a dookie.
I do wonder what goes in in your head that pushes you to that conclusion. Dropped as a child maybe?
I've never put anyone on ignore. I like my board dirty. And i'm pretty sure you're a dook fan.
Cause we like lol'ing
It also invites an argument about officiating instead of a discussion about the game itself. JMHO.
I thought the keys to the game were offensive rebounding and shot selection. We shot horribly throughout the game, but had 39 FG attempts in the first half thanks to 14 offensive rebounds. Arkansas limited us to 4 offensive rebounds in the second half which meant only 24 shot attempts.
We settled for too many jumpers when the shots just weren't falling. After Arkansas scored its last point, we had a missed jumper by Hicks and a missed 3-pointer by Berry, but got the Meeks tip-in, 2 dunks, and 6 FTs.
Ikr! Its like they would enjoy blaming the refs for a loss more than enjoying a win! Smh!
I prefer not to whine about the refs after every single thing that doesn't go our way. Damn, I'm such a closet dookie. I just don't know what I'm going to do with myself.
stfu with your logic and condensed thoughts...you leave too much room for discussion and debate.
is ignoring people something inherent or something you're coached up on?...i ask you because you admittedly ignore people on a message board, basically under the assumption they are duke fans...you ignore people based on fandom, correct?...does that sound logical?...if so, more or less logical than an ncaa referee conspiracy against carolina from advancing in a tournament or winning a national title?
hopefully i'm not on ignore so you'll respond...i am certainly not a duke fan.
...or it's like not having basic reading comprehension skills, not to mention that we didn't lose. But, carry on...
Joel was pushed by the trailing guard in to the defender so many wanted to call a charge for, funny how so many wanted to call it a charge but didn't want to consider why Joel was moving away from the basket vs toward it on a drive? LOL
Now as for the refs in this game, they let them play rather than call ticky tack fouls, I prefer that to the constant march to the line and refs calling the tick tac nonsense. I would suggest Arky benefitted more from that than we did but only because they play a more physical style than we see allowed in the ACC.
Up 17 first half, that game should have been over at the half and that ain't on the refs.
That's true. But it takes two to tango. Those calling gary out for complaining about the refs could very easily just pass up the opportunity to call him out. So gary is no more to blame than those that make it their mission to "set things straight".
Why does it have to be an argument? You disagree with someone why the need to win, why not just disagree and let it be. I don't agree with gary on much of the ref stuff, have shared that with him, I don't need to prove him wrong, seems to often the mission of some are to prove someone else wrong I get his position and he gets mine, we just don't agree on the point, does not mean we have to be jerks toward each other. Some times it is just best to let someone believe what they do even when you strongly disagree.
There is a great angle of the Berry play on Twitter (Jesse Holley maybe?). It was either a foul on Arkansas or a no call. He got arm barred by his defender then scraped across the face by the secondary defender, who was never set anyway. There isn't a very good argument for anything on us on that one. Regardless, the no call helped us. We also got lucky on the ball that Meeks clearly tipped, though there was only 1 second left on the SC anyway. The officials were fine. They let them play on both sides for the most part. It may have benefited them style wise but it kept our guys out of foul trouble as well.
UNC lost their composure at times but then got it back at the end of the game, which I didn't really expect but was really good to see. Also, there were a number of times where we just had bad bounces go their way, which happens. It was a tough game that the Heels pulled out. Good to see considering there have been times when they have played this way where they would have probably lost.
UNC lost their composure at times but then got it back at the end of the game, which I didn't really expect but was really good to see. Also, there were a number of times where we just had bad bounces go their way, which happens. It was a tough game that the Heels pulled out. Good to see considering there have been times when they have played this way where they would have probably lost.
I rewatched the replay this morning. That was probably the worst basketball this team has played all year in that 10 minute stretch in the second half. I literally dont think its possible for the team to play any worse. At least at virginia we were able to catch a basic chest pass. While watching it live you get caught up and it goes so fast, but being able to relax watching knowing the outcome, it really was astounding how badly they executed.
I have a substantial number of peeps on ignore and I really enjoy the board. There are a couple of more that I almost never agree with, but they express themselves logically (even if I think they are usually wrong). I don't understand the constant stalking of each other that goes on here, but the real closet pukies can't respond to me so at least I get that!
Great win and incredible toughness from the good guys!
Go Tar Heels!
Great win and incredible toughness from the good guys!
Go Tar Heels!
Mikey, for some it's just a hopeless cause. It is said that small minds lean to generalizations. So to those, talking about officiating is tantamount to whining or blaming. Hell, I can only think of one loss I'll put squarely on the zebras, and that was that ACCT hose job. Granted, we pulled out a few in spite of some of their best(worst) efforts (like the home win vs dook+ Nestor+Jones), but that notwithstanding, officiating is a part of the character of any given game.
Whether it's called tight or loose, fair or one-sided, consistent or inconsistent, competently or incompetently --- or any middle ground in between these extremes --- is as important as passing or shooting or rebounding. So what about this one? You could've walked into the studios Sunday morning at either CBS, TNT, ESPN, ESPNU and asked their expert panels of former players and coaches --- Bilas, Gaudio, Barkley, whichever: "if the UNC/Arky game is called 'loose' who does it favor?" I will flat guarantee you that to a man they would've said Arkansas --- hell, they probably would've snickered that it was even a question.
OK, so it was what it was, a loose whistle is what we got. That happens. As I said, we needed to play through it, and sometimes we didn't. I also said that the one redeeming factor for this crew was that they were at least relatively consistent in their passivity, and we were finally able to take advantage of that late having a foul to give.
That being said, where I took issue is the incompetence to let it get to the point that it did, where, in the second half with the game intensity obviously ratcheting up, they too often just swallowed their whistles. That's the sort of amateurish reffing that gets people hurt, and is often the root cause of fights.
For just one example, take that key put-back play by Meeks. I'm glad it worked out, but it was absurd and dangerous what was allowed to happen to Berry on that drive. This has been GIFed several places so I'm not gonna bother to reprise it, but Dog was literally fouled by 2 guys on 4 different parts of his body. First #31 dives into his path with his off-shoulder (which almost always draws a whistle), then continues to ride JB pushing him into #2, who executes an eye-gouge (worthy of my Avatar) and follows through to grab JB's wrist, yet has the audacity to flop thereafter.
Here's the thing. Not only did he get eye-gouged, the shove caused him to step on #2's foot with --- that's right --- his injured ankle (hopefully that didn't reaggravate it). How sad is it that most of us (myself included) at that moment assumed they were gonna make matters worse and call JB for a foul or travel? We're just conditioned to expect it. The real point is that any decent ref whistles that play before he even got to #2. That was an obvious call that is made 90% of the time.
So, I'm just gonna leave this here, Mikey. Some will read it and "get" it, and some won't. Frankly, as for those who won't, I don't give a flying damn.
"Coaches me up". Funny.
It used to be a point of emphasis for me never to put anyone on ignore on any of the boards I visit. Even the most extreme posters. But the negativity, and constant running down of our team and coaches was making my visits to this board a negative in my day rather than a positive.
Rather than have to sift thru what I consider a bunch of garbage posts, or quit visiting this board, I finally, after many years, made the decision to start blocking certain people. I don't block all opposing fan posters, and I don't block all those with whom I disagree.
I block those with a manner of posting I find to be both extremely negative toward our players and coaches, and imo post in a disagreeable fashion - on a very regular basis.
I do believe some of those I have blocked are closet dookies. Whether they are, or not, doesn't really matter at all, I blocked them because I was tired of reading their posts, not due to any affiliation.
When I finally started blocking certain posters this board became enjoyable to me again. As in all things, YMMV. Do what suits you.
I encourage anyone who is tired of reading my posts to do the same. No skin off my back.
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FWIW, I went back five games prior to ours, and Arkansas had more fouls in every game than their opponent. Usually it was only by a few more but against Fla and UK, it was nearly half again as much. They can stop bitching about disparity in number of fouls when it clearly is the norm for them.
No, it seems you prefer to whine about those who do comment on reffing.
And I'm ok with that. We all have our quirks
