Stats and stuff (exhibition)...

[gary-7]

...and this will be brief since it's an exhibition.
(for those who weren't around in previous seasons, I post these analyses to share some numbers I keep that may not show up in the box score, such as differentiating between Fast Break and Secondary Break points (performance by player combos, etc)

Again, being an exhibition I'm not gonna bother with many numbers this time, however:
Joel Berry - 20 pts, 6 Assists (3 more blown), 4 Steals (5 more caused TOs) 1 TO in abbreviated minutes and made almost everything he shot.

Stuff:
Positives
- JB is just the best player on the floor
- Ball movement, comfort in the transition game and cashing in on Assists
- Kenny Williams. KW showed on both ends why he is a big-time 2G. Told ya he can shoot.
- Help D already looking good, and JB is just causing havoc when he knows the guys behind him are gonna be there.
- Luke Maye: Again, the scuttlebutt around the team all summer was what you saw tonight --- Luke is developing into a versatile Hybrid-4 who can get on the glass and stretch the D as well.
- Our Big rotation is quite good, and nice to see Tony blocking shots (although he needs to keep his balance away from the basket
- 7th did some nice things in transition, but... (see below)

Negatives
- Terrible effort on the defensive boards. That needs to get better in a hurry
- JJ is gonna need to help out on the boards more, especially with Theo out, and I'm sure Roy wasn't happy with that. .
- I think you guys are getting a glimpse of why BRob will work in slowly once games start. Young fella needs to get to the dinner table.
- Don't get me wrong --- I have high hopes for him --- but 7th is a LOONNGG way from being a college PG. Again, he made some nice passes in transition but that very ugly stretch before the under-12 happened for a reason against a not-good team ---> no one was running the team. Roy then switched Nate back to the Point but even that was not optimal with two freshman Wings.

Overall, good to see the guys back on the floor. Roy got to mix and match, and will have plenty to get on em about this week and get cleaned up. One week, fellas... Let's do this!

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Thanks for the report!

A week sure does sound like a long time!

 

[imajericho]

Any box score?

 

[UNC Blue Hup]

Thank you !!

 

[soap - new and improved]

I hope this link doesn't violate forum rules. I mean No Harm!

Box Score

North Carolina 124 vs. UNC Pembroke 63
Friday, November 04, 2016


1 2 Total
North Carolina 61 63 124
UNC Pembroke 30 33 63

North Carolina FG-A 3FG FT-A REB PF PTS A TO BK ST MIN
44 Jackson, Justin 6-10 2-4 2-2 4 2 16 7 1 1 0 22
04 Hicks, Isaiah 5-6 0-0 6-6 5 3 16 0 4 1 0 16
03 Meeks, Kennedy 5-5 0-0 1-2 5 1 11 1 0 1 1 18
00 Britt, Nate 2-4 1-2 0-0 0 2 5 2 2 0 1 17
02 Berry II, Joel 5-6 3-3 7-8 1 2 20 6 1 0 4 22
05 Bradley, Tony 4-5 0-0 1-3 8 1 9 0 0 4 0 17
24 Williams, Kenny 4-6 2-4 0-0 3 1 10 1 0 1 0 16
32 Maye, Luke 7-8 1-2 0-0 8 1 15 5 2 0 2 19
14 Robinson, Brandon 2-5 0-1 2-5 2 2 6 3 2 1 1 15
21 Woods, Seventh 2-4 0-2 5-6 3 0 9 7 1 0 0 18
30 White, Stilman 2-4 1-1 0-0 1 0 5 1 0 0 2 7
11 Rush, Shea 0-2 0-1 0-0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 5
13 Coker, Kanler 0-1 0-0 0-0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 4
25 Rohlman, Aaron 0-1 0-0 2-2 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 4

Total 44-67 10-20 26-34 50 17 124 33 14 9 12 200

UNC Pembroke FG-A 3FG FT-A REB PF PTS A TO BK ST MIN
05 Grant, Nigel 4-14 2-4 1-1 7 3 11 1 3 0 1 25
21 Mounce, Carson 4-9 0-0 0-0 4 4 8 0 1 1 0 23
00 Watts, Brandon 4-19 1-7 0-0 5 1 9 2 2 0 2 30
22 Smith, Mike 1-4 1-3 1-2 2 5 4 2 0 0 0 15
03 Bradley, Alex 1-4 1-4 0-0 0 2 3 0 5 0 1 19
25 Evans, Andrew 3-12 2-9 2-3 3 2 10 1 3 0 2 22
01 Kinsey, Micah 4-11 0-0 0-1 6 3 8 1 4 1 2 18
12 Murray-Boyles, James 3-12 1-7 0-0 3 2 7 0 0 0 0 23
04 Pruitt, Akia 1-10 0-1 1-5 5 1 3 2 1 2 1 22
13McIlwain, Jeff 0-0 0-0 0-0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 3

Total 25-95 8-35 5-12 46 23 63 9 19 4 9 200

 

[soap - new and improved]

Luke Maye had a productive 19 minutes.

Luke Maye was all over the court against UNC Pembroke, scoring 15 points on 7-8 shooting to go along with 8 rebounds and 5 assists

 

[HeelFan58]

Just got home from the game(exhibition). Giving up 32 offensive boards was disappointing . They had one possession in the 1st half that they must of had 8.

I was hoping to see Hicks dominate more.

Maye looked really good.

Brandon Robinson looked better than I expected.

I was disappointed that Seventh never got a chance to take flight.

 

[soap - new and improved]

I thought Bradley looked very good for his first outing. Quite a productive 17 minutes with 8 boards, 9 points and 4 blocks.

I agree we looked awful on the defensive boards, and several veteran players seemed a bit lackadaisical at times - you better believe Roy will be kicking some serious butt in practice this week.

 

[coryfly]

Boards were the big negative. I thought the freshman were fine. Seventh actually looked better than I thought he would tbh. He has great vision. That stretch was kind of awful but I thought it was a weird mixture that we probably won't see much. Bradley is legit and our shooting should be ok. Have to rebound better though or we are going to be in trouble against better teams and in foul trouble as well. Berry is right there with any PG in the country. This team will have their struggles at times but should be fun to watch and able to compete with anyone.

 

[gary-7]

Any box score?

Here's the box score:
http://www.goheels.com//ViewContent...=C&SITE=UNC&DB_OEM_ID=3350&CONTENT_ID=1924063

 

[gary-7]

Boards were the big negative. I thought the freshman were fine. Seventh actually looked better than I thought he would tbh. He has great vision. That stretch was kind of awful but I thought it was a weird mixture that we probably won't see much. Bradley is legit and our shooting should be ok. Have to rebound better though or we are going to be in trouble against better teams and in foul trouble as well. Berry is right there with any PG in the country. This team will have their struggles at times but should be fun to watch and able to compete with anyone.

In reference to a previous thread, I'm gonna take that a step further:
JB is not only a great college PG, I dare say he will be the best player on the floor in pretty much every game he plays this season.

On that note, we're gonna need 32-35 minutes a game from the nasty dog.

 

[gobblercalls]

Hicks averaged a foul every 5.3 minutes against not very good competition. Not good. Except for that and the rebounding issue I like most everything else I see.

 

[shun1]

In reference to a previous thread, I'm gonna take that a step further:
JB is not only a great college PG, I dare say he will be the best player on the floor in pretty much every game he plays this season.

On that note, we're gonna need 32-35 minutes a game from the nasty dog.

Hi gary-7, thought I would take the time to let you know, that I always look forward to reading your posts.

!!!!!!!!!!!! GO TAR HEELS !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[UNCPJH81]

Hi gary-7, thought I would take the time to let you know, that I always look forward to reading your posts.

!!!!!!!!!!!! GO TAR HEELS !!!!!!!!!!!!

Same...

 

[Archer2]

Don't forget 7th has been working through a myriad of minor leg issues and Roy said he thought he was only about 70% but is starting to show flashes of the player he recruited. He had 7 assists which tells me a lot. He is going to be electric in the open court. His perimeter shot needs work but when he gets healthy, he's going to be very good.

Four players with at least 5 assists, despite no one playing more than 22 minutes, 33 assists on 44 made baskets. That's sharing the ball. We shot 50% from long distance which is good regardless of the competition. Loved to see Kenny stroke it.

The biggest negative was defensive rebounding, something that was a problem last year. I'm not quite sure why we aren't better on the defensive boards. Tony and Luke were the only two I saw rebounding aggressively at all times.

Speaking of which, Luke has improved tremendously. I realize the competition was sub par last night but the kid can ball. He has a very nice all around game and seems to have a nose for rebounds.

Roy has a lot of potential combinations to sort through. It will take tome but this team has a lot of potential and is going to be fun to watch.

 

[DSouthr]

Don't forget 7th has been working through a myriad of minor leg issues and Roy said he thought he was only about 70% but is starting to show flashes of the player he recruited. He had 7 assists which tells me a lot. He is going to be electric in the open court. His perimeter shot needs work but when he gets healthy, he's going to be very good.

Four players with at least 5 assists, despite no one playing more than 22 minutes, 33 assists on 44 made baskets. That's sharing the ball. We shot 50% from long distance which is good regardless of the competition. Loved to see Kenny stroke it.

The biggest negative was defensive rebounding, something that was a problem last year. I'm not quite sure why we aren't better on the defensive boards. Tony and Luke were the only two I saw rebounding aggressively at all times.

Speaking of which, Luke has improved tremendously. I realize the competition was sub par last night but the kid can ball. He has a very nice all around game and seems to have a nose for rebounds.

Roy has a lot of potential combinations to sort through. It will take tome but this team has a lot of potential and is going to be fun to watch.

Concerning the rebounding, was it long rebounds we struggled to get to or the more classic inside rebounding? I believe Roy mentioned in his PC Pembrook was sending everyone to the boards and that it helped us at times when they didn't drop anyone back, allowed us to get out and run on breaks. Reason I ask is question if we were doing a good job blocking out the shooter or blocking out with our guards in general?

On more inside the paint rebounds were they blocking out ball/you/man or turning to see the ball and giving the offensive re-bounder the angle to get around? Our bigs have to do an especial good job of blocking out for the bounds because other than Tony, not sure we have that guy that can soar up and out length for a rebound. Brice was able to get up very quick and with good elevation and was pretty long for a lot of his snags but other than Tony we are not overly long.

 

[Archer2]

Didn't see the game, Dave. Listened to Jones and Eric do the broadcast. So I couldn't answer your questions. I do agree that boxing out is imperative for our guys because we don't have a quick twitch jumper like Brice. So rebounding fundamentals are essential. Our coach used to stress that you're on defense until you gain possession of the ball, it doesn't stop when the ball goes up! Our guys need to learn that.

 

[gary-7]

Concerning the rebounding, was it long rebounds we struggled to get to or the more classic inside rebounding? I believe Roy mentioned in his PC Pembrook was sending everyone to the boards and that it helped us at times when they didn't drop anyone back, allowed us to get out and run on breaks. Reason I ask is question if we were doing a good job blocking out the shooter or blocking out with our guards in general?

On more inside the paint rebounds were they blocking out ball/you/man or turning to see the ball and giving the offensive re-bounder the angle to get around? Our bigs have to do an especial good job of blocking out for the bounds because other than Tony, not sure we have that guy that can soar up and out length for a rebound. Brice was able to get up very quick and with good elevation and was pretty long for a lot of his snags but other than Tony we are not overly long.

Blocking out was an issue for our Bigs --- Luke did the best job --- and our 3s didn't help as much as they should. We also missed Theo helping out in there.

 

[DSouthr]

Blocking out was an issue for our Bigs --- Luke did the best job --- and our 3s didn't help as much as they should. We also missed Theo helping out in there.

Yeah, saw that Justin had 4rebs in 22mins, I agree Theo was a sharper rebounding guy from either the 3 or the 4. Who played the wing when Justin was out?

 

[DSouthr]

...and this will be brief since it's an exhibition.
(for those who weren't around in previous seasons, I post these analyses to share some numbers I keep that may not show up in the box score, such as differentiating between Fast Break and Secondary Break points (performance by player combos, etc)

Again, being an exhibition I'm not gonna bother with many numbers this time, however:
Joel Berry - 20 pts, 6 Assists (3 more blown), 4 Steals (5 more caused TOs) 1 TO in abbreviated minutes and made almost everything he shot.

Stuff:
Positives
- JB is just the best player on the floor
- Ball movement, comfort in the transition game and cashing in on Assists
- Kenny Williams. KW showed on both ends why he is a big-time 2G. Told ya he can shoot.
- Help D already looking good, and JB is just causing havoc when he knows the guys behind him are gonna be there.
- Luke Maye: Again, the scuttlebutt around the team all summer was what you saw tonight --- Luke is developing into a versatile Hybrid-4 who can get on the glass and stretch the D as well.
- Our Big rotation is quite good, and nice to see Tony blocking shots (although he needs to keep his balance away from the basket
- 7th did some nice things in transition, but... (see below)

Negatives
- Terrible effort on the defensive boards. That needs to get better in a hurry
- JJ is gonna need to help out on the boards more, especially with Theo out, and I'm sure Roy wasn't happy with that. .
- I think you guys are getting a glimpse of why BRob will work in slowly once games start. Young fella needs to get to the dinner table.
- Don't get me wrong --- I have high hopes for him --- but 7th is a LOONNGG way from being a college PG. Again, he made some nice passes in transition but that very ugly stretch before the under-12 happened for a reason against a not-good team ---> no one was running the team. Roy then switched Nate back to the Point but even that was not optimal with two freshman Wings.

Overall, good to see the guys back on the floor. Roy got to mix and match, and will have plenty to get on em about this week and get cleaned up. One week, fellas... Let's do this!

OK, let me take up for 7th just a little bit, didn't see it but seems like there was a stretch where 7th was the PG and things didn't go as well as we would have liked? Now we can put away all things that happened in the summer, now we see what we get with the real thing. 7th has been trying to come back from both a knee injury and a badly sprained ankle. I believe Roy said we have so far had 24 practices but it has only been the last 2 or 3 that 7th has really been able to go anything close to full tilt, I think it was the media day last week that Roy shared 7th was only at about 70%?

We also need to keep in mind, PG at UNC is not easy thing even for very seasoned PGs. Kendal stated that he was not ready to start when he first got to us, Joel didn't come straight in and dominate, Bobby Frazier was slated to start over Ty until Bobby got hurt. And none of those guys were hobbled with injuries day 1, those fellas had been PGs their whole lives, 7th is learning to be one on the fly.

 

[gary-7]

Yeah, saw that Justin had 4rebs in 22mins, I agree Theo was a sharper rebounding guy from either the 3 or the 4. Who played the wing when Justin was out?

BRob, who's not strong enough to mix it up inside.

 

[viking131]

I thought 7th looked really good. 7 assist, 1 to.. not bad

 

[Butterbutt44]

I thought 7th looked really good. 7 assist, 1 to.. not bad

I agree. Im not sure what others were seeing that are criticizing him. Sure he had a couple of rocky possessions, but for the most part I was pretty impressed by his ball handling, passing, and defense. And when he gets into the open court, look out. Gets to the rim pretty easy.

 

[heels05champs]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I thought Seventh's handle looked shaky. Against full court pressure or good on the ball defenders, I think he's going to struggle until he gets it tightened up. However, I thought his vision was surprisingly good but Roy might have to give him the Jackie Manual treatment on perimeter jump shots.

 

[Butterbutt44]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I thought Seventh's handle looked shaky. Against full court pressure or good on the ball defenders, I think he's going to struggle until he gets it tightened up. However, I thought his vision was surprisingly good but Roy might have to give him the Jackie Manual treatment on perimeter jump shots.

Interesting how people can come to such different conclusions. Maybe I wasnt watching close enough but his handles actually surprised me with how good they were. I agree his jump shot looks like it needs work but Id hardly say its in the jackie manuel level of ugliness.(Or dexter for that matter who I read a lot of people compare seventh to)

 

[gary-7]

OK, let me take up for 7th just a little bit, didn't see it but seems like there was a stretch where 7th was the PG and things didn't go as well as we would have liked? Now we can put away all things that happened in the summer, now we see what we get with the real thing. 7th has been trying to come back from both a knee injury and a badly sprained ankle. I believe Roy said we have so far had 24 practices but it has only been the last 2 or 3 that 7th has really been able to go anything close to full tilt, I think it was the media day last week that Roy shared 7th was only at about 70%?

We also need to keep in mind, PG at UNC is not easy thing even for very seasoned PGs. Kendal stated that he was not ready to start when he first got to us, Joel didn't come straight in and dominate, Bobby Frazier was slated to start over Ty until Bobby got hurt. And none of those guys were hobbled with injuries day 1, those fellas had been PGs their whole lives, 7th is learning to be one on the fly.

Dave, I like 7th, but I've never bought him as a future UNC starting PG. My hope is he can be a Dexter Strickland-type combo who can give some minutes there as time goes by, but is primarily an off-ball scorer. 7th is really gifted athletically and he excels in helter-skelter transition but he's still lost with spacing and running an offense (and that ain't just UNC --- it was the same even in AAU). As long as JB and then Jalek are around, they should be our PGs.

As for this season, Theo going down affords an opportunity for 7th to get in that Wing rotation, and I can't speak for Roy, but I hope that's where he spends most of his court time. He's more advanced in physical maturity than BRob at this point and with his athleticism I think he can help us there.

 

[gary-7]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I thought Seventh's handle looked shaky. Against full court pressure or good on the ball defenders, I think he's going to struggle until he gets it tightened up. However, I thought his vision was surprisingly good but Roy might have to give him the Jackie Manual treatment on perimeter jump shots.

Good observation on the handle, and something I noticed as well. The pros he played pick-up with this summer gave him some feed-back on that in fact. It's a work in progress for sure. Same with the shooting. 7th can get on hot streaks, but college has a way of exposing flaws in the stroke.

However, as you said he has nice vision, especially in transition. Young fella is enormously talented and he's playing in a program in which he'll ideally have the luxury of time to learn.

 

[Ozheelfan]

Thanks for all the stats and info Gary.
One ya missed - pass leading to the pass. How often did JB set up a scoring op with a play that doesn't get recorded as an assist? He was pretty handy at that last season.

 

[gary-7]

Thanks for all the stats and info Gary.
One ya missed - pass leading to the pass. How often did JB set up a scoring op with a play that doesn't get recorded as an assist? He was pretty handy at that last season.

What I liked was we didn't blow many Assists as a team. It's also nice to see the little dog get to the line that often. That's a sign of more aggression and will be a nightmare for opponents since he's close to automatic there. I also loved how JB reacted when Pembroke's PG tried to get physical with him --- JB would just shoot him a shoulder shiver to the chest and go right by him.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I thought Seventh's handle looked shaky. Against full court pressure or good on the ball defenders, I think he's going to struggle until he gets it tightened up. However, I thought his vision was surprisingly good but Roy might have to give him the Jackie Manual treatment on perimeter jump shots.

Between the injuries and the comparisons with Dexter, I wasn't expecting 7th to look that good.

I liked Dex, but he was a TO machine as a freshman. To put it simply, 7th was not.

I'd say 7th is already ahead of where Dex was at the same point. And if he is only 70%, then look out when he gets healthy.

Sure, he made some mistakes, and let's not forget that this competition is probably closer to what he was used to in HS than what he'll be seeing in a couple of weeks (if not sooner). But he looked good and I thought his handle was decent.

 

[gary-7]

Between the injuries and the comparisons with Dexter, I wasn't expecting 7th to look that good.

I liked Dex, but he was a TO machine as a freshman. To put it simply, 7th was not.

I'd say 7th is already ahead of where Dex was at the same point. And if he is only 70%, then look out when he gets healthy.

Sure, he made some mistakes, and let's not forget that this competition is probably closer to what he was used to in HS than what he'll be seeing in a couple of weeks (if not sooner). But he looked good and I thought his handle was decent.

Well, in all fairness, 7th only got tabbed with 1 TO, but he actually was the culprit for 2 or 3 more that I noticed that were assigned to others via ill-advised passes and/or his loose handles in traffic. So there actually was a lot of similarity with freshman Dex there .

And in all seriousness, I've said before, 7th and Dex have a lot in common in their great athleticism but also adjustments to their college roles after being dominant scorers in HS. If 7th can develop like Dex did for us (hopefully minus the knee blowout) I'll be happy.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Well, in all fairness, 7th only got tabbed with 1 TO, but he actually was the culprit for 2 or 3 more that I noticed...

I agree. But still very promising.

 

[HeelFan58]

Concerning the rebounding, was it long rebounds we struggled to get to or the more classic inside rebounding? I believe Roy mentioned in his PC Pembrook was sending everyone to the boards and that it helped us at times when they didn't drop anyone back, allowed us to get out and run on breaks. Reason I ask is question if we were doing a good job blocking out the shooter or blocking out with our guards in general?

On more inside the paint rebounds were they blocking out ball/you/man or turning to see the ball and giving the offensive re-bounder the angle to get around? Our bigs have to do an especial good job of blocking out for the bounds because other than Tony, not sure we have that guy that can soar up and out length for a rebound. Brice was able to get up very quick and with good elevation and was pretty long for a lot of his snags but other than Tony we are not overly long.

inside rebounding. In one sequence in the 1st half I know they got around 8 and don't think they scored. 8 is inexcusable. Kennedy's hands weren't as good as usual.

 

[gary-7]

inside rebounding. In one sequence in the 1st half I know they got around 8 and don't think they scored. 8 is inexcusable. Kennedy's hands weren't as good as usual.

Phew. That was a badddd sequence for sure. Our guys weren't blocking out and weren't clearing out at all. Did somewhat better in the second half (after what I'm sure was a ROY-al butt-chewing). That's one thing I can say about Luke, he'll make some space under there.

 

[Butterbutt44]

meeks still appears to be very lazy when trying to grab the ball when its in his hands/vicinity. If it hasnt been cleaned up by now I am kind of doubting it will be.

 

[DSouthr]

Dave, I like 7th, but I've never bought him as a future UNC starting PG. My hope is he can be a Dexter Strickland-type combo who can give some minutes there as time goes by, but is primarily an off-ball scorer. 7th is really gifted athletically and he excels in helter-skelter transition but he's still lost with spacing and running an offense (and that ain't just UNC --- it was the same even in AAU). As long as JB and then Jalek are around, they should be our PGs.

As for this season, Theo going down affords an opportunity for 7th to get in that Wing rotation, and I can't speak for Roy, but I hope that's where he spends most of his court time. He's more advanced in physical maturity than BRob at this point and with his athleticism I think he can help us there.

Yeah, saw where you shared that it was BRob that backed up Justin, yeah, the kid is gonna be fun but he just is not strong enough right now. I would like to see what Luke could do backing up Justin and I think 7th could help there as well.

 

[DSouthr]

inside rebounding. In one sequence in the 1st half I know they got around 8 and don't think they scored. 8 is inexcusable. Kennedy's hands weren't as good as usual.

If that is the case then those big fellas are going to get to run some this weekend because that is poor blocking out and poor want to get the rebound. Roy feels a lil runnin is inspirational and guessin they will have the chance to get really inspired! LOL

 

[Archer2]

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article112700163.html

Love that 11th commandment Roy mentions in the interview. Now we have to get the players to buy into it.

 

[gary-7]

Yeah, saw where you shared that it was BRob that backed up Justin, yeah, the kid is gonna be fun but he just is not strong enough right now. I would like to see what Luke could do backing up Justin and I think 7th could help there as well.

I like 7th getting Wing minutes because 1. PG ain't his bag, and 2. his athleticism and ability to finish at the rim makes up for his size. Luke could pull it off in stretches but could get stuck in some awkward defensive matchups.

Speaking of all that, watching live brought home the point that we're really gonna miss Theo. This bunch would've come out as a juggernaut without that injury. Dammit.

 

[heels05champs]

Speaking of all that, watching live brought home the point that we're really gonna miss Theo. This bunch would've come out as a juggernaut without that injury. Dammit.

Agree, I'm one of the biggest Theo supporters there is. He just brings so much to the team. He helps on the boards, he is the key cog in the small lineup and he is possibly the best passer on the team. The offense doesn't stall as much with him and Berry on the court. I'm so mad that he broke his foot, we were poised to be REALLY good early season IMO.