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...and I'm sure for our old-school State-haters like @mikeirbyusa this one had to be particularly sweet :D. I can tell ya that for a hoops-junkie like me it was nirvana, no matter whom it was against.

Stats
- Easy place to start: We beat em by 51. FIFTY-ONE. #Biscuits

- We played Carolina Basketball formula today. Defense fueling transition game = points. 20 Fast Break and 21 Secondary Break Pts.

- Believe it or not, I'm gonna throw out some bad (or at least not-so-good) numbers: 68% FTs, 17 Blown Assists and 10 Blown Secondary Breaks. So...how'd we mitigate those? Effort on loose balls and on the boards. We had 50 Rebounds ... FIFTY... including 17 Offensive against a team with some hosses up front.

- Speaking of rebounding we spread them around. 8 a piece for Luke and Tony, 5 each for KM and JB and Theo.

- Good (not unconsious) FG shooting - 49.9%, Very good 3-pt shooting 12/27 (and we were heat-checking a few times).

- We held a team that scored 104 in an ACC game last week to 56...and 36.5% FGs and 3/11 from 3, plus, bless their hearts, they were brick-layers from the line. The number that really stands out is the dearth of 3-pt attempts. We were solid up in their grilles. #DEFENSE

- Shout-outs to the bench. Contributions everywhere. Luke was excellent throughout. Tony was sorta invisible in the first half (I was afraid Anya ate him :eek:) but had a big, active second half and finished with 11 pts. Neat, solid performance by Nate, and 7th had IMO his best game with a solid 6 pts and 4 Dimes, including some excellent passes in the Break.

- Our firepower was on full display with JJ and JB. Buckets was heat-checking again - 21 pts, 6/11 3s, and Berry just scored pretty much whenever he felt like it, and in a Berry-like fashion - 19 pts on only 10 shots, Dog had a full line with 5 Rebounds, 5 Assists (7 Blown) and 2 Steals in a day we only needed him for 23 minutes.

- AND.... at the 13:47 mark of the first half Theo Pinson made his long-awaited return, and wasted no time being Theo. Yeah, I wanted him to see the ball go in the basket ---- he was jacked up for sure and was shooting too hard--- but he still stuffed the sheet with "Theo" things - 5 Rebounds, 5 Assists and 4 Steals in 13 impactful minutes. Welcome back! :cool:

stuff
- Starts right here, folks: DEFENSE. That was the best team defensive game I can remember for a long, long time. I know not everyone gets off on all those things but our Help-D was mostly flawless. We were funneling, communicating, beating them to spots, getting in passing lanes, stepping in gaps and sliding back-side. For this ol' coach that was basketball pornography... and while Ol' Roy prolly wouldn't use that term, I'm betting he was feelin' it too. Hell, we were so damned good in base 22, he didn't have to play anything else all day!

- Speaking of which, Kennedy had himself a stellar outing, even going coast-to-coast (albeit at cruise speed) on a steal-and-score. Hicks moved his feet as well as I've seen him and Kenny was a dog to play against. Kennedy and Hicks did what they had to do and were just plain better on both ends than the wuffie front line.

- and speaking of dogs ----- JB just flat did a number on Dennis Smith. Dog was up in his sh** from the tip and wasn't having any of DSJ's vast repertoire of fakes and jukes. Smith's stat line ended up not looking that bad but he got almost nothing on Berry, and his frustration showed early with stupid fouls. Let's be clear, Dennis is a monster talent --- reminds me of Baron Davis --- and will be OAD, but he came up against the best all-around PG in college basketball today. And I'll add one other thing: The couple of times I've watched State this season, their offense is very dependent on DS, and Berry took him out of rhythm early and we were just too good defensively to let them beat us anywhere else.

- I hafta say this --- Anya. Yikes! That kid came in to college chunky (but athletic), but now he's just obese. He fouled a couple of our guys with his belly rolls. His sole offensive moves these days are leaning on someone til they go out of bounds then laying it in. My point is, how in the hell could State's "conditioning' program allow that to happen??? We've seen Kennedy Meeks bust his ass through injuries to remake his body. Well, meanwhile Anya must've stolen all the food Kennedy wasn't allowed to eat. I hope y'all appreciate Jonas and our program, AND appreciate how hard a naturally stout kid has to work. Kudos to Kennedy.

- Finally. There was a long back-and-forth on officiating last week, so I want to give credit where it's due. My UGA buddy had to endure Karl Hess in Athens Saturday, in a game in which an altercation (y'all may have seen) broke out (imagine that :rolleyes:). By contrast, early in this one today we both noticed how these guys had taken control of the game early --- called it tight but not ticky-tack, and most importantly blew the whistle on early illegal body-checks. Thus, actual basketball was played.
So a big shout-out to Ron Groover, Keith Kimble, Matt Potter. Honestly I'd only heard of two of them but damned if they didn't call a great game. I noticed maybe 3 blown calls (which is good), and 2 of them favored us... but none affected the flow of the game. In other words, all 3 of those could have gone against us or vice versa. It wouldn't have mattered --- not because we blew State out, but because the game was called properly in general, so a close game would have been every bit as fair. And that's the point. How refreshing is it to not see players getting knocked into next week without FTs? Props to the zebras for enabling pretty basketball.

Folks, we got to see Carolina Basketball at its finest today. No team in the country can play with us if we do that. #Clinic
 
additional notes:

- I was interested to see how the rotation would change with Theo back. As I suspected, BRob had his minutes affected the most. To his credit he made the most of them, scoring 6 pts. in 6 minutes. Also of note, I'll hafta rewatch but Theo came in for JJ and I believe played exclusively at the 3 today and BRob did short stints at the 2 in both halves. The times Theo and Brandon were in together were too brief to notice the respective roles. The tell will be if/when Theo gets on the floor with Jackson (in a traditional lineup) to see how much 2 he'll play as he works back in.

- I also expected 7th to have his minutes affected, but ironically the character of this game afforded him more minutes (15). The big lead enabled Roy to rest JB and give 7th extended run without too much pressure. Also note that the pace of this game made life much more comfortable for Mr. Woods. Kid excels in transition. It's the half-court running-the-team situations that challenge him most playing Point. Just reinforces my notion that his best future for us is probably on the wing, and he could be a very good one before it's over with.
 
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I loved Roy's post game presser. Talking about Theo's 5assist/5rebound/4 steal line ..he said he told him but yea you were 0/3 shooting. These guys have a great relationship and it's so apparent what Theo brings to this team. Can't wait to see us fully healthy.
 
Agreed, best reffing we have had in ages in the ACC, and IT MATTERS. Still, as well as they did, Anya, Yurtseven and Abu all should have fouled out halfway thru the second half. Considerable percentage of woofie boards came from shoving UNC player up under the basket. Good many Shaq Bulldoze right thru the defender plays on offense as well. Those are both fouls under the rules.

Still, overall Great Job by the refs as a whole.
 
Agreed, best reffing we have had in ages in the ACC, and IT MATTERS. Still, as well as they did, Anya, Yurtseven and Abu all should have fouled out halfway thru the second half. Considerable percentage of woofie boards came from shoving UNC player up under the basket. Good many Shaq Bulldoze right thru the defender plays on offense as well. Those are both fouls under the rules.

Still, overall Great Job by the refs as a whole.
It really was, Soap, and it was noticeable right away. They're not gonna get everything right but I can remember going to referee/rules clinics and the old mantra was if you blow the whistle early you won't have to blow it as much late. In other words, set a good tone early on. You don't have to invent calls or whistle a Guard for touching an arm on the perimeter, but the jersey-grabs, hip-checks, undercuts, kidney-shots, elbow-hooks --- you know the language I'm talkin' --- the "physical" stuff that leads to retaliation just needs to be nipped in the bud early so it won't get out of hand and supersede the actual game. And ain't it amazing how much prettier the game becomes as a result?

The underlying standard that refs are supposed to go by is "gaining an unfair advantage". In other words, contact per se isn't always a foul --- basketball is a contact sport --- it's when that contact creates an advantage or impedes fair movement. The Carolina system is a beautiful thing predicated on spacing, motion and passing, and for years many opposing coaches have taken shortcuts to slow that down --- likely because what you saw today is what happens when they can't. Those shortcuts got reined in pretty fast by this crew. Kudos.
 
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Nc st should be ashamed of themselves for letting Anya let himself go like that. I imagine his summer conditioning program consisted of buffet trips to sonnys. I feel bad for him he clearly had potential. Makes Meeks looks svelte.
 
My two favorite teams are Carolina and whoever's playing State.

It's a goddang good day. I'm sure Gottfried is crying into the shoulder of whatever coed he scooped up from the Raleigh bars tonight.

It's not quite complete payback for the football game, but it sure damn does help.

Rah rah Carolina-lina
Ra rah Carolina-lina
Rah rah Carolina-lina
GO TO HELL STATE
 
I saw Shea Rush got some early minutes according ti ESPN. If so, how did he look? He always looks so good for the mop up unit. Hoping he cracks into the rotation for a minute here and there.
 
Now that was fun, especially considering it was NC State we took to the wood shed! To put things in proper context, I don't feel like we played our A game, I would put it around our B+ to A-, we have another level we can step to. But it was maybe our most complete game all around because our defense was as sharp as our offense and maybe a touch better. There is a lot of talent on that NC State team but it is disjointed, it depends way to much on Smith and as talented as that kid is he got taught a lesson about the value of experience yesterday. Putting him back in that first half with 2 fouls was not smart, you just do not risk your best player picking up his 3rd foul in that first half, don't care what the score was.

Welcome back Theo, 5pts, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals! That is a heck of a stat line for a kid that has been out this whole season so far and he did that in 13mins off the bench playing mostly at the 3 backing JJ up! Love the crowd reaction when he checked in, you could just see how locked in he was just to get back out there and play.

UN-sung heros, guys that maybe didn't stuff the stat sheet but payed really well, Meeks, kenny, Luke, Hicks. Timely scoring but the defense these kids played, the rotations, the help side recover, man that was some sweet ball those kids played. They pressured the wuffies and forced them to initiate their offense to far out front, took away driving lanes, hawked passing lanes for steals, clearly got in to the wuffies heads. Yverson may have scored 100 in a high school game but he should now realize, this ain't high school in Europe! LOL

Anyja, I have always felt that kid had a ton of raw talent and still do but what an odd thing to see from him as a senior? Kid lost a lot of weight going in to last season, seemed to be turning the corner in becoming a guy you had to really worry about. But this off season, going in to his senior season, he ballooned his weight back up and he is back to not being able to move. Color me confused as to how that was allowed, it may cost him any chance at the NBA. He still has not developed any refined skill moves to score, he seems to have wasted a heck of an opportunity, he should by now be a better player than Meeks but he isn't, one put in the dedication and the wuffie clearly didn't, blame the kid yes, put some of that on his coaching or lack there of as well.

Saw an interview last week about how the wuffies were looking to be the bad boys of the college game, looking to be the old Detroit Pistons! Well they played more like lady Boys than Bad Boys. It has to be getting in to Got-fried's head by now, what do I have to do to beat Roy, maybe not trying to be the Pistons and actually coach your team would help! LOL
 
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...and I'm sure for our old-school State-haters like @mikeirbyusa this one had to be particularly sweet :D. I can tell ya that for a hoops-junkie like me it was nirvana, no matter whom it was against.

Stats
- Easy place to start: We beat em by 51. FIFTY-ONE. #Biscuits

- We played Carolina Basketball formula today. Defense fueling transition game = points. 20 Fast Break and 21 Secondary Break Pts.

- Believe it or not, I'm gonna throw out some bad (or at least not-so-good) numbers: 68% FTs, 17 Blown Assists and 10 Blown Secondary Breaks. So...how'd we mitigate those? Effort on loose balls and on the boards. We had 50 Rebounds ... FIFTY... including 17 Offensive against a team with some hosses up front.

- Speaking of rebounding we spread them around. 8 a piece for Luke and Tony, 5 each for KM and JB and Theo.

- Good (not unconsious) FG shooting - 49.9%, Very good 3-pt shooting 12/27 (and we were heat-checking a few times).

- We held a team that scored 104 in an ACC game last week to 56...and 36.5% FGs and 3/11 from 3, plus, bless their hearts, they were brick-layers from the line. The number that really stands out is the dearth of 3-pt attempts. We were solid up in their grilles. #DEFENSE

- Shout-outs to the bench. Contributions everywhere. Luke was excellent throughout. Tony was sorta invisible in the first half (I was afraid Anya ate him :eek:) but had a big, active second half and finished with 11 pts. Neat, solid performance by Nate, and 7th had IMO his best game with a solid 6 pts and 4 Dimes, including some excellent passes in the Break.

- Our firepower was on full display with JJ and JB. Buckets was heat-checking again - 21 pts, 6/11 3s, and Berry just scored pretty much whenever he felt like it, and in a Berry-like fashion - 19 pts on only 10 shots, Dog had a full line with 5 Rebounds, 5 Assists (7 Blown) and 2 Steals in a day we only needed him for 23 minutes.

- AND.... at the 13:47 mark of the first half Theo Pinson made his long-awaited return, and wasted no time being Theo. Yeah, I wanted him to see the ball go in the basket ---- he was jacked up for sure and was shooting too hard--- but he still stuffed the sheet with "Theo" things - 5 Rebounds, 5 Assists and 4 Steals in 13 impactful minutes. Welcome back! :cool:

stuff
- Starts right here, folks: DEFENSE. That was the best team defensive game I can remember for a long, long time. I know not everyone gets off on all those things but our Help-D was mostly flawless. We were funneling, communicating, beating them to spots, getting in passing lanes, stepping in gaps and sliding back-side. For this ol' coach that was basketball pornography... and while Ol' Roy prolly wouldn't use that term, I'm betting he was feelin' it too. Hell, we were so damned good in base 22, he didn't have to play anything else all day!

- Speaking of which, Kennedy had himself a stellar outing, even going coast-to-coast (albeit at cruise speed) on a steal-and-score. Hicks moved his feet as well as I've seen him and Kenny was a dog to play against. Kennedy and Hicks did what they had to do and were just plain better on both ends than the wuffie front line.

- and speaking of dogs ----- JB just flat did a number on Dennis Smith. Dog was up in his sh** from the tip and wasn't having any of DSJ's vast repertoire of fakes and jukes. Smith's stat line ended up not looking that bad but he got almost nothing on Berry, and his frustration showed early with stupid fouls. Let's be clear, Dennis is a monster talent --- reminds me of Baron Davis --- and will be OAD, but he came up against the best all-around PG in college basketball today. And I'll add one other thing: The couple of times I've watched State this season, their offense is very dependent on DS, and Berry took him out of rhythm early and we were just too good defensively to let them beat us anywhere else.

- I hafta say this --- Anya. Yikes! That kid came in to college chunky (but athletic), but now he's just obese. He fouled a couple of our guys with his belly rolls. His sole offensive moves these days are leaning on someone til they go out of bounds then laying it in. My point is, how in the hell could State's "conditioning' program allow that to happen??? We've seen Kennedy Meeks bust his ass through injuries to remake his body. Well, meanwhile Anya must've stolen all the food Kennedy wasn't allowed to eat. I hope y'all appreciate Jonas and our program, AND appreciate how hard a naturally stout kid has to work. Kudos to Kennedy.

- Finally. There was a long back-and-forth on officiating last week, so I want to give credit where it's due. My UGA buddy had to endure Karl Hess in Athens Saturday, in a game in which an altercation (y'all may have seen) broke out (imagine that :rolleyes:). By contrast, early in this one today we both noticed how these guys had taken control of the game early --- called it tight but not ticky-tack, and most importantly blew the whistle on early illegal body-checks. Thus, actual basketball was played.
So a big shout-out to Ron Groover, Keith Kimble, Matt Potter. Honestly I'd only heard of two of them but damned if they didn't call a great game. I noticed maybe 3 blown calls (which is good), and 2 of them favored us... but none affected the flow of the game. In other words, all 3 of those could have gone against us or vice versa. It wouldn't have mattered --- not because we blew State out, but because the game was called properly in general, so a close game would have been every bit as fair. And that's the point. How refreshing is it to not see players getting knocked into next week without FTs? Props to the zebras for enabling pretty basketball.

Folks, we got to see Carolina Basketball at its finest today. No team in the country can play with us if we do that. #Clinic

Really solid report!

My point on the refs discussion is seen today on the wuffies boards, have not visited it but gurantee ya they are putting a lot of blame on the refs this morning. This game was not about what the refs did, as you stated, maybe a couple of questionable calls that could have gone either way this game was not about the refs at all. I just do not want us to become wuffie like in screaming about the refs in games we lose. That is all I am trying to say, if all one can talk about is the refs then we see that as the cry of a loser, even if at times it is justified. I just don't want to see us become that, the fan base that never excepts a loss, that always looks to blame something other than the players and the coaches.

I am not getting on you gary, it is just a theme that I was/am discussing that I am not comfortable with and do not want this fan base painted by.
 
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I loved Roy's post game presser. Talking about Theo's 5assist/5rebound/4 steal line ..he said he told him but yea you were 0/3 shooting. These guys have a great relationship and it's so apparent what Theo brings to this team. Can't wait to see us fully healthy.

One long jumper Theo put up, didn't look great, looked a lot like last season, just want to point that out.
 
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Crap, said all that and forgot to shout out to my guy 7th Woods!!! Man, I am so happy for 7th having finally a solid game! Kid really needed that for his confidence, he had run in to that freshman wall and just couldn't seem to find a way past that, hopefully this game is indication he may finally be coming around. The kid has amazing talent, at some point it is going to come together for him, I really hope yesterday was the beginning of that!
 
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Fine defensive effort by the Heels yesterday. We totally dismantled a talented NVSU team that had just dismantled a good VT squad. The ACC is going to be brutal this year.

Glad you added the post about 7th, Dave. He had his best game to date, didn't force things as much and had some beautiful bounce passes for dimes. Once he harnesses that talent, watch out.
 
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Really solid report!

My point on the refs discussion is seen today on the wuffies boards, have not visited it but gurantee ya they are putting a lot of blame on the refs this morning. This game was not about what the refs did, as you stated, maybe a couple of questionable calls that could have gone either way this game was not about the refs at all. I just do not want us to become wuffie like in screaming about the refs in games we lose. That is all I am trying to say, if all one can talk about is the refs then we see that as the cry of a loser, even if at times it is justified. I just don't want to see us become that, the fan base that never excepts a loss, that always looks to blame something other than the players and the coaches.

I am not getting on you gary, it is just a theme that I was/am discussing that I am not comfortable with and do not want this fan base painted by.
Well D, my point ---and it is correct --- is that officiating is a key component in a given game --- as much a component as shooting, passing or defending unfortunately. Ideally it should be more or less neutral, but when it is not, that is an issue. Chances are I will mention something about the refs most games simply because it describes the environment the guys are playing in (or through) that particular day.

Not once this season have I or anyone here blamed the zebras for a loss. That being said, had the Clemson game come out the wrong way, yes, they (in particular Nestor) would have been the difference and I would've said so. I'm going to call it straight, because when it is an issue I frankly don't give a damn what any other fan base thinks. And trust me I was more than happy to give kudos to the trio from Sunday. Hope we see more of those guys and way less of the Michael Stephens and Tim Nestors of the world.
 
Finally put the defense and offensive efforts together. We had the offense vs UK but defense was lacking. Since UK we haven't looked in sync. This NC State team averages 84 points per game and we held them almost 30 points below their average while scoring 107. 107!!!! In an ACC game! :)
 
Totally impressed by all our guys in this game! I have no complaints at all. If we can put this kind of effort on the court for the rest of the season, this will be a special year! TP will be slowly worked into the rotation and will just make us deeper and stronger. I love how easily he seemed to mesh already and put the chemistry question to bed immediately.
 
I saw Shea Rush got some early minutes according ti ESPN. If so, how did he look? He always looks so good for the mop up unit. Hoping he cracks into the rotation for a minute here and there.

He only had mop up minutes actually. We just removed the starters quickly enough (with about 8 minutes to go IIRC) that he ended up playing for a bit. And to be fair, while he does look better than the other walk-ons he isn't ready to play in the rotation right now.

The other freshman though, wow!! Really excellent game. I hope B-Rob's minutes aren't completely taken away by Theo (even though Theo is a better player), because he is looking very promising. Just need to lock him in the buffet line during the offseason, maybe get on the NC State conditioning program.
 
Really? Who knew? Thanks for pointing that out. That's great insight right there.

Just as "great" insight as the geniuses pointing out his shot looks bad in his first game back after not playing for 9 months. Pinsons shot never has looked great but to just jump on that after he takes two fricken shots after not playing for 9 months is retarded.
 
The other freshman though, wow!! Really excellent game. I hope B-Rob's minutes aren't completely taken away by Theo (even though Theo is a better player), because he is looking very promising. Just need to lock him in the buffet line during the offseason, maybe get on the NC State conditioning program.
Yep. Before Theo's injury BRob only figured to get spot minutes this season, so the silver lining for him was getting such valuable experience in Theo's absence. If he can give us 4-6 minutes like he did Sunday that is a bonus --- could help us win a game or two as Kenny did last year, and of course bodes very well for he future.
 
I absolutely love that we slaughtered the woofies. That said, their terrible shooting played a big part in the 51 point beat down. They missed a lot of shots badly, and not all were because of great defense. Yesterday was a perfect storm for us.... We shot well, gave great effort and executed well, they did not, and the refs were on point. I wish storms like that came along a LOT more often!
 
He only had mop up minutes actually. We just removed the starters quickly enough (with about 8 minutes to go IIRC) that he ended up playing for a bit. And to be fair, while he does look better than the other walk-ons he isn't ready to play in the rotation right now.

The other freshman though, wow!! Really excellent game. I hope B-Rob's minutes aren't completely taken away by Theo (even though Theo is a better player), because he is looking very promising. Just need to lock him in the buffet line during the offseason, maybe get on the NC State conditioning program.
Oh ESPN was wrong then. In the play by play box score they had shea rush playing in the first half around the 5-10 minute mark.
 
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